snoonet #futuristparty logs June 11th

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Jun 10 17:31:11 *	Now talking on #futuristparty
Jun 10 17:31:11 *	Topic for #futuristparty is: Environmentalism, State Registrations, Social Media
Jun 10 17:31:11 *	Topic for #futuristparty set by Xenophon1!Xenophon1@user/Xenophon1 at Wed Jun 04 21:55:11 2014
Jun 10 17:31:12 <Qasaur>	people don't vote Golden Dawn in Greece because they are neo-nazis
Jun 10 17:31:20 <EdEnlightenU>	honestly the average voter doesn't care much about policy I feel
Jun 10 17:31:23 <EdEnlightenU>	mostly marketing
Jun 10 17:31:26 <Qasaur>	they vote for them because they come with solutions that others don't provide
Jun 10 17:31:28 <EdEnlightenU>	smart voters care about policy
Jun 10 17:31:41 <EdEnlightenU>	yea
Jun 10 17:31:47 <Qasaur>	EdEnlightenU: it might be like that in America, but here in Europe it's very different
Jun 10 17:31:48 <EdEnlightenU>	UBI is what will win us elections
Jun 10 17:31:51 <Qasaur>	yes
Jun 10 17:31:52 <Qasaur>	agreed
Jun 10 17:31:54 <Qasaur>	very much agreed
Jun 10 17:32:08 <EdEnlightenU>	it directly benefits 99% of the population
Jun 10 17:32:11 <Qasaur>	but the major parties will probably also adopt UBI in that case
Jun 10 17:32:15 <EdEnlightenU>	and debatebly the 1% as well
Jun 10 17:32:23 <Qasaur>	and thus the downfall of the EURP/USFP, so we can't be a single issue party
Jun 10 17:32:28 <Qasaur>	we saw what happened with the pirate party
Jun 10 17:32:57 <EdEnlightenU>	yea I agree we have to form our own party
Jun 10 17:33:08 <EdEnlightenU>	I feel the republican party is going to get hit hard in the next two decades
Jun 10 17:33:12 <EdEnlightenU>	in the US at least
Jun 10 17:33:18 <EdEnlightenU>	they are so stuck in their ways
Jun 10 17:33:57 <EdEnlightenU>	yea I agree we can't be a single issue party
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Jun 10 21:46:39 *	Now talking on #futuristparty
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Jun 11 19:12:00 *	Now talking on #futuristparty
Jun 11 19:12:00 *	Topic for #futuristparty is: Environmentalism, State Registrations, Social Media
Jun 11 19:12:00 *	Topic for #futuristparty set by Xenophon1!Xenophon1@user/Xenophon1 at Wed Jun 04 21:55:50 2014
Jun 11 19:19:12 <EdEnlightenU>	hey houshalter
Jun 11 19:19:21 <Houshalter>	hello
Jun 11 19:19:42 <EdEnlightenU>	how's everything going?
Jun 11 19:20:01 <EdEnlightenU>	what'd you think of the ChatBox beating the Turing Test
Jun 11 19:20:56 <Xenophon1>	Kurzweil has a word to say on that
Jun 11 19:21:11 <EdEnlightenU>	I saw the headline but didn't read it
Jun 11 19:21:14 <EdEnlightenU>	have a tldr?
Jun 11 19:21:16 <Xenophon1>	http://www.kurzweilai.net/response-by-ray-kurzweil-to-the-announcement-of-chatbot-eugene-goostman-passing-the-turing-test
Jun 11 19:21:42 <Xenophon1>	"I chatted with the chatbot Eugene Goostman, and was not impressed. Eugene does not keep track of the conversation, repeats himself word for word, and often responds with typical chatbot non sequiturs."
Jun 11 19:22:34 <EdEnlightenU>	interesting
Jun 11 19:22:43 <EdEnlightenU>	google must have something better
Jun 11 19:23:18 <Houshalter>	I  believe the web version is a much older version of the program
Jun 11 19:23:40 <Houshalter>	the press release described it as running on a supercomputer and I doubt the web version has that much resources
Jun 11 19:24:17 <Houshalter>	for example there is an offline version of clever bot that does 20 passes over it's database instead of 4l ike the web version, and uses more advanced machine learning
Jun 11 19:29:59 <EdEnlightenU>	interesting
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Jun 11 19:42:43 *	Xenophon1 has changed the topic to: Logo, Growth, Marketing
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Jun 11 19:51:15 <EdEnlightenU>	hey Necrotica
Jun 11 19:51:18 <EdEnlightenU>	hey Ristopher
Jun 11 19:51:22 <Ristopher>	Hey all
Jun 11 19:51:23 <EdEnlightenU>	hey kitzuni
Jun 11 19:51:29 <Ristopher>	brb, going to fix dinner
Jun 11 19:51:33 <EdEnlightenU>	k
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Jun 11 19:52:13 <Necrotica>	hey
Jun 11 19:52:44 <EdEnlightenU>	hey techietotoro
Jun 11 19:52:57 <EdEnlightenU>	what'd you guys thing of MaidSafe?
Jun 11 19:53:31 <techietotoro>	Hey
Jun 11 19:53:56 <EdEnlightenU>	do any of you guys want to join the Futurist Party slack?
Jun 11 19:54:04 <EdEnlightenU>	We've been using it to talk and organize during the week
Jun 11 19:54:09 <EdEnlightenU>	it's similar to the IRC
Jun 11 19:54:13 <EdEnlightenU>	but has more features
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Jun 11 19:54:17 <EdEnlightenU>	better UI
Jun 11 19:54:21 <EdEnlightenU>	hey Fafnirsage
Jun 11 19:54:22 <Fafnirsage>	Heya
Jun 11 19:54:35 <EdEnlightenU>	if anyone wants to join just message me their email and I can add you
Jun 11 19:54:44 <EdEnlightenU>	talking about slack
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Jun 11 19:54:49 <EdEnlightenU>	you like it right faf?
Jun 11 19:54:54 <Fafnirsage>	def, its great
Jun 11 19:54:55 <EdEnlightenU>	hey tyuyruturty
Jun 11 19:55:01 <Necrotica>	I didn't have time to fully get into it, the basics I grasped was a decentralized servers, but I don't entirely see how they expect average people to host all this stuff *shrugs* Also I noticed when asked if someone could just stop people, say Verizon turn off their internet access, they said just get another ISP then... but if a government wanted
Jun 11 19:55:01 <Necrotica>	to turn off the internet, it's not like they can't do that
Jun 11 19:55:54 <Necrotica>	That is to say, they can turn it off if they want
Jun 11 19:56:01 <EdEnlightenU>	I think the idea is the data is decentralized
Jun 11 19:56:36 <EdEnlightenU>	yea you're right t
Jun 11 19:56:43 <EdEnlightenU>	there were some confusing aspects to it
Jun 11 19:56:53 <EdEnlightenU>	he mentioned it was difficult to explain to the average person
Jun 11 19:57:05 <Necrotica>	I think all the data online has to be easily in the thousands of terabytes at this point too, so i mean, i just don't see how normal ppl can host all this
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Jun 11 19:57:17 <EdEnlightenU>	hey Xabeth
Jun 11 19:57:23 <Fafnirsage>	hello
Jun 11 19:57:28 <EdEnlightenU>	Necrotica: yea I see what you mean
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Jun 11 19:57:51 <Xabeth>	Hi
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Jun 11 19:59:07 <Necrotica>	I get some kind of alternate internet, one that can't be controlled as easily, but if the powers that be wanted to ban access, they'd force the ISPs to not allow access, just like China can do now
Jun 11 19:59:39 <EdEnlightenU>	hey rightfuture and Hektor
Jun 11 19:59:44 <rightfuture>	HI
Jun 11 19:59:54 <Hektor>	Hey
Jun 11 19:59:59 <rightfuture>	ready to change the world right now
Jun 11 20:00:07 <EdEnlightenU>	yup!
Jun 11 20:00:15 <Fafnirsage>	that is the goal :D
Jun 11 20:00:16 <EdEnlightenU>	alright 8:00
Jun 11 20:00:20 <EdEnlightenU>	https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TgxMDj5e1ldglOnRbFnBhWmuv4Xx0MvtHcGj-K0b3Pk/edit
Jun 11 20:00:26 <EdEnlightenU>	this is the basic agenda we'll follow
Jun 11 20:00:41 <EdEnlightenU>	we'll leave the meeting pretty open; anyone should feel more then welcome to voice their opinion
Jun 11 20:00:59 <EdEnlightenU>	if it gets to chaotic we'll switch to stack, which is where one person talks at a time for 2 min
Jun 11 20:01:08 <EdEnlightenU>	but to start
Jun 11 20:01:17 <EdEnlightenU>	We are partners with European Rationalist Party
Jun 11 20:01:27 <EdEnlightenU>	reddit.com/r/eurp
Jun 11 20:01:34 <EdEnlightenU>	http://www.reddit.com/r/eurp
Jun 11 20:01:41 <EdEnlightenU>	and it would be good to agree on a common logo
Jun 11 20:01:46 <EdEnlightenU>	https://drive.google.com/?authuser=0#folders/0B_QjQVHuhQG0QndnRy0xUk1iZDA
Jun 11 20:01:53 <EdEnlightenU>	here are all the logos we have proposed so far
Jun 11 20:02:12 <EdEnlightenU>	we were thinking about opening up a thread this week and asking for anyone to contribute a new logo
Jun 11 20:02:22 <rightfuture>	I could do that
Jun 11 20:02:24 <EdEnlightenU>	and also making posts to a bunch of design subs
Jun 11 20:02:34 <rightfuture>	I'm great with creativity
Jun 11 20:02:35 <EdEnlightenU>	does anyone know good design subs to post to?
