meeting 3.11.18

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AncientOokamiTenshi: I wrote her asking if she felt confortable just waiting on a reply
AncientOokamiTenshi: wb
DeliciouslyFallen: I already asked
DeliciouslyFallen: She is fine with it.
SylvaWolfMoon: Well then you invite her fallen.
SylvaWolfMoon: Hermes and I have tried and we have had no answer.
DeliciouslyFallen: I have invited 4 times already
AncientOokamiTenshi: okay could be the invites are not showing in but I did add her as a friend so she should have no issues getting here
DeliciouslyFallen: I suggested her to relog
DeliciouslyFallen  > AncientOokamiTenshi: there is the aduitide again
AncientOokamiTenshi: it's okay we'll give her a little time to see what can be done
DeliciouslyFallen: She is reloging
Guest_killerboypisces: back
SylvaWolfMoon: welcome back
HermesWolfHeart: welcome back
Guest_killerboypisces: ty
AncientOokamiTenshi: verygood
DeliciouslyFallen: Ok lets try again
AncientOokamiTenshi: okay I think I know why
DeliciouslyFallen: Did you forget to add her as a friend?
AncientOokamiTenshi: it could be because this is an ap room she's not able to enter let me select another room and I'll call you all in
AncientOokamiTenshi has changed the room to: Dark Victorian Room
AncientOokamiTenshi: lets see if this one will work
SylvaWolfMoon: that could be the problem
DeliciouslyFallen: Ah
Lunnala has joined the chat
DeliciouslyFallen: There we go.
AncientOokamiTenshi: there we go good good
AncientOokamiTenshi: let me make a small arrangement for us
Guest_killerboypisces: there she is
DeliciouslyFallen: All we need is some seating. lol
AncientOokamiTenshi: alright feel free to take a seat everyone and lets see this come to a peaceable closing
Guest_killerboypisces: huh just like my room
Guest_killerboypisces: just a bit more chairs
DeliciouslyFallen: Luna come sit love
Lunnala: sorry I was still loading
AncientOokamiTenshi: So as I'm sure we've all had quite enough of the conflict with good reason to say I want to be sure we all understand firstly why we felt the way we felt and how things came to be as they are now.
AncientOokamiTenshi: tyt dear
Guest_killerboypisces: mhm
Lunnala: -nods- Im good now, ty
DeliciouslyFallen: Ghost please remove your weapon.
AncientOokamiTenshiAncientOokamiTenshi Whisper: As it is we know that luna who was part of sylva and hermes pack felt as she stated "unconfortable" with ghost. However I am curious as to if ghost understand why she felt this way.
SylvaWolfMoon: was ?
DeliciouslyFallen: She still is Tenshi.
AncientOokamiTenshi: I believe it however I want luna to speak on her own behalf to explain to ghost
DeliciouslyFallen: Can we please wait till ghost has removed his weapon this is a meeting, there is no need for it.
AncientOokamiTenshi: and not to fear as there is no reprocussions here only honesty to be spoken luna you'll not be seen any less for your answers I assure you
Guest_killerboypisces: agreed
AncientOokamiTenshi: believe me fallen ghost won't be harming anyone here within this room it's a pc and thusly is a nkz
Lunnala: thank you, um ok I'll start now
Guest_killerboypisces: plus its not like i can use my weapons
AncientOokamiTenshi: besides at this place being my land I could kill all of you within a glance without anyone holding any power to defend themselves if I chose to so let's not feel "intemidated" or threated by trivial things.
AncientOokamiTenshi: please luna go ahead
Lunnala: well it was all fine at first, there were some moments that I had always found weird and slight awkward, which were also making me uncomfortable, but as I m very timid towards this things I know I need to be better at communicating disconfort like these, a lot of times he would go about with stuff about himself and in a way it all just had a tone that was very odd, and almost everytime I would be ther, I hate bringing this up but it was main reason why this all started, the issue with kim, evryone was not really good with it, especially those outside the main circle, being Ghost, Sylva and Hermes, that I know of., there were times when he would purpousely reject is what he calls it, but sometimes I felt it could've been handle more decently or better mannered, the longer I had spent time there, the worse it got with that situation, and evrery time he would leave, we would discuss it, though as I saw itdidnt look like it would stop, and I am mentioning all this as how I saw and perscived things, not coming from a bad place, and with the little information I had, which is also why I was trying not to involve myself in it, also it being an outside matter, since the Kim was not from my pack Moon Heart.
