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  1. (9:09:31 PM) namingMistake: I know, economics do not appeal to many in what is basically a post-scarcity economy
  2. (9:09:42 PM) namingMistake: But I belive you will find it quite relevant to your current endeavors
  3. (9:09:49 PM) namingMistake: Allow me to aid you
  4. (9:09:51 PM) namingMistake: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox
  5. (9:09:58 PM) namingMistake: As for the second
  6. (9:10:11 PM) spacetimeCounselor: well yeah that's just supply and demand and the rebound effect
  7. (9:10:21 PM) spacetimeCounselor: where are you going with this
  8. (9:10:27 PM) namingMistake: Read more carefully, and consider what you are trying to do yourself
  9. (9:10:38 PM) spacetimeCounselor: trying to destroy the game?
  10. (9:10:47 PM) namingMistake: In the more immediate term
  11. (9:10:53 PM) namingMistake: The term you will actually survive to complete
  12. (9:11:22 PM) spacetimeCounselor: are you talkin about the lotus project
  13. (9:11:39 PM) namingMistake: Yes.
  14. (9:11:43 PM) spacetimeCounselor: like, increasing knowledge of the game makes people better at it and play it faster and destroy more worlds, or
  15. (9:11:58 PM) namingMistake: Consider, if you will
  16. (9:12:03 PM) namingMistake: The immediate effects of your project
  17. (9:12:23 PM) spacetimeCounselor: stoppin people from dying as often
  18. (9:12:39 PM) namingMistake: Let us take a step backwards then
  19. (9:12:39 PM) spacetimeCounselor: makin people think about escape
  20. (9:12:47 PM) namingMistake: Benedict, would you do me a favor?
  21. (9:12:52 PM) namingMistake: Briefly describe Alternai
  22. (9:13:16 PM) spacetimeCounselor: planet full of a bunch of psycho children
  23. (9:13:30 PM) namingMistake: What is life like on this planet?
  24. (9:13:47 PM) namingMistake: And, most importantly
  25. (9:13:47 PM) spacetimeCounselor: bad so far as i've heard, like friggin weird racism and hatelove and whatever
  26. (9:13:55 PM) namingMistake: Why does this planet exist, and in such a state?
  27. (9:14:16 PM) namingMistake: Allow me then
  28. (9:14:23 PM) namingMistake: Alternia is a planet of unbounded cruelty
  29. (9:14:24 PM) spacetimeCounselor: because a buncha alien space nazis decided to let their kids play Lord of the Flies on their breeding planet
  30. (9:14:37 PM) namingMistake: Children are raised into a harsh and unyielding caste system
  31. (9:14:48 PM) namingMistake: Death and bloodshed are a fact of life for even those at the top
  32. (9:14:53 PM) spacetimeCounselor: yeah i get that trollplanet sucks
  33. (9:14:55 PM) spacetimeCounselor: what's the point now
  34. (9:14:58 PM) namingMistake: Every citizen is drafted into the military without fail
  35. (9:15:03 PM) namingMistake: And why does this planet exist?
  36. (9:15:09 PM) spacetimeCounselor: 'cept the actors for some reason but yeah
  37. (9:15:17 PM) spacetimeCounselor: it exists because idk the game made it
  38. (9:15:18 PM) musicalDecay [[email protected]] entered the room.
  39. (9:15:23 PM) namingMistake: A hint: Have you heard of Beforan?
  40. (9:15:32 PM) spacetimeCounselor: i thought it was called beforus
  41. (9:15:42 PM) spacetimeCounselor: like some pre-scratch version that was all lighter and softer
  42. (9:15:43 PM) musicalDecay left the room.
