It started at [22:23]

[18:21] Azenclor: Well, awesome then!

[18:21] Azenclor: I thought I'd missed out there

[18:25] vitoruBr2: what should i put on my bonus preferences?

[18:26] Azenclor: Mostly exp/spawn, attack and attack power, unless you need elements for raids or something

[18:27] JRBaune: Is there any way I can increase the chances of gettng certain items to spawn over others?

[18:27] Azenclor: I don't think so, but you can filter some items with green enhancers

[18:30] ghostlord191: any point 500/500 bacon sword?

[18:31] vitoruBr2: just beat ToD for the first time, BoD potion block was infinite wtf

[18:31] billyjoeboucher: great way to get rid of extra bacon

[18:31] ZennyGil: You get more attack. It's actually cheaper to do it that way unless you have the infinite unique.

[18:35] Biggums425: ugh crit dmg in APOC is awful

[18:36] katkin56: Having high attack on Robro is very useful so the 500/500 is god if you can do it.

[18:37] katkin56: IF you have the infinite unique, you probably aren't going to need to ask the question - lol

[18:46] VTGames: Wish I could fuse Bacon Sword and an Ultimate Weapon

[18:47] Azenclor: So I just died during an invicibility buff

[18:47] Azenclor: **** CHAOS man

[18:48] Straxius: if I remember right someone said invincibility is just giving you max evade, so evasion ignoring attacks will still deal damage. not sure

[18:49] Rythmyo: poison maybe?

[18:50] Azenclor: nah, had just revived and was at full hp

[18:50] Azenclor: not sure what happened

[18:50] Azenclor: I was too psyched at the possibility of my first CHAOS u20 piece

[18:52] Rythmyo: not u25?

[18:52] VTGames: U20... why

[18:52] Azenclor: hcwm 10c

[18:52] Azenclor: isn't that 20?

[18:52] VTGames: that's u25

[18:52] Biggums425: lol

[18:53] Azenclor: oh, great!

[18:53] Rythmyo: 7 + chestsOpened, with an additional 8 in hardcore and 5 in apocalypse mode

[18:55] Azenclor: RNGejus is testing me

[18:56] Azenclor: CHAOS is keeping a constant blue/green aura

[18:56] VTGames: RNGesus is telling you you're not ready for u25 m8

[18:56] Azenclor: Got him to 5% :c

[18:57] Azenclor: after missing three infinity attacks

[18:57] VTGames: Wait you have ultimate weapon and you don't have u25?

[18:57] Rythmyo: yea CHAOS did that on my last 9k1. then i decided that 10 mins per boss fight too hard is

[18:58] Azenclor: should it be easy? I'm wearing f30 ish DS

[18:58] VTGames: Yeah it should be easily doable

[18:58] Azenclor: my build must suck

[18:59] VTGames: pastebin it

[18:59] Azenclor: should I be doing the Chaos attack thingie?

[18:59] Rythmyo: well, i almost killed him with ToD +6. i only lack a bit of dmg

[19:01] harrs2: What does attendence medal do?

[19:01] VTGames: read the description

[19:02] VTGames: all you need to know is that you want it

[19:02] qwertyuiopazs: what's the best weapon I can get with 2B pixels

[19:03] harrs2: It's not in my inventory

[19:03] harrs2: Did it ****ing get deleted because my inv is full?

[19:03] qwertyuiopazs: or alternatively a way to get a really good weapon

[19:03] qwertyuiopazs: currently I have something with 1.1k atk

[19:03] VTGames: Yes it was deleted because your inventory was full

[19:03] harrs2: That's ****ing bullshit

[19:04] Azenclor: GOT HIM

[19:04] qwertyuiopazs: k

[19:04] sulf: clear your inv and reenter BA

[19:04] sulf: should have the medal

[19:05] vitoruBr2: holy shit i just beat CHAOS too

[19:05] vitoruBr2: but on casual, 0c :p

[19:05] harrs2: Oh! Yeah it's there. Apologies for that outburst

[19:06] Rythmyo: i can understand it

[19:06] Rythmyo: wouldve been so mad

[19:06] Azenclor: aw man, I expected a lot more from u25 hahahaha I'd rather wear dragon slayer

[19:06] VTGames: It's rebirth gear

[19:07] Azenclor: I know, but DrS is only like 50 ranks higher and soooo much better

[19:07] Azenclor: Unless I'm missing something

[19:08] MadCallum: what unob is the drs?

[19:08] VTGames: 6

[19:08] VTGames: I'm pretty sure anyways

[19:08] VTGames: DeS is u6

[19:09] Azenclor: Yeah, it's 6 too (when gotten in casual)

[19:09] MadCallum: so the u25 is better when you need higher bonuses I guess. i.e. CS chip hunting

[19:09] MadCallum: hint it's double drop day

[19:09] Azenclor: I guess. It's not by a lot though, maybe if I can get a better build I'll get a set

[19:10] VTGames: It's the 30th here

[19:10] VTGames: Not double drop day

[19:10] MadCallum: i live in GMT

[19:11] Rythmyo: its 1.5x

[19:12] ZennyGil: If you want to know which ones are when

[19:12] ZennyGil: http://i.imgur.com/H5VaqOR.png

[19:13] Azenclor: About chip hunting, does drop rate matter? Or is it a fixed 10% drop rate from epics?

