The nature of theism, Catholic child rape, MHC

 Erfquake  13:27:10
Nonsense.
+ Thacker-  13:27:12
innit, I disagree
Erfquake, totally, sorry
innit  13:27:18
Or you could say fusion is the thing that happens in stars, and our word fusion is a low-resolution map of that reality.
+ Erfquake  13:27:22
Thacker-, sorry indeed.
+ Thacker-  13:27:23
intuition isn't pulled outta one's ass
innit  13:27:35
Thacker-: On the Origin of Species refuted your claim by at least 1859.
+ Thacker-  13:27:40
everyone applies statstical standards, whether they know it or not
innit, which was utter bull schiff
RenaissanceMan  13:27:51
BlackXanthus: Yes. I've read Mary Douglas. And Claude Levi-Strauss as well.
+ Erfquake  13:27:53
lol
+ Thacker-  13:27:58
innit, the more we know the more absurd its claims
+ Erfquake  13:28:10
there isn't a single respected biologist on the planet who denies that evolution is a fat.
fact
innit  13:28:13
Thacker-: Acceptance of On the Origin of Specie is a prerequisite for me for this conversation
+ Thacker-  13:28:16
particularly the more we know about information and its preservation
innit, which is bull schiff
+ T1r3sias  13:28:23
Religion doesnt tell you anything.
+ Thacker-  13:28:41
the Cambrain explosion, explodes Darwin
RenaissanceMan  13:28:51
BlackXanthus: lol. Not ALL of strauss. But two books worth at least. :-)
+ T1r3sias  13:29:10
Religion supports what you already want to believe,
+ Thacker-  13:29:15
innit, there are no precursers for the body plans of the cambrain
innit  13:29:18
I'm not open to debating the validity of evolution at this time.
+ Thacker-  13:29:20
period
innit  13:29:26
It's a known truth for this conversation
RenaissanceMan  13:29:29
BlackXanthus: lol. I'd be happy to provide. lol.
+ Thacker-  13:29:33
innit, bottom line, intelligent design will win this
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Ignoring Thacker-
+ T1r3sias  13:29:45
innit: Creationists, climate change denies, and libertarians :)
+ Erfquake  13:29:49
and here we go with the tantrum and ignore again
innit  13:29:50
Thacker-: I am going to disengage from that conversation
For me, intelligent design is a public IQ test
+ Erfquake  13:30:10
intelligent design is religion, not science.
RenaissanceMan  13:30:15
BlackXanthus: Truthfully, I've read Mary Douglas in isolated papers like you've read levi-strauss.
innit  13:30:23
Erfquake: Yep.
+ Erfquake  13:30:37
Reliigon, not science.
intuition is not science.
innit  13:31:06
T1r3sias: I believe science denial has some interesting correlations to right-wing libertarianism.
I might be wrong about that, though.
RenaissanceMan  13:32:29
BlackXanthus: Unsurprising I suppose. But I'm guessing it would be pretty hard to do a course on Anthropology these days without spending a good chunk of time on Mary Douglas.
+ Erfquake  13:32:35
except there is no scientific evidence to show that a god exists or created anythig
+ T1r3sias  13:32:36
innit: I have never met anyone who held just one of those three beliefs
BS_Lewis  13:32:44
lol <CriticalPurple> I believe God created the universe, it is up to science to tell us how God did it.
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+ tzipsaway  13:33:07
<@BlackXanthus> RenaissanceMan: but yes, you can see the point that the idea of a 'Deity' we see in all kinds of random place, As douglass points out, it's quite difficult to show what we mean when we say 'God'.  lol!  Oh?  You don't say.
+ Erfquake  13:33:23
Thacker-, I suppose you'll have to get back to me when you actually study what Darwin did :))
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+ Erfquake  13:33:46
observation is not intuition :))
innit  13:34:00
I find theism quite fascinating.
+ Erfquake  13:34:12
lol
innit  13:34:14
I am still surprised that a lot of humans think it's legitimate.
It just feels like that means a speciation event is or has occurred.
+ T1r3sias  13:34:37
 <+CriticalPurple> Thacker- And Darwin has a very small portion of life to examine. a few islands of birds.
<+CriticalPurple> Thacker- I actually read the entire OoS
innit  13:34:57
Because the inability to detect the lack of validity in theism seem extremely unjustifiable.
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@ Ross  13:34:59
the only think darwin did with the finches is to prove all birds are not the same
BS_Lewis  13:35:07
<CriticalPurple> I believe God created the universe, it is up to science to tell us how God did it.
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Ignoring Ross
+ T1r3sias  13:35:14
Just imagine being so painfully stupid that you would post BOTH those things.
+ Erfquake  13:35:30
No respected scientist on the planet denies evolution.
lol
+ T1r3sias  13:36:03
Darwin studied so much more than "
innit  13:36:05
It seems so incredibly obvious theism is false.
I knew Christianity was false by age 12.
+ T1r3sias  13:36:16
Darwin studied so much more than "a few islands of birds"
+ Erfquake  13:36:29
Thacker-, lol
+ T1r3sias  13:36:34
But then, you would know that if you read the Origin of Species.
+ Erfquake  13:36:38
yeah, sure.
innit  13:36:52
Darwin isn't even relevant in regards to the truth of evolutionary theory.
Theists don't understand that because they don't understand science.
They run in social hierarchies where the bosses tell us what is real.
+ Erfquake  13:37:13
must be part of the secret special magical spiritual knowledge that overrides the validity of actual scientific study
innit  13:37:22
And so if you refute Boss Darwin, all his ideas collapse.