AncientOokamiTenshi: Just so we all understand the reason it is done this way is because it is not our jobs as leaders to speak for the individuals involved unless they feel they cannot speak for themselves. Much like any court room we are there as "atterneys" we find out the information of the victim and the accused and from there this comes to pass and if the victim feels confedent to speak for themselves you give them that right and honor to do so. As noone can say better ones meaning than the indivdiual themselves.
Guest_killerboypisces: thats a lot of words X....x
AncientOokamiTenshiAncientOokamiTenshi Whisper: I see, and what did ghost do spacifically which made you feel unconfortable miss luna?
DeliciouslyFallen: Oh a quick side note, Luna's mate would like to be invited to support her.
SylvaWolfMoon: ah, so they become official then.
Guest_killerboypisces: done reading
LunnalaLunnala Whisper: >///>
SylvaWolfMoon: Glad to know you have a mate now Luna.
AncientOokamiTenshi: If luna would feel he is a valuable asset to add though he's not nessisarily needed we will let that be her choice if she wishes him to join.
Lunnala: -blushes lightly nodding- thank you
DeliciouslyFallen: Would you like me to invite him Luna?
AncientOokamiTenshi: before we do make this choice was said mate with luna at the time of this insodent?
Lunnala: I'll tell him that im alright, Im nervous enough just with you guys
Lunnala: -shakes head- No
SylvaWolfMoon: There is no reason to be nervous Luna.
DeliciouslyFallen: They have only just became mates a few hours ago.
AncientOokamiTenshi: so she was at that time single and thus not bound to any?
HermesWolfHeart: Indeed
AncientOokamiTenshi: okay so luna was ghost making advances toward you of which you found unsettling?
DeliciouslyFallen: Wait
DeliciouslyFallen: Hold on
DeliciouslyFallen: How did we get onto that?
SylvaWolfMoon: Have no idea.
AncientOokamiTenshi: be patient these questions hold reason
Guest_killerboypisces: yep
Lunnala: not really, I mean we were just being friendly to a regular level most of the time, and somestimes we would argue about stuff, like disagreeing about hobbies or likes, I had always seen it as siblings rivalry, and I had mentioned that to Fallen before as well, I mean I think it was Fallen
AncientOokamiTenshi: it's quite alright luna the reason I ask is because we must know the root cause of your unsettled feelings. I believe though some may disagree that ghost was unaware of his actions consiously.
DeliciouslyFallen: Think we spoke about it on call yesterday
aWolfMoon Whisper: you said so to me as well about the sibling rivelry.
SylvaWolfMoon: Also Luna, unless you are spending time with your mate in another room. He is in the pack room.
AncientOokamiTenshi: okay so you felt unease due to ghosts disagreements with you then?
DeliciouslyFallen: He is in my pack room with her.
SylvaWolfMoon: Ah. Okay.
AncientOokamiTenshi: is that correct luna? that you felt unease due to the various arguments of which took place between you and ghost? as I recall you stated you are not one for conflict.
DeliciouslyFallen: I will be back in a moment there is something I need to deal with within my pack.
AncientOokamiTenshi: ofcourse tyt
SylvaWolfMoon: tyt
AncientOokamiTenshi: you don't have to go into full detail about it either luna a simple yes or no will suffice hun.
DeliciouslyFallen: Ok I am back.
Lunnala: well only some of them, a couple were just nothing big, nor of any type of malice or anything like that, but the odd feeling was always there, I guess I had uncousiously noticed the way he speak and other topics were just off and unsettleing, like he would really bring things that where always involving himself, nd he would "playfully" complain about certain things, but if it was just every now and then fine, but after awhile it was quite frquently, it's just many small things that pile on top of each one, and I achknowledge that it was my fault for not saying naything evrytime a discomfort would come about, I have many things to learn and open myself to, I do hope some of the things am saying make sense -feels her hands were getting sweaty from nervousness as she hs never spoken so much-
AncientOokamiTenshi: wb
Lunnala: im sorry
AncientOokamiTenshi: no no it's quite alright
SylvaWolfMoon: Luna, if it eases you no need to go into full detail. Take deep breaths and think of a happy place. You really have no need to be nervous.