  43. (9:15:44 PM) namingMistake: ((oops pretend I said taht)
  44. (9:16:09 PM) namingMistake: ((can't have the aura of superiority shattered by a mistake like that))
  45. (9:16:37 PM) spacetimeCounselor: ((sc isn't even a little bit under the impression that people are his superiors, at all, but aight))
  46. (9:16:47 PM) namingMistake: The reason that Alternia is how it is
  47. (9:16:55 PM) namingMistake: Is because Beforus is, by an objective measure
  48. (9:17:01 PM) namingMistake: Not as useful for Skaia
  49. (9:17:20 PM) namingMistake: The tools it produces, such as they are, are less likely to be used successfully
  50. (9:17:47 PM) namingMistake: You KNOW this
  51. (9:17:56 PM) spacetimeCounselor: i heard it was like beforan trolls were like shit at the game and all had to scratch yeah
  52. (9:18:16 PM) spacetimeCounselor: still not seeing where this is all going
  53. (9:18:19 PM) namingMistake: I saw your theory
  54. (9:18:28 PM) namingMistake: You have come so close to hitting on the truth
  55. (9:18:40 PM) namingMistake: The horrible truth
  56. (9:18:40 PM) spacetimeCounselor: which is?
  57. (9:18:44 PM) spacetimeCounselor: which iiiis?
  58. (9:18:54 PM) namingMistake: We are all Skaia's pawns here
  59. (9:18:59 PM) namingMistake: You, me, the founders
  60. (9:19:02 PM) spacetimeCounselor: well yeah obviously
  61. (9:19:12 PM) namingMistake: What is skaia's goal
  62. (9:19:30 PM) spacetimeCounselor: makin universes and then eatin more universes and basically reproduction and shit
  63. (9:19:43 PM) spacetimeCounselor: i could do without the eating part
  64. (9:19:53 PM) namingMistake: [apoBak: Facepalm at how slow Ben is on the uptake]
  65. (9:20:09 PM) namingMistake: It's purpose is to reproduce
  66. (9:20:13 PM) spacetimeCounselor: yep
  67. (9:20:24 PM) spacetimeCounselor: ostensibly ayway
  68. (9:20:25 PM) spacetimeCounselor: *anyway
  69. (9:20:31 PM) namingMistake: And every action which increases the likelihood that a session will end successfully
  70. (9:20:35 PM) namingMistake: Furthers this purpose
  71. (9:20:49 PM) spacetimeCounselor: it doesn't really work in terms of likelihoods usually but yeah
  72. (9:21:04 PM) namingMistake: How are you not understanding this?
  73. (9:21:13 PM) namingMistake: Has it not occurred to you to question your incredible fortune?
  74. (9:21:33 PM) spacetimeCounselor: you think the game's manipulating me to help make universes
  75. (9:21:42 PM) spacetimeCounselor: because i mean yeah that's what it does
  76. (9:21:48 PM) spacetimeCounselor: but i can have my own agenda
  77. (9:21:49 PM) namingMistake: Ideal initial conditions do not occur by chance
  78. (9:21:59 PM) namingMistake: Not for me, and not for you
  79. (9:22:07 PM) namingMistake: Especially not twenty consequetive times
  80. (9:22:17 PM) spacetimeCounselor: ideal conditions don't really happen
  81. (9:22:25 PM) spacetimeCounselor: like right now i'm in a session fulla murdertrolls
  82. (9:22:30 PM) spacetimeCounselor: fuckin ridiculous these guys
  83. (9:22:35 PM) namingMistake: Your conditions are incredibly ideal
  84. (9:22:49 PM) namingMistake: Twenty sessions of the most impressionable minds it can find
  85. (9:22:55 PM) spacetimeCounselor: ideal is a superlative
  86. (9:22:58 PM) namingMistake: Fresh out of their first sessions, full of hurt
  87. (9:23:05 PM) spacetimeCounselor: and really it's basic demographics
  88. (9:23:08 PM) namingMistake: And you have managed to avoid any title which would truly stifle your ais
  89. (9:23:10 PM) namingMistake: aims
  90. (9:23:22 PM) spacetimeCounselor: like, for some reason replaying into first sessions is rare
  91. (9:23:37 PM) spacetimeCounselor: so the majority of replays are gonna be with people just past that
  92. (9:24:01 PM) spacetimeCounselor: and titles can be worked around, like, i get fucking mage of void later
  93. (9:24:10 PM) namingMistake: Do you need me to paint you a picture?