Jun 11 20:02:42 <rightfuture>	deviant art
Jun 11 20:02:45 <EdEnlightenU>	or good at graphic design?
Jun 11 20:02:49 <Fafnirsage>	just about to say DA
Jun 11 20:02:52 <EdEnlightenU>	awesome rightfuture
Jun 11 20:03:01 <EdEnlightenU>	we'd love to see you make a logo or a few
Jun 11 20:03:06 <rightfuture>	I am really good with created a log that reaches people
Jun 11 20:03:21 <EdEnlightenU>	the idea is to get some high quality logos and then have a vote and move forward with that logo
Jun 11 20:03:23 <EdEnlightenU>	any thoughts?
Jun 11 20:03:33 <rightfuture>	what type of message is most important to you all to send in a logo
Jun 11 20:04:00 <Fafnirsage>	thats what we should discuss
Jun 11 20:04:03 <EdEnlightenU>	I think having a global logo would be good
Jun 11 20:04:05 <rightfuture>	future advancement inspires movement and direction
Jun 11 20:04:11 <EdEnlightenU>	maybe something that doesn't scream US
Jun 11 20:04:20 <Fafnirsage>	yea we want to have a global angle
Jun 11 20:04:20 <Necrotica>	I've looked thru the logos... This might come across as nationalistic, but the colors should be red white and blue, since its supposed to be an American political party
Jun 11 20:04:30 <rightfuture>	I have a small global logo with a light cresting inspriing direction
Jun 11 20:04:51 <Fafnirsage>	the point is that the futurist party is a global party that transcends countries, sort of
Jun 11 20:04:55 <rightfuture>	you many want it to appear like a rocket launching into a brighter future
Jun 11 20:05:06 <EdEnlightenU>	yea I agree faf
Jun 11 20:05:07 <Fafnirsage>	one of the first ones had that
Jun 11 20:05:10 <Fafnirsage>	the rocket
Jun 11 20:05:11 <EdEnlightenU>	maybe a symbol that represents all
Jun 11 20:05:13 <rightfuture>	the launch bridges today and tommorrow which is what we do
Jun 11 20:05:23 <EdEnlightenU>	but the US symbol could be red, white and blue?
Jun 11 20:05:28 <Xabeth>	If you're partners with the European party, is there a specific part of the globe you are targeting to move into?
Jun 11 20:05:29 <rightfuture>	we want to improve today adn tomorrow
Jun 11 20:05:38 <rightfuture>	and invoke images of advancement
Jun 11 20:05:43 <Fafnirsage>	Yea, maybe we can have the logo
Jun 11 20:05:48 <Fafnirsage>	have like fill in your own colors
Jun 11 20:05:55 <rightfuture>	sweeping inspiration
Jun 11 20:05:57 <Fafnirsage>	like a blank canvas
Jun 11 20:05:58 <Fafnirsage>	a template
Jun 11 20:06:01 <rightfuture>	blues and greens
Jun 11 20:06:02 <EdEnlightenU>	Xabeth: ideally we'd like to be a global movement
Jun 11 20:06:06 <EdEnlightenU>	like the pirate party
Jun 11 20:06:09 <rightfuture>	blue for science and the future and stability
Jun 11 20:06:14 <EdEnlightenU>	exists in nations all over the world
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Jun 11 20:06:20 <rightfuture>	green because it inspires health and wellness
Jun 11 20:06:28 <EdEnlightenU>	hey thatguywhoisthatguy
Jun 11 20:06:29 <rightfuture>	yes
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Jun 11 20:06:40 <Necrotica>	The idea though would eventually be to win elections in the united states, and you're going to want to remember that political opponents will look for what they can to smear you with it... if you do an all red one, they'll call you communists, do one with colors that (bare with me please) look african, they'll try to "tar" you with being anti-white
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Jun 11 20:06:47 <thatguywhoisthatguy>	hey ed
Jun 11 20:06:57 <EdEnlightenU>	hey tom
Jun 11 20:06:59 <rightfuture>	I have some great ideas for winning elections
Jun 11 20:07:26 <EdEnlightenU>	Ok well let's open the logo up to a bunch of communities
Jun 11 20:07:29 <rightfuture>	You might agree with some
Jun 11 20:07:29 <EdEnlightenU>	see what they post
Jun 11 20:07:36 <rightfuture>	the best idea wins
Jun 11 20:07:42 <EdEnlightenU>	and see if we can get something high quality that blows everyone away
Jun 11 20:07:47 <Fafnirsage>	yea
Jun 11 20:07:53 <EdEnlightenU>	./r/Futurology, /r/art, /r/design, /r/freedesign, /r/graphic_design, /r/design_critiques, /r/design_critiques.
Jun 11 20:07:59 <EdEnlightenU>	any other subs beside those?
Jun 11 20:08:04 <rightfuture>	inpsire others to help us
Jun 11 20:08:09 <rightfuture>	get more people involved
Jun 11 20:08:16 <rightfuture>	the power of personal connection
Jun 11 20:08:32 <EdEnlightenU>	alright so no other suggestions of subs to reach out to?
Jun 11 20:08:49 <rightfuture>	earthporn
Jun 11 20:08:51 <Fafnirsage>	well we could try to do something with DA
Jun 11 20:09:06 <rightfuture>	great idea
Jun 11 20:09:07 <rightfuture>	contest
Jun 11 20:09:10 <rightfuture>	for a logo
Jun 11 20:09:24 <EdEnlightenU>	alright
Jun 11 20:09:26 <rightfuture>	have us pick the winner
Jun 11 20:09:32 <EdEnlightenU>	so moving on
Jun 11 20:09:33 <Fafnirsage>	idk what we would give as prizes haha
Jun 11 20:09:33 <rightfuture>	inspire us to pick the best one
Jun 11 20:09:37 <EdEnlightenU>	for those who joined
Jun 11 20:09:39 <EdEnlightenU>	https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TgxMDj5e1ldglOnRbFnBhWmuv4Xx0MvtHcGj-K0b3Pk/edit
Jun 11 20:09:44 <EdEnlightenU>	this is the agenda we're following
Jun 11 20:09:45 <rightfuture>	they would get the chance to inspire the world
Jun 11 20:10:06 <Necrotica>	I'd like to believe in the whole transnational outlook, but I have been having some personal talks with Ed too and I don't feel you try to get elected President of the United States first, you have to build up a foundation, and that's winning local small elections with the goal of mayors, start winning seats in Congress and then I can see something
Jun 11 20:10:06 <Necrotica>	 more global, but, I'd like to fix our shit before taking care of the entire world too *shrugs*
Jun 11 20:10:07 <Ristopher>	They would get reddit karma.
Jun 11 20:10:09 <rightfuture>	so what do people want in a logo
Jun 11 20:10:14 <rightfuture>	I want to hear ideas
Jun 11 20:10:25 <rightfuture>	I can concept play with you guys if you like
Jun 11 20:10:37 <EdEnlightenU>	good points necrotica
Jun 11 20:10:40 <EdEnlightenU>	I posted the platform in /r/Futurology and a few people were very confused by the word: "ameliorate"
Jun 11 20:10:45 <rightfuture>	brainstorm awesome possibilities if you like
Jun 11 20:10:51 <EdEnlightenU>	honestly i had to look it up the first time I read it too
Jun 11 20:10:52 <rightfuture>	it's too big a word
Jun 11 20:10:55 <EdEnlightenU>	https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AeeV4gvYGHmX5L6szVmJb74FBH8K-p_oKvwruXkmyrI/edit
Jun 11 20:10:57 <EdEnlightenU>	here's the platform
Jun 11 20:11:01 <Fafnirsage>	agree with necrotica too
Jun 11 20:11:03 <rightfuture>	the average president has a 120 iq
Jun 11 20:11:08 <EdEnlightenU>	do people think we should change the word?
Jun 11 20:11:08 <rightfuture>	no more no less
Jun 11 20:11:17 <rightfuture>	yes
Jun 11 20:11:21 <EdEnlightenU>	vote below on if we should change it
Jun 11 20:11:22 <rightfuture>	I'm good with words
Jun 11 20:11:22 <EdEnlightenU>	+1
Jun 11 20:11:30 <Fafnirsage>	+1
Jun 11 20:11:40 <Necrotica>	Certain presidents must of skewed that average
Jun 11 20:11:55 <rightfuture>	I need to look at the context used
Jun 11 20:11:57 <rightfuture>	again
Jun 11 20:12:10 <Fafnirsage>	IQ is a poor measure of complete intelligence, does it really matter?