Lunnala: I just dont like leaving people un satisfied, and lost on certain matters, I haave been told that I ramble about details and other things too much, trying to explain myself too
AncientOokamiTenshi: I see, and you didn't speak of this to hermes and sylva because you felt as he was their friend that it would go unattended or disregarded, is that right luna?
Lunnala: -nods-
DeliciouslyFallen: It's why she spoke to me about the matter.
Lunnala: Im sorry that I should have no thought like that, but not knowing them all for long leaves me lost on what to do
Lunnala: not
AncientOokamiTenshi: don't feel ashamed it's why the chain of command exists within the clan
AncientOokamiTenshi: in truth you infact did the right thing
AncientOokamiTenshi: because you felt you could not bring this to the attention of your own alphas you took it to an elder who then brought it to me
AncientOokamiTenshi: this is how the "open door policy" works in everyday life I know because I've been a manager for large corporations
DeliciouslyFallen: Before I brought it to you I did try and speak to Hermes about it but it did not go well as you know by the chat log.
AncientOokamiTenshi: yes and you were also right to do that fallen
HermesWolfHeart: Indeed
AncientOokamiTenshi: because as it happens if an issue is brought to you because the individual does not feel they can bring it to their own leaders it is your duty to consult the leaders and make them aware
DeliciouslyFallen: Yes I know.
Guest_killerboypisces: mhm
AncientOokamiTenshi: now this is where we have our first issue of sylva's feelings on the matter, they are perfectly understandable and normal for the situation.
DeliciouslyFallen: I would like to hear them in her own words please.
DeliciouslyFallen: One moment Luna has changed her mind about her mate.
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SylvaWolfMoon: I would like it to be a more specific question to answer. Since there is much discussed in this conversation.
DeliciouslyFallen: Your feelings regarding Luna speaking to me rather then you.
AncientOokamiTenshi: yes ofcourse, So sylva would you explain your feelings at the time of discovering the report?
DeliciouslyFallen: Luna you can take my spot so you can sit with Draco.
Lunnala: thank you
DeliciouslyFallen: Most welcome love.
Guest_MasterDraco: *reached out for luna's hand*
AncientOokamiTenshi: thank you for joining draco please be sure you remain civil and understand that this council is infact only involving those of the situation. With no offence to you being you are no doubt the mate spoken of and the situation took place before you two got together your welcome to observe and listen.
Lunnala: -takes his hand, looking for comfort, for her nervousness as her hands were slightly shaking-
DeliciouslyFallen: Yes he already knows Tenshi, he was informed before I invited him
AncientOokamiTenshi: it's for the record ofcourse
Guest_MasterDraco: *he would put another hand on top of hers trying to comfort her the best way possible and nodded* ofc tenshi
AncientOokamiTenshi: thank you draco
AncientOokamiTenshi: as you were sylva apologies for the intterruption
Guest_MasterDraco: *draco would also rap his tail around luna's waist sending calm vibrations through his tail into her body as he smiled over at luna and observed the meeting*
SylvaWolfMoon: Well my feelings on the report were odd, for one I had wondered why Luna had not come to me first about the situation. Learning about her uncomfort was also suprising because I could not notice it and wished she would have told me this as well since she had considered me a friend. When I was told about Ghost, I wondered what specifically made her uncomftrable, since I can't read peoples way of speaking very well. Just as one time I thought Fallen and uncle were fighting but they were simply talking.
Lunnala: I'm sorry I didn't, after many years of my life every since I could remember I have been the best at hiding my feelings to almost everyone about many things.
DeliciouslyFallen: And can you tell us what you did once I did inform you about how she was feeling? Did one of you not just say it was his depression and we should treate him differently?
SylvaWolfMoon: It's fine Luna, I understand comepletely since I have had my own share of hiding feelings and situations under a smile, ever since i was in 3rd grade. So it's fine.
Lunnala: and of course I still consider you a friend, but I had known that you guys were closer and knew each other better, and it scared me, conflicted me if I should or not, as it is now I should've
HermesWolfHeart: We could talk about that when permited
AncientOokamiTenshi: I see, well as we will all need to adapt. Fallen for one is a very serious individual and as we've all misunderstood her at times for expectation of emotion when none was presant it will take time to see what she is meaning behind her words at times.
DeliciouslyFallen: I would like it on record what you two did when two people came to you regarding his behavor
HermesWolfHeart: Go on
AncientOokamiTenshi: a good question to ask, what was done after learning this had happened?