  94. (9:24:19 PM) spacetimeCounselor: paint away
  95. (9:24:23 PM) namingMistake: Skaia gives you twenty sessions to dance to its strings
  96. (9:24:36 PM) namingMistake: Writing your guides and expanding our knowledge of how to survive its trials
  97. (9:24:48 PM) namingMistake: And just before you feel yourself prepared to strike out at it
  98. (9:24:53 PM) namingMistake: Slays you on the spot
  99. (9:24:57 PM) spacetimeCounselor: it's really not a great puppeteer but-
  100. (9:25:02 PM) namingMistake: You are naught but its pawn
  101. (9:25:02 PM) spacetimeCounselor: dude cmon
  102. (9:25:20 PM) spacetimeCounselor: the game doesn't do long-term planning like that
  103. (9:25:25 PM) namingMistake: Of course it does
  104. (9:25:25 PM) namingMistake: Michael Andrews is another of its pawns
  105. (9:25:29 PM) spacetimeCounselor: who
  106. (9:25:38 PM) namingMistake: There is no reason he should have survived this long with his disposition
  107. (9:25:41 PM) namingMistake: But he creates the lifecakes
  108. (9:25:44 PM) namingMistake: and they are of use to Skaia
  109. (9:25:44 PM) spacetimeCounselor: oh balspe
  110. (9:25:50 PM) namingMistake: So it ensures he lives
  111. (9:26:04 PM) namingMistake: Just as it currently ensures you are succesful in your endeavors
  112. (9:26:07 PM) spacetimeCounselor: it /really/ doesn't plan in that much detail
  113. (9:26:16 PM) namingMistake: It has not the time to plan for every soul it ensnares
  114. (9:26:20 PM) spacetimeCounselor: an individual skaia instance is usually limited to its single session
  115. (9:26:26 PM) namingMistake: But I'm sure you recognize that you are a cut above "every soul"
  116. (9:26:47 PM) spacetimeCounselor: dude i'm all for conspiracy theories but i got this under control
  117. (9:27:00 PM) spacetimeCounselor: the game's just clearly not that smart
  118. (9:27:20 PM) spacetimeCounselor: it doesn't plan, it gives the illusion of planning via a bunch of narrative enforcement mechanics
  119. (9:27:36 PM) namingMistake: "The game" is not an entity worth considering
  120. (9:27:47 PM) namingMistake: There is Skaia, and there are the Angels, and there are the Terrors
  121. (9:27:52 PM) namingMistake: Each has its own goal
  122. (9:28:07 PM) namingMistake: And pursues it within the bounds of a labrynthe of rules
  123. (9:28:31 PM) spacetimeCounselor: well the terrors have like fifty thousand competing goals and are basically universally batshit but i mean yeah
  124. (9:28:36 PM) namingMistake: To underestimate any of the three is to become a pawn
  125. (9:28:41 PM) spacetimeCounselor: there's agendas but they're not really intelligently pursued
  126. (9:29:28 PM) spacetimeCounselor: if skaia could plan how to ensure propagation in detail it wouldn't need all these ridiculous repair mechanics
  127. (9:29:40 PM) spacetimeCounselor: like scratching and updating and denizen blessings and shit
  128. (9:29:44 PM) namingMistake: "Repair mechanics"
  129. (9:30:09 PM) namingMistake: How is salvaging resources which would be lost unintelligent?
  130. (9:30:20 PM) spacetimeCounselor: because they're rigid systems
  131. (9:30:35 PM) spacetimeCounselor: if skaia could really pull those kind of strings, it wouldn't need all these failsafes
  132. (9:30:46 PM) spacetimeCounselor: especially not on a regular basis like it does
  133. (9:30:56 PM) namingMistake: And if the Horrorterrors could really act directly and without calling
  134. (9:31:00 PM) namingMistake: We would already all be dead
  135. (9:31:11 PM) namingMistake: There are RULES, Benedict
  136. (9:31:17 PM) namingMistake: Rules constraining each side
  137. (9:31:22 PM) namingMistake: But do not be fooled
  138. (9:31:25 PM) spacetimeCounselor: the game wouldn't need to kill people who are "useless" to it if it could just manipulate them into being useful anyway
  139. (9:33:17 PM) spacetimeCounselor: anyway idk what you're trying to say here, like
  140. (9:33:26 PM) spacetimeCounselor: to be afraid of the game because it's hostile to me?