Jun 11 20:12:21 <EdEnlightenU>	any other votes on changing the word  "ameliorate?"
Jun 11 20:12:21 <Xenophon1>	Agreed
Jun 11 20:12:26 <Hektor>	+1
Jun 11 20:12:31 <Ristopher>	+1
Jun 11 20:12:39 <Fafnirsage>	We should reword it because we want to sound more natural, not because we are trying to cater to the lowest common denominator
Jun 11 20:12:43 <rightfuture>	true but people want someone like them not someone smarter. we have to work against that impression
Jun 11 20:12:55 <rightfuture>	people don't like the idea of someone better than them.
Jun 11 20:13:02 <kitzuni>	^ agreed
Jun 11 20:13:17 <Hektor>	Also, it's just a really vague word!
Jun 11 20:13:19 <rightfuture>	they want someone to watch their back who they can relate to - and maybe even have a drink with
Jun 11 20:13:26 <EdEnlightenU>	any suggestions on what to change ameliorate to
Jun 11 20:13:31 <EdEnlightenU>	https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AeeV4gvYGHmX5L6szVmJb74FBH8K-p_oKvwruXkmyrI/edit
Jun 11 20:13:32 <Fafnirsage>	Yea, but that does not exclude being more intelligent
Jun 11 20:13:33 <EdEnlightenU>	here's the platform
Jun 11 20:13:51 <EdEnlightenU>	there sentence is:
Jun 11 20:13:52 <EdEnlightenU>	We stand for a universal, unconditional basic income as an economic and societal right for all U.S. adult citizens to ameliorate welfare, disability, food stamps, and public pensions.
Jun 11 20:13:58 <Ristopher>	unfortunate anecdote: My college roommate voted for Bush Jr. because he wanted to have a beer with him. He had no idea what the policies were for either party.
Jun 11 20:14:12 <Necrotica>	They say you have to communicate with the average voter on a 6th grade reading level I believe it was
Jun 11 20:14:16 <EdEnlightenU>	yea marketing seems more important in the US than policy sadly
Jun 11 20:14:39 <thatguywhoisthatguy>	Would it be better to state the problem before the solution? Maybe mention something about automation before UBI
Jun 11 20:14:42 <Fafnirsage>	Where did Barack Obama go to school? Harvard. The intellectual elite go there. Just because a person is smarter, does not mean they throw people off. Charisma and presentation is important.
Jun 11 20:14:43 <rightfuture>	you have to make smarter more appealing than relatable.
Jun 11 20:14:59 <Necrotica>	We want to promote education, technology, etc. but you can't talk down to people or they'll get offended and think you're mocking them
Jun 11 20:15:02 <Ristopher>	second that on thatguywhoisthatguy
Jun 11 20:15:05 <kitzuni>	Why not enhance?
Jun 11 20:15:07 <EdEnlightenU>	thatguywhoisthatguy: yea
Jun 11 20:15:09 <rightfuture>	appearance is very important, we subconsciously react to it
Jun 11 20:15:13 <Fafnirsage>	exactly thatguy
Jun 11 20:15:21 <EdEnlightenU>	automation is something we need to definitely say before UBI
Jun 11 20:15:33 <EdEnlightenU>	Economic freedom is of critical importance in the future of global automation.
Jun 11 20:15:40 <Necrotica>	My father accused me of that once, until he realized much later in life that I talk like that always and I wasn't being mean, I just tended to use larger more advanced words
Jun 11 20:15:40 <EdEnlightenU>	well there's that the sentence before
Jun 11 20:15:47 <rightfuture>	share in is a better choice that ameliorate at a glance
Jun 11 20:15:52 <Fafnirsage>	we should probably cite rising unemployment
Jun 11 20:15:56 <Fafnirsage>	and automation
Jun 11 20:15:58 <Fafnirsage>	before UBI
Jun 11 20:16:03 <rightfuture>	but it could be reworded better with time
Jun 11 20:16:15 <Hektor>	We stand for a universal, unconditional basic income as an economic and societal right for all U.S. adult citizens to solve the unsustainable problems with out welfare, disability, food stamps, and public pensions.
Jun 11 20:16:19 <Hektor>	?
Jun 11 20:16:26 <EdEnlightenU>	I like that better
Jun 11 20:16:30 <rightfuture>	the key is to pick words with universal appeal, but connect to the difference of our platform
Jun 11 20:16:30 <Fafnirsage>	def
Jun 11 20:16:46 <Necrotica>	Synonyms
Jun 11 20:16:46 <Necrotica>	improve, amend, better, enhance, enrich, help, meliorate, perfect, refine, upgrade
Jun 11 20:16:47 <Xenophon1>	+1
Jun 11 20:16:53 <EdEnlightenU>	minus the "out"
Jun 11 20:16:54 <rightfuture>	I guess I'll pull up my rough draft ed
Jun 11 20:16:57 <Hektor>	out -> our*
Jun 11 20:16:59 <Hektor>	oops
Jun 11 20:17:05 <tyuyruturty>	so question, who wrote up the platform/had input?
Jun 11 20:17:12 <kitzuni>	The problem I see with that sentence is that people who may be using those services may find it as a crude way of leaving them behind
Jun 11 20:17:14 <EdEnlightenU>	should we just take the "out" out
Jun 11 20:17:23 <EdEnlightenU>	Xenophon1 wrote the original platform
Jun 11 20:17:28 <EdEnlightenU>	we have been making changes since
Jun 11 20:17:37 <EdEnlightenU>	if you think something can be improves, then say so
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Jun 11 20:17:55 <rightfuture>	We support the absolute freedom, privacy, and of free expression of our citizens, to participate and share in the best benefits of an improving society as they choose
Jun 11 20:17:55 <EdEnlightenU>	and we can vote
Jun 11 20:17:56 <Fafnirsage>	Maybe make a new copy
Jun 11 20:18:00 <Fafnirsage>	for free edit
Jun 11 20:18:10 <EdEnlightenU>	We stand for a universal, unconditional basic income as an economic and societal right for all U.S. adult citizens to solve the unsustainable problems with welfare, disability, food stamps, and public pensions.
Jun 11 20:18:16 <EdEnlightenU>	take a vote on that
Jun 11 20:18:26 <Hektor>	+1
Jun 11 20:18:29 <EdEnlightenU>	+1
Jun 11 20:18:31 <Fafnirsage>	+1
Jun 11 20:18:40 <thatguywhoisthatguy>	where does this appear? is this the 1st thing a new person sees?
Jun 11 20:18:43 <Ristopher>	I personally believe that the problem should be stated before the solution
Jun 11 20:18:53 <Necrotica>	Agreed
Jun 11 20:18:53 <Hektor>	no. its deep in there
Jun 11 20:18:58 <Ristopher>	but would need to look at the whole document to be sure
Jun 11 20:19:04 <Ristopher>	other than that, the message is good. +1
Jun 11 20:19:12 <Hektor>	https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AeeV4gvYGHmX5L6szVmJb74FBH8K-p_oKvwruXkmyrI/edit?pli=1
Jun 11 20:19:23 <EdEnlightenU>	the sentence before says: "Economic freedom is of critical importance in the future of global automation."
Jun 11 20:19:29 <rightfuture>	we have to agree on the fundamental concepts that are most important.
Jun 11 20:19:38 <EdEnlightenU>	but I think we need to stress that automation is going to put a lot of people out of work
Jun 11 20:19:43 <EdEnlightenU>	potentially
Jun 11 20:19:46 <rightfuture>	https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-Nq92f4Jo3gaCWV74bzkBXAoeq4jmHeBoW9LT4agVWI/edit
Jun 11 20:19:52 <EdEnlightenU>	any other votes?
Jun 11 20:19:54 <rightfuture>	my rough through together 1.5 hrs
Jun 11 20:20:00 <rightfuture>	throw
Jun 11 20:20:29 <rightfuture>	ameliorate is also to participate in.
Jun 11 20:20:51 <EdEnlightenU>	any other votes on the quote above?
Jun 11 20:21:04 <kitzuni>	I like it, +1
Jun 11 20:21:22 <EdEnlightenU>	if someone wants to make a change to the platform
Jun 11 20:21:30 <EdEnlightenU>	write up the proposed change
Jun 11 20:21:32 <rightfuture>	no one wants to hear about automation
Jun 11 20:21:33 <matreyu918>	+1 good stuff.
Jun 11 20:21:34 <EdEnlightenU>	and we can take a vote on it
Jun 11 20:21:37 <thatguywhoisthatguy>	“A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.”   Greek proverb
Jun 11 20:21:40 <Fafnirsage>	People NEED to hear about it
Jun 11 20:21:42 <Necrotica>	No one will know that word, you'll only annoy the people that don't want to take time to look it up, or you make them fill stupid and offend them that they don't give you another shot... Has anyone seen the Meme that gets posted with the kid throwing the book away and says "stopped reading right there"?