[19:13] VTGames: drop matters

[19:13] Rythmyo: 10% is jsut the cap

[19:13] Rythmyo: in some situations it doenst matter at all

[19:14] Azenclor: Ok. Any Drop/Epic ratio I should go for when going after censor sheep?

[19:14] Rythmyo: go for epic rate. censor sheep is already capped at lower droprate

[19:15] Azenclor: Ok! Thanks!

[19:15] Rythmyo: and in WM you have better epic chances

[19:16] Rythmyo: and rare chance helps too

[19:17] Azenclor: Huh, didn't know that. Should I balance epic and rare though?

[19:18] Rythmyo: rare is 1% and epic 2,5% if those arent outdated

[19:20] Rythmyo: and if i did the math (based on forum guides) right the 10% cap is reached with 100% droprate if you go WM

[19:21] Azenclor: Great! Does apoc help too much?

[19:21] MadCallum: ok first monster in SD gave a SI

[19:21] MadCallum: promising start

[19:21] Biggums425: grats

[19:21] Biggums425: what was it?

[19:21] MadCallum: green accessory

[19:21] Rythmyo: lol lucky guy-.

[19:22] Biggums425: ikr

[19:22] Rythmyo: the 1% chance is real =(

[19:22] MadCallum: I have all the purple's from crates, and an orange for armour

[19:23] MadCallum: i'm sure I'm going to drop duplicates for the rest of the day now

[19:25] FinalHero2: r u guise redy

[19:25] FinalHero2: 4 da ai consprecy

[19:25] FinalHero2: in garden

[19:25] FinalHero2: the worse tree

[19:25] FinalHero2: iz white

[19:25] FinalHero2: k

[19:25] FinalHero2: bes

[19:25] FinalHero2: bes tree iz blak

[19:26] FinalHero2: tukken is racist confirmed

[19:26] vitoruBr2: 10/10

[19:26] qrsmith: what

[19:27] FinalHero2: u dunt get it do u

[19:27] FinalHero2: here is moar praff

[19:28] FinalHero2: white coins exsist

[19:28] FinalHero2: black coins dunt

[19:28] FinalHero2: RACIST

[19:28] qrsmith: well also the grey tress are the best one..

[19:28] qrsmith: so your not even right in the first place

[19:29] qrsmith: black coins dont exist because the background is black and that would look gross

[19:29] FinalHero2: R U SAYIN

[19:29] FinalHero2: BLAK IS GRUSS??

[19:29] FinalHero2: RACIST

[19:29] MadCallum: and the red ones are better than black as well

[19:30] FinalHero2: red elitist

[19:30] FinalHero2: you disgust me

[19:30] Rythmyo: you are racist. no one was thinking of a skin color

[19:30] FinalHero2: tukken was

[19:30] qrsmith: just mute and move on

[19:30] FinalHero2: TUKKEN WAS

[19:41] VTGames: Who's Tukken? I only know a Tukkun

[19:47] Rythmyo: just a raging triangle

[19:47] jr637: Tekkun

[19:48] Rythmyo: TEKKEN

[19:48] Rythmyo: FIGHT

[19:54] jr637: FAITOO

[19:54] NerevarineLoL: http://i.imgur.com/wlSxRSp.gif

[19:59] gzackwebs: what do I enhance on ToD armour after I've maxed crit damage?

[20:03] MadCallum: atk

[20:06] noahlac: holy **** fishing costs a lot to unlock

[20:12] NerevarineLoL: its only a lot if you're poor

[20:13] Dillanmonk5: Well you

[20:13] Dillanmonk5: Well you're not wrong*

[20:20] elspood: is mining the best way to get ploot?

[20:24] Rythmyo: the easiest

[20:24] Rythmyo: but if you have too high drop chance only crystal armor will drop

[20:28] elspood: how high is too high?

[20:29] qrsmith: oh godamnit

[20:29] qrsmith: that was my problem trying toget it

[20:29] qrsmith: i had like 4k% drop rate

[20:30] elspood: i'm at 1.7k

[20:30] qrsmith: your probably o

[20:30] qrsmith: k

[20:30] elspood: just got a blue shirt, so yeah, i guess os

[20:33] elspood: no purple yet, hmmm

[20:35] elspood: maybe faster to do in SD after all

[20:35] sulf: yea lower your droprate to like 1k

[20:36] sulf: and never use V

[20:37] sulf: I've been mining for like a week to get SC1 chips, kinda hard

[20:37] elspood: yeah, they suck

[20:37] elspood: i want to use v on the SC1s and not on the others

[20:38] elspood: blah, 831 drop and it's still mostly crystal

[20:38] elspood: oh there we go

[20:50] fallingskies17: I did 2 CGTs in one corr window. Yay

[20:51] RebirthofJimmy: wew Fully leveled up the empowering gem

[20:56] elspood: how does the GoGL mechanic work? is it a small chance to get perfect stats across the board, or just a better chance for perfect on each individual stat

[20:56] Rythmyo: 10% chance to get perfect stat.

[20:57] Rythmyo: thats calculated for each stat

[20:57] elspood: so it's like a .1% chance to get perfect in three stats that you want?

