KyanCatMeow: Hey man
KyanCatMeow: Can I have this opinion on this
KyanCatMeow: So I was clearing out the bank from bags
KyanCatMeow: And Huntah came up running behind the bank after I was clearing it out with a navid
KyanCatMeow: And I then put him in my car
KyanCatMeow: And he was stating that I was in the wrong
Mongoose: did u dec on him?
Mongoose: did he dec on you?
KyanCatMeow: He was rushing with a navid when I was leaving
KyanCatMeow: What else am I ment to do
Mongoose: declare or wait for his declaration
KyanCatMeow: And I said to him if he had a problem with it take me to helpdesk
KyanCatMeow: And he just banned me
Mongoose: really?
KyanCatMeow: Yeah
Mongoose: dude he is the owner of the server
Mongoose: how did u think that was going to go down
KyanCatMeow: So the rules apply to everyone but him?
Mongoose: did you declare on him or him declare on you?
KyanCatMeow: He was rushing with a navid in a red zone after I finished clearing the bank
KyanCatMeow: And the first thing he said to me was "Enjoy your whitelist"
KyanCatMeow: Didn't even try asking anything
Mongoose: red zone is civ v civ
KyanCatMeow: Went for the threat
Mongoose: thats why cops need to dec when they raid an area
KyanCatMeow: Then when I said if he had a problem with it to take me to helpdesk
Mongoose: hence the lights and sirens
KyanCatMeow: Thats not 100% of the problem
KyanCatMeow: He didn't even bother dealing with it
KyanCatMeow: He just banned me
KyanCatMeow: I had my reason of tasing him
KyanCatMeow: And if he had taken me to helpdesk
Mongoose: were you declared
Mongoose: that is the catalyst here
Mongoose: if you were not properly declared then you did not have a reason to tase and restrain him
KyanCatMeow: And he could of just said that
KyanCatMeow: And I would of let him go
KyanCatMeow: But no
KyanCatMeow: He said "Enjoy your whitelist"
Mongoose: do you have video of it?
KyanCatMeow: Yeah
Mongoose: can you upload it please
Mongoose: i need the entire interaction
KyanCatMeow: I have it set for 1 min shadowplayu
KyanCatMeow: So I have me putting him in a car
KyanCatMeow: Him not even bothering to explain anything
KyanCatMeow: Went straight to the threat
KyanCatMeow: Then banned me when I said use helpdesk because thats what it's there for
KyanCatMeow: That's all I care about at this point in time
KyanCatMeow: What was his reasoning in not using the helpdesk
KyanCatMeow: Thats what it's there for
KyanCatMeow: You wouldn't see someone like yourself banning someone for asking the issue to go to helpdesk
KyanCatMeow: It's just obsurd
Mongoose: did he not try to explain to you that you did not have reasoning to stun him at all
KyanCatMeow: I didn't know that at the time
KyanCatMeow: I saw him rushing with a navid in a red zone
KyanCatMeow: After I finished clearing out the bank
KyanCatMeow: So thats why I asked him to take it to helpdesk
KyanCatMeow: If I just went in there and mowed down everyone there
KyanCatMeow: Yeah
KyanCatMeow: Sure ban me
KyanCatMeow: But I don't believe it was just in that instance
KyanCatMeow: It's like making a judgement in court without hearing the other hearing of the other person
Mongoose: ok so did he try to explain that you were breaking the rules in that instance and you informed him to take you to help desk
KyanCatMeow: He didn't metion shit about rules from what I heard
KyanCatMeow: He just said you should't taze me you don't know who I am
KyanCatMeow: And I said if you have a problem take it to helpdesk
KyanCatMeow: And he just banned me
KyanCatMeow: I wasn't even able to explain it
KyanCatMeow: And since when was asking someone to take something to helpdesk a bannable offence?
Mongoose: it isnt, but when you know that it is the owner of the server and you are being told that you shouldnt have done what you just did saying take it to helpdesk is kinda a bit of a smart ass response
KyanCatMeow: How
KyanCatMeow: It's like saying to someone lets talk about this in a proper manner
KyanCatMeow: And being called a smartass
KyanCatMeow: It just doesn't go
KyanCatMeow: And are you basically saying because he is the owner just what he says goes?
KyanCatMeow: Why would you just obey everything someone says
KyanCatMeow: You should be able to have your own say in the matter
Mongoose: so i've been told that you were already leaving the bank and you returned when he entered
KyanCatMeow: Leaving
KyanCatMeow: What?
KyanCatMeow: I was at the door and he was making a push
KyanCatMeow: And I went to get an angle on him
Mongoose: without declaration
KyanCatMeow: What else would of he been pushing
KyanCatMeow: There was nothing else there to push
Mongoose: did he shoot at you
Mongoose: it doesnt matter. if the declaration is not there, it isnt there
Mongoose: red zone is KOS for Civ v Civ or Civ V Cop
KyanCatMeow: We're going off what I was saying before
Mongoose: Cops and security have to declare
KyanCatMeow: About the banning
Mongoose: its the same thing
Mongoose: if you have broken a rule and the OWNER of the server tells you so. you dont just say Take me to helpdesk.
KyanCatMeow: I'm requesting that I get unbanned from ts so we can talk about this
Mongoose: you can say oh sorry can u please explain, etc....
