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  1. Original topic:
  2. http://forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=6674
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  4.  
  5. Background info: Woozi made a post offering server hosting. Post included in screenshots. Post got removed afterwards by Somoon
  6.  
  7. Picture mirrors (ugphosting ones):
  8. http://i.imgur.com/YFgNb.png
  9. http://i.imgur.com/gGI1r.png
  10. http://i.imgur.com/NusJr.png
  11. http://i.imgur.com/qjl4R.png
  12. http://i.imgur.com/uFjtv.png
  13. - http://imgur.com/YFgNb,gGI1r,NusJr,qjl4R,uFjtv
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  16.  
  17. Woozi (Jakarta)
  18. 25/10/12 at 15:54:33
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  20.  
  21. - Name of the Person/Subject: Server management individuals
  22. - Date & Time: Last time - today
  23. - Reason: Deleting posts
  24. - Proofs (Screenshoots, Videos):
  25. [img width=700]http://ugphosting.16mb.com/images/proof-facile.png[/img]
  26. [img width=700]http://ugphosting.16mb.com/images/proof-facile2.png[/img]
  27. [img width=700]http://ugphosting.16mb.com/images/proof-facile3.png[/img]
  28. - Clear Description:
  29.  
  30. It is enough.
  31. That is why I have no other way than making this complaint.
  32. From time to time, again and again my posts on the forum get removed!
  33.  
  34. It happened before on the old host (SMFNEW) forum, happened just after the server moved (near the UGP's birthday) and happening now!
  35. Happening today!
  36. And the reason why I have the screenshots of my today's posts - I was ready! I was waiting for it! I was >90% sure that the posts will be deleted again by a "mysterious" person. A person who always removes my posts. A person who doesn't want other people to know what was written in my posts. A person who doesn't explain his actions to anyone. It is time, it is high time to make this report.
  37.  
  38. Last time (on UGP's b-day) I wrote one post. It got removed (very fast) + I know who was online that time. I made a new post, with questions why my post got deleted - and it was removed, too. Unfortunately, I used my phone that time and couldn't make a screenshot. I wanted, but couldn't.
  39. And now I made them!
  40.  
  41. Today I created a new topic about free samp hosting, which I can offer to some people, who needs.
  42. For example, for player, who was asking how to make port forwarding.
  43. I wrote him a reply just after posting the new thread. Right now it's still not deleted (oh, very bad! Dear deleter - it's time for you to delete it right now!!) - [url=http://forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=6635]http://forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=6635[/url]
  44.  
  45. It is screened also: [img width=700]http://ugphosting.16mb.com/images/proof-facile4.png[/img]
  46.  
  47. So, you can see that the whole my topic ([url=http://forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=6672.0]http://forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=6672.0[/url]) does not exist right now.
  48.  
  49. Infinity has replied under my topic, asking questions regarding the hosting project.
  50. I replied to Infinity with a good long post (you also can see it on the screenshots).
  51. And I DON'T KNOW - maybe Infinity haven't read my answer, because the whole topic got deleted!
  52.  
  53.  
  54.  
  55. You know why my posts get removed and not trashed?
  56. Simple - because this way there is no evidence. Nobody knows that something was posted by me, and of course nobody knows that someone is removing my posts. There are NO reasons to remove my posts. They contain no information, prohibited by the official forum rules or by common sense, at least. So, this posts deleting is illegal.
  57.  
  58.  
  59. Yes, my level was set to 0 half a year ago.
  60. But if you think it was an accident, you are wrong.
  61. Because it was a well-planned eliminating of a competitor. And I am very glad that most people from the UGP community already know it for a long time.
  62. The things, which still continue happening with me and my activity are the best proof of it.
  63.  
  64.  
  65. It is time to post the information about my demotion here.
  66. That time Jeffry and Palladium were away.
  67. It happened so that I had level 10 on the test server.
  68. So, I had access to the users' accounts information. The server management always has this information.
  69. But on the test server can happen that someone not from the team can get a high level and access to this info (because I got level 10 there anyway).
  70. There are no real passwords available from the game, but there is an information that can be used to successfully login with anyone's account.
  71. I was interested if it is possible, so I tried to login on the test server with someone's account. And the trying was successful.
  72. That time I have understood that it is very bad and should be reported. So, I wanted to report this thing to Jeffry as soon as he will come back.
  73. I knew that all the chat logs are saved, that's why I always talked with myself (while I was alone on the server) - it is my key, it is information that I'm not going to do something secret - I always try to log my thoughts and what I'm going to do.
  74. As I am 1st - a decent person, 2nd - a staff member, 3rd - server manager, of course I was not going to login into the UGP server with a 10-level account, to make something bad and destroy everything (or at least anything) - it just contradicts the common sense. Just imagine - a server manager, whose job is to improve the server in any way, will destroy the server. Yes, he will change the players' stats, he will do anything else. So, if he wants to ruin the server, he needs to make everything silently. And THAT'S WHY Woozi goes to the server to tell everyone about it!
  75. As main people know, it's not the first time I find a such problem. Last time, as someones may remember, I found a bug when every player could become an admin. And what did I do? Keep this in secret? Post this cool info on the forum? I talked about it with one of the admins, who helped me that time to test this bug and to proove that it really works in any case and for everyone. As the result, the bug was fixed that evening. (That's the time when MrTwister was 10th level admin).
  76. So, after my testings on the test server, I came to the UGP server. And I spoke about it to someone. Sorry, I don't remember good. It was IroN, if I'm not wrong. So, I told him that there is an access to every account, which can be a big problem, if wrong person will have this access. He didn't believe me first (of course, it sounds funny), so when we came to the test server, I logged in as Jeffry. This way I showed IroN that I'm not joking. I was talking about the fact that a more strong system should be on the test server, so noone should have access to high levels. (All this info must be kept in test server logs). That time KnightRider joined the test server. He wasn't talking, wasn't doing anything. Just was on the server. After about 2 minutes after logging as Jeffry I have changed my name back to Woozi. We were speaking with IroN about how can a one get access to account. He asked me to try to login with his account. That time KnightRider left the server, as quiet as he joined. Some time later, when we still were on the test server (me and IroN), joined ColaZero, who said "Woozi, you know that you are banned?". First my thought was "Sorry, what?". I asked who banned me, and Cola asked it was KnightRider. I was really shocked. I left the test server, joined UGP and yes, I was really banned. But the name of admin was not KnightRider. It was Secret. And the reason of ban was "Account hacking program".
