11:07 AM <_2257> oh also
11:07 AM <_2257> i have a blank world with the new princeton seed
11:08 AM <_2257> and theres a coral reef right next to town
11:11 AM <_2257> https://i.imgur.com/GPEZMAG.png
11:12 AM <_2257> by df's house
11:12 AM <@Uniju> do they light up on their own
11:12 AM <Lord_Bowser> sea pickles produce light
11:13 AM <_2257> it continues a long way south
11:13 AM <_2257> past the mall i think
11:14 AM <Lord_Bowser> oh what about the ocean north of the mesa that snack mentioned
11:14 AM <_2257> i dunno
11:14 AM <_2257> i can try to find it
11:16 AM <_2257> theres also acoral reef like southwest of jav i think
11:17 AM <_2257> hey... theres a witch hut right in the middle of town
11:17 AM <_2257> i never knew that
11:18 AM <Lord_Bowser> how recently were witch huts added
11:18 AM <_2257> theres also a shipwreck around yoshin's
11:18 AM <_2257> idk
11:18 AM <@Uniju> THIS IS A TEST of the national wireless emergency alart system. no action is needed
11:18 AM <@Uniju> type: presidential alert
11:19 AM <@Uniju> fuck you donald trump
11:19 AM <Lord_Bowser> shipwrecks and ruins are actually super common in the new oceans
11:19 AM <@Uniju> that scared the shit out ofm e
11:19 AM <Lord_Bowser> like, significantly more than other structures
11:19 AM <_2257> you know
11:19 AM <_2257> i put my phone to german
11:19 AM <_2257> and that made alerts like that not fit on the screen
11:20 AM <_2257> because german words are too long to fit in the space they allocated for the english text
11:20 AM <_2257> i bet trump doesnt even know he can send those
11:20 AM <_2257> he'd probably use the ability if he could
11:23 AM <Lord_Bowser> 22 how do you feel about coral
11:23 AM <_2257> uh
11:23 AM <_2257> it makes the oceans more interesting than they were
11:24 AM <_2257> does anyone know the coordinates of the mesa
11:24 AM <_2257> i cant find it
11:24 AM <_2257> i lied
11:24 AM <Lord_Bowser> 2500 -1000 approximately
11:24 AM <_2257> it loaded as i was saying that
11:24 AM <Lord_Bowser> oh my god 22
11:24 AM <_2257> personally, i blame lb
11:24 AM <Lord_Bowser> i try to help you and you just deceive me
11:24 AM <Lord_Bowser> what kind of friend are you
11:26 AM <_2257> ok theres also a coral reef north of the mesa
11:26 AM <Lord_Bowser> yay
11:27 AM <Lord_Bowser> is it big
11:27 AM <_2257> i dunno
11:28 AM <_2257> how big is big
11:28 AM <Lord_Bowser> take pics,
11:28 AM <_2257> photography is deceptive
11:28 AM <Lord_Bowser> YOURE deceptive
11:29 AM <_2257> projection
11:29 AM <Lord_Bowser> 11:24 AM <_2257> i lied
11:30 AM <_2257> projection
11:30 AM <Lord_Bowser> THAT IS A DIRECT QUOTE FROM YOU
11:30 AM <_2257> screaming
11:30 AM <_2257> https://i.imgur.com/3Z50yom.png
11:31 AM <DragonFreak> thank you 22 for proving my house is the best
11:31 AM <Lord_Bowser> thats pretty big
11:32 AM <Lord_Bowser> we gotta regen that
11:32 AM <Lord_Bowser> and id regen the bit by dfs too
11:32 AM <_2257> i want to try using the autotrimmer turb found
11:33 AM <Lord_Bowser> ?