DeliciouslyFallen: I think you missunderstand what I am saying Hermes I am asking you to state what you did once I came to you about the way he acted.
HermesWolfHeart: Sure I just tried to make you guys understand he isn't a bad person at most, also may I state wat was the triger for his anger?
DeliciouslyFallen: please answer the question then you may go on about his triggers.
HermesWolfHeart: anyway I tried to reason to let me take care of the problem
AncientOokamiTenshiAncientOokamiTenshi Whisper: okay
HermesWolfHeart: If you excuse me fallen
HermesWolfHeart: But you were a bit over boear to on the matter and didnot also care about us
DeliciouslyFallen: Explain.
HermesWolfHeart: You have shown the chat right
AncientOokamiTenshi: and how would you describe in your best words hermes what you believe that fallens choice in words and actions were to your and your fellow pack members?
HermesWolfHeart: There could always be a more calm way to fix everything
HermesWolfHeart: No need to too much seriousnes in a fun pack
DeliciouslyFallen: Ok So before we go on Tenshi can we talk about the other subject that was to wait?
AncientOokamiTenshi: I see and would you say that because of her serious action and words that this is why you and sylva choose to not regard her with the respect you otherwise would if she were more lieniant in understanding a more civil way of expressing herself of the matter?
AncientOokamiTenshi: I see and would you say that because of her serious action and words that this is why you and sylva choose to not regard her with the respect you otherwise would if she were more lieniant in understanding a more civil way of expressing herself of the matter?
HermesWolfHeart: yes
HermesWolfHeart: I stated it in the chat with Fallen and I have alibi of doing so
HermesWolfHeart: I said I would take care of the problem
DeliciouslyFallen: My rebuttle on this matter if you will. Making exscuses for your friend to why we should just put up with how he acts does not fly with me when you care about your friend over your pack memeber
DeliciouslyFallen: As for you saying I do not care, if I did not care I would not have spoken a word
Guest_killerboypisces: x..x
HermesWolfHeart: You don't
AncientOokamiTenshi: though you both understand and know well she is in a higher status than you both, do you believe that her authority is in simple terms "untrusted"?
DeliciouslyFallen: So you are assuming
HermesWolfHeart: I did not agree on he being my boss Ookami sorry
DeliciouslyFallen: He?
HermesWolfHeart: I did agree on you
HermesWolfHeart: She*
HermesWolfHeartHermesWolfHeart Whisper: sorry for that
DeliciouslyFallen: Cus I do your job better then you do?
Guest_killerboypisces: may i inturuped
Guest_killerboypisces: real quick
HermesWolfHeart: Ni because we didn't need you to do our work
HermesWolfHeart: as a friend and pack leader
AncientOokamiTenshiAncientOokamiTenshi Whisper: Yes and this is why I'm here now to clarify things as it stands because in truth you are right hermes and fallen in this instance is also in right and I'll explain why once we here ghost out here
AncientOokamiTenshi: hear*
AncientOokamiTenshi: go ahead ghost
Guest_killerboypisces: nvm
DeliciouslyFallen: No please go ahead.
Guest_killerboypiscesGuest_killerboypisces WhisperAdd Friend: i forgot wt i was to say
HermesWolfHeart: really dude
Guest_killerboypisces: it happens XD
AncientOokamiTenshi: okay well let's firstly make this apparent as I believe we have an idea of how the clan works with it's associated packs but we do not hold a full understanding of it
Guest_MasterDraco: *chuckles softly but then covers his mouth with apologetic eyes*
AncientOokamiTenshi: as you all should be aware I've added new information the group page here on imvu for those who have been added into the clan eventually I'll be looking into getting the various members of both packs involved as well there
Lunnala: -she nudges his arm lightly glaring at him-
DeliciouslyFallen: We are getting off topic.
Guest_killerboypisces: very
Guest_MasterDraco: *looks back and luna and gives her a im sorry look*
SylvaWolfMoon: *stares at the couple* cute. just wanted to say that
Lunnala: -///-
DeliciouslyFallen: I would like to talk about the apologies today.