  77. [img width=400]http://www.ugphosting.gixx.ru/images/sa-mp-278.png[/img]
  78. I didn't get it seriously, that's why my ban appeal wasn't so serious. It wasn't like "Sorry, what?!". I placed ban info and placed some information about password hashing, which could be interesting for people.
  79. Soon after that, 70% of my ban appeal was removed by Somoon. And in other topics he started making such posts as "Woozi couldn't use any commands, he's not admin anymore", agree, this is not a nice behaviour. So, I knew that I was not only banned, but also demoted.
  80.  
  81. Summary:
  82. KnightRider has banned me secretly, while I was away. He didn't even spoke with me about anything.
  83. He banned me using strange name and unproper reason - what means account hacking program?! If I have a grenade, it doesn't mean that I'm going to throw it to you. Plus, many people have grenades. Far not everybody, but many.
  84. He demoted me. He was the same admin level as me (level 8), he wasn't 'above' me. So, he had no rights to demote me. Especially with the fact that I am a manager. The management team is ruled only by the two server owners. And noone has the right to make changes on his own.
  85.  
  86. How he explained it? That I could join the UGP with someone's account (e.g. Jeffry), and ruin it.
  87. First, I already wrote about the idea that I can ruin it. Second, if I were going to ruin it, my 8th level would be far enough?
  88. Imagine the situation - you get a new job. A manager of McDonalds restaurant. And you demote all the other managers (while you don't have such rights). Then you go to the director and say: "Oh, you know, they were very dangerous! Manager Mark is a boxer, he could hurt our customers. And manager Mary has a fire-lighter, she could burn our restaurant!".
  89. Sounds funny and unbelievable, isn't it? But exactly this happened to KnightRider. He came, and decided to make less managers, and demoted one of them - me, as I was the most strong competitor.
  90.  
  91.  
  92. I was hoping on Jeffry and Palladium, because they were the only ones, who can listen to me. But didn't get any support from them.
  93. They said that I misused my power, which was given to me. Really, I don't fully understand them.
  94. Because I just tested the problem on the test server. My misuse would be if I really joined the UGP as Jeffry (at least), started saying everyone that I am real Jeffry and using owners' commands.
  95. On the countrary, I used only test server, only with people, who knew what's happening (I didn't claim myself as real owner of one's account).
  96. And my main target - to report this problem to Jeffry as soon as possible - should be recorded in the logs thousands of times.
  97. But I don't blame neither Jeffry nor Palladium, because they got maybe the false information first. And that was the reason.
  98.  
  99.  
  100.  
  101. I am writing all this because I don't want to be in this shit.
  102. I'm glad that the bigger part of community members is with me, for a long time already.
  103. Just I want to remove the libel from my name.
  104.  
  105.  
  106. - Actions, you want to see: It is up to everyone which punishment to choose in this situation. Everybody can read all the story and decide what is the best punishment. As to me, a demotion should exist here, anyway.
  107.  
  108.  
  109.  
  110. That's all.
  111. For remover: This message is fully protected from removing. The truth must be shown to the people.
  112.  
  113.  
  114. Best regards to everybody,
  115. Woozi.
  116.  
  117.  
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  119.  
  120.  
  121. IroN
  122. 25/10/12 at 16:02:36
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  124.  
  125. +9999999 to all of this.
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  127.  
  128.  
  129. BoomBrush
  130. 25/10/12 at 16:03:54
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  132. Woozi I am totally with you. Logged topic as well ;)
  133.  
  134. Also in the admin pannel there is an area where all action such as removing topcis and posts is logged. We could just get Jeffry to look to see if somebody is removing them...
  135.  
  136. [quote author=IroN link=topic=6674.msg74998#msg74998 date=1351177356]
  137. +9999999 to all of this.
  138. [/quote]
  139.  
  140. Same
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  142.  
  143.  
  144. Justin
  145. 25/10/2012
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  147.  
  148. [quote author=BoomBrush link=topic=6674.msg74999#msg74999 date=1351177434]
  149. Woozi I am totally with you. Logged topic as well ;)
  150.  
  151. Also in the admin pannel there is an area where all action such as removing topcis and posts is logged. We could just get Jeffry to look to see if somebody is removing them...
  152.  
  153. [quote author=IroN link=topic=6674.msg74998#msg74998 date=1351177356]
  154. +9999999 to all of this.
  155. [/quote]
  156.  
  157. Same
  158. [/quote]
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  160.  
  161.  
  162. [VF]Foxeh
  163. 25/10/12 at 17:11:58
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  165.  
  166. Please Woozie. You want us to trust you after you CRACKED passwords and gave them to other people. You used those passwords for your own advantage (unbanning yourself on the real server etc.). You even gave [b]me[/b] the pass of KnightRider he used on the test server. I was just an newbie than. I could of given and abused his password, god knows where or how. To everyone else who agrees and supports Woozie. So if I go and steal your password use it for bad or good are you still going to be friends with ? What makes Woozie so better than all those hackers who you hate ? All those hackers that you ban every day ingame ? All those hackers that end in prison? Why you still going to trust him ? Since we know Woozie is good with the whole hacking and programming so, who is stupid enough to believe this is all as innocent as he say ?
  167.  
  168. You people keep on forgetting: HE HACKED/CRACKED PASSWORDS. It's like he would go and BREAK IN YOUR HOUSE. Why is everyone so naive and taking this as nothing ?
  169.  
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  171.  
  172.  
  173. Jeffry
  174. 25/10/12 at 17:16:14
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  176.  
  177. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]
  178. It is enough.
  179. That is why I have no other way than making this complaint.
  180. From time to time, again and again my posts on the forum get removed!
  181. [/quote]
  182. Actually you are forum-banned, if you forgot about that. This would already be enough to remove this topic as well, but I don't want to be like this, I will take the rest-time of my day to reply to this.
  183.  
  184. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]
  185. Last time (on UGP's b-day) I wrote one post. It got removed (very fast) + I know who was online that time. I made a new post, with questions why my post got deleted - and it was removed, too. Unfortunately, I used my phone that time and couldn't make a screenshot. I wanted, but couldn't.
  186. And now I made them!
  187. [/quote]
  188. Probably included any rulebreak. I could simply mention that you also tried to fake Packy in the Shoutbox, and you used non-real names (which was forbidden) and on top you posted a screenshot which was totally inappropriate to the game. Not the way a 'want-to-be-manager' or 'ex-manager' behaves, saying that he knows better than everybody else.
  189.  