11:33 AM <_2257> idk a thing that automatically removes chunks based on what blocks they have in them
11:34 AM <Lord_Bowser> scary
11:34 AM <_2257> y
11:35 AM <Lord_Bowser> because things are scary 22 smh
11:35 AM <_2257> youre just easily terrified
11:36 AM <Lord_Bowser> destroy yourself
11:36 AM <_2257> lashing out in fear
11:38 AM <Lord_Bowser> i will put you in a small box
11:42 AM <_2257> https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/bukkit-craftbukkit-spigot-bungeecord-1-13-1-development-builds.336415/page-15#post-3155746 this
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11:54 AM <Lord_Bowser> oh so it searches chunks and deletes any that dont have a specific block in them?
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12:01 PM <Lord_Bowser> good morning tb
12:02 PM <_2257> yes
12:02 PM <_2257> basically
12:03 PM <Lord_Bowser> what blocks would be universal enough for everyone to have at their houses though
12:03 PM <Lord_Bowser> but not too universal that every chunk has them
12:03 PM <Lord_Bowser> chests and crafting tables maybe...?
12:04 PM <@Uniju> theres a lot of stuff that would get deleted if you just did chests and crafting tables
12:04 PM <_2257> they already have a list
12:04 PM <@Uniju> streets, railroads
12:04 PM <@Uniju> tunnels
12:05 PM <@Uniju> potentially portions of buildings that inhabit multiple chunks
12:05 PM <@Uniju> which is probably the majority of buildings
12:05 PM <_2257> https://bukkit.org/threads/tool-admin-minecraft-map-auto-trim-v0-4-1.37846/
12:05 PM <_2257>  Very simple. It will check every chunk whether contains one of following blocks:5,19,20,22,23,25,26,27,28,29,33,34,35,36,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,53,55,57,59,60,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,75,76,77,80,84,85,87,88,89,91,92,93,94,96 (you can define your own preserve list ). If it dose, preserve this chunk and the chunks in a certain distance around it. At last, delete all the chunks not be
12:05 PM <_2257> preserved.
12:05 PM <Lord_Bowser> doing just rails would keep generated mineshafts, i guess
12:06 PM <@Toadbert> is this about deleting wilderness
12:06 PM <_2257> https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/minecraft_gamepedia/8/8c/DataValuesBeta.png?version=0b4fa8b739c351ba1acb755db13ee476
12:06 PM <nico> what is the newprinceton seed
12:06 PM <nico> #
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12:06 PM <nico> i want to see ancient np
12:07 PM <Lord_Bowser> tbh im curious too but i guess giving the seed to nonops is kinda cheaty lol
12:08 PM <@Toadbert> you just do /seed on the server
12:08 PM <_2257> is that true
12:08 PM <@Toadbert> anyone can get it
12:08 PM <_2257> do we care if non ops have the seed
12:08 PM <Lord_Bowser> i thought that was restricted to ops tb
12:08 PM <@Toadbert> not that command
12:08 PM <_2257> it was freely distributed during the apocalypse wasnt it
12:08 PM <@Toadbert> i dont see why itd matter anyway
12:08 PM <Lord_Bowser> w
12:08 PM <Lord_Bowser> i never knew
12:08 PM <@Toadbert> whats someone going to do, make a rival new princeton?