Jun 11 20:21:43 <Fafnirsage>	and they want to
Jun 11 20:21:43 <thatguywhoisthatguy>	I feel this fits well
Jun 11 20:21:45 <rightfuture>	job loss and employment are more central issue
Jun 11 20:21:51 <Fafnirsage>	job loss YE
Jun 11 20:21:52 <Fafnirsage>	YES*
Jun 11 20:21:57 <Fafnirsage>	Automation results in job loss
Jun 11 20:21:59 <rightfuture>	it avoids the fear of technology and robots
Jun 11 20:22:05 <EdEnlightenU>	alright next topic
Jun 11 20:22:08 <EdEnlightenU>	is growth
Jun 11 20:22:14 <Fafnirsage>	Ways to market etc
Jun 11 20:22:16 <EdEnlightenU>	this in my mind is the single most important thing
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Jun 11 20:22:22 <rightfuture>	it can be a positive things, but change and technology can scare people also
Jun 11 20:22:25 <EdEnlightenU>	I feel growth keeps eveyone excited and optimistic
Jun 11 20:22:30 <EdEnlightenU>	hey benfred94
Jun 11 20:22:35 <Necrotica>	Growth, as in economic or membership?
Jun 11 20:22:36 <EdEnlightenU>	it also makes us more influential
Jun 11 20:22:41 <EdEnlightenU>	membership intially
Jun 11 20:22:44 <rightfuture>	You want to focus on progress and improvement
Jun 11 20:22:45 <Fafnirsage>	Membership, etc
Jun 11 20:22:48 <EdEnlightenU>	but eventually funding
Jun 11 20:22:48 <rightfuture>	things everyone can agree on
Jun 11 20:22:58 <rightfuture>	don't worry about funding, i got that
Jun 11 20:23:03 <EdEnlightenU>	I'd say we should make out goal to grow 10% a week
Jun 11 20:23:20 <EdEnlightenU>	here's a simple growth chart
Jun 11 20:23:21 <EdEnlightenU>	https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pPKsQYrbDFsgaN7rUuApHuZzAZ3cvw37DOkh3-xADlY/edit#gid=0
Jun 11 20:23:21 <rightfuture>	we can, but the right vehicle, and it will take us all the way
Jun 11 20:23:34 <Fafnirsage>	AMA increased subs by about 400 iirc
Jun 11 20:23:34 <kitzuni>	I think we really need to have an infrastructure set that is simple for new members to come in and help in anyway they can
Jun 11 20:23:39 <Fafnirsage>	^
Jun 11 20:23:41 <EdEnlightenU>	but essentially if we miss that; we failed that weeek
Jun 11 20:23:41 <rightfuture>	as you said ed
Jun 11 20:23:50 <EdEnlightenU>	kitzuni: yea I agree
Jun 11 20:24:03 <rightfuture>	yes a fundmental set of memorable principles kit
Jun 11 20:24:17 <EdEnlightenU>	like a get started guide or something
Jun 11 20:24:17 <rightfuture>	Mission:    To unite and inspire everyone in excitement to actually share in improving the world.
Jun 11 20:24:30 <kitzuni>	A getting started guide sounds like a great idea
Jun 11 20:24:37 <rightfuture>	people only remember 3-6 things at any meeting
Jun 11 20:24:37 <Ristopher>	So point of order, is "growth" is defined as subreddit subscriptions?
Jun 11 20:24:47 <rightfuture>	you have to make them powerful
Jun 11 20:24:47 <EdEnlightenU>	For now I'd say yea
Jun 11 20:25:00 <EdEnlightenU>	reddit is our main hub
Jun 11 20:25:06 <Fafnirsage>	at the moment anyway
Jun 11 20:25:07 <Ristopher>	thanks
Jun 11 20:25:08 <EdEnlightenU>	it allows anyone to submit a new idea
Jun 11 20:25:19 <EdEnlightenU>	and there are millions of people already on reddit
Jun 11 20:25:20 <kitzuni>	IRC is a great hub for real time collaboration ;p
Jun 11 20:25:22 <rightfuture>	I agree, reddit pulls over 6% of all adult Americans
Jun 11 20:25:23 <kitzuni>	I feel we could do more with it
Jun 11 20:25:33 <matreyu918>	That's kind of fitting.
Jun 11 20:25:39 <EdEnlightenU>	here are the other social media accounts
Jun 11 20:25:40 <EdEnlightenU>	https://drive.google.com/?authuser=0&usp=sheets_web#folders/0B_QjQVHuhQG0UjR3N3NjcWZ0UGs
Jun 11 20:25:44 <rightfuture>	reddit is also the biggest forum on the internet right now
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Jun 11 20:25:49 <thatguywhoisthatguy>	How mainstream is reddit?
Jun 11 20:25:51 <Necrotica>	You're going to have roughly 2 solid years before any election cycle starts up, I think if you want to increase interest in the FP, providing resources and useful information/news/etc. would attract people, just like with that AMA, you provide a service to people so they get some interest in it and then want to learn more if they like what they see
Jun 11 20:26:01 <rightfuture>	you have to have a winning plan
Jun 11 20:26:14 <rightfuture>	exciting engagement
Jun 11 20:26:16 <EdEnlightenU>	right now we have a FB, G+, Twitter, Pinterest, Tumblr, YouTube
Jun 11 20:26:22 <rightfuture>	direct connection to meaning
Jun 11 20:26:24 <EdEnlightenU>	any others we should add?
Jun 11 20:26:28 <Houshalter>	reddit isn't that big
Jun 11 20:26:32 <kitzuni>	That sounds good for now
Jun 11 20:26:37 <Ristopher>	I would not add any more
Jun 11 20:26:37 <kitzuni>	Shouldn't take on too many at once
Jun 11 20:26:40 <rightfuture>	power of focus my friends
Jun 11 20:26:45 <Ristopher>	exactly kitzuni
Jun 11 20:26:47 <EdEnlightenU>	is anyone good with Video Editing?
Jun 11 20:26:53 <EdEnlightenU>	or would want to make a video or two
Jun 11 20:26:58 <rightfuture>	we should agree on doing one thing very well, then buiilding on it
Jun 11 20:27:23 <Necrotica>	The website is important, it should be a hub for platforms, ideas, etc. and donations
Jun 11 20:27:40 <rightfuture>	If we are all on the same page, we we move together it will be powerful and noticeable
Jun 11 20:27:41 <EdEnlightenU>	should we include a donation button on the website?
Jun 11 20:27:46 <EdEnlightenU>	set up a paypal account or something?
Jun 11 20:27:53 <rightfuture>	do it right and we don't have to worry about making an impression
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Jun 11 20:28:09 <Xenophon1>	A bank account as well.
Jun 11 20:28:10 <Fafnirsage>	I think getting money is a bad idea until we have a reason for it
Jun 11 20:28:14 <EdEnlightenU>	hey bostoniaa and threefourme
Jun 11 20:28:19 <threefourme>	hello
Jun 11 20:28:20 <Fafnirsage>	what are we going to do with the money?
Jun 11 20:28:20 <bostoniaa>	Hi there!
Jun 11 20:28:28 <EdEnlightenU>	keep growing at 10% until we need money?
Jun 11 20:28:34 <Fafnirsage>	for what?
Jun 11 20:28:37 <rightfuture>	we have a reason to slowly collect money, a bank account is good way to prove transparency
Jun 11 20:28:43 <EdEnlightenU>	well money helps you grow
Jun 11 20:28:43 <Fafnirsage>	like what are we exactly funding
Jun 11 20:28:46 <rightfuture>	something no other party would do
Jun 11 20:28:47 <EdEnlightenU>	you can buy advertising
Jun 11 20:28:50 <rightfuture>	powerful statement
Jun 11 20:28:55 <Fafnirsage>	Advertising where?
Jun 11 20:28:59 <Fafnirsage>	Like before we accept donations
Jun 11 20:29:01 <EdEnlightenU>	reddit/fb/google
Jun 11 20:29:03 <EdEnlightenU>	tv
Jun 11 20:29:08 <bostoniaa>	One thing we definitely need is the ability to accept cryptocurrency donations
Jun 11 20:29:09 <Fafnirsage>	we should explicitly define where it is going to.
Jun 11 20:29:12 <Ristopher>	I think we need to be a registered organization and have that collect the money
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Jun 11 20:29:17 <rightfuture>	we can create our own buzz, advertising irrelevant when we have the right message
Jun 11 20:29:19 <Hektor>	Many see a big donate button as the sign of a scam and immediately dismiss political websites.
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Jun 11 20:58:31 *	Now talking on #futuristparty
Jun 11 20:58:31 *	Topic for #futuristparty is: The Right to Online Citizenship and Universal Internet Access
Jun 11 20:58:31 *	Topic for #futuristparty set by Xenophon1!Xenophon1@user/Xenophon1 at Wed Jun 11 20:54:09 2014
Jun 11 20:58:31 <Ristopher>	-1
Jun 11 20:58:32 <thatguywhoisthatguy>	I would think having any connection at all for more people would be a better goal
Jun 11 20:58:37 <Fafnirsage>	we cant appease everyone
Jun 11 20:58:38 <Progetto>	maidsafe all the way
Jun 11 20:58:43 <Fafnirsage>	do we want to make the corporations happy?