  190. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]
  191. Today I created a new topic about free samp hosting, which I can offer to some people, who needs.
  192. For example, for player, who was asking how to make port forwarding.
  193. I wrote him a reply just after posting the new thread. Right now it's still not deleted (oh, very bad! Dear deleter - it's time for you to delete it right now!!) - [url=http://forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=6635]http://forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=6635[/url]
  194. [/quote]
  195. Believe me, if I would have seen this topic first, it would have been removed as well, maybe not deleted, but locked and the content removed (which is not a big difference at all). Ask why? It's advertise, which is forbidden. I see no reason why the topic shouldn't be deleted.
  196.  
  197. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]
  198. Infinity has replied under my topic, asking questions regarding the hosting project.
  199. I replied to Infinity with a good long post (you also can see it on the screenshots).
  200. And I DON'T KNOW - maybe Infinity haven't read my answer, because the whole topic got deleted!
  201. [/quote]
  202. If Infinity replies under a topic, does this automatically mean that the topic does not break any rules? I don't think so.
  203.  
  204. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]
  205. You know why my posts get removed and not trashed?
  206. Simple - because this way there is no evidence. Nobody knows that something was posted by me, and of course nobody knows that someone is removing my posts. There are NO reasons to remove my posts. They contain no information, prohibited by the official forum rules or by common sense, at least. So, this posts deleting is illegal.
  207. [/quote]
  208. We have logs which store which topic, when and by whom gets deleted. And no, deleting posts is not illegal.
  209.  
  210. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]
  211. Yes, my level was set to 0 half a year ago.
  212. But if you think it was an accident, you are wrong.
  213. Because it was a well-planned eliminating of a competitor. And I am very glad that most people from the UGP community already know it for a long time.
  214. The things, which still continue happening with me and my activity are the best proof of it.
  215. [/quote]
  216. You forgot a few things. The fact that you are banned and demoted is not only because you converted several hash-codes to passwords, but more, let me state only [b]some[/b] of them:
  217. [list]
  218. [li]You was once demoted for a similar thing, setting yourself VIP.[/li]
  219. [li]You even banned yourself once (after the point above), because you thought you'd deserve a free VIP.[/li]
  220. [li]Speed Hack => Destroying several /racetop's[/li]
  221. [li]Ban Evasion (multiple times)[/li]
  222. [li]Unbanning yourself, with such a converted password.[/li]
  223. [/list]
  224.  
  225. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]
  226. So, I had access to the users' accounts information. The server management always has this information.
  227. (...)
  228. That time I have understood that it is very bad and should be reported. So, I wanted to report this thing to Jeffry as soon as he will come back.
  229. [/quote]
  230. You made it with at least 3 passwords! I don't call this testing anymore, I call it an exact convertation of passwords, well knowing what you are doing. You should have stopped after seeing that you were able to fetch the hash code. Any password-reconversions could have been made with a TEST-PASSWORD! Not with real passwords of users, and on top not with 3+. And on top of all, not boosting around that you are able to convert passwords.
  231.  
  232. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]
  233. As I am 1st - a decent person, 2nd - a staff member, 3rd - server manager, of course I was not going to login into the UGP server with a 10-level account,
  234. [/quote]
  235. No, you just did it with some other password to unban yourself.
  236.  
  237. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]
  238. So, after my testings on the test server, I came to the UGP server. And I spoke about it to someone. Sorry, I don't remember good. It was IroN, if I'm not wrong. So, I told him that there is an access to every account, which can be a big problem, if wrong person will have this access. He didn't believe me first (of course, it sounds funny), so when we came to the test server, I logged in as Jeffry. This way I showed IroN that I'm not joking.
  239. [/quote]
  240. As I said before, no boosting and no continuing after the first password (nor even after the hash code).
  241.  
  242. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]
  243. Summary:
  244. KnightRider has banned me secretly, while I was away. He didn't even spoke with me about anything.
  245. He banned me using strange name and unproper reason - what means account hacking program?!
  246. [/quote]
  247. It doesn't matter who banned you, because that time I was informed immediately by the Management, and agreed to the ban. Since we did not know the way you converted it, it was called account hacking programm. The reason itself does not say anything about the fact that you DID convert passwords!
  248.  
  249. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]
  250. How he explained it? That I could join the UGP with someone's account (e.g. Jeffry), and ruin it.
  251. First, I already wrote about the idea that I can ruin it. Second, if I were going to ruin it, my 8th level would be far enough?
  252. [/quote]
  253. My account is saved in multiple ways, which means you can't simply "destroy" the server, just by knowing my password.
  254.  
  255. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]
  256. I was hoping on Jeffry and Palladium, because they were the only ones, who can listen to me. But didn't get any support from them.
  257. They said that I misused my power, which was given to me. Really, I don't fully understand them.
  258. [/quote]
  259. Yes you did, but if you think you didn't, take one of the points I listed above. These are all reasons for demotion and ban. You can choose.
  260.  
  261. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]
  262. And my main target - to report this problem to Jeffry as soon as possible - should be recorded in the logs thousands of times.
  263. [/quote]
  264. [u]To sum it up:[/u]
  265. You reported that a rulebreaking topic was removed. And the rest was about your demotion.
  266.  
  267.  
  268. @Iron & Justin: I wonder why you +'ed this, may I know your reasons, I'd be glad to solve any problem you have with managers.
  269. @BoomBrush: There are logs.
  270. @Foxeh: True.
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  272.  
  273.  
  274. Hoia
  275. 25/10/12 at 17:43:16
  276. -----------------
  277.  
  278. I was not active when all this things happened...
  279. But after read Woozi and Jeffry posts.
  280. Woozi I knew you before as we were a mangers 2 years+ ago too...and Im disappoiintend that you acted like that...but this is the life and pepole make mistakes atleast learn your lesson for this situation for the future.
  281.  
  282. peace.
  283. -----------------
  284.  
  285.  
  286. [MM]IKKE
  287. 25/10/12 at 18:33:53
  288. -----------------
  289.  
  290. Bring it on. I warned you for this post:
  291. [url=http://forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=6229.msg70394#msg70394]http://forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=6229.msg70394#msg70394[/url]
  292.  
  293. Thanks a lot Jeffry for clearing this up.
  294.  
  295. Yes, your server advertisement got removed. By Somoon. After I told him. Why? Because I wanted to protect people from using your host. I don't trust you at all, so I want to protect "unknowing" people from your host. You might steal their script. De-amx their script, test that one for vulnerabilities. Logging in on their servers using their password. Of course only for testing. Then "testing" if they use the same password on UGP. On their MSN. On their facebook.