[20:58] Rythmyo: 50% sry.

[20:58] Rythmyo: its2^-n chance to get perfect item with n stats

[20:59] elspood: k thx

[21:00] Rythmyo: so 1.5% for 6stats

[21:01] ZennyGil: 3.125% because why would you care about defense.

[21:01] elspood: ^

[21:01] elspood: still pretty crappy

[21:02] elspood: this will be a LOT of mining

[21:02] elspood: guess it'll serve toward SSS quest, though...

[21:05] Rythmyo: SSS quest?

[21:06] Dillanmonk5: Is Lolmarket calming to anyone else, or is it just me?

[21:06] elspood: http://pastebin.com/qc2Gy1au

[21:06] elspood: i'm looking at the drop mechanics guide - it seems to suggest there's some sort of stat penalty for drops from crystals?

[21:06] ZennyGil: That says "rank 7 Achievements". Nice try though.

[21:08] Rythmyo: why is that another aviement list?^^

[21:08] ZennyGil: Because the old one needs to be updated.

[21:08] sulf: Just noticed the 500k mining achievement. That's a lot, don't know why I don't remember much complaining about it.

[21:08] elspood: 500k is pretty terrible

[21:08] ZennyGil: Because a lot of people have it done already.

[21:09] sulf: Seriously, 500k... that might be a month just mining.

[21:09] elspood: such a waste of idle time

[21:09] Rythmyo: and this will be the new achiviement list in game?

[21:10] elspood: very speculatively

[21:10] ZennyGil: I do have to say that 20x is a bit excessive.

[21:10] ZennyGil: I guess that was done to match the area kill count ones or something.

[21:11] elspood: i think tukkun looked at high scores, too

[21:12] ZennyGil: Is there even a public highscore for that? I don't see one.

[21:12] Rythmyo: i was never the achievement guy, so ill jsut ignore it^^

[21:13] MrHappy4311: are there stat pages that give the percentage to tame a monster?

[21:14] ZennyGil: "Kill epics" covers like 95%.

[21:14] elspood: sweet, i think i got perfect ploot gloves already

[21:14] elspood: oh, nm

[21:14] Rythmyo: http://www.kongregate.com/forums/60-anti-idle-the-game/topics/413674-guide-new-invisible-allies

[21:14] elspood: they were all just nice round numbers

[21:15] Rythmyo: taming guide

[21:15] MrHappy4311: dumb question: so I just noticed that I have a bunch of chips that i can make now. Did I pick those up from the monsters?

[21:15] fallingskies17: I wish I could get GoGL and GoC

[21:15] fallingskies17: Too expensive

[21:15] MrHappy4311: also, is that how you get an ultra?

[21:15] ZennyGil: That's via chips.

[21:15] MrHappy4311: Oh and thank you, Rhythmyo

[21:15] Mefapolism: How do you get the four-leaf clover?

[21:15] Rythmyo: yea GoGl is rly expensiv xD

[21:16] ZennyGil: You can "preview" them if you check the crafting windows. There a few there.

[21:16] Rythmyo: gamblers box. with 0.1% chance or something like that oyu get four leaf clover

[21:16] ZennyGil: Correct. It's 0.1%.

[21:16] Rythmyo: if think ill be able to buy GoGl if you just adventure enough

[21:17] noahlac: why am i so bad at deathmatch

[21:17] ZennyGil: Don't just buy it, level it too.

[21:17] ZennyGil: http://i.imgur.com/jLDWzTV.png

[21:17] Rythmyo: bad stats?

[21:17] Dillanmonk5: Deathmatch is a pain, but I find it easier to just jump in there when someone is about to die and kill steal

[21:19] VTGames: That's how it's done

[21:20] VTGames: I don

[21:20] VTGames: 't have the energy to do it anymore

[21:20] Rythmyo: how can i mark tiles in mindsweeper?

[21:20] VTGames: you don't

[21:21] ZennyGil: http://i.imgur.com/gISohIM.png

[21:21] ZennyGil: You can.

[21:21] Rythmyo: ahh F

[21:21] Rythmyo: ty

[21:21] Rythmyo: im at a stage where its worth to mark

[21:22] Rythmyo: with many 0 and 1 you can work better than with 5 and 3 xD

[21:23] ZennyGil: With 0s, yes. 1s are horrible if alone.

[21:24] Rythmyo: now the time limit kicks in... and i thought it was a useless upgrade lol

[21:26] noahlac: wtf

[21:26] noahlac: on mindsweeper

[21:26] noahlac: i just clicked on the second level and got the blue dot straight away?

[21:26] idle856: luck

[21:26] idle856: it can happen

[21:27] noahlac: i dont get all the numbers tbh. just clicking everywhere until i realise i dont like this game

[21:27] Rythmyo: the first 20 lvls are very much RNG

[21:27] idle856: ALL the levels are random

[21:27] ZennyGil: A 1/200 chance, 0.5%. It happens.

[21:27] Rythmyo: VERY MUCH

[21:27] noahlac: wtf is this kid smoking

[21:27] Rythmyo: after that rng gets much lower

[21:27] noahlac: how do you think a level is generated without randomness

[21:28] idle856: how so

[21:28] noahlac: uwot no it doesnt?

