##mtgox-talk 2014-04-21 UTC+7

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The following chatlog happened on ##mtgox-talk IRC channel on April 21st 2014 UTC+7
I Aditya Suseno (a.k.a SuSEno) PGP signed the following chatlog

(02:37:09 AM) Aquent: you bet on liquidation, why?
(02:37:41 AM) anarchystar: cause i dont see any guy with money investing in a worthless piece of crap
(02:37:43 AM) anarchystar: nuff said
(02:41:17 AM) anarchystar: its not about me gaining more.. its just being realistic.. there is nothing for me to gain when this thing goes bankrupt
(02:41:28 AM) anarchystar: except hopefully a quick payout for everyone
(02:41:40 AM) Aquent: you personally? or everyone
(02:41:51 AM) anarchystar: everyone is equal in this thing
(02:43:48 AM) anarchystar: reb0rn: the biggest risk was mtgox reopening with insecure code and/or karpeles at the head again.. bitcoin would be considered a joke
(02:44:18 AM) anarchystar: also, noone wants mtgox to be associated with their exchange.. it only has 1 thing going for it: bad rep
(02:45:11 AM) anarchystar: a rehab plan has to be approved, will take a year, and if it doesnt get approved we just lost a year cause then we need anotehr 1.5 years to liquidate
(02:45:38 AM) anarchystar: so id rather see my money and get people to do fresh initiatives where they give a % of profits to gox creditors for free
(02:45:47 AM) reb0rn: was -> fast
(02:46:09 AM) anarchystar: reb0rn: not really, creditors have to approve the plan, i made the timeline from my jap law firm public
(02:46:11 AM) anarchystar: its a year
(02:48:04 AM) anarchystar: get some guy to come invest $100 million and give 90% of shares to gox creditors.. not gonna happen
(02:48:09 AM) anarchystar: rehab is an illusion
(02:48:23 AM) reb0rn: I don`t agree
(02:48:32 AM) reb0rn: it is illusion if BTC has no future
(02:48:48 AM) anarchystar: make your case then reb0rn, how will this work out?
(02:49:00 AM) anarchystar: you cant put btc and mtgox on the same level.. thats silly
(02:49:07 AM) reb0rn: with investor or with liqudation...
(02:49:52 AM) reb0rn: soon we gona see if there is some real interest in BTC or not
(02:50:05 AM) Aquent: anarchystar you seem to completley ignore the fact that 650k btc has dissapeared
(02:50:12 AM) Aquent: how would liquidation help with that?
(02:50:20 AM) anarchystar: Aquent: it wont, and neither will rehab
(02:50:43 AM) Aquent: 50% profit and the chance of shares of any of the coins found does help
(02:50:47 AM) anarchystar: you have to consider it lost until police finds out
(02:50:56 AM) Aquent: rather than washing your hends as the liquidator may do and say thats that
(02:51:18 AM) anarchystar: Aquent: did you do the calculations how long it will take to make 650k btc back, assuming it stays $500?
(02:51:37 AM) anarchystar: and assuming these new owners would give 50%
(02:51:36 AM) Aquent: any sum above 0 is better than 0
(02:51:52 AM) Aquent: theres no assumption
(02:51:21 AM) kcinolo: seriously?
(02:51:27 AM) kcinolo: that's all you have to say to that?
(02:51:55 AM) kcinolo: oops, it's all gone, forget an audit we'll just let police do the rest
(02:52:23 AM) anarchystar: kcinolo: push for an audit, ive been pushing for external help to come in for over a month
(02:52:28 AM) anarchystar: external experts
(02:52:37 AM) reb0rn: if no one wants, thet thats it, BTC is dead
(02:52:40 AM) reb0rn: in 5y
(02:52:42 AM) reb0rn: or so
(02:52:44 AM) Aquent: yet they havent, why?
(02:52:48 AM) anarchystar: the admin knows help is on standby, he just has to accept it
(02:52:54 AM) anarchystar: i dont know, call him and ask
(02:52:58 AM) anarchystar: lol
(02:53:09 AM) anarchystar: the answer is 'maybe later'
(02:53:21 AM) Aquent: because we divided
(02:53:40 AM) anarchystar: not really, but some random lawyer got control of gox
(02:54:06 AM) anarchystar: i dont think japan is as competent as the fbi tbh
(02:54:11 AM) anarchystar: dont really know
(02:54:12 AM) Aquent: liquidation might let mk get away with fraud
(02:54:16 AM) Aquent: would you want that?
(02:54:33 AM) anarchystar: Aquent: bullshit.. liquidation vs rehab wont have any effect on what mark gets away with
(02:54:49 AM) Aquent: I mean gag order makes no sense
(02:54:49 AM) anarchystar: its both exactly the same in that regard
(02:55:03 AM) anarchystar: mark talks about gag order
(02:55:09 AM) Aquent: he told ne0futur US does not want us to disclouse so he breached gag order if there is one
(02:55:15 AM) anarchystar: i call it bullshit to hide excuses under
(02:55:26 AM) Aquent: if there is no gag order then wtf is going on
(02:55:40 AM) anarchystar: hes been gagged for years.. thats not the reason why that idiot lost 850k btc :)
(02:55:52 AM) Aquent: whats the reason then
(02:55:59 AM) anarchystar: the reason is insecure code and him being a moron not willing to fix it
(02:56:09 AM) anarchystar: gotta go bbl
(02:56:11 AM) Aquent: code cant steal paper wallets
(02:56:30 AM) anarchystar: you think he had paper wallets?
(02:56:33 AM) anarchystar: afk

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