  296.  
  297. Because that's what testing, right? Cracking something someone [b]trusted[/b] you with. And then just continue cracking more things. Instead of keeping it a secret and telling Jeffry (the cracking itself is already majorly crossing the lines of ethics btw).
  298.  
  299. Yes, this happened before. Tons of times, causing tons of drama on SA-MP forums. There are probably more unreliable hosts than actual good hosts.
  300.  
  301. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]Simple - because this way there is no evidence.[/quote]
  302.  
  303. Or because we do have reasons, as stated above. Plus, you're not allowed to advertise on these forums. But well, you don't follow the rules much anyways...
  304.  
  305. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]Nobody knows that something was posted by me, and of course nobody knows that someone is removing my posts.[/quote]
  306. Well a lot of people know tbh
  307.  
  308. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]There are NO reasons to remove my posts. They contain no information, prohibited by the official forum rules or by common sense, at least. So, this posts deleting is illegal.[/quote]
  309. There are reasons, as I just summed up. Oh and define illegal. Hacking is illegal, as far as I know. As for the rest, SMFNew does allow admins on their forums to delete whatever they want, for any reason they want. Doesn't seem illegal to me.
  310.  
  311. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]But if you think it was an accident, you are wrong.[/quote]
  312. I don't think it was an accident. You knew exactly what you were doing.
  313.  
  314. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]Because it was a well-planned eliminating of a competitor.[/quote]
  315. Unless KnightRider/Somoon explicitally asked you: "Hey, Woozi, please crack our hashing algorythm", you are fully responsible for your own deeds. You are the one doing that. You are the only one doing that.
  316.  
  317. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]And I am very glad that most people from the UGP community already know it for a long time.[/quote]Know what? That you are a labile person making up his own truth? Trying to convince people of stuff that actually never happened for your own power greed? Attempting to make people believe this was all a set up?
  318.  
  319. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]The things, which still continue happening with me and my activity are the best proof of it.[/quote]
  320. No shit, you're ban evading. What do you expect?
  321.  
  322. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]But on the test server can happen that someone not from the team can get a high level and access to this info (because I got level 10 there anyway).
  323. There are no real passwords available from the game, but there is an information that can be used to successfully login with anyone's account.[/quote]
  324. Aka, you misused protected information. Information Jeffry trusted [b]you[/b] with. Sure it was KnightRider's fault!
  325.  
  326. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]Just imagine - a server manager, whose job is to improve the server in any way, will destroy the server.[/quote]
  327. I shouldn't imagine that, I already see it. Your only goal is to bring KnightRider down. You've been trying it for months, and you will continue doing so until he gets demoted. Or until the entire community hates him. I must say you're good at it, but please, your story has a lot of flaws. More about that later...
  328.  
  329. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]And THAT'S WHY Woozi goes to the server to tell everyone about it![/quote]
  330. "Hey guys, I found a security breach in the server, come check it out"
  331.  
  332. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]As main people know, it's not the first time I find a such problem. Last time, as someones may remember, I found a bug when every player could become an admin. And what did I do? Keep this in secret? Post this cool info on the forum? I talked about it with one of the admins, who helped me that time to test this bug and to proove that it really works in any case and for everyone. As the result, the bug was fixed that evening. (That's the time when MrTwister was 10th level admin).[/quote]
  333. u so pro. I thought that was actually what your job consisted of. Reporting bugs.
  334.  
  335. And no, actively cracking passwords is not a bug. That's hacking. And yes, hacking is illegal.
  336.  
  337. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]Soon after that, 70% of my ban appeal was removed by Somoon.[/quote]
  338. Because you wrote how to do it lol. What do you expect? That we just let the information remain publically available? What about making another thread "how to hack UGP! But please don't do it, I'll just show you how to"
  339.  
  340. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]How he explained it?[/quote]
  341. How did you explain it then? Give me a proper explanation about what [b]you[/b] did. Instead of passing the focus to KnightRider. A thing you really like to do, apparently. Why not focus on yourself? You sound like a kid tbh, like this. "I did this wrong, but he did something wrong too!!". This is about you, not about him.
  342.  
  343. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]Imagine the situation - you get a new job. A manager of McDonalds restaurant. And you demote all the other managers (while you don't have such rights). Then you go to the director and say: "Oh, you know, they were very dangerous! Manager Mark is a boxer, he could hurt our customers. And manager Mary has a fire-lighter, she could burn our restaurant!".
  344. Sounds funny and unbelievable, isn't it? But exactly this happened to KnightRider.[/quote]
  345. You must be a novel writer! So much lies within one sentence ;o what a bad comparison.
  346.  
  347. I'd put it otherwise:
  348. Let's say you get a job at McDonalds. The manager of it gives you and the other staff members the key to the safe with all money in it. However, there's another protection on it too: the manager, and the manager only, needs to scan his fingerprint in order for it to open. You use some powder on his glass (Mission Impossible - style) to get his fingerprint. While the manager is away, you use his fingerprint in combination with the key to open the safe. No, you don't steal anything. But you still open the safe. Several times. You even show the other staff members what you are doing. Even more, you give random clients a copy of the fingerprint and a copy of the key!
  349.  
  350. That story sounds more alike what you did. And yes, that does give the other staff members the right to throw you out of that McDonalds forever.
  351.  
  352. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]He came, and decided to make less managers, and demoted one of them - me, as I was the most strong competitor.[/quote]
  353. As said, plenty of times, this is about you, not about him. You sound like Apok, Yousef, Cross, ... at first in their ban appeals. Why not accept your own mistakes first and admit them? Instead of hating on one single person. Or well, hating on everyone who does not agree with your own weird world
  354.  
  355. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]I was hoping on Jeffry and Palladium, because they were the only ones, who can listen to me. But didn't get any support from them.[/quote]
  356. You hacked their secret hash algorythm. What do you expect?
  357.  
  358. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]They said that I misused my power, which was given to me. Really, I don't fully understand them.[/quote]
  359. You got access to the database because you are a manager, this way you can help people with account problems etc. But no, instead you decided to crack the passwords.
  360.  
  361. [quote author=Jakarta link=topic=6674.msg74997#msg74997 date=1351176873]My misuse would be if I really joined the UGP as Jeffry (at least), started saying everyone that I am real Jeffry and using owners' commands.[/quote]
  362. As soon as you even thought about cracking those, you were already misusing any trust ever given to you
  363.  
  364.  
  365. Well, this is how far your post goes. Let's get it some further. Let's put the focus back on you instead of on KnightRider.