[21:28] ZennyGil: The best way to understand the game is to try to clear the first board as much as you can and observe it.

[21:28] Rythmyo: i just mean that after 20 lvls you need more tactics

[21:29] idle856: after 20 levels your lucky to stil be playing

[21:29] Rythmyo: before lvl 20 its 80% rng^^ after it maybe 40%

[21:29] idle856: how

[21:29] idle856: the randomness doesn't go away

[21:29] noahlac: wtf

[21:29] Rythmyo: it kinda does

[21:29] idle856: its still click and get lucky

[21:29] Rythmyo: nah

[21:29] noahlac: no not really its still random

[21:29] idle856: and on top you need more luclk because you have less clicks

[21:30] Rythmyo: after 20 lvls you get 0 more often

[21:30] idle856: ah

[21:30] idle856: that would help actually

[21:30] noahlac: thats STILL random

[21:30] Rythmyo: if you get 0 you can say that 8 tiles are useless

[21:30] idle856: but still

[21:30] idle856: play RANKED for a change

[21:30] idle856: instead of of unranked :p

[21:30] Rythmyo: are yous tupid or what? i said 40%., jsut less RNG, more skill

[21:30] noahlac: no its still 100% random

[21:30] noahlac: do you know what rng is?

[21:30] Rythmyo: you are stupid

[21:30] ZennyGil: It's still heavily luck-based, you just have less to work with.

[21:30] idle856: the numbers give a lot of helpful info

[21:30] noahlac: random number generation. it still generates a random board

[21:30] idle856: guys, stop insulkting each other

[21:31] th3anbu: implying there is no such thing as preloaded content

[21:31] idle856: you are just misunderstanding

[21:31] Rythmyo: if you can predict 1 number

[21:31] th3anbu: everything is rng

[21:31] noahlac: i dont understand what is wrong with you

[21:31] ZennyGil: I would prefer an arrow that cuts the board in half or so than a 9 tiles remover like the 0s.

[21:31] Rythmyo: its not rng anymore

[21:31] th3anbu: there is no logic

[21:31] th3anbu: just random

[21:31] Rythmyo: becuase you know the number behind the tile

[21:31] Rythmyo: there is a logic system

[21:31] th3anbu: i know i was joking

[21:31] noahlac: are you autistic?

[21:32] Dillanmonk5: Noahlac, you need to simmer down right now

[21:32] idle856: welp goodnight

[21:32] idle856: im washing my hands of this

[21:32] th3anbu: noah you realise a computer can compute as you perform tasks right

[21:32] Rythmyo: maybe i am. but what has that to do with it^^

[21:32] th3anbu: and "rig" things in its favor making it not random

[21:32] jr637: This argument has given me terminal cancer.

[21:32] Rythmyo: btw there is no 100% randomness

[21:32] Rythmyo: at least not a generated one

[21:33] th3anbu: there is an rng that uses values taken from athmospheric readings

[21:33] noahlac: th3anbu i work as a programmer. predominantly in back-end applications for databasing and communications networks, but i thanks i do know how a computer works

[21:33] Rythmyo: then you would know that there is no true RNG

[21:33] th3anbu: ok as such you must 100% know everything about the code of this flash game from observation

[21:33] shadowwhat: Syntax errors for days.

[21:34] ZennyGil: There is never perfect randomness because physics and because pseudo randomness. But it's not like it matter for anything. It's just semantics at that point.

[21:34] noahlac: when did we start talking about this? its just some kid trying to tell us that a random game stops being as random as it was somehow

[21:34] th3anbu: like the fcg decks

[21:35] Rythmyo: it doesnt stop beeing random

[21:35] ZennyGil: What caused it was :

[21:35] Rythmyo: but you can predict the randomness mroe and more

[21:35] ZennyGil: [21:26] noahlac: wtf [21:26] noahlac: on mindsweeper [21:26] noahlac: i just clicked on the second level and got the blue dot straight away?

[21:35] th3anbu: to increase difficulty you need to introduce variation to the randomness

[21:35] th3anbu: which by nature makes it less random

[21:35] noahlac: yes zenny that was chance. also, on the wiki page, it says that the first box you click will always be an arrow. i was confused

[21:36] Rythmyo: no to increase difficulty you make the hints appear less often

[21:36] ZennyGil: No need to explain to me what chance is. I was quoting.

[21:36] Rythmyo: or set a time limit

[21:36] noahlac: i dont understand why you were quoting

[21:36] noahlac: it has nothing to do with what we are talking about

[21:36] ZennyGil: [21:34] noahlac: when did we start talking about this?

[21:36] ZennyGil: Because that.

[21:36] noahlac: no, we started talking about it before that thanks

[21:36] Rythmyo: lol what a troll

[21:37] noahlac: scroll back mate, stop trying to be some legendary hero and breaking down an argument

[21:37] Rythmyo: and i got triggered by him )(

[21:37] ZennyGil: Before that, we were talking about flagging tiles and end-game of mindsweeper.