Guest_MasterDraco: *blushed slightly*
AncientOokamiTenshi: but firstly I want to make this simple to understand for all of you leaders. You both run your OWN indivdiual packs these packs are only connected strictly to the clan, that being said you do not go off seeking to control one another, nor do you go off trying to cause issues with one another, your packs are your responsibility and MY responsibility and noone elses. Now this situation is only justified in this current prediciment because of the fact we had a member of one pack go to speak to a leader of another to discuss the situation.
LunnalaLunnala Whisper: I'm sorry
Guest_killerboypisces: interesting
DeliciouslyFallen: Luna is in agreence with me that both apologies where haft assed and forced.
AncientOokamiTenshi: that being said, though yes fallen you hold status of an elder within your own right that means that you are an elder to YOUR pack not to hermes and sylva who also in time may achieve the same title when and if they do they will be elders to THEIR pack
DeliciouslyFallen: Very well.
AncientOokamiTenshi: are you starting to see how it runs?
SylvaWolfMoon: Even so it may have seem that way, he atleast made the effort to apologize.
SylvaWolfMoon: Yes.
DeliciouslyFallen: There was not effort
DeliciouslyFallenDeliciouslyFallen : It was forced.
HermesWolfHeart: No excuse
DeliciouslyFallen: and Tenshi when you asked me to be an elder that is not what you told me how this would be run.
AncientOokamiTenshi: now you were right all the same as I said to speak to them and make them aware of the situation that's being respectful in their case however that is where it should have been left for them to make the effort to speak with luna and from that to resolve the situation
AncientOokamiTenshi: had you been soley to the clan the way it would have been run is the way you expect however because you chose to make an associated pack that is why it is seperated
DeliciouslyFallen: So now you are going back on what you told me? You said it was a good idea to make my own pack within the clan
DeliciouslyFallen: And neve informed me my role would change just cus I had a pack.
AncientOokamiTenshi: yes because you needed to have that chance to gain indivdiuals and from that you could eventually bring it to the fold and be where you are expecting to be today.
DeliciouslyFallen: So you lied to me
Guest_MasterDraco: ((my apologies guys but i have to head out for now but i hope this situation gets resolved and thank you for letting me join in on this meeting))
DeliciouslyFallen: Good night Draco.
HermesWolfHeart: Good night draco take care
SylvaWolfMoon: (( its fine, Good night, take care ))
DeliciouslyFallen: In other words you kept things from me that I should have known before hand.
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DeliciouslyFallen: If I known any of this I would not have gotten myself into this drama to start with.
AncientOokamiTenshi: no there was no lie intended upon it when you chose to make your own pack you remain a leader of that pack. But as an elder you have closer connections within the clan than those of sylva and hermes elders work between the lines proffessionaly to make sure the packs are run smoothly however it does not mean you make demands and expect them simply to do as you want them to
DeliciouslyFallen: So now you are throwing me under a bus. I stood up cus they where not doing anything about it. Luna was on th brink of walking from the pack.
AncientOokamiTenshi: and you were not wrong to do so the fact that nothing was initially done is not without regard
DeliciouslyFallen: Alot of what was said you approved or read before it was said.
DeliciouslyFallen: But I know where I stand now.
DeliciouslyFallen: Thank you for opening my eyes.
AncientOokamiTenshi: as I said noone is in the wrong here but I believe we all have not fully grasped how to work together.
HermesWolfHeart: It was approved by ghost and all of us
Guest_killerboypisces: hm?
HermesWolfHeart: we simply asked you to let us deal with it
DeliciouslyFallen: Now can we get back to the appolgies now that things have been cleared up.
DeliciouslyFallen: You where not dealing with it
HermesWolfHeart: We did
DeliciouslyFallen: after the fact
HermesWolfHeart: We didn't need your pace
DeliciouslyFallen: Befor you where making exsus after ecuse blaming his depression
HermesWolfHeartHermesWolfHeart Whisper: yeah and need to be more calm in the mater to reslove things
DeliciouslyFallen: I have been calm
DeliciouslyFallen: Stop assuming
HermesWolfHeart: Ookami and her wife knew the situation
DeliciouslyFallen: Like I have explained more then once.
AncientOokamiTenshi: you fallen constantly complained about how nothing was done and how it was expected that they respect you as an elder to do what you would by having him removed or refused to join the clan all together. Rather than work with hermes and sylva by giving options as to what could be done inculding if luna wanted a transfer to your pack in order to feel more accomidated.
DeliciouslyFallen: I will walk and take my pack with me if he joins the clan
DeliciouslyFallen: Simple.