Which has zero merit in scientific epistemology.
I'm telling you, it's a different cognitive subspecies.
BS_Lewis  13:37:55
<CriticalPurple> I believe God created the universe, it is up to science to tell us how God did it.
Even better after his last quote
RenaissanceMan  13:38:32
Ross: Right. It's a compilation of primitive superstitions, from which should draw important lessons about primitive superstitions.
innit  13:39:00
Theism is always interesting as a thing humans are creating.
Theism as a description of reality has been refuted since the 1800s
also interesting*
RenaissanceMan  13:39:25
Ross: Unsurprising that we disagree on that one. :-)
innit  13:39:54
Here's something I find fascinating about a lot of Christians:
+ T1r3sias  13:40:13
Jesus..
innit  13:40:15
They spend their lives not caring much about knowledge, since they told themselves they already have all the answers in that one book.
+ T1r3sias  13:40:36
Darwin spent the entire book discussing scientific evidence you idiot.
innit  13:40:39
This is a way to live your life. One effect of living your life that way is that you won't be very educated or knowledgeable.
+ T1r3sias  13:40:51
because The Origin of Species was the work of a time when the biro had not yet been invented
RenaissanceMan  13:40:57
Ross: Not so much really. Granted it is the saga of a people who got conquered by actually important civilizations so frequently that it has to be a record. It would be much improved it it had more on actually important civilizations.
+ T1r3sias  13:40:59
Imagine typing that where people could see it!
innit  13:41:02
Meanwhile, some humans are spending a lot of their time being curious about how things works -- atheists and scientists -- and so learn a lot about how things work.
Then, Christians and atheists debate and the atheists lament the poor education and reasoning abilities of Christians, which immediately follows from their lifetime of lack of study.
+ T1r3sias  13:41:28
(Also, the cell was well known by the time of Darwin)
innit  13:41:40
And the Christians get offended you don't respect their undeveloped abilities.
+ T1r3sias  13:41:52
(Also, he spoke of many experiments in selective breeding)
innit  13:41:58
I find this incredibly indicative of lack of self-awareness.
And it seems one of the quintessential acts of the theistic mind.
RenaissanceMan  13:42:14
And now we have over 20,000 examples of transitional human forms. How cool is that?
+ T1r3sias  13:42:20
CriticalPurple: When do you think the cell was discovered?
CriticalPurple: When do you think the cell was discovered?
innit  13:43:06
"I just believe I am good at football without practice"
*gets smashed on the football field by people who practice football*
"You're being incredibly rude to me!"
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RenaissanceMan  13:43:48
Dunning-Kreuger Syndrom.
Syndrome
innit  13:43:58
Agreed.
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+ T1r3sias  13:44:01
The cell was discovered in the Renaissance.
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+ T1r3sias  13:44:13
Darwin was WELL aware of the existence of the cell
innit  13:44:19
Yes, let me be clear -- many atheists have very little respect for the intellectual qualities of theists or Christians.
That's because your culture doesn't value those things. This is what you're sown.
+ T1r3sias  13:44:37
CriticalPurple: When do you think the cell was discovered?
RenaissanceMan  13:44:39
Nicoli Tesla was an engineer. And a lunatic.
innit  13:44:46
If you wish to be treated with more respect, generate a better culture.
RenaissanceMan  13:44:55
MENSU?
+ T1r3sias  13:45:01
RenaissanceMan: Menus!
BS_Lewis  13:45:07
Quoting Darwin to take down Modern Synthesis is like quoting Galileo to take down science on the Jovian system. Dunning Kruger Effect indeed.
innit  13:45:09
It's like with Catholics.
Cleary, Catholics have a profound problem with their leaders raping kids.
+ tzip  13:45:45
innit, don't count me among those atheists.  The problem is the beginning premeses.  From there theists can stay very true to logic.
innit  13:45:48
We might not exactly what it is in Catholicism that makes their leaders enjoy raping kids so much, but until they stop doing it, we're not going to respect them very much.
Luckily, Jesus taught all about this.
+ tzip  13:46:09
ugh... .the leaders in the Catholic church don't enjoy raping kids.    geeeze.
innit  13:46:14
One of his central teachings was to not be a hypocritical religious person.
tzip: They do, actually.
+ tzip  13:46:30
um..
innit  13:46:36
https://www.vox.com/2018/8/15/17689994/catholic-sex-abuse-priest-crisis-pennsylvania-report
300 priests in ONE STATE.
How many priests do you think they missed in that state?
How many in all the states combined?
+ tzip  13:47:19
SOME PRIESTS molested children, innit.  That's not "Catholic leaders enjoy molesting children".   Think about that a minute, it's true.
innit  13:47:19
How many in all the countries combined where there is LESS protection of kids.
tzip: Correct usage of logical qualifiers is a very basic form of reasoning.
It's presumed all humans can do it correctly in this conversation.
Catholicism has a widespread problem with its leaders enjoying raping kids.
And until they stop doing that, they're not going to be respected.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_of_hierarchical_complexity#Stages_of_hierarchical_complexity
RenaissanceMan  13:49:10
Worth pointing out that MENSA people are a very odd sub-culture of the subgenius.  I mean what kind of smart person really wants to hang out with the socially disfuntional set of all geniuses?
innit  13:49:18
tzip, correct usage of logical qualifiers is stage 10 on MHC.
70% of humans are at stage 10 or above.
BS_Lewis  13:49:56
I just want to say hello for whoever is reading this in the future. Hello to Lania's pastebin!
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