[21:37] th3anbu: says the guy who called him autistic lol

[21:37] th3anbu: cant break down an argument

[21:37] th3anbu: but mocking mental illness is cool

[21:38] Rythmyo: its not rly mental illness. not always^^

[21:38] th3anbu: true this kid is physically autistic

[21:38] noahlac: i didnt call him autistic i asked if he was autistic

[21:38] th3anbu: dont be pedantic

[21:38] Dillanmonk5: As a person with autism I can confirm it is not an illness

[21:38] noahlac: his reasoning hurts my brain with how retarded it is

[21:38] th3anbu: dont be pedantic

[21:38] Rythmyo: now he draws the ""passiv aggresiv" i didnt offend you" card

[21:39] Dillanmonk5: Noahlac, you're not quite helping your own case here

[21:39] noahlac: no i did offend you

[21:39] noahlac: it was why i asked

[21:40] noahlac: to offend you and outline that your reasoning resembles that of an autistic child

[21:40] Rythmyo: so he he won ?

[21:40] Rythmyo: and you cant udnerstand his gr8 mind^^

[21:40] th3anbu: shiggy

[21:42] Rythmyo: idk mindsweeper just feels more predictable in later lvls becuase of the "0"

[21:42] Rythmyo: i cant predict whats around a 1 or a 5. but i can perfectly predict whats around 0

[21:43] th3anbu: statistically it should be because of it

[21:43] th3anbu: because its technically precise information

[21:43] th3anbu: by comparison anyway

[21:43] ZennyGil: I still prefer arrows. Red numbers also.

[21:44] Rythmyo: should be "what"?^^

[21:44] th3anbu: more predictable

[21:44] th3anbu: assuming your brain is as capable at predicting as a computer

[21:45] th3anbu: which it never will be

[21:45] Rythmyo: marking the 8 tiles around the 0 isnt that hard xD

[21:45] th3anbu: i know

[21:45] th3anbu: but for other numbers too

[21:46] Rythmyo: yea thats jsut about the last 1% of perfection^^

[21:46] hormiga1: rng is not real rng

[21:46] th3anbu: thats what my statement relies on

[21:47] th3anbu: a computer could eventually predict the game within boundaries of likelihood

[21:47] Rythmyo: oh you go that far. mhh.

[21:47] th3anbu: but for a human the early stages are easier because of are pattern spotting ability

[21:48] Rythmyo: where to start is also important^^

[21:48] hormiga1: yeah but the problem is the rng

[21:51] fcrick: rng is not real rng?

[21:52] th3anbu: no its not truly random

[21:52] th3anbu: everything is inherently ordered to some degree

[21:52] fcrick: like all rngs?

[21:52] th3anbu: everything in the universe actually

[21:52] Rythmyo: if 2 arrows show in the same direction the blue dot is most likely ahead

[21:52] th3anbu: rng in computers is very organised compared to some things

[21:53] fcrick: like all rngs?

[21:53] th3anbu: yes like all rngs

[21:53] Rythmyo: there could rly be randomness in the real world

[21:54] Karahitokage: life isn't random.

[21:54] Rythmyo: but some ppl say we jsut dont have enough information

[21:54] Karahitokage: just very stupid

[21:54] th3anbu: nah even things like gas particles move in an ordered state

[21:54] th3anbu: the only total state of disorder is the heat death of the universe

[21:54] Rythmyo: if you look and quantum physics

[21:54] th3anbu: and i might be wrong but that hasnt happened yet

[21:55] Rythmyo: you imply that time follows your rules xD

[21:55] Karahitokage: quantum physics is fun but I am far too stupid to understand some of that stuff.

[21:55] th3anbu: well

[21:56] th3anbu: from my perspective it hasnt happened yet

[21:56] th3anbu: and from my perspective its possible it never will

[21:56] Karahitokage: what if life is just someone dreaming of someone else dream?

[21:56] th3anbu: but in the grand scheme of things that doesnt mean much

[21:57] Rythmyo: rick and morty is a gr8 series about those things

[21:57] th3anbu: if a dream could be this complete and detailed it would be the dream of a god

[21:57] Karahitokage: Rick and Morty ended with the 2nd season. Is there any more of it being made or what?

[21:57] Rythmyo: there will be a 3rd one i think

[21:58] QuestLogic: yeah, it's a big ratings hit for adult swim, it'll probably be run into the ground / ongoing until dan harmon finally loses his shit completely

[21:58] Dillanmonk5: It's expected to return in 2017

[21:58] Karahitokage: I'm a God when lucid dreaming. So that kinda make sense

[21:58] Karahitokage: too bad my recall is crap.

[21:59] Karahitokage: so I don't remember any of it most of the time

[21:59] Rythmyo: you can dream lucid? ^

[21:59] QuestLogic: if you like r&m i'd suggest watching some of community, it has some of the same heady meta comedy

[21:59] Karahitokage: lucid dream, being aware that you are dreaming while still in the dream itself

[21:59] th3anbu: i taught myself how to do it

[21:59] th3anbu: its not very restful though

[21:59] Karahitokage: pretty easy to do

[22:00] Rythmyo: depends on the person

[22:00] Karahitokage: I find it more enjoyable.

[22:00] Rythmyo: atm i cant do it , only by luck.