Jun 11 20:58:43 <rightfuture>	realistically idealistic
Jun 11 20:58:44 <Progetto>	+1
Jun 11 20:59:01 <rightfuture>	we want to be corporation neutral
Jun 11 20:59:03 <McShits>	Force the companies to have a 'free' plan, yeah it would be slow but everyone could use it. You pay for the increased speeds
Jun 11 20:59:03 <prolapsediving>	idealism is what this party's about, isn't it?
Jun 11 20:59:10 <Progetto>	The powers that be
Jun 11 20:59:11 <rightfuture>	yes
Jun 11 20:59:14 <EdEnlightenU>	vote stands at 4 Yes, 1 No, 1 abstain; any other votes:
Jun 11 20:59:33 <Necrotica>	Are you proposing that ISPs are required to give people access for free at some minimum speed? I just don't see why they would, you do have basic equipment they'd have to provide
Jun 11 20:59:39 <rightfuture>	abosulutely we want to be idealistic, yet realitically plausible and probable
Jun 11 20:59:46 <rightfuture>	we have do define the future
Jun 11 20:59:54 <McShits>	Maybe charge a one time fee for the equipment
Jun 11 20:59:58 <rightfuture>	we have to aim with Vision
Jun 11 21:00:00 <rightfuture>	epicness
Jun 11 21:00:16 <Progetto>	Haha
Jun 11 21:00:19 <thatguywhoisthatguy>	Make internet access a utility and locally owned, like water and electricity
Jun 11 21:00:22 <rightfuture>	and Ambitious visionary goals, yet connect with achieveing something right now
Jun 11 21:00:30 <Progetto>	There's an idea
Jun 11 21:00:39 <Progetto>	utilities
Jun 11 21:00:39 <Necrotica>	In my area, Brighthouse provides Wifi hubs all over the area, but you can't access it unless you're already a Brighthouse subscriber
Jun 11 21:00:41 <rightfuture>	we have to inspire, not just go for something ehhh
Jun 11 21:00:44 <Ristopher>	I think we should define the future as: Useful internet for all. We are working toward that by helping businesses that want to provide it provide it cheaply, properly and legally.
Jun 11 21:00:50 <threefourme>	Jethro Knights is that you?
Jun 11 21:01:01 <rightfuture>	companies are going to deliver technology idea faster than we can
Jun 11 21:01:04 <Progetto>	whos that
Jun 11 21:01:07 <rightfuture>	we have to be a leading edge
Jun 11 21:01:16 <rightfuture>	not jump on a slightly better bandwagon
Jun 11 21:01:39 <Necrotica>	I'd think working with local ISPs, Cities, governments and having free access to wifi would make more sense, but, the person would still need the equipment to connect to that too
Jun 11 21:01:48 <rightfuture>	Usfeul internet to all is important
Jun 11 21:01:51 <rightfuture>	great goal
Jun 11 21:01:55 <threefourme>	I agree with rightfuture
Jun 11 21:02:02 <rightfuture>	sharing knowledge and access to it even greater
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Jun 11 21:02:22 <rightfuture>	free internet and free college should be part of our goals
Jun 11 21:02:36 <EdEnlightenU>	so should we move forward with that? or should we research it more
Jun 11 21:02:39 <Ristopher>	I would change it to free education
Jun 11 21:02:44 <Ristopher>	rather than college.
Jun 11 21:02:45 <rightfuture>	but as exciting as they are we need to deliver something quickly achievable and inspiring
Jun 11 21:02:48 <threefourme>	how does that all work economically?
Jun 11 21:03:05 <threefourme>	free isn't free
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Jun 11 21:03:09 <EdEnlightenU>	threefourme: good point
Jun 11 21:03:09 <Necrotica>	I agree with 3, how do you provide it?
Jun 11 21:03:18 <rightfuture>	free education is a investment in society that pays off
Jun 11 21:03:23 <rightfuture>	in the long run
Jun 11 21:03:42 <rightfuture>	the more education we have , the more ideas can be created
Jun 11 21:03:45 <EdEnlightenU>	playing devils advocate; you could argue we have too many with colleges degrees
Jun 11 21:03:50 <EdEnlightenU>	there aren't enough  jobs for people
Jun 11 21:04:00 <Necrotica>	You start making promises you can't provide, you'll get ppl start disenfranchised with you, just like a lot of ppl are with Obama right now
Jun 11 21:04:03 <Ristopher>	I believe that supporting the various MOOC efforts is the way to go
Jun 11 21:04:09 <rightfuture>	I understand the balances here, my mother was an enrollment dean at a major university
Jun 11 21:04:10 <Fafnirsage>	Education is good
Jun 11 21:04:24 <Fafnirsage>	college isn't = job
Jun 11 21:04:25 <rightfuture>	and my father was a marketing vp for a fortune 500 company
Jun 11 21:04:30 <Fafnirsage>	college = edcation
Jun 11 21:04:35 <threefourme>	I think we can agree free education is a human right, access to information should be a human right (the internet) I think a plan would be needed to come up with 'free internet' for everyone
Jun 11 21:04:36 <Fafnirsage>	education != job
Jun 11 21:04:44 <rightfuture>	education means knowing the right answers, better answers
Jun 11 21:04:55 <Fafnirsage>	education is a means to better oneself, not to make a wage
Jun 11 21:04:57 <thatguywhoisthatguy>	teach kids to teach themselves, drop the prussian system of "education"
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Jun 11 21:05:01 <rightfuture>	more people with more answers = more prosperity and ideas
Jun 11 21:05:02 <Necrotica>	I've always felt College is a waste for the most part, you parrot back what they want to hear, unless it's a degree in something to TRAIN you how to do a role (like a doctor), a lot of the college degrees are bullshit
Jun 11 21:05:03 <EdEnlightenU>	threefourme: good point
Jun 11 21:05:15 <prolapsediving>	I agree with fairs age
Jun 11 21:05:16 <EdEnlightenU>	before we put it in the platform we need a plan for how we're going to do it
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Jun 11 21:05:27 <Ristopher>	I would approach it from the "Free access to education promotes new business creation"
Jun 11 21:05:37 <rightfuture>	education is a way to the get the information you need to make better decisions
Jun 11 21:05:38 <threefourme>	EdEnlightenU: yes
Jun 11 21:05:48 <Fafnirsage>	College is a waste of time because you view it as a job preperation
Jun 11 21:05:58 <EdEnlightenU>	most people don't
Jun 11 21:05:58 <rightfuture>	yes ristopher but it does more than that
Jun 11 21:05:58 <Fafnirsage>	its percetion of college that is wrong, not it necessarily
Jun 11 21:06:06 <mako>	college education is meant to teach you how to think about your industry. If you can do that already, then the only reason to go to college is for networking
Jun 11 21:06:17 <EdEnlightenU>	the college I went to, most people view it as a 4 year vacation
Jun 11 21:06:23 <rightfuture>	no college is messed up
Jun 11 21:06:29 <Ristopher>	It does rightfuture, but we need to keep messages clear and simple
Jun 11 21:06:31 <rightfuture>	it is not the answer to everytjomg
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Jun 11 21:06:37 <Fafnirsage>	I see college as individual enrichment that is what it SHOULD be not some job-prep or vacation.
Jun 11 21:06:40 <EdEnlightenU>	mako: agree; most important is networking in college
Jun 11 21:06:43 <Aristophanes>	Sorry I'm late.  College
Jun 11 21:06:44 <EdEnlightenU>	hey Aristophanes
Jun 11 21:06:47 <rightfuture>	education done right leads to improving any and all of us
Jun 11 21:06:48 <mako>	lol
Jun 11 21:06:50 <Necrotica>	I'd prefer to see actual true vocational schooling, 1-2 years to get you trained into a field that is important and apprenticeship for it afterwards
Jun 11 21:06:50 <threefourme>	lol
Jun 11 21:06:54 <rightfuture>	the more we know so to speak
Jun 11 21:07:07 <Aristophanes>	I gave you guys a shout out in the Cisco class
Jun 11 21:07:08 <rightfuture>	not forceable memorization or jumping through hoops
Jun 11 21:07:11 <Fafnirsage>	nicee
Jun 11 21:07:12 <Fafnirsage>	XD
Jun 11 21:07:24 <Necrotica>	As silly as it is, do you realize that machine shops in the US are overloaded and can't keep up and they can't find qualified people to hire to do the jobs?