12:08 PM <_2257> anyway its 3754455409148448306
12:09 PM <Lord_Bowser> also i guess by having your own seed you can see where ores and stuff are
12:09 PM <_2257> well, you can alos make a resource pack that turns stone invisible
12:09 PM <_2257> its not that hard to cheat at minecraft
12:09 PM <_2257> the hope is that you dont
12:09 PM <@Toadbert> yeah if you really want to be a piece of shit an offline copy isnt the requirement
12:11 PM <_2257> anyway
12:11 PM <_2257> yes its abut deleting the wilderness
12:11 PM <@Toadbert> if you checked for any manmade blocks thatd be good wouldnt it
12:12 PM <@Toadbert> youd save villages and mineshafts but i dont think theres any other way
12:12 PM <_2257> well, I definitely think so
12:12 PM <Lord_Bowser> eh villages and mineshafts are w/e
12:12 PM <@Toadbert> yes but theres no way to differentiate them between stuff we've made easily
12:13 PM <Snack> we aren’t seriously going to delete pieces of wilderness are we
12:13 PM <_2257> we're seriously discussing it right now
12:14 PM <@Uniju> i already said last night that i had no plans to delete anything in the new princeton sea but people are having fun theorizing
12:14 PM <Gabumon> to be honest
12:14 PM <Snack> I hate people AND fun
12:15 PM <Gabumon> id rather just set up a pair of command blocks that teleport people far away into unexplored terrain than auto-delete chunks
12:15 PM <@Toadbert> wouldnt that just make the problem worse
12:15 PM <Gabumon> depends on what you define as worse
12:15 PM <@Toadbert> adding even more bulk to the server
12:16 PM <_2257> i dont understand why people dont want to delete chunks that have nothing in them
12:16 PM <Gabumon> auto-deleting chunks will generate a lot of visible chunk borders
12:16 PM <@Toadbert> like stdaro isnt happy with how huge it is
12:16 PM <Lord_Bowser> tbh i agree with 22
12:16 PM <@Uniju> i dont understand how im the only person who seems to notice that a 10 minute overworld walk to get to new resources isnt a big deal
12:16 PM <Gabumon> because it will create fucked up landscapes
12:16 PM <_2257> it wont
12:16 PM <@Toadbert> wont it
12:16 PM <_2257> they dont change the world generator that much anymore
12:16 PM <Gabumon> I heard they fundamentally changed the way it works
12:17 PM <_2257> thats why i had the seed handy
12:17 PM <Snack> I don’t understand people who don’t like walking in minecraft either
12:17 PM <_2257> i loaded up the seed in 1.13
12:17 PM <_2257> and its still all the same coastlines and stuff
12:17 PM <Gabumon> then what are people talking about
12:17 PM <Lord_Bowser> the thing is, with more future updates, we'd have to go out farther and farther every time
12:17 PM <@Toadbert> i dont know what uniju and snack are talking about
12:17 PM <Gabumon> like, not us in here, general minecraft people
12:17 PM <@Toadbert> i thought the problem was the server size
12:17 PM <@Toadbert> not how far you want to travel
12:18 PM <Snack> expeditions are fun though lb
12:18 PM <_2257> well, you can "fundamentally change" how something works and still have it produce the same result
12:18 PM <_2257> for all i know, they just mean it runs faster now
12:18 PM <_2257> idk, i never read what youre referring to
12:18 PM <@Uniju> i mean if people are concerned about the file size i can say its not a real issue at the moment
12:18 PM <Snack> I guess it’s an issue for afterwards when you just want to go and gather resources, kind of, but
12:19 PM <Snack> it’s not even a huge issue with elytra or nether portals
12:19 PM <@Toadbert> isnt stdario the one concerned
12:19 PM <@Uniju> i dont think so
12:19 PM <@Uniju> i mean
12:20 PM <@Uniju> ultimately.... the server will either need to have things removed from it, or more room added at some point
12:20 PM <@Uniju> that's an inevitability
12:20 PM <@Uniju> if we were going to completely remove the possibility of that we would just stop ever playing minecraft
12:21 PM <Lord_Bowser> why not remove unused chunks that have been proven to have new update stuff in them then, or just unexplored wilderness from expeditions and stuff
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12:23 PM <@Uniju> like i said im open to doing it just not in that specific ocean that people have lived around for 4 years and regularly traverse and do stuff in
12:24 PM <@Uniju> i dont see traveling 2km overworld to get to a different ocean as a major deterrent to finding new stuff
12:24 PM <Lord_Bowser> well, what about the one at the mesa at least
12:24 PM <_2257> is there a reason you dont want to use the tool that automatically trims unusued chunks
12:24 PM <Lord_Bowser> theres a coral reef there too
12:24 PM <Snack> which one lb
12:24 PM <@Uniju> what one at the mesa
12:24 PM <Snack> the inland sea?