  366.  
  367. I have access to a database of another server either. Yes, I can see encrypted passwords there. There's even still a very old database saved there with plain-text passwords. I asked the server owner some minutes ago - regarding this case - what he would do if I cracked his hashing logarythm, and would login on his account - without doing anything else.
  368.  
  369. "[18:13:49] <removed>: lock the server and change the hashing
  370. [18:13:38] Jeroen: + likely ban and demote me
  371. [18:13:39] Jeroen: right?
  372. [18:13:49] <removed>: yes"
  373. :)
  374.  
  375. Also, let's not forget the amounts of evasions you did. I remember the rule: evasion = permanently banned, no matter what the first ban was for. That's a rule in most servers. You're even evading right now. But well, due to your "so pro" proxies, there's this policy where we apparently can't ban you again as long as you don't do anything wrong.
  376. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/yamAO.jpg[/img]
  377.  
  378. As Jeffry said, you speed hacked. To prove what? That there's no protection on the race tops? Justify that please. Or was that also testing. That seems like plain cheating to me
  379.  
  380. Several months ago, when the server moved to 0.3d, you came back as well. I wasn't ingame, but you told it to me anyways. I just gave Jeffry some protection scripts (invalid vehicle mods, air swimming, vehicle warping, ...). You apparently saw that post in the update logs. Anyways, you were ingame and literally told to me that the "air swimming" anti-cheat didn't work for s0b airbreak. Wow, you admitted to airbreaking. What a test!
  381.  
  382. Oh, other IRC quotes:
  383. (20:24:24) (&Meshary) the bot flood we get are from russia
  384.  
  385. Remember the bot attacks in June?
  386. [code]
  387. [15/06/2012 at 17:43:31] [MM]IKKE: [17:43:26] *@Packy:@#UGP.echo* Ban details for Ban ID 23372:
  388. [15/06/2012 at 17:43:31] [MM]IKKE: [17:43:26] *@Packy:@#UGP.echo* Banned Name: cCfmHiHbUFLKtV
  389. [15/06/2012 at 17:43:31] [MM]IKKE: [17:43:26] *@Packy:@#UGP.echo* Banned IP: 188.232.151.223
  390. [15/06/2012 at 17:43:31] [MM]IKKE: [17:43:26] *@Packy:@#UGP.echo* Banned by: [MM]IKKE
  391. [15/06/2012 at 17:43:31] [MM]IKKE: [17:43:26] *@Packy:@#UGP.echo* Reason: bots
  392. [15/06/2012 at 17:43:31] [MM]IKKE: [17:43:26] *@Packy:@#UGP.echo* Date of Ban: 15.June.2012
  393. [15/06/2012 at 17:43:31] [MM]IKKE: [17:43:26] *@Packy:@#UGP.echo* Time of Ban: 16:49:52[/code]
  394. One of the first bot attacks, luckily I was ingame to ban :)
  395.  
  396. [url=http://www.ip-adress.com/ip_tracer/188.232.151.223]http://www.ip-adress.com/ip_tracer/188.232.151.223[/url] Coincidence it traces to Russia?
  397.  
  398. Care to explain? Were you testing the anti-bot flood + anti-join flood script I gave to Jeffry? You seem to do a lot of testing around here!
  399.  
  400. As you like screen shots, let's post some more
  401.  
  402. Well, first this quote, of a post I made in the admin board (hidden, ofc)
  403. [quote author=[MM]IKKE link=topic=6200.msg70409#msg70409 date=1344323911]
  404. I don't know Woozi - I never really talked to him. All I know about what [b]happened[/b] is what's in the ban appeal. So you can consider me 'neutral'.
  405.  
  406. Well, I made a post somewhere commenting on Woozi - likely commenting about his ban evasion on the forums. The post disappeared, but either way, Woozi left a message on my PM.
  407.  
  408. [quote author=Woozi link=action=profile;u=15 date=1340048438]
  409. [i]Hello IKKE,
  410.  
  411. I'm still alive, and don't want to go away.
  412. I'm far not a child.
  413.  
  414. The big shit that happens around me, and where I was put, was made by some people, who just wanted to undercut a competitor (me). Just I don't see any other valid reason of all this.
  415. They were trying (and still trying) to make me look like a criminal, an enemy and so on.
  416.  
  417. So, as the result, people (including Jeffry and Palla) are standing against me.
  418.  
  419. But I'll climb out of this crap.
  420. And some people, who know the truth, are already with me.
  421.  
  422. Unfortunately, you also have a bad opinion about me... But it's okay. It's understandable.
  423. You, like the others, see only the information posted on the forum, and nothing else. While the facts are kept in secret from everybody.
  424.  
  425.  
  426. This info was wrote just to let you know.
  427. Please, let this message be only between us.
  428.  
  429. Best regards,
  430. Woozi.[/i]
  431. [/quote]
  432.  
  433. I assume 'they' is KnightRider (and possibly Somoon as well? He made the ban at last). I've had my problems with KnightRider too, btw. All solved after Palladium and Jeffry intervening. Anyways. Woozi is clearly trying to convince me about his innocence - that others got him into a trap leading to his ban. Based on the recent forum activity, [b][color=red]I've got a feeling he's trying to convince more and more people about how good he is.[/color][/b] I believe this even reached a certain state in the admin staff itself. Be honest and reply if he contacted you recently.
  434. [/quote]
  435.  
  436. Read especially the red bold part. Screenshot of the PM: [url=http://i.imgur.com/uZno9.png]http://i.imgur.com/uZno9.png[/url]
  437.  
  438. Then take this picture...
  439. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/uHfCb.jpg[/img]
  440.  
  441. This quote...
  442. [url=http://forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=6229.msg70408#msg70408]http://forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=6229.msg70408#msg70408[/url]
  443.  
  444.  
  445.  
  446. Seems like I completely get who you are: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudologia_fantastica]a pathological liar[/url]
  447.  
  448. "The stories told are not entirely improbable and often have some element of truth. They are not a manifestation of delusion or some broader type of psychosis: upon confrontation, the teller can admit them to be untrue, even if unwillingly."
  449. Well they obviously have some truth in it.
  450.  
  451. "The fabricative tendency is long lasting; it is not provoked by the immediate situation or social pressure as much as it is an innate trait of the personality."
  452. You're still here, with the same story
  453.  
  454. "A definitely internal, not an external, motive for the behavior can be discerned clinically: e.g., long-lasting extortion or habitual spousal battery might cause a person to lie repeatedly, without the lying being a pathological symptom"
  455. Well, the extortion part is true, but also justifiable
  456.  