Jun 11 21:07:35 <rightfuture>	Just because I have a lot of education doesn't mean my ideas are any better than someone with his hands on the work
Jun 11 21:07:46 <Fafnirsage>	I understand that alright
Jun 11 21:07:54 <rightfuture>	in fact we are all equal in our potential
Jun 11 21:08:02 <threefourme>	relevant podcast on this topic posted today: http://thefutureandyou.libsyn.com/the-future-and-you-june-11-2014
Jun 11 21:08:10 <threefourme>	ps that guy rocks
Jun 11 21:08:26 <rightfuture>	our ideas do makes us better. it is the ultimate endless resource
Jun 11 21:08:30 <Aristophanes>	I've got a small list of potential candidates for a few more counties here in Texas that I have to compile this weekend.  The State sent a reply acknowledging our existence.  I think we need to specify to them that its for upcoming elections so I'm sending them another letter as soon as the list is compiled.
Jun 11 21:08:40 <rightfuture>	you having access to my idea, doesn't make me less valuable
Jun 11 21:08:58 <rightfuture>	it actually means we both have access to a better way to do something
Jun 11 21:08:59 <Necrotica>	but again, I'm under the belief we'd looking to the future... and the future isn't in creating jobs, because companies are going to be replacing jobs with robots and automation
Jun 11 21:09:06 <Fafnirsage>	^
Jun 11 21:09:06 <mako>	whoa, we have slack?
Jun 11 21:09:10 <mako>	can I get in on that?
Jun 11 21:09:15 <rightfuture>	we have to connect present with future
Jun 11 21:09:18 <EdEnlightenU>	Aristophanes: Awesome!!!!!
Jun 11 21:09:25 <EdEnlightenU>	Aristophanes: that's huge
Jun 11 21:09:30 <EdEnlightenU>	yea mako
Jun 11 21:09:34 <EdEnlightenU>	send me your email
Jun 11 21:09:36 <threefourme>	wow
Jun 11 21:09:37 <EdEnlightenU>	message me
Jun 11 21:09:39 <rightfuture>	we have to deliver a platform that connects us to achievable milestones and ideas that get us where we want to go
Jun 11 21:09:47 <Fafnirsage>	Aristo thats fantastic!!!
Jun 11 21:09:49 <Aristophanes>	AristophanesThePoet@Gmail.com
Jun 11 21:09:51 <Fafnirsage>	NJ
Jun 11 21:09:53 <EdEnlightenU>	if anyone else would like to join slack; that's what we're using to communicate during the week
Jun 11 21:10:00 <rightfuture>	something that bridges today and tommorrow like I said
Jun 11 21:10:07 <EdEnlightenU>	it's similar to IRC, but has more features, better UI
Jun 11 21:10:08 <rightfuture>	something that has an exciting first step
Jun 11 21:10:21 <Aristophanes>	The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step
Jun 11 21:10:25 <rightfuture>	that we can pull off in less than 2 years
Jun 11 21:10:29 <Necrotica>	I'm going to plug a FB Page I started a week ago, you're free to look it over, but basically i've been trying to connect with FB people and alert them to the reality that is coming at them fast
Jun 11 21:10:30 <Ristopher>	I think at a future meeting we should look at areas where we can attempt to field a candidate or candidates to gain some experience here.
Jun 11 21:10:33 <Necrotica>	https://www.facebook.com/Social.Issues.Future
Jun 11 21:10:35 <rightfuture>	the first step that is
Jun 11 21:10:37 <Ristopher>	I think that is a < 2 years milestone
Jun 11 21:10:41 <thatguywhoisthatguy>	Is anyone concerned about the pattern of the historical rise of and fall of civilizations as they change economic systems? https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1386/46/1386468581317.jpg
Jun 11 21:10:48 <EdEnlightenU>	alright to wrap up the official meeting;  we like the idea of a free Internet, but need a plan before putting it in the platform
Jun 11 21:10:51 <rightfuture>	yes
Jun 11 21:10:52 <Aristophanes>	I would like admin on the FB for Futurist Party if possible.  Side posts get lost
Jun 11 21:10:59 <rightfuture>	I study anthropology a bit
Jun 11 21:11:07 <Fafnirsage>	def
Jun 11 21:11:16 <EdEnlightenU>	Aristophanes: i can add you
Jun 11 21:11:17 <rightfuture>	yes thatguy I would like to talk with you more at some point afterwards
Jun 11 21:11:24 <Aristophanes>	Free as in liberty or no money down?
Jun 11 21:11:26 <Necrotica>	Over and over I can show news articles where the people making certain tech flat out show that their technology will replace real jobs
Jun 11 21:11:29 <Aristophanes>	Thanks Ed :)
Jun 11 21:11:34 <rightfuture>	about patterns of society and understanding their lessons
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Jun 11 21:11:42 <mako>	does anyone record meeting transcripts?
Jun 11 21:11:46 <Aristophanes>	FB Email is CaptainKlasma@Gmail.com
Jun 11 21:11:50 <rightfuture>	we should
Jun 11 21:11:54 <thatguywhoisthatguy>	ill stick around. Could automation and AI break this pattern? https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1386/46/1386468581317.jpg
Jun 11 21:11:55 <rightfuture>	mentioned that last night
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Jun 11 21:12:07 <EdEnlightenU>	can we grab the log of the meeting?
Jun 11 21:12:09 <rightfuture>	automation will be a big deal for all of us
Jun 11 21:12:24 <rightfuture>	employment should be one of the 6 main focuses
Jun 11 21:12:28 <EdEnlightenU>	we used to have a bot that did it
Jun 11 21:12:28 <rightfuture>	and projects
Jun 11 21:12:29 <Fafnirsage>	Kitzuni, didnt you have a bot that transcribed the log?
Jun 11 21:12:31 <EdEnlightenU>	but not sure
Jun 11 21:12:32 <Fafnirsage>	yea
Jun 11 21:12:33 <Ristopher>	+1 on rightfuture
Jun 11 21:12:35 <mako>	kk
Jun 11 21:12:47 <rightfuture>	thank you
Jun 11 21:12:56 <Aristophanes>	Can we call the bot Jane?
Jun 11 21:12:57 <kitzuni>	Yea, but he's kind of broken right now and I haven't really worked on him, but my client saved the whole log to disk
Jun 11 21:12:59 <rightfuture>	we probably agree on the main ideas
Jun 11 21:13:15 <rightfuture>	we have to pick 6 good ones, and be open to imrove them
Jun 11 21:13:23 *	Xenophon1 has changed the topic to: Informal Discussion
Jun 11 21:13:32 <Necrotica>	Not to sound very GOP, but fear of the future is a powerful tool... Jobs, Housing, and Food are all MAJOR issues I think for most people
Jun 11 21:13:45 <rightfuture>	we need projects around them with achieveable political proof points
Jun 11 21:13:50 <rightfuture>	that will guarantee
Jun 11 21:13:56 <Aristophanes>	Hey, not everything in the GOP is bad
Jun 11 21:13:58 <rightfuture>	that people will see what we are doing
Jun 11 21:14:07 <rightfuture>	I agree aristo
Jun 11 21:14:14 <Aristophanes>	Each party is just kind of broken in its own special way
Jun 11 21:14:15 <rightfuture>	there are good ideas in all parties
Jun 11 21:14:22 <rightfuture>	we need to be party agnostic
Jun 11 21:14:33 <rightfuture>	and step around polarization arguements
Jun 11 21:14:38 <rightfuture>	no tug of war here
Jun 11 21:14:39 <Aristophanes>	Party on Wayne
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Jun 11 21:14:41 <Ristopher>	Necrotica, exactly. I think that we should look at what people are concerned about and ensure that we speak to it.
Jun 11 21:14:45 <Necrotica>	Ever heard the old joke "But what about the good stuff Hitler did?"
Jun 11 21:14:48 <rightfuture>	we need to move together in the same direction
Jun 11 21:14:55 <Aristophanes>	Hey dude, V W
Jun 11 21:14:55 <rightfuture>	improving towards the future
Jun 11 21:14:59 <Aristophanes>	That was Hitler's idea
Jun 11 21:15:00 <prolapsediving>	we have to have some focus on the present if we want to win any elections, though
Jun 11 21:15:18 <Fafnirsage>	good is good bad is bad
Jun 11 21:15:22 <Aristophanes>	All the evil leaders had potential for greatness and destroyed their own reputations
Jun 11 21:15:26 <rightfuture>	We need to be inclusive of all political parties who want actual improvement
Jun 11 21:15:32 <Fafnirsage>	one bad action does not make the good bad
Jun 11 21:15:36 <Fafnirsage>	and vice versa
Jun 11 21:15:36 <Ristopher>	I propose working on city politics in a number of cities.
Jun 11 21:15:38 <Fafnirsage>	take it seperately
Jun 11 21:15:39 <Aristophanes>	Think of what Bin Laden could have done for good with his fortunes
Jun 11 21:15:51 <prolapsediving>	i agree with ristopher
Jun 11 21:16:07 <Necrotica>	Maybe not, but you don't point out all the positive things Hitler did unless you want to instantly alienate yourself in a debate
Jun 11 21:16:08 <rightfuture>	think of what we could do if we could work together
Jun 11 21:16:09 <Aristophanes>	San Antonio here is getting a price hike in Solar
Jun 11 21:16:15 <rightfuture>	on the same page
Jun 11 21:16:18 <kitzuni>	I cleaned up the skills survery form, but had to delete the responses because the spreadsheet data went derp. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1uOYSeN4scqDF61ZPDEscF8RmFYSBeoFfGz2J-SZE5O8/viewform?usp=send_form
Jun 11 21:16:19 <Ristopher>	If we focused on multiple candidates in a single city our platform could be pushed and used as a success story.