KyanCatMeow: So nothing gets mixed up
KyanCatMeow: What else do you think I was asking him to go to helpdesk for
Mongoose: he was right in front of you
Mongoose: you didnt have to ask him to go to helpdesk
KyanCatMeow: You don't get it though
KyanCatMeow: He was being salty as fuck about it
KyanCatMeow: And went straight to the threats
Mongoose: if it was me, i would have heard "take me to helpdesk because im not listening"
KyanCatMeow: There was no explaining
KyanCatMeow: He said "Do you know who you just tazed"
KyanCatMeow: "Im the owner of this shit I don't need to go to no helpdesk"
KyanCatMeow: Thats all he was saying t
KyanCatMeow: There was no explaining
Mongoose: as i said... if you want me to argue with the owner over something like this you need to give me a video of the full interaction
KyanCatMeow: Am I able to be unbanned from ts?
Mongoose: i can ask him
KyanCatMeow: Yeah
KyanCatMeow: Is he still salty or is he actually going to talk civilised
KyanCatMeow: Or am I just gonna get the "what I say goes" and get banned
KyanCatMeow: Because what I would like to request here is for us to be on equal grounds here and just act as if he wasn't an admin at all
KyanCatMeow: So I don't get that response
KyanCatMeow: And we would act as if he was a regular player and not the owner
KyanCatMeow: Because I will tell you this, if it wasn't the owner that would 100% of gone down differently
Mongoose: yes, you probably would have taken them back to the depot and sent them off etc
KyanCatMeow: no
KyanCatMeow: I said take it to helpdesk for a reason
KyanCatMeow: For him to fight his point and for my say
KyanCatMeow: That's the point of it
KyanCatMeow: Why would I just send him
Mongoose: dude, he told you that you had broken a rule
Mongoose: he's the owner of the server
Mongoose: does that not carry a bit of weight to it?
KyanCatMeow: I would assume as the owner of the server and what he has accomplished with the server he would understand a simple point like that
KyanCatMeow: Like "If you would like to take me to helpdesk about it" feel free
Mongoose: he hasnt broken any rules here though
Mongoose: you have
KyanCatMeow: And that would of been explained properly in helpdesk
Mongoose: he did not declare on you, you did not declare on him.... he didnt shoot at you, but you shot at him and restrained and took him away
KyanCatMeow: You don't just act helpdesk ingame
Mongoose: when your the owner of the server you kinda have that ability and right
Mongoose: nobody is going to over rule him on a rule that is clearly written
KyanCatMeow: Where is it clearly written that "If you are the owner you can just do what you want and do helpdesk anywhere"
Mongoose: you could have just said "ok, can u please tell me where that is"
Mongoose: dude, thats not what i said
KyanCatMeow: That's not what i'm complaining about
KyanCatMeow: It's the fact he just made an action without even bothering to go to helpdesk
Mongoose: so your complaining that he dealt with his own issue?
KyanCatMeow: He shouldn't be able to
KyanCatMeow: You don't see any other admin dealing with their own hd issue
Mongoose: other admins are not owners
KyanCatMeow: And that makes him right why?
KyanCatMeow: Take trump for an example
KyanCatMeow: He is in power of majority of america
KyanCatMeow: He makes dumb ass comments and statements
KyanCatMeow: He is not always correct
KyanCatMeow: Just because you created something doesn't make you correct
KyanCatMeow: There have been multiple times where admin's have been wrong
Mongoose: well it kinda does when he makes the rules
KyanCatMeow: And I got the "What I saw was what happened" response
Mongoose: and he is telling you that you have broken a clear rule that has been clearly mapped out
KyanCatMeow: I don't think saying "You don't know who you just tazed do you" "I am the owner of the server enjoy your whitelist"
Mongoose: we had a meeting about this sort of thing yesterday for security
KyanCatMeow: He was using the power to his advantage
KyanCatMeow: He wasn't explaining anything
Mongoose: and as i said. if i can get the video i can see what happened in full contrast and the way it went down without any bias. but without it. i cant do anything
KyanCatMeow: Like I said earlier any other admin wouldn't of done that
KyanCatMeow: Now, I request that I get unbanned from teamspeak so I can talk to huntah about it on even grounds
Mongoose: im telling you now, Huntah is not going to go to helpdesk
KyanCatMeow: What did he make it for then?
KyanCatMeow: It's not hard to click a button
Mongoose: he has staff that deal with the issues
KyanCatMeow: Why because he can't deal with them properly by the looks of it
KyanCatMeow: That's how it's looking so far
Mongoose: your digging your hole deeper...
KyanCatMeow: As far as I am concerned he is still apart of the staff tean
KyanCatMeow: team*
Mongoose: no, he has staff that deal with it because if he or scorp goes to helpdesk the whole fucking server joins and whinges about every minor problem that they have had since the dawn of time
Mongoose: he's not a part of the staff team. he's the boss
Mongoose: him, Scorp, Max and Gov. they are the bosses
KyanCatMeow: There is a difference between winging about all the issues and having a discussion about an ingame issue between two people
KyanCatMeow: It's a helpdesk issue
KyanCatMeow: Not winging about all the problems
KyanCatMeow: I don't see why he can't go to helpdesk between an issue between the both of us
Mongoose: as i said, if you have a video i can check it, but other than that i cant do anything
KyanCatMeow: For a start I would like to have a discussion with huntah
KyanCatMeow: As it is an issue between me and him
KyanCatMeow: https://imgur.com/a/oEnXe
KyanCatMeow: You see
KyanCatMeow: It could of been that easy
KyanCatMeow: But because he doesn't want to go to helpdesk
KyanCatMeow: He is just making it more complicated