HermesWolfHeart: Scooldin like an angry mom is not calm and at the 31st of october wich I have witness about his anger before hand about halloween cancelation
DeliciouslyFallen: You do not know me.
DeliciouslyFallen: So stop trying to
HermesWolfHeart: No but others do know your tone
AncientOokamiTenshi: your lack of faith in their leadership was also conserning to me because you judged them as though they were not capable of change nor of adapting to learning from the situation at all thus you assumed that they would in turn never do anything about it.
DeliciouslyFallen: And I know yours
DeliciouslyFallen: SO this has become a lets throw fallen under the bus
DeliciouslyFallen: very wel
HermesWolfHeart: Sure I don't hide my way of doing stuff
HermesWolfHeart: and how I am
AncientOokamiTenshi: no it's not that at all what it is is to point out fallen that you need to have a little patients and faith in others
DeliciouslyFallen: Nar do I
DeliciouslyFallen: Like you have faith in me Tenshi?
AncientOokamiTenshi: I do
DeliciouslyFallen: Anyway the topic of the apoligies has now been engored
Guest_killerboypisces: yep
AncientOokamiTenshi: it may not seem like it at times but if I didn't have faith in you I would have never agreed for you to be the title you hold today.
DeliciouslyFallen: Sure.
AncientOokamiTenshi: but yes so the feeling of the apology was not what we expected or hoped for but as I said I believe ghost was unaware of how he actually affected luna
AncientOokamiTenshi: this isn't an excuse mind you this is merely a presumption to which I've seen many fall under
AncientOokamiTenshi: much like how someone may be flirty and yet they don't think they are being so but the other party feels unconfortable about it all the same
Guest_killerboypisces: i had no clue she had those feelings twords me so i cant say i do nor dont
AncientOokamiTenshi: okay and was it brought to your attention by sylva or hermes at any point?
Guest_killerboypisces: about this issue?
AncientOokamiTenshi: yes
Guest_killerboypisces: nope its new news today
DeliciouslyFallen: Interesting.
AncientOokamiTenshi: So they did not speak with you about luna's unease?
Guest_killerboypisces: nope
Guest_killerboypisces: o.o
AncientOokamiTenshi: I see.
DeliciouslyFallen: They have known about it for about three days by this point Teshi.
AncientOokamiTenshi: I appreicate your honesty on the matter ghost thank you.
Guest_killerboypisces: sorry
AncientOokamiTenshi: I'm well aware fallen
Guest_killerboypisces: cool
Guest_killerboypisces: can i speek?
AncientOokamiTenshi: no do not be sorry my next question goes to hermes and sylva. Did you both or either of you speak of the issue to ghost?
HermesWolfHeart: We did
AncientOokamiTenshi: and how did you present it to him as I know ghost suffers from short term memory loss.
HermesWolfHeart: yeah he does
HermesWolfHeart: I stated yesteerday and before
HermesWolfHeart: about luna
AncientOokamiTenshi: and what did you say to him generally speaking if you can recall
HermesWolfHeart: About what Luna told me on the matter
HermesWolfHeart: Lunna we did speak on whisper am I correct
DeliciouslyFallen: But did you baby it to him or be derect
HermesWolfHeart: Shush Fallen
DeliciouslyFallenDeliciouslyFallen : Answer the question please.
Lunnala: yes correct
HermesWolfHeart: There you go I had knowledge and ghost knows I had talked to him these days about Lunas and fallens matter
AncientOokamiTenshi: okay, so the issue was made aware, it was relayed and up to this time ghost has forgotten of them telling him which is why he had no idea of how she felt.
HermesWolfHeart: If I recall Ghost was annoyed about the situation
Guest_killerboypisces: very
HermesWolfHeart: yeas I told him
AncientOokamiTenshi: annoyed? how so?
HermesWolfHeart: explain Ghost
Guest_killerboypisces: my annoyance?
DeliciouslyFallen: Yes
HermesWolfHeart: Just tell the truth
Guest_killerboypisces: ok so before any of this i was annoyed about somthing personal now after told hermes and syl about my issue fallen comes out of no where and talks about a issue of me being "rude and uncivil" for my actions on rejecting peoples feelings twords me
AncientOokamiTenshi: noones going to be harmed here in doing so I assure you we merely wish to get the understanding of the situation so that luna understands as well as yourself and thus we can come to a middle ground to part from.