  457. "The stories told tend toward presenting the liar favorably. For example, the person might be presented as being fantastically brave, knowing or being related to many famous people."
  458. Presenting yourself as Jeffry's best friend.
  459.  
  460.  
  461. Anyways, I did reply to that PM
  462.  
  463. [quote author=[MM]IKKE link=action=profile;u=371 date=1340116022]
  464. I might not know who you are.
  465. I might not know what you did.
  466. I might not know what happened between you and [i]some people[/i].
  467.  
  468. I do know, however, what you are doing now.
  469.  
  470. I do know you simply login on other accounts and post using their account.
  471. I do know you are continuously trying to evade your server ban.
  472. I do know your forum attitude.
  473.  
  474. Anyone who impersonates another person, loses my trust and respect. Even if you post "Woozi." at the end of your message, that does not justify using their account. Who are you to post in their name? Who are you to go in their accounts and therefore see all their personal stuff? Do you realise this is illegal if ever done in real life?
  475.  
  476. Anyone who evades his ban should not ever be able to play again. Even if the ban was unfair. That is a clear rule, stated in any of the server rules around SA-MP. However, you did do this. Tell me how I should ignore this fact. Tell me how this was made up by certain people. Tell me how this is different from the truth.
  477.  
  478. Now let's investigate your ban appeal. I suppose all the replies made by "Woozi" were made by personally.
  479. [url=http://www.forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=5470.0]http://www.forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=5470.0[/url]
  480.  
  481. You admitted finding a way to get into accounts. Instead of being a moral hacker (which you claim to be), you kept on cracking people's passwords. You found out some passwords, and logged in with them. Instead of reporting this security breach (like a moral hacker would do), you just continued cracking more and more passwords. As soon as you found out there was a way to crack them, [b]you should have reported it[/b] instead of messing with the accounts.
  482.  
  483. Additionnally, it doesn't even appear to be a security breach. You had legit access to the database. People trusted you. Yet, instead of keeping that trust, you decided to try hacking the database. How can you justify that? How can you justify breaking all the trust both Palladium and Jeffry gave you? How can anyone justify that you purposely logged in on other accounts?
  484.  
  485. Looking at your latest posts on the forums
  486. [url=http://www.forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=3920.msg64103#msg64103]http://www.forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=3920.msg64103#msg64103[/url]
  487. [url=http://www.forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=5653.msg64144#msg64144]http://www.forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=5653.msg64144#msg64144[/url]
  488. [url=http://www.forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=5621.msg64553#msg64553]http://www.forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=5621.msg64553#msg64553[/url]
  489. [url=http://www.forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=1792.msg64637#msg64637]http://www.forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=1792.msg64637#msg64637[/url]
  490. [url=http://www.forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=4908.msg64696#msg64696]http://www.forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=4908.msg64696#msg64696[/url]
  491. You appear to keep on trying to get into this community.
  492.  
  493. You are banned. You have evaded your ban. You got banned again, over and over again. Stop pushing yourself in this community. Stop pushing us into accepting you. We have already denied you. Move on with your life. Move on to another server in which people will accept you.
  494.  
  495. Here, you even claim to be part of the management
  496. [url=http://www.forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=5772.msg65453#msg65453]http://www.forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=5772.msg65453#msg65453[/url]
  497. [url=http://www.forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=5799.msg66287#msg66287]http://www.forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=5799.msg66287#msg66287[/url]
  498.  
  499. No. You are not. Look at this page: [url=http://www.forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?page=adminlist]http://www.forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?page=adminlist[/url]
  500. Are you in it? No. You are trying to appear as an admin. Yet you are not. You try fooling people into trusting you, however you have no voice here.
  501.  
  502. Again, we do not want you here. Move on. We will never accept you. Take this as an example: me, someone who doesn't know you, doesn't want you here. Due to what you actually did. Not due to what people claim about you. I do not prejudice people. I just people based upon what they say personally. Assuming every post above has been made by you, I do judge you however as someone who needs to leave.
  503.  
  504. Go on with your life. Join a new server, start a new episode in your life. Try getting their trust. I wish you the best luck with that. But do not come back to UGP. You have broken your trust to Palladium and Jeffry. You have broken your trust with me.
  505.  
  506. A girl told me this when she broke up with me:
  507. [i]Live your own life[/i]
  508.  
  509. It is the best I ever had, and I'm happy ever since. Please take this advice as well.
  510.  
  511. Kind regards
  512. -[MM]IKKE
  513. [/quote]
  514.  
  515. Forwarded also everything to both Jeffry as Palladium:
  516. [quote author=Jeffry link=action=profile;u=6 date=1340116834]
  517. Totally true.
  518. (No need to say more^^)
  519.  
  520. Jeffry 8)
  521. [/quote]
  522.  
  523. And yours to it:
  524. [quote author=Woozi link=action=profile;u=15 date=1340122280]
  525. Hello IKKE,
  526.  
  527. thank you very much for your fast and long reply. I really appreciate this.
  528.  
  529. If you are not against, I'll leave my comment on each point of your message.
  530.  
  531. First of all, the forum accounts.
  532. The only account I am using, which is not mine, is Johny.
  533. But yes, I am using it with the personal permission of Johny. I haven't hacked anything and I'm not doing anything illegal. Just because I am not a such person. Yes, I am not.
  534.  
  535. About mine continuous ban evading:
  536. I am not a person who's actually interested in playing. I was interested in it first time, when I came to the UGP, in the old 2009. I got a lot from the UGP, and I gave a lot to the UGP.
  537. Yes, I was banned and moreover, I was demoted. I didn't try to evade the ban, just because it's useless - I am useful on the server only as a professional administrator. Game process is not interesting to me, so I don't just play and 'have fun' like most of people do.
  538. The thing that you call 'ban evading' - actually, it is not a problem to change the IP and to join the server.
  539. It was my experiment - with [Nh]apricot. And it was quite successful.
  540. During 12 days I:
  541. - Got 100+ hours in-game;
  542. - Became a clan leader;
  543. - Got a Silver-VIP;
  544. - Passed the knowledge-test;
  545. - Got temp level 1 in-game.
  546.  
  547. Of course, there are a lot of moments, such as IP on the forum etc. But nearly 2 weeks spent with another name, another history... It's good.
  548.  
  549. Then my forum attitude:
  550. I really don't know what do you mean here.
  551. I am absolutely polite and friendly with everybody. Except [i]some people[/i].
  552. And I am friendly with you, I am friendly with Jeffry and Palladium, whom I know for a very long time.
  553.  