  141. (9:33:31 PM) spacetimeCounselor: not a surprise
  142. (9:34:16 PM) namingMistake: I am saying that your current endeavor is misguided
  143. (9:34:30 PM) namingMistake: You will do more harm than you can comprehend
  144. (9:34:38 PM) namingMistake: By your OWN stated code of ethics
  145. (9:34:39 PM) spacetimeCounselor: how so
  146. (9:34:51 PM) namingMistake: This should not be difficult
  147. (9:34:58 PM) namingMistake: Whether it is intelligent or not
  148. (9:35:05 PM) namingMistake: If survival rates go up
  149. (9:35:12 PM) namingMistake: There are more sessions and more are successful
  150. (9:35:17 PM) namingMistake: Thus, the game spreads faster
  151. (9:35:23 PM) spacetimeCounselor: i really don't object to the creation of universes, dude
  152. (9:35:28 PM) spacetimeCounselor: more to the destruction of planets
  153. (9:35:32 PM) spacetimeCounselor: that part's the sticky bit
  154. (9:35:38 PM) spacetimeCounselor: the whole unnecessary meteor thing
  155. (9:36:38 PM) namingMistake: And you see no connection between the spread of the game and the spread of its wanton genocide?
  156. (9:37:32 PM) spacetimeCounselor: well it kind of created the universes in the first place, allegedly- the wanton genocide is an unfortunate side-effect
  157. (9:37:43 PM) spacetimeCounselor: the game's honestly pretty cool except for the constant murders
  158. (9:37:59 PM) spacetimeCounselor: it's either gotta go or gotta change
  159. (9:38:37 PM) namingMistake: I seek to make it "go"
  160. (9:38:56 PM) spacetimeCounselor: yeah workin on that
  161. (9:41:07 PM) namingMistake: Enough of this
  162. (9:41:36 PM) namingMistake: I clearly have overestimated your committment to your cause if this pointless arguing is all you can do
  163. (9:41:49 PM) namingMistake: You have not even asked what I wanted yet
  164. (9:41:49 PM) spacetimeCounselor: what exactly were you expecting
  165. (9:41:55 PM) spacetimeCounselor: what do you even wa- yeah
  166. (9:41:58 PM) spacetimeCounselor: i was gonna ask
  167. (9:42:06 PM) spacetimeCounselor: you just kept being paranoid at me
  168. (9:42:29 PM) namingMistake: If you will not take this seriously, I cannot make you
  169. (9:42:31 PM) namingMistake: In any case
  170. (9:42:38 PM) spacetimeCounselor: take what seriously
  171. (9:42:39 PM) namingMistake: How much do you know about Myra's servers?
  172. (9:42:50 PM) spacetimeCounselor: not a lot, they still won't let the eggs suit eon
  173. (9:42:53 PM) namingMistake: The ones on which we are now having this oh-so-delightful chat?
  174. (9:42:53 PM) spacetimeCounselor: *suite on
  175. (9:43:07 PM) spacetimeCounselor: they're hosted out in the ring somehow i heard
  176. (9:43:43 PM) ventricularPipefitter: (( oooooh now we're getting interesting. ))
  177. (9:43:53 PM) namingMistake: I would offer an... exchange of knowledge and services
  178. (9:44:13 PM) namingMistake: But I am starting to doubt that you actually possess the competence to carry out your end
  179. (9:44:14 PM) spacetimeCounselor: who's the knowledge and who's the services
  180. (9:44:26 PM) namingMistake: My knowledge, your services
  181. (9:44:31 PM) namingMistake: Although the services result in knowledge
  182. (9:44:45 PM) spacetimeCounselor: yeahhhh neither of us really have the bargaining chips here
  183. (9:44:55 PM) spacetimeCounselor: you're crazy and i can't hack myra's shit
  184. (9:44:58 PM) namingMistake: And the knowledge is how to thwart Myra's little defense system
  185. (9:45:03 PM) spacetimeCounselor: or whatever it is you wanted me to-
  186. (9:45:04 PM) spacetimeCounselor: oh
  187. (9:45:10 PM) spacetimeCounselor: hm
  188. (9:46:16 PM) namingMistake: I have the means for you to utterly fool the system as to one's identity
  189. (9:46:31 PM) spacetimeCounselor: as in, admin privileges
  190. (9:46:35 PM) namingMistake: Sadly, no
  191. (9:46:38 PM) spacetimeCounselor: because an anon access ain't much
  192. (9:46:47 PM) spacetimeCounselor: even i can do that, i have countless spoofs
  193. (9:46:49 PM) namingMistake: You can disguise yourself as another
  194. (9:46:53 PM) namingMistake: but not as one who already exists
  195. (9:46:54 PM) spacetimeCounselor: which another
  196. (9:47:18 PM) namingMistake: And can these spoofs be used to dodge administrative action?