Jun 11 21:16:25 <rightfuture>	I'm in Dallas
Jun 11 21:16:28 <Aristophanes>	Fees are due to go up, potentially making it not worth the consumer's getting in on it
Jun 11 21:16:39 <rightfuture>	Solar is going to get hit hard
Jun 11 21:16:41 <kitzuni>	Whenever you guys have time, it'd be awesome if you could fill it out
Jun 11 21:16:57 <rightfuture>	it is already competitive with fossil fuels here in Texas
Jun 11 21:16:59 <Necrotica>	I asked before, what is the target audience? To me it seems the younger people that are tech/internet savvy are a major focus
Jun 11 21:17:12 <Necrotica>	and by and large, most young people hate the GOP, just saying
Jun 11 21:17:18 <Ristopher>	In Tulsa at least, party politics matters less in city council elections.
Jun 11 21:17:40 <Ristopher>	In Oklahoma, good luck getting elected right now if you are not on the republican ballot.
Jun 11 21:18:01 <prolapsediving>	it's the same in Shreveport and Louisiana
Jun 11 21:18:12 <prolapsediving>	city politics aren't as partisan
Jun 11 21:18:29 <rightfuture>	I'm from Louisiana
Jun 11 21:18:29 <Necrotica>	that's why you have to start at a local level and build a foundation
Jun 11 21:18:36 <Ristopher>	Exactly
Jun 11 21:18:41 <rightfuture>	shhh
Jun 11 21:18:48 <rightfuture>	start small
Jun 11 21:18:54 <rightfuture>	and build on momentum
Jun 11 21:18:59 <Ristopher>	I would push for city councils for the next three election cycles to build relationships.
Jun 11 21:18:59 <Aristophanes>	Fracking has ruined Lake Medina
Jun 11 21:19:06 <rightfuture>	do it right and nothing will make us stumble
Jun 11 21:19:20 <Ristopher>	to build funding
Jun 11 21:19:28 <rightfuture>	Fracking is terrible and destructive
Jun 11 21:19:30 <Necrotica>	When people see that you and your party don't wreak MyTown, USA and they remember positive stuff you did to help the community, they start thinking and talking more about you, then you get into state congresses, mayors, governor, etc.
Jun 11 21:19:40 <Aristophanes>	I was almost going to buy a house out there.  The ad was like, "Oh yeah its on a Lake"  More like a valley with a pond.
Jun 11 21:19:44 <rightfuture>	I know how to build funding
Jun 11 21:19:46 <Ristopher>	+1 Necrotica
Jun 11 21:19:54 <prolapsediving>	^
Jun 11 21:19:59 <rightfuture>	funding we can do without problem with the right ideas
Jun 11 21:20:10 <rightfuture>	you have a good plan, and people will want to support it
Jun 11 21:20:17 <prolapsediving>	the only way we can get things done is on a grassroots leve
Jun 11 21:20:20 <prolapsediving>	*level
Jun 11 21:20:22 <rightfuture>	yes
Jun 11 21:20:24 <Ristopher>	even if you have a good plan people won't hear it.
Jun 11 21:20:28 <rightfuture>	we need to build a good plan
Jun 11 21:20:35 <rightfuture>	a solid foundation we can agree on
Jun 11 21:20:40 <Ristopher>	Have the plan but don't rely on the plan to carry you.
Jun 11 21:20:43 <Aristophanes>	I bet if we got a camera crew and just started walking around San Antonio's greater area we could probably demonstrate a lot of core problems with the way we are applying our technology versus what we COULD be doing
Jun 11 21:20:44 <rightfuture>	we need focus
Jun 11 21:20:45 <Necrotica>	When's the last time you voted? Do you remember or even know who the hell the local election people are? Many of them don't even have a D or R next to their names
Jun 11 21:21:15 <Aristophanes>	Record lows right now for primaries this year
Jun 11 21:21:22 <mako>	San Antonio is soooo humid though
Jun 11 21:21:26 <Ristopher>	I vote in every election, but you're right, few do and even fewer research their positions before they walk in to the booth.
Jun 11 21:21:30 <mako>	very unconductive
Jun 11 21:21:31 <pastor>	is the goal of this to get elected officials into office?
Jun 11 21:21:37 <Aristophanes>	I'm from Michigan.  You want to talk about humid summers, go there
Jun 11 21:21:39 <rightfuture>	Dallas is better
Jun 11 21:21:55 <rightfuture>	Louisiana tops humid summers, more than Houston
Jun 11 21:22:13 <prolapsediving>	^^^
Jun 11 21:22:17 <prolapsediving>	this 1000x
Jun 11 21:22:28 <Necrotica>	Pastor - Yes, otherwise what's the point... Ed said run on R or D tickets to begin with, but they'll want to vet and control you big time... if you don't support what they want and want to play ball, they cut funding and run ads against you too
Jun 11 21:22:28 <Ristopher>	Question for someone in Texas: Do you know how the textbook commission gets selected currently?
Jun 11 21:22:52 <Aristophanes>	I remember arguing for a good ten minutes with the election people about not having paper ballots because I couldn't vote for some of the candidates I actually wanted to support.
Jun 11 21:22:54 <rightfuture>	by religion
Jun 11 21:23:01 <kitzuni>	http://www.reddit.com/r/futuristparty/comments/27xeg9/futurist_party_members_skill_survey/ Posted the survery to reddit as well.
Jun 11 21:23:03 <rightfuture>	no seriously
Jun 11 21:23:04 <prolapsediving>	i dunno, running on R or D tickets is good way to get absorbed and silenced
Jun 11 21:23:05 <Aristophanes>	Its illegal to run as an atheist here
Jun 11 21:23:07 <Necrotica>	Rist - voted in aren't they? But most ppl don't know who they're voting for
Jun 11 21:23:12 <Ristopher>	yea
Jun 11 21:23:13 <Ristopher>	found it
Jun 11 21:23:13 <rightfuture>	I am not an atheist btw
Jun 11 21:23:14 <rightfuture>	lol
Jun 11 21:23:21 <Aristophanes>	I'm Catholic, but still, that is absurd
Jun 11 21:23:42 <Ristopher>	If we want to make a HUGE impact, take over the Texas School Board.
Jun 11 21:23:56 <Aristophanes>	Ooooooooooh, that's actually a really good idea
Jun 11 21:24:03 <rightfuture>	We want to be the new reform and independent party
Jun 11 21:24:05 <prolapsediving>	that'd be interesting to see play out
Jun 11 21:24:13 <Aristophanes>	Good for publicity too
Jun 11 21:24:16 <Ristopher>	Texas is a huge text book market, and is the defacto standard maker for textbooks in half the country
Jun 11 21:24:23 <rightfuture>	bring in libertarians, to progressives, anyone with better ideas
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Jun 11 21:24:33 <rightfuture>	textbooks ugh
Jun 11 21:24:38 <rightfuture>	predatory behavior hate that
Jun 11 21:24:55 <rightfuture>	greed and predatory behavior are our undermining
Jun 11 21:25:08 <Ristopher>	it's not predatory behavior
Jun 11 21:25:11 <EdEnlightenU>	who here is interested in running someday?
Jun 11 21:25:14 <Aristophanes>	Its about fixing the content
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Jun 11 21:25:21 <rightfuture>	We can build a 1% growth rate ed I have a plan
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Jun 11 21:54:58 *	Now talking on #futuristparty
Jun 11 21:54:58 *	Topic for #futuristparty is: Informal Discussion: Candidates
Jun 11 21:54:58 *	Topic for #futuristparty set by Xenophon1!Xenophon1@user/Xenophon1 at Wed Jun 11 21:25:49 2014
Jun 11 21:55:11 <EdEnlightenU>	bostoniaa: does the Millennium project do studies on the most pressing matters of the human race?
Jun 11 21:55:22 <thatguywhoisthatguy>	doesnt physics suggest huge gravitty manipulation can facilitate time travel?
Jun 11 21:55:43 <thatguywhoisthatguy>	its not a strecth to imagine super-intelligent AI can do it
Jun 11 21:55:45 <rightfuture>	I like the Millenial Project own the book
Jun 11 21:55:55 <rightfuture>	7 steps to colonize the galaxy
Jun 11 21:56:01 <gobi>	i haven't seen anything about time manipulation that would actualy allow for causality to be violated, but i failed out of physics
Jun 11 21:56:05 <bostoniaa>	Yes & no. Jerry always says that there is no one most pressing matter & the most important thing is to increase collective intelligence
Jun 11 21:56:10 <bostoniaa>	Which I kind of see
Jun 11 21:56:19 <rightfuture>	collective intelligence is our biggest key
Jun 11 21:56:21 <Necrotica>	How often do you ask a question or get asked one and you immediately whip out your smart phone and look the answer up, even stupid shit like who was in what movie
Jun 11 21:56:43 <rightfuture>	if we coordinate correctly the collective influence we have will be hard to beat
Jun 11 21:56:46 <thatguywhoisthatguy>	Perhaps casuality is avoided by manifesting subtly like in the minds of Philip K dick, vernor Vinge and Ray kurzweil
Jun 11 21:56:46 <bostoniaa>	Whats more important: Finding sustainable intelligence or stopping massive plague due to bioengineering
Jun 11 21:56:48 <Aristophanes>	I have a theory I'm working on (math free more or less) for a book I'm writing in which all time-lines feed in to one "real" time-line.  The rest become imaginary numbers that serve to solve an equation.