12:24 PM <Lord_Bowser> north
12:24 PM <@Uniju> the one snack went out of his way to tell me not to touch last night??
12:25 PM <Lord_Bowser> its been proven to have coral
12:25 PM <Snack> yeah I’d rather not delete chunks of that one
12:25 PM <@Uniju> does the autotrimmer let you blacklist areas
12:25 PM <@Uniju> like, using coordinates
12:25 PM <_2257> uhhhhhhhh
12:26 PM <Snack> using an automatic tool seems like a bad idea
12:26 PM <_2257> it says " If you want to reserve some chunks explicitly, just put any preserved block there."
12:26 PM <Snack> if we really wanted to get rid of chunks I think it would be much better to do it manually
12:26 PM <_2257> so i dont think so
12:27 PM <_2257> although, it wouldnt be that hard to automatically place glass at y=255 of a large number of chunks
12:27 PM <Lord_Bowser> the mcedit thing i showed uniju last night can do that snack
12:27 PM <_2257> and glass is one of the default preserve blocks
12:28 PM <@Toadbert> actually
12:28 PM <@Toadbert> theres probably chunks in town thatd get nuked
12:28 PM <@Toadbert> unless they have torches below or something
12:28 PM <@Toadbert> not having a whitelist zone is kinda stupid
12:28 PM <_2257> what chunk in town would get deleted
12:29 PM <@Toadbert> well anything we didnt build on
12:29 PM <@Toadbert> and is just a patch of trees or water
12:29 PM <Snack> it doesn’t seem impossible but I’d guess that every chunk in town has at least one torch in a cave or tunnel underground probably
12:29 PM <@Toadbert> granted im sure mines would extend under evertyhing but still
12:29 PM <Snack> it’s still not a good idea though
12:29 PM <_2257> yeah i dont see it as likely
12:29 PM <@Uniju> yeah im pretty sure nothing in town wouldnt have torches
12:29 PM <_2257> i also don't see what th eproblem is given that its very easy to just like
12:29 PM <@Uniju> i mean... there isnt even anywhere in town without torches on the surface is there
12:29 PM <_2257> back up the world manually
12:29 PM <@Uniju> other than maybe turb's stupid forest that he won't let us cut down
12:30 PM <_2257> use it
12:30 PM <_2257> and revert to the backup if somethign went wrong
12:30 PM <@Toadbert> hey i like that forest
12:30 PM <_2257> unless the world is so big that even one backup would overfill the server?
12:30 PM <Snack> yeah the turb forest is cool
12:30 PM <Snack> although it’s gotten kind of fucked by creepers and lightning
12:30 PM <@Toadbert> i fixed up a bunch of it
12:30 PM <@Uniju> worse case scenario i can manipulate the map locally
12:31 PM <@Uniju> i mean i would probably do that anyway rather than try to....... run mcedit on the server
12:31 PM <@Uniju> just to be clear
12:31 PM <Gabumon> god, I used that seed and I dont recognize shit
12:31 PM <Lord_Bowser> the mcedit thing told you to make backups anyway tbf
12:31 PM <@Uniju> are you guys like, adamant that the new princeton sea get coral
12:31 PM <@Toadbert> we cant get coral blocks at the moment
12:31 PM <@Uniju> because i already said i would remove the other oceans and you kept talking about it
12:31 PM <_2257> id like it but im not going to break anyone's arm about it
12:31 PM <@Toadbert> all anyone could do is grow kelp and sea grass and the nonblock coral
12:31 PM <Lord_Bowser> id like it too
12:32 PM <Lord_Bowser> and yeah coral blocks are nonrenewable
12:32 PM <@Toadbert> which seems weaksauce to me
12:32 PM <@Toadbert> i want blocks god damn it