  197. (9:47:19 PM) namingMistake: Because if not
  198. (9:47:26 PM) namingMistake: The only one being fooled is yourself
  199. (9:47:46 PM) spacetimeCounselor: yeah they pretty much can
  200. (9:47:52 PM) spacetimeCounselor: being anonymous isn't hard
  201. (9:47:56 PM) namingMistake: Really now?
  202. (9:48:00 PM) spacetimeCounselor: is that really your foolproof breakin plan
  203. (9:48:11 PM) namingMistake: I draw your attention briefly to the main channel
  204. (9:48:53 PM) namingMistake is now known as birthdayCackle
  205. (9:49:47 PM) unpatchedPirate is now known as twinkleFins
  206. (9:49:48 PM) You are now known as SMITH_OF_HEART
  207. (9:53:33 PM) birthdayCackle is now known as namingMistake
  208. (9:55:15 PM) spacetimeCounselor: okay you drew my attention to the main channel
  209. (9:55:24 PM) spacetimeCounselor: did you pretend to be that poison guy to make a point
  210. (9:55:26 PM) namingMistake: And you saw me
  211. (9:55:29 PM) namingMistake: You saw me enter
  212. (9:55:35 PM) namingMistake: You saw me muted, then banned
  213. (9:55:39 PM) namingMistake: You saw me reenter
  214. (9:55:44 PM) namingMistake: You saw me speak
  215. (9:55:46 PM) spacetimeCounselor: uh-huh
  216. (9:55:57 PM) spacetimeCounselor: nice job having multiple accounts dude
  217. (9:56:05 PM) namingMistake: Tell me you could have done the same, and I will cease speaking with you forever
  218. (9:56:32 PM) spacetimeCounselor: oh cool aight then
  219. (9:56:37 PM) spacetimeCounselor: lemme boot up a spoof
  220. (9:57:13 PM) SMITH_OF_HEART: (( Ohhh, right. If BC and NM are the same guy, the rename/shell would be meaningless, because....aaand let's see what happens with SC's situation. He's only working with one, after all.))
  221. (9:57:16 PM) namingMistake: Do you really need to be reminded of all the times you failed to fool her servers are a ban?
  222. (9:57:28 PM) spacetimeCounselor: well i didn't have 20 sessions of servers then
  223. (9:57:43 PM) spacetimeCounselor: none of my friends would let me use their computers either
  224. (9:57:49 PM) namingMistake: ((BC/NM/AB uses different shiny dongles ripped out of other players' bodies to dodge bans))
  225. (9:58:05 PM) namingMistake: Do proceed then
  226. (9:58:07 PM) namingMistake: This should be amusing
  227. (9:58:18 PM) SMITH_OF_HEART: (( ....wait, how does he use another dongle if the player's dead? ))
  228. (9:58:27 PM) namingMistake is now known as justKidding
  229. (9:59:49 PM) justKidding: ((Hold on this requires an OOC discussion))
  230. (10:07:45 PM) spacetimeCounselor: so yeah, having allies: hella useful for circumventing shit
  231. (10:07:59 PM) justKidding: The inanity of your actions is only rivaled by their pointlessness
  232. (10:08:05 PM) spacetimeCounselor: even when everyone's killing each other i got a dude on my side, see
  233. (10:08:12 PM) justKidding: You admitted outright that you used another as a proxy
  234. (10:08:22 PM) spacetimeCounselor: yeah dude
  235. (10:08:33 PM) spacetimeCounselor: bans i don't have to worry about
  236. (10:08:46 PM) spacetimeCounselor: what else do you have to offer for whatever it is you do
  237. (10:09:25 PM) justKidding: The fact that you are STILL not taking this seriously boggles the mind
  238. (10:09:38 PM) justKidding: You did hear their reaction to my appearance, no?