[22:00] Karahitokage: I am god at lucid dreaming and dream control

[22:00] Rythmyo: but 5 years ago i was doing it every dream

[22:00] Karahitokage: only short coming is recall for me

[22:00] th3anbu: ive been told when i lucid dream i dont move my eyes

[22:00] Rythmyo: until i realized how addicted it can be

[22:01] th3anbu: i thought lucid dreaming was meant to be REM sleep only

[22:01] Rythmyo: notonly

[22:01] th3anbu: well mostly

[22:01] Rythmyo: you can wake up by willpower

[22:01] Rythmyo: if you know that its a dream. jsut open your eyes

[22:02] Karahitokage: some people start lucid dreaming like within a second of falling asleep

[22:02] Rythmyo: thats how i escaped my bad dreams when i was 7

[22:02] Karahitokage: call a MILD or something like that

[22:02] Karahitokage: maybe a WILD

[22:02] Rythmyo: what?^^

[22:03] Karahitokage: http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/wake-induced-lucid-dreams.html

[22:04] Rythmyo: i dont like instructions like that.

[22:04] Karahitokage: well I am doing something on anti-idle that require me to keep my eye on it

[22:05] Karahitokage: just google WILD lucid dreaming to have better info

[22:05] Karahitokage: the basic idea is simple though, trick your body to fall asleep before your mind

[22:05] Rythmyo: i dont want to do it ^^

[22:06] Karahitokage: only posted that because someone stated they thought you could only dream in REM sleep

[22:07] Rythmyo: to look in a mirror in a dream is funny too

[22:08] Karahitokage: had a nightmare recently, my TV ate me. Scary as hell at the time but remembering it now while awake...It was silly as it could be

[22:08] Karahitokage: I hate mirrors in waking life

[22:08] Karahitokage: in dreams though they may as well not exist to me. I guess because I rarely use them

[22:08] Rythmyo: why?

[22:09] Karahitokage: because it just creepy to think about

[22:09] Rythmyo: i think you have to want to look into one or it wont happen

[22:09] Karahitokage: let me see if I can find the gif

[22:10] Karahitokage: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/41/1c/88/411c887a01477c58396477b9a6bc2216.jpg

[22:11] Karahitokage: one of my fears is that the mirror me won't copy me one day

[22:11] Rythmyo: if that happens it would be gr8

[22:12] Rythmyo: to discover a new law of physics^^

[22:13] Rythmyo: i jsut think logicaly about it. its just light.

[22:13] Rythmyo: and in a dream it can express how you see yourself. or how you think others see your appearance

[22:13] th3anbu: just grinded for a whole set of ToD and im not high enough rank to use it still

[22:14] Rythmyo: grind more for the right bonuses^^

[22:14] Karahitokage: I often think of my self being uglier than what I really am.

[22:15] th3anbu: doesnt everyone do that

[22:15] th3anbu: its to do with societal pressures

[22:15] Karahitokage: not everyone

[22:15] Rythmyo: yea thats how i saw myself too. was funny to see how my subconscious thinks.

[22:16] Rythmyo: all the things i ever saw in a bad way were pointed out xD

[22:16] Karahitokage: I wouldn't call myself ugly, just lazy. I don't brush my hair unless I want to

[22:16] dinodude232: ^

[22:17] Rythmyo: at the same time i also like a bit how i wanted to be seen. just with some flaws xD

[22:17] Rythmyo: also looked*

[22:17] Karahitokage: people who look too perfect often look creepier then normal people

[22:18] Karahitokage: guess that is just the uncanny valley though, you expect X and get Y instead

[22:18] Rythmyo: yea try to mirror a persons face for perfect symmetri. it looks creepy^^

[22:19] th3anbu: would 60% attack be better for ToD or 40% boss damage?

[22:20] Rythmyo: depends on how much boss dmg and attack you laready have

[22:20] Karahitokage: few more harvests and my free tree mastery will increase

[22:22] Rythmyo: if you have not much boss dmg then bossmdg is bette

[22:23] ZennyGil: Now that I took a closer look, minesweeper arrows really aren't as nice as I though.

[22:23] ZennyGil: You would think they would point to the shortest path, but nope.

[22:23] Obliviouskey: they're boundaries

[22:23] ZennyGil: Unless they are right in the same row or column, it's random.

[22:23] ZennyGil: Just take a look : http://i.imgur.com/PzzIlWm.png

[22:24] ZennyGil: I can understand diagonals (Yellow), but everything is is just waste.

[22:24] Cadrigar: for fast rebirths, if i have festive how long should i use it?

[22:24] ZennyGil: everything else* is

[22:25] Rythmyo: i dotn udnerstand why you colored them^^

[22:26] ZennyGil: Just to make it easier to look at them.

[22:26] Rythmyo: but they are all the time.

[22:26] Rythmyo: same*

[22:26] ZennyGil: You would think those groups "should" all points all in the same direction.

[22:27] Rythmyo: no.

[22:27] ZennyGil: Green down, cyan left, blue up and magenta right.

[22:27] Rythmyo: they war always pointing at a wall

[22:27] ZennyGil: Since the goal is more in that direction than the other direction.

[22:28] Rythmyo: you think too much of the direction

[22:28] Rythmyo: if the arrow shows you right then you jsut know that it cant be on the left side

[22:28] ZennyGil: If it worked like that, the arrows would provide better info on the goal's location.