  554.  
  555. The information about truth.
  556. Excuse me, I'm really sorry about that, but I can't give you right now the information, which I give to some other people, just because right now you are standing against me. If I would be sure the info I will give you won't go further my PM, I'd give it.
  557.  
  558.  
  559. But some details are here:
  560. My ban happened when Jeffry and Palla were away.
  561. I made all my stuff on the test server. Yes, I had there the 10th level, so I had access to the password hashes.
  562. What I did with them is getting the valid symbol combination, which would have the same hash-value.
  563. I wrote some code, which made this process easier. Really, I was going to speak about this with Jeffry (that it's not good that on the test server players, who can get 10th (or even 9th) level, can get some personal info, such as password hash).
  564. As a result, I got a few 'passwords' of some people, which could be used on the test server.
  565. I have spoken with some admins about that. They didn't believe me, of course. So, when I showed to someone on the test server that I'm not pulling his leg, I joined the server (test server, of course) as Jeffry. We were alone with him that time. After I showed him that I'm not kidding, I change my name back to Woozi.
  566. That time KnightRider joined the server (as someone told him about the fact that I'm on the test server have passwords of other people). So, he just joined and didn't do anything. Just was staying quiet.
  567. After some time, he left. Then ColaZero joined the test server, where we have been and told me that I am banned.
  568. I said WHAT?! Then I left the test server and tried to join the UGP main server, and yes, I was really banned.
  569. The reason was "Account hacking program". So, I was banned for the fact that I can find passwords for hashes, and others not?!
  570. First of all, Knight is the same level as me (8), and I'm not sure he has the right to ban me, as he's not above me. Second, he came on the server far later than me. Third, he decided to ban me quietly and secretly, while I was away and didn't know about that at all. Fourth, the management team is a team, which can be managed only by owners - Jeffry and Palladium, and he hasn't got the right to demote me or kick from the management team.
  571. So, I was banned for... nothing. Because I haven't used other people's accounts on the UGP server. Because all what I did I made on the test server, which is for testing exactly. Because when I joined the test server with someone's name, I haven't claimed that I am the real person, everybody knew it was me. And finally, because the 'passwords' I got are not real passwords, they can be used only on the UGP server, and not on e-mail or facebook account, and because I store the information I got secretly, do not share it, so there is no risk to anyone to have any problems.
  572.  
  573. Why I haven't joined the main UGP server with Jeffry's account? Because I'm not a such crazy guy. I understand what is okay, and what is not.
  574. Why I haven't reported this problem? I was going to speak about this with Jeffry, when he comes back. I told about these things to people. Because if I wanted to use this passwords to log into someone's account on the UGP server and make some shit on the server, I think I would keep all this in secret, I am quite clever, you know.
  575. I found another bug, big bug before... Jeffry knows it. And again I haven't reported this on the forum, but told about this to other admins. Why? Because else people, who would know what is the bug, would use it, and the server will be full of fake admins. So, yes, it was a big bug. I told people that the problem exists, but didn't tell how it works. The bug was immediately fixed the same day.
  576.  
  577. So, now you know a little. At least, you know one of [i]some people[/i].
  578.  
  579. Addition: Moreover, about a week ago I got an information that Jeffry keeps in his database not only the hash-values of the password, but also the real passwords. So, he have an access to players' other Internet services, if they have the same pass there. But it's not a problem, I know Jeffry and Palla, and I trust them.
  580. The thing is there is a small bug in the script... another bug... but I would call this bug good.
  581. Why? Because if there wouldn't this bug, I would know the real passwords, not only hashes. But also some other people would know the real passwords! If only I am able to get some useful info from the hashes (and we don't have any real problems right now), then the clear passwords can be used by anyone. I'm again going to speak with Jeffry about this. Maybe it's not a bug (maybe it's done specially), but maybe it's a bug. But I don't want this bug to be fixed, because else some other people would have access to the real private data, which I really don't like.
  582.  
  583.  
  584. Go next... my posts and the community.
  585. I am still a part of this community, I'm not trying to 'get back', because I didn't 'get out'.
  586. As most of the admins are with me, are still my friends, and really do not agree with my ban (after they got a lot of clear information), I'm here, I am communicating, I am not gone.
  587. You can go and read some people's posts in the admin section in the topic(-s) about me. They say that I am good, and that I wouldn't do anything bad to the server. And this is right, this is true.
  588. I'm not ruining anything. I'm not against the server, I'm not against Jeffry and Palla, I'm not against all people (except someones). So, I'm not making any troubles to them (if making small, I'm very sorry, it's not my purpose).
  589.  
  590.  
  591. IKKE, if you don't want me here, it doesn't mean nobody wants me here. The reality is that most people exactly want me here, want me there and want me everywhere.
  592. By the way, I see you as a good manager. I know you have a good experience, so you would be a good addition to the management team. I'll put it in my plans - to make you manager. But tshh, you don't know anything about  my plans ^_^, I haven't got any plans.
  593.  
  594.  
  595. About my life - I live my life.
  596. I do not have time to play the games - I have enough things to do in the university (Yeah, tomorrow I have a maths exam, and I'm writing all this shit to you right now). Plus my work, which would take my time also.
  597. The only thing which keeps the SA:MP next to me is the fact that I am a programmer, I'm studying IT. And SA:MP looks nice for me as a place for coding.
  598.  
  599.  
  600. It is your own decision - to trust me or not.
  601. Anyway, it's not your fault that you have such opinion about me. But it's wrong. It's really wrong.
  602.  
  603. Regards,
  604. Woozi.
  605. [/quote]
  606.  
  607. I can provide screenshots of these too...
  608.  
  609. Well, the story you told me is EXACTLY the same as the one you're putting up here. It even seems you just copy-pasted some parts. And improved your story at some points, to make it more believable. That's also a sign of being a pathological liar: being so convinced about your own story that you always tell it the same way, the same details, the same structure.
  610.  
  611. I also forwarded that one to Jeffry and Palladium, with this as a remark
  612. [quote author=[MM]IKKE link=action=profile;u=371 date=1340123821]
  613. He appears to ignore most of the parts I sent him. I think he really believes what he's saying
  614. [/quote]
  615.  
  616. [quote author=Jeffry link=action=profile;u=6 date=1340124973]
  617. He always did. Also when I've been talking to him, sometimes.
  618.  