  239. (10:09:59 PM) spacetimeCounselor: yeah because you impersonated a poison murder dude
  240. (10:10:41 PM) justKidding: ...
  241. (10:10:43 PM) justKidding: Benedict, you are a fool
  242. (10:10:54 PM) justKidding: When you feel like ceasing to be Skaia's pawn
  243. (10:10:59 PM) justKidding: Contact me
  244. (10:11:00 PM) spacetimeCounselor: i hope you're not trying to say you ARE poison murder dude
  245. (10:11:10 PM) justKidding: Until then, continue spreading the genocide at your leisure
  246. (10:11:14 PM) spacetimeCounselor: because then i would have to turn you in like straightawat yknow
  247. (10:11:16 PM) spacetimeCounselor: *away
  248. (10:11:27 PM) spacetimeCounselor: that would be a problem see
  249. (10:11:52 PM) spacetimeCounselor: i don't cotton to fellas what murder people unless they can actually help me with shit
  250. (10:12:27 PM) spacetimeCounselor: but of course you're not, certainly, so we don't need to worry about that
  251. (10:13:06 PM) justKidding: Skaia's taste in pawns sickens me
  252. (10:13:07 PM) justKidding: I am leaving
  253. (10:13:17 PM) ***justKidding has ceased pestering spacetimeCounselor
  254. (10:15:09 PM) You are now known as ventricularPipefitter
  255. (10:16:31 PM) tenaciousTheseus left the room.
  256. (10:17:47 PM) ballisticSpectacle left the room.
  257. (10:22:10 PM) ventricularPipefitter: Heh.
  258. (10:22:11 PM) ventricularPipefitter: This.
  259. (10:22:19 PM) ventricularPipefitter: (( I assume OOC now? ))
  260. (10:22:51 PM) eminenceGlasseye left the room.
  261. (10:23:26 PM) spacetimeCounselor: yeah yeah
  262. (10:24:29 PM) ventricularPipefitter: I was *amused*
  263. (10:24:44 PM) ventricularPipefitter: I liked that Benedict really wasn't up for playing some kind of spooky mysterious game
  264. (10:26:28 PM) spacetimeCounselor: he doesn't want to make bargains with equals
  265. (10:26:35 PM) spacetimeCounselor: especially those that call him stupid pawns
  266. (10:26:45 PM) ventricularPipefitter: the thing that interested me, is?
  267. (10:26:57 PM) ventricularPipefitter: Between Ben's new hunch, and Ross's guilt over Aelf?
  268. (10:27:12 PM) ventricularPipefitter: SpaCou wouldn't, but. If he did just ask for documentation on the servers?
  269. (10:27:17 PM) ventricularPipefitter: He'd get a substantial amount.
  270. (10:27:54 PM) spacetimeCounselor: right now he's been asking every so often to put his "eggs suite" inside
  271. (10:28:17 PM) spacetimeCounselor: kinda like arnold, only it doesn't spy on private communications
  272. (10:28:19 PM) ventricularPipefitter: Eggs?
  273. (10:28:29 PM) spacetimeCounselor: just for trying to search through the architecture
  274. (10:28:29 PM) stanzicApparati: "Eggs Benedict"
  275. (10:31:13 PM) spacetimeCounselor: yep
  276. (10:31:37 PM) spacetimeCounselor: hey venpip do you have access to a log of this channel
  277. (10:31:43 PM) ventricularPipefitter: yep
  278. (10:32:05 PM) spacetimeCounselor: mind grabbin it for me, zero wants to take a look
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