Jun 11 21:57:01 <thatguywhoisthatguy>	among others
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Jun 11 21:57:02 <rightfuture>	understand that dynamics and making sure things work is one of my favorite things to think about and study
Jun 11 21:57:07 <EdEnlightenU>	hey Wgzom
Jun 11 21:57:12 <Houshalter>	thatguywhoisthatguy, time travel isn't possible
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Jun 11 21:57:21 <EdEnlightenU>	what do you mean Finding sustainable intelligence?
Jun 11 21:57:28 <Necrotica>	neither was breaking the speed of sound
Jun 11 21:57:30 <EdEnlightenU>	hey cj
Jun 11 21:57:38 <stinkear>	sustainable intelligence = continued well being of our society?
Jun 11 21:57:42 <thatguywhoisthatguy>	maybe for humans to ascertain Houshalter, Im speculating super-intelligence may do it
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Jun 11 21:57:51 <Guest89868>	Hello! Just discovered this..
Jun 11 21:57:52 <gobi>	@bostoniaa I think you make a great point. We need to make sure that the acknowledgement of large existential risks are of central concern to government of any type.
Jun 11 21:58:02 <Houshalter>	i mean it's not logially possible in the same way a superintelligence wouldn't be able to make 2 + 2 = 5
Jun 11 21:58:09 <rightfuture>	sustaining the improvement of collective intelligence
Jun 11 21:58:13 <rightfuture>	would basically
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Jun 11 21:58:22 <rightfuture>	be our goal
Jun 11 21:58:28 <rightfuture>	taking the best ideas
Jun 11 21:58:28 <Guest89868>	quick question- sorry to disrupt- how many scientists do we have here?
Jun 11 21:58:33 <thatguywhoisthatguy>	Doesnt physics describe huge gravity wells affecting time-space?
Jun 11 21:58:44 <stinkear>	there's many ways to do that - free market , evil corporation, etc, who decides
Jun 11 21:58:45 <rightfuture>	and adding our voices in a constructe way to become collectively more intelligent
Jun 11 21:58:53 <bostoniaa>	Yes Gobi I agree. Its an interesting problem - how we create and maintain collective intelligence
Jun 11 21:58:53 <rightfuture>	and make better decisions
Jun 11 21:58:53 <Necrotica>	Guest - what defines that, actually working in the field doing a job ?
Jun 11 21:58:57 <Houshalter>	some models yes
Jun 11 21:58:59 <rightfuture>	I have ideas
Jun 11 21:59:05 <bostoniaa>	Honestly I think Reddit is one of the best examples
Jun 11 21:59:12 <bostoniaa>	Take /r/asksscience
Jun 11 21:59:20 <rightfuture>	It is good but does not make further connections
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Jun 11 21:59:31 <rightfuture>	we need a reddit that deposits knowledge like a wiki
Jun 11 21:59:35 <bostoniaa>	It can give me a better answer on an extremely specific question than nearly anything else
Jun 11 21:59:35 <rightfuture>	better ideas rising
Jun 11 21:59:36 <gobi>	Existential Risk's that we should have a stance on as a group: Nuclear Arms Proliferation, Chemical Weapons, Viral Weapons, Genetic Weapons,  Nanotech Weapons, Robotic Weapons, Bad Strong AI
Jun 11 21:59:38 <thatguywhoisthatguy>	If those have merit is it too wild to speculate super-intelligence can manipulate this effect
Jun 11 21:59:46 <Guest89868>	Scientist as defined by education- collegiate degree for example
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Jun 11 21:59:59 <bostoniaa>	& we need a reddit where providing good content = money
Jun 11 22:00:05 <Houshalter>	gobi, as in don't invest in these things or what?
Jun 11 22:00:05 <rightfuture>	we do need to take inclusive stands on risks to humanity
Jun 11 22:00:12 <gobi>	Just have a position
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Jun 11 22:00:21 <bostoniaa>	Like the bitcoin tip bot on steroids
Jun 11 22:00:25 <gobi>	I think that investment in those things is necissary, not the weapons but the technologies
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Jun 11 22:00:58 <Houshalter>	the simplest way to put it is if you can go back in time, you could do stuff like stop yourself from going back in time.
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Jun 11 22:01:57 <EdEnlightenU>	wouldn't we be against all of them?
Jun 11 22:02:11 <EdEnlightenU>	maybe robotic weapons we wouldn't
Jun 11 22:02:14 <bostoniaa>	that to me is one of the most interesting models for a post-automation economy
Jun 11 22:02:15 <Houshalter>	the weapons come with the technology
Jun 11 22:02:16 <rightfuture>	we have to make bold stands but not drive people away
Jun 11 22:02:16 <rightfuture>	we have to be smart
Jun 11 22:02:16 <rightfuture>	we do not want to shy away from making statements
Jun 11 22:02:17 <EdEnlightenU>	because drones exist
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Jun 11 22:02:22 <Houshalter>	you can't have your cake and eat it too
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Jun 11 22:02:26 <gobi>	sorry, my internet is a bastard
Jun 11 22:02:28 <rightfuture>	and committing to carefully thought out positions
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Jun 11 22:02:41 <prolapsediving>	what kind of position?
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Jun 11 22:02:51 <prolapsediving>	i mean, i think we can all agree that they're bad
Jun 11 22:02:55 <rightfuture>	I know a lot about crafting a message
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Jun 11 22:03:02 <prolapsediving>	and we need to do whatever we can to prevent them
Jun 11 22:03:09 <gobi>	I don't think any of those topics can be banned (nano, AI, Robotics). But we will need to make sure there is transparency and public discourse around the risks so that proper ethical limits can be set
Jun 11 22:03:15 <rightfuture>	the positions we want to take define us
Jun 11 22:03:18 <EdEnlightenU>	can anyone get a log of the meeting?
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Jun 11 22:03:24 <pastor>	i take back what i said a little. i think the govt does take ai probably very seriously. but i dont think theyve had the epiphany about what could really happen yet. and the general public thinks ai is preposterous science fiction nonsense
Jun 11 22:03:29 <rightfuture>	we want to talk about all future ideas
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Jun 11 22:03:43 <gobi>	For instance there is currently a general ban on self replicating nanobots
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Jun 11 22:03:48 <rightfuture>	we want to encourage speculation and thought from real world risks to sci-fi
Jun 11 22:03:56 <rightfuture>	we are talking about the future after all
Jun 11 22:04:01 <Necrotica>	Got DC'd and lost a lot of stuff... argh
Jun 11 22:04:05 <gobi>	its sort of a gentelmens agreement and wont stop them from being created, but it may buy some time and avoid grey goo scenarios
Jun 11 22:04:13 <rightfuture>	we must be careful about predictions also
Jun 11 22:04:34 <EdEnlightenU>	how can I get a log of the meeting?
Jun 11 22:04:36 <EdEnlightenU>	anyone know?
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Jun 11 22:04:56 <gobi>	I just finished reading Ray Kurzweil's 'The Singularity is Near' and he talks a lot about these risks, I was really impressed with that book, I expected it to be a lot more fanatical.
Jun 11 22:05:01 <thatguywhoisthatguy>	got d/c
Jun 11 22:05:04 <Houshalter>	i only have parts of it logged when I was online
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Jun 11 22:05:15 <rightfuture>	kurweil is good
Jun 11 22:05:16 <thatguywhoisthatguy>	did i convince you about time travel houshalter?
Jun 11 22:05:17 <gobi>	Xeno would probably know
Jun 11 22:05:35 <rightfuture>	I read a lot of time travel sci-fi as well
Jun 11 22:05:46 <Necrotica>	Time travel doesn't matter right now
Jun 11 22:05:57 <thatguywhoisthatguy>	haha
Jun 11 22:05:58 <rightfuture>	yep not a great political position,
Jun 11 22:06:04 <thatguywhoisthatguy>	sounds ironic
Jun 11 22:06:08 <rightfuture>	but great for us to bring discussion on
Jun 11 22:06:14 <threefourme>	EdEnlightenU: do you see my CTCP file transfer request
Jun 11 22:06:26 <EdEnlightenU>	no
Jun 11 22:06:41 <gobi>	There are several things that will be interesting to talk about but will have very little to no bearing on our decisions. They are as far as I can think: Time Travel, Reality as  Simulation, Hard Singularity