AncientOokamiTenshi: yes I was shown the logs of which was relayed to that comment
Guest_killerboypisces: mhm
AncientOokamiTenshi: even my own experiance with you ghost though short as it has been I've had times of which I have thought the same to be honest but as you are a free spirit and not bound by the same life as we hold I understand as to why you are this careless in your choices
Guest_killerboypisces: mhm
Guest_killerboypisces: these experiences i do know of sorry
Guest_killerboypisces: witch btw might i add that syls mother asked that i seek your help but its off topic so
AncientOokamiTenshi: I'm aware, I was the one speaking with you under sinful
Guest_killerboypisces: mhm
DeliciouslyFallen: Do you want this part added to the chat log or
AncientOokamiTenshi: So now that you have been reminded of the issue ghost do you understand why we made the request for the apology?
AncientOokamiTenshi: your welcome to if you feel it nessisary or relative.
AncientOokamiTenshi: your'e*
DeliciouslyFallen: I will just leave it. I do not wish to be accused of tempery
AncientOokamiTenshi: damn typos
DeliciouslyFallen: Tempering
Guest_killerboypisces: i see
DeliciouslyFallen: Only thing that has been removed so far are whispers.
vaWolfMoon Whisper: *nods* ill be saving the chat log once it is all finished in discussion.
DeliciouslyFallen: I already am
AncientOokamiTenshi: okay, now luna do you feel that ghost owes you an apology for his actions and words of which upset you as you've stated?
Lunnala: Im alright with what he mustered to do, I admit it didnt feel genuinly, but most likely cuz he was confused over the situation maybe feeling like he didnt have to, the only thing that really upset me was just how we was talking to us when Fallen comfronted him over the Kim thing
Lunnala: genuine
Lunnala: i never felt he had to apologize for how he made me uncomfortable for other things, as I feel they were minor
Lunnala: and people do what they do
AncientOokamiTenshi WhisperAncientOokamiTenshi Whisper: okay, So do you feel he owes fallen an apology then given your view of how he spoke to her about the situation?
Lunnala: it was a bit rude in a way, but he had already apologize to her, no? I heard he did
DeliciouslyFallen: He has, a haft ass apology but it does not matter how I feel about it. There is no need to ask her.
Guest_killerboypisces: might i add
Guest_killerboypisces: every opinion counts love
DeliciouslyFallen: Please do not call me love.
Guest_killerboypisces: if u say so
DeliciouslyFallenDeliciouslyFallen : I will be back I need to start cooking dinner.
SylvaWolfMoonSylvaWolfMoon Whisper: tyt
AncientOokamiTenshi: tyt
HermesWolfHeart: Well I will have to take my leave everyone
HermesWolfHeart: I need to follow house orders
HermesWolfHeart: Night everyone
AncientOokamiTenshi: alright hermes thank you for attending for the time
SylvaWolfMoon: okay love, goodnight
Guest_killerboypisces: night dude
Lunnala: good night
HermesWolfHeart: No problem and thanks for listening
AncientOokamiTenshi: I trust that hermes and sylva did reach out to speak with you all the same luna is that right?
Lunnala: about what matter?
HermesWolfHeart has left the chat
AncientOokamiTenshi: about the unease you felt of ghost?
Lunnala: hmmm I know Sylva has asked me a couple times, are you ok? but it wasnt really in any of the moments that stuff was related to Ghost, she did once asked when I poofed after Ghost called me fake lunnala, that was a jok btw, and I knew that but being that I was trying during that time to be ice and approach GHost trying to go into more comforatble speking terms, I was still awkwards towards him especially after I sent him a long apology, so I took that joke as a chance to kinda poof and have some space, though Sylva called me back, and I didnt wanna ignore her cuz that would/ve made i worse
Lunnala: that would/ve been the only time that she had asked me, but since i hadnt gathered my thought then yet, I didnt tell her about it
Lunnala: and said it was nothing
AncientOokamiTenshi: I see and would you say that sylva and hermes should apologise for their lack of attempt to investigate further by getting more involved with you personaly to better understand the situation?
DeliciouslyFallen: I would like to add something into this if I have permission.
Lunnala: No no! its alright
Lunnala: they dont have to
SylvaWolfMoon: Even if she says it is alright.
SylvaWolfMoon: Luna I'm sorry for not investigating further about the situation.