[22:28] Rythmyo: if you have those green ones. one left , one right

[22:29] Rythmyo: then you know it can only be between them

[22:30] ZennyGil: Normally, those would be way more spaced out than that.

[22:30] Rythmyo: ?

[22:32] ZennyGil: The board is 20x10, having 2 arrows facing each other on 3 tiles, the middle being the space left out, doesn't happen very often. Since arrows exists, you try to aim usually for the middle of the remaining tiles.

[22:32] ZennyGil: Instead of waiting precious turns on arrows that makes you go back and forth, might as well point in the most logical direction to begin with.

[22:32] Rythmyo: yea thats how you do it

[22:33] Rythmyo: begin in the middle. then the board gets halved

[22:33] Rythmyo: then the middle of the new board.

[22:33] Rythmyo: and so on until you get a number or the blue dot

[22:34] ZennyGil: ... clearly, I'm talking about this technical aspect of the game to the wrong person.

[22:36] Rythmyo: jsut say what you want lol

[22:39] Rythmyo: its very unclear what you want ? do you dont understand the arrows or do you want a different system?

[22:40] ZennyGil: Assumptions. Turned out false. Disappointment. Possible usefulness wasted. Lack of practicality.

[22:40] ZennyGil: That was the gist of it.

[22:41] Rythmyo: thats what you did and not what you want

[22:41] ZennyGil: ... do I need to "want" something to start a discussion?

[22:42] Rythmyo: yes?

[22:42] Karahitokage: I want ice cream

[22:42] Karahitokage: discussion please

[22:42] Rythmyo: why should you discuss something if you dont wanna know anything^^

[22:43] ZennyGil: Actually, yes, I do want something. I want to talk to someone that understand logical thoughts.

[22:44] Rythmyo: logical? that was far away from logic

[22:44] Karahitokage: I am logical but also very stupid. I am basically a low int but high wisdom character

[22:44] Rythmyo: logic would be to color all the arrows facing in direction in the same color

[22:45] Rythmyo: you jsut saw it different. i understand what how you saw it. i saw it the same first. but you have a fatal flaw in your asumption

[22:46] Karahitokage: not really fatal if you admit that you saw it the same way at first

[22:46] Rythmyo: not fatal because i saw it different too?

[22:48] dinodude232: I got 163 perfect notes in MMR

[22:48] dinodude232: on song 1

[22:48] ZennyGil: The fatal flaw here is the fact that you failed to understand my point and started to talk about random crap that's not relevant.

[22:49] ZennyGil: thus deepening the confusion even more.

[22:51] Rythmyo: mhh k. i wont give you a 3rd try lol. complain all you want but clearly you are the one that failed to point out what you want. i understood the system from the beginning.

[22:51] Rythmyo: there are always 2 sides of understanding

[22:51] ZennyGil: I already said that was a wrong assumption to begin with, yet you try to explain how it works. I know. Then I used an example. You explained the basic strategy related to the example I just gave. What.

[22:52] ZennyGil: 2 sides to a conflict you mean.

[22:52] ZennyGil: Things can mean many things, but you shouldn't have many "understandings".

[22:52] Rythmyo: yea you had a wrong assumption. so i showed you the right one.

[22:53] Rythmyo: then you used example and i said thats how you di it

[22:53] ZennyGil: No shit it's wrong, I said that. I even started with that.

[22:53] ZennyGil: [22:23] ZennyGil: Now that I took a closer look, minesweeper arrows really aren't as nice as I though.

[22:53] ZennyGil: [22:23] ZennyGil: You would think they would point to the shortest path, but nope.

[22:54] Rythmyo: how can i know if you know how it works or not

[22:54] Rythmyo: you jsut said that you know how it doesnt works

[22:55] ZennyGil: because the next thing I said was : [22:23] ZennyGil: Unless they are right in the same row or column, it's random.

[22:55] Rythmyo: btw i dont see a a conflict here. you are the only one insulting a random person^^

[22:55] Rythmyo: no its not random-.-

[22:55] ZennyGil: random, as in, a 50/50 between the 2 possible directions.

[22:55] ZennyGil: Of course it wont point the other way, seriously...

[22:55] Rythmyo: that doesnt matter to the playstyle

[22:56] ZennyGil: Yes it matter! That's valuable info lost!

[22:56] ZennyGil: That's the whole reason why I'm talking about it to begin with!

[22:56] Rythmyo: it halves the board anyways

[22:57] ZennyGil: That's not an excuse when you get far enough in the game and barely get any non white number tiles. Every extra info matters at that point.

[22:58] Rythmyo: if you look close its not an extra information

[22:59] Brobus: Wow. I'm kinda in awe here. This is definitely the longest conversation I've ever seen / heard about Mind Sweeper. I'm going to have to drink a beer while I ponder the wisdom that has been shared here.

[22:59] ZennyGil: Please do.

[22:59] ZennyGil: At least drink for me.

[23:00] Rythmyo: it was never a disscussion xD

[23:00] ZennyGil: [22:23]-[23:00]

[23:01] Rythmyo: whats about those numbers

[23:02] ZennyGil: To be fair, it's not a discussion when the other party doesn't understa- ... are you for real?!

[23:02] Rythmyo: i only see you insulting.

[23:02] ZennyGil: I don't insult, I just point out things.