12:32 PM <Gabumon> I'm on the fence
12:33 PM <@Toadbert> if blocks become craftable somehow
12:33 PM <@Toadbert> id say dont bother deleting oceans
12:33 PM <@Toadbert> if we want to spruce up town we can make a project out of manually doing it
12:33 PM <Snack> if right now file size isn’t actually a serious issue I see very little reason to delete any chunks save possibly the ocean north of the desert or past leominster
12:33 PM <_2257> hows he gonna figure out right now if thats going to be possible in the future
12:34 PM <Lord_Bowser> i can run the seed in amidst and post pics of the biomes around town
12:34 PM <@Toadbert> i thought we werent deleting anything right now anyway
12:34 PM <Snack> and even then I’d say that seems like a low priority
12:34 PM <Snack> thing
12:34 PM <Lord_Bowser> and that would show the new oceans thatd gen in 1.13
12:34 PM <_2257> well the autotrimmer only works through 1.12
12:34 PM <_2257> i think
12:34 PM <_2257> because they changed the world format
12:34 PM <_2257> also what is amidst
12:35 PM <Lord_Bowser> its a program that displays biomes and structures of any given seed
12:35 PM <_2257> didnt i already do that
12:35 PM <_2257> theres a coral reef by df's house and by uniju's tower
12:35 PM <_2257> and no ice anywhere near town that i could find
12:36 PM <Lord_Bowser> well, amidst is faster than going around manually i suppose
12:36 PM <@Toadbert> amidst is weird
12:36 PM <@Toadbert> it makes worlds seem so small
12:36 PM <Snack> minecraft worlds aren’t actually that big
12:42 PM <Gabumon> wait, I think I found a familiar landmass
12:43 PM <Gabumon> amazing
12:43 PM <@Toadbert> town got start in 1.7 i think
12:43 PM <@Toadbert> if you want to recognize that youd have to downgrade
12:43 PM <@Toadbert> started
12:43 PM <_2257> no, the major landmasses are all the same
12:44 PM <_2257> i tested this a while ago
12:44 PM <@Toadbert> really
12:44 PM <_2257> there are only small changes
12:44 PM <_2257> like swamps having the weird coastlines they added at some point
12:45 PM <Lord_Bowser> https://i.imgur.com/35bP8aq.png
12:45 PM <Lord_Bowser> thats the seed in amidst
12:46 PM <@Toadbert> i wonder when map generation started getting more cohesive between versions
12:46 PM <Lord_Bowser> the bright blue is warm oceans
12:46 PM <_2257> i dunno
12:47 PM <_2257> probably in whichever version they deleted a bunch of biome types at the latest
12:47 PM <Snack> yeah this is almost identical
12:47 PM <@Toadbert> like
12:47 PM <@Toadbert> 1.8 beta?????
12:47 PM <Lord_Bowser> seems the closest frozen ocean is a tiny one east of the mushroom island
12:47 PM <Gabumon> yeah, if this isnt the same landmass, thats a pretty huge coincidence
12:47 PM <Snack> trying the seed in 1.13.1 is I mean
12:47 PM <Lord_Bowser> so we wouldnt have to worry about ice at princeton
12:47 PM <_2257> yeah
12:47 PM <_2257> i remember doing it back in beta
12:47 PM <Snack> try teleporting to 200 ~ 200
12:47 PM <@Toadbert> wack
12:48 PM <_2257> and having like
12:48 PM <_2257> the same landmass, but suddenly it was covered in dead bush because they had just added that block
12:49 PM <Gabumon> is there a coral reef beneath the lighthouse of shame
12:49 PM <_2257> i guess its possible that after that they did something major that fucked it up again though
12:49 PM <_2257> yes
12:49 PM <Lord_Bowser> yeah edo
12:49 PM <Gabumon> lets replace the lighthouse with a coral reef