Lunnala: its ok, I understand
SylvaWolfMoon: I'm apologizing both as your Alpha and as your friend.
DeliciouslyFallen: Never mind.
Lunnala: thank you -she smiles kindly seeing she was being genuine-
AncientOokamiTenshi: please fallen go ahead
SylvaWolfMoon: *she smiles back and reaches over and gives her a hug* youre welcome
DeliciouslyFallen: No it dose not matter
Lunnala: -kinda starts feeling sad and can feel her eyes feel red and like she wants to cry-
SylvaWolfMoon: o.o
SylvaWolfMoon: whats wrong?
Guest_killerboypisces: welp shes gonna cry
DeliciouslyFallen: Think she is just happy she is able to talk to you without there being repercustions
Guest_killerboypisces: tenshi i asume u have tisue boxex?
Guest_killerboypisces: boxes*
Lunnala: Im sorry, Im sorry -she sobs- I just I should've brought it up, me neglecting the situation and not bring it up, was my fault -she sobs harder as she wipes her face, feeling like hr words arent coming out right-
AncientOokamiTenshi: if that's the case this is ofcourse what we want for all the members to feel confortable around their leaders to be able to speak without fear of authority beating down upon them or of what may come to pass should they upset the leader(s) of their pack
AncientOokamiTenshi: no it's alright luna that's why we had this come to pass hun we want to make you understand that you are not in the wrong here but also to confide in you that you dont have to be afraid to speak up about things either
SylvaWolfMoon: Hey, no it's okay. Listen, I understand very well on having a hard time bringing stuff up to people. I get it and I understand you. It is not your fault. *hugs her tight*
Lunnala: -she sobs into Sylva'z shouder muffling her 'Im sorry's' as she keeps chanting that one phrase, being one of her bad habits-
Lunnala: -rubbing her eyes trying to calm herself, kinda wishing Draco was here, afterwards looking over at Tenshi- I understand, makes me feel relif knwoing thats how things are around here
SylvaWolfMoon: *sighs and smiles understanding her, she starts petting her back in comfort way* its okay Luna. Its okay.
Lunnala: im sorry, its just sometimes things like this can overwhelm me, which is why I dislike conflict as I am sensitive to negative situations
SylvaWolfMoon: It's okay. I'm not a fan of conclict myself either, so I understand what you mean.
Lunnala: especially when I feel its somewhat my fault u.u
Lunnala: thank you for understanding, thts why from the start I liked your pack
SylvaWolfMoon: It's okay, but it's not our fault. I assure you that.
Guest_killerboypisces: so tenshi may we talk about my personal issue some time?
Guest_killerboypisces: not now tho
Guest_killerboypisces: sorta tired for one day
DeliciouslyFallen: Think that is everything cleared up
SylvaWolfMoon: Well until Father says so I'm unsure.
AncientOokamiTenshi: yes I'm sure that luna has come to better understand the situation as well as you have ghost
Guest_killerboypisces: need a hamer?
AncientOokamiTenshi: lol
SylvaWolfMoon: lols
Guest_killerboypisces: -gives him one-
AncientOokamiTenshi: well, now luna do you feel you wish to remain with sylva and hermes pack or to depart with fallen?
Lunnala: o.o
DeliciouslyFallen: I suggest she stays with Sylvas
AncientOokamiTenshi: It's a choice only you can make dear and their are no hard feelings no matter what you choose
SylvaWolfMoon: Indeed.
Lunnala: this is really hard, Draco is in Fallen's
DeliciouslyFallen: He is welcome to gowith you
Lunnala: huh?
DeliciouslyFallen: And you know why I am saying this
Lunnala: .....
DeliciouslyFallen: He is welcome to leave Darken Skies for your pack.
AncientOokamiTenshi: given draco's done no wrong to the clan or sylva and hermes he is ofcourse welcome anytime
Lunnala: Fallen or me would have to see with him, but it will most likely be Fallen
AncientOokamiTenshi: thus he does not have to leave fallens group and he is able to visit you at any point with no restrictions
SylvaWolfMoon: Luna, if you wish to leave to Darken Skies I have no objection, you are still welcome to come to MoonHeart any time you like.
DeliciouslyFallen: Darken Skies is no more.
DeliciouslyFallen: It is being disbanded
DeliciouslyFallen: I was waiting till the end to inform you all of it.