[23:02] Rythmyo: you dont even try to point out what where you want to go

[23:02] ZennyGil: You will never see me do any name-calling.

[23:03] Brobus: *chuckle* - I think I'll have to drink two beers.

[23:03] Rythmyo: thats the worst kind of insult

[23:03] ZennyGil: You, on the other wand...

[23:03] Rythmyo: the one that cant say it straight into the face.

[23:03] ZennyGil: [21:30] Rythmyo: you are stupid

[23:03] ZennyGil: I see that you do not shy from it.

[23:03] ZennyGil: hand*

[23:04] Rythmyo: quoting without context is just stupid

[23:04] ZennyGil: Again. Wow. I would never do name-calling like that.

[23:04] ZennyGil: If you want context, I can provide it.

[23:05] Rythmyo: no jsut in general

[23:05] urzaslayer: whats going on here?

[23:05] dinodude232: argument of some sort

[23:05] urzaslayer: oh baby

[23:05] Obliviouskey: everyone needs a multi ITT

[23:05] Rythmyo: its worse to insult someone passiv aggresivly

[23:06] urzaslayer: so whats the discussion about?

[23:06] Rythmyo: everyone know who you mean. but still you fear to be directly

[23:06] ZennyGil: Arrows tiles in mindsweper.

[23:06] urzaslayer: maybe we can work through it as friends

[23:06] ZennyGil: Can't you tell?

[23:06] ZennyGil: It's obvious.

[23:06] ZennyGil: Like seriously.

[23:06] ZennyGil: I'm so subtle right now.

[23:07] ZennyGil: For real.

[23:07] ZennyGil: You guys.

[23:07] Rythmyo: you are so cool

[23:08] ZennyGil: You added nothing to make it sarcastic.

[23:09] ZennyGil: I guess the "so", but you didn't even stretch it or anything.

[23:09] Rythmyo: lol wtf is wrong with you

[23:09] Rythmyo: im a direct person

[23:09] Rythmyo: i mean it how i say it

[23:10] Rythmyo: stop your girly indrect analytics bullshit

[23:10] ZennyGil: But I get so great results from it.

[23:10] ZennyGil: Why on earth should I stop.

[23:11] Rythmyo: why not?

[23:11] ZennyGil: Also, why the hell would you tell me what to do? I'm not telling you to stop insulting people or anything.

[23:11] Rythmyo: you insult all the itme yourself

[23:11] ZennyGil: Quote me then.

[23:11] dinodude232: Clicking a False Greg is worse than miss clicking

[23:11] ZennyGil: Ready, 3...2...1... go!

[23:12] ZennyGil: [21:30] Rythmyo: are yous tupid or what? i said 40%., jsut less RNG, more skill

[23:12] ZennyGil: [21:30] Rythmyo: you are stupid

[23:12] ZennyGil: [23:04] Rythmyo: quoting without context is just stupid

[23:12] Rythmyo: ZennyGil: ... clearly, I'm talking about this technical aspect of the game to the wrong person.

[23:13] Rythmyo: ZennyGil: Actually, yes, I do want something. I want to talk to someone that understand logical thoughts.

[23:13] Rythmyo: The fatal flaw here is the fact that you failed to understand my point and started to talk about random crap that's not relevant.

[23:13] Rythmyo: 2 sides to a conflict you mean.

[23:14] Rythmyo: To be fair, it's not a discussion when the other party doesn't understa- ...

[23:14] Rythmyo: I don't insult, I just point out things

[23:14] Rythmyo: ZennyGil: [21:30] Rythmyo: you are stupid

[23:14] Rythmyo: Again. Wow. I would never do name-calling like that.

[23:14] ZennyGil: That was me quoting.

[23:15] ZennyGil: And I don't remember ever calling someone "stupid". Ever.

[23:15] Rythmyo: it was an insult that you quote a since sentence out of context to discredit me

[23:16] ZennyGil: How can "You are stupid" be taken out of context in such a way that it changes its meaning exactly?

[23:16] Rythmyo: you basicaly said: "YOU are such a bad guy. IM so good. I NEVER INSULT I JSUT POINT OUT HOW SHIT YOU ARE. now go away bad person"

[23:17] ZennyGil: No I did not, I would appreciate if you didn't put words in my mouth, thank you.

[23:17] Rythmyo: i would fight you mentally but you arent armed.

[23:17] Rythmyo: not an insult?

[23:17] ZennyGil: And I would prefer if you stayed as a matter of fact.

[23:17] Rythmyo: i jsut pointed out that the opponent has no mind

[23:17] Rythmyo: no insult at all

[23:18] ZennyGil: If I really wanted you to leave, I would refer you to room #2 or something like that.

[23:18] ZennyGil: Or mute you, there's always that.

[23:18] ZennyGil: But I wont.

[23:19] Rythmyo: ZennyGil:I don't insult, I just point out things

[23:20] ZennyGil: That is correct.

[23:20] ZennyGil: Many things.

[23:20] Rythmyo: yea you only point out how you think im dumb. thats an insult

[23:20] ZennyGil: Like that fact that you have 6 ascensions. That's great.

[23:21] ZennyGil: At the very least anyway.

[23:22] ZennyGil: Many people don't even reach 1.

[23:25] Rythmyo: mhh ok?