  619. He passed the Mod-Test, sure, he knows all the things. I never said that he is a stupid person, the opposite is true, but he destroyed the trust we gave him. We made him Manager with a reason, but we have been disappointed.
  620.  
  621. Just saying.
  622.  
  623. Jeffry 8)
  624. [/quote]
  625.  
  626. And that is where it ends for you. You are wrong. Yes, KnightRider might have been wrong to. But you were wrong in the first place. You screwed it all up yourself, got caught, and made up a conspiracy theory in your own head. Accept the truth and move on.
  627.  
  628. You are not welcome at UGP. I will not let you ruin this awesome community.
  629. -----------------
  630.  
  631.  
  632. Woozi (Jakarta)
  633. 25/10/12 at 18:47:17
  634. -----------------
  635.  
  636. Okay, I will not deny the stated information, but also I will not agree with all this.
  637. As to me, both sides of arguments are partly true.
  638. So, I see it as 50/50. 50% for and 50% against.
  639.  
  640. I won't make big comments, I'll just make small ones to each point.
  641.  
  642. [quote]Actually you are forum-banned[/quote]
  643. Actually yes. But actually I again don't remember why I got banned, and don't remember when I got unbanned.
  644. Just because I'm still not unbanned. Because I should be unbanned far ago, but still not. Don't know who cares.
  645.  
  646. [quote]Probably included any rulebreak.[/quote]
  647. I'm speaking about exactly forum. I do not include the shoutbox on the homepage.
  648. Try to fake Packy - of course, only to fake, because there is no Packy.
  649. A nice photo of a god I posted was just a testing of html functions.
  650.  
  651. [quote]it would have been removed as well[/quote]
  652. Advertisment of what?
  653. I'm not advertising anything at all. Mainly I do not advertise any server, which is prohibited.
  654. I'm just offering people a free hosting for their samp server, if they need.
  655.  
  656. [code]Advertise
  657.  
  658. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  659. Advertising for other Servers by IP or IRC channel such as discussions about software piracy is prohibited at all. Advertisements for your personal homepages, youtube channels, facebook profiles or similar sites is allowed, as long as it does not expand too much, but going on and on is forbidden.
  660. [/code]
  661.  
  662. [quote]deleting posts is not illegal[/quote]
  663. If the post contents anything prohibited, it should be deleted.
  664. And if it is a normal post? Let's start then deleting all the posts we want.
  665. Start with this, for example: [url=http://forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=6677]http://forum.ugpserver.de/index.php?topic=6677[/url]
  666. Yes, there is no prohibited, but why not to delete it, before anyone will have a look.
  667.  
  668. [quote]•You was once demoted for a similar thing, setting yourself VIP.[/quote]
  669. I don't remember that I was demoted for setting myself VIP.
  670. I set myself VIP exactly when found a bug, which I mentioned in my 1st post (the MrTwister stuff).
  671. There was only 1 demotion in my life. From 8 to 0.
  672.  
  673. [quote]•You even banned yourself once (after the point above), because you thought you'd deserve a free VIP.[/quote]
  674. Is it prohibited to ban yourself?
  675. By the way:
  676. Why my VIP status in-game is removed?
  677. Why the VIP status of [Nh]apricot is removed on forums and in-game?
  678. There were donations and all stuff.
  679.  
  680. "We do not give refunds, neither in case your VIP-Moderation-rights get removed because of massive abuse from your side. Aswell, the V.I.P.-Status cannot be removed anymore once set. "
  681. Yes, you didn't give refunds, but the VIP status was removed twice.
  682.  
  683. [quote]•Speed Hack => Destroying several /racetop's[/quote]
  684. Yes, my mistake. I apology for this.
  685.  
  686. [quote]•Ban Evasion (multiple times)[/quote]
  687. Agree that a 12-days ban evasion with a regular playing on the server, active posting on forum and getting 1st admin level is cool.
  688. This was made exactly to check if it is possible. Result: yes.
  689. And that I am evading the ban - if I need to talk with someone, whom I can catch only on the server at the moment - of course, why not to join to speak with the person.
  690.  
  691. [quote]•Unbanning yourself, with such a converted password.[/quote]
  692. All such stuff was made only as the result of all this.
  693. By the way, when I joined that time Palladium was online. He was speaking about me with the online admins in the admin chat. But didn't ban me. Because he's a common person. We made with him two races.
  694. Then KnightRider came to the IRC. He thought "Ah, Woozi is in game! I need to ban him to gain more, more respect!!" and banned me, thinking he's the cleverest man.
  695. To be honest, exactly this result I was waiting when I unbanned myself.
  696.  
  697. [quote]I call it an exact convertation of passwords, well knowing what you are doing. You should have stopped after seeing that you were able to fetch the hash code.[/quote]
  698. So, I was banned for convertation of passwords, right?
  699. Anyone can convert the password.
  700. [quote]not boosting around [/quote]
  701. Okay, now just imagine that everybody are converting right now passwords... They don't tell you, they are just converting.
  702. Looks like if I converted passwords silently, and not "boosting around", I wouldn't be banned and demoted right now.
  703.  
  704. And about passwords - I got only passwords 'parody'. And you have all the real passwords.
  705. Maybe people don't want you to know their passwords. You now can login to their e-mail, get PayPal passwords, post something on their page in facebook etc. Make a poll "Do you want me to know your passwords?" - Yes/No.
  706. I'm just interested.
  707.  
  708. [quote]No, you just did it with some other password to unban yourself.[/quote]
  709. After long time of shit.
  710. Now I know why I was getting these passwords.
  711. To be banned and to unban myself after this!
  712.  
  713. [quote]The reason itself does not say anything about the fact that you DID convert passwords![/quote]
  714. So, yes. I was banned for having an account hacking program.
  715. Then you need to ban Somoon, because he also has it. I'm absolutely sure.
  716. Don't know if he used it to convert your or someone else' password, but he 100% has the same program.
  717. I've seen his PHP scripts, scripts on the IRC, so he also has this account hacking program, which is called BRAIN.
  718.  
  719.  
  720. [quote]My account is saved in multiple ways[/quote]
  721. Exactly I, as a scripter, programmer and developer, know this fact better than anyone else.
  722. So, the thoughts that I'm going to try to do something on the server, using your account is full bull****.
  723.  
  724.  
  725. To sum up:
  726. The removed topic wasn't rulebreaking [b]at all[/b].
  727. If no, show me where advertising is located.
  728.  
  729.  
  730. [quote author=Hoia link=topic=6674.msg75008#msg75008 date=1351183396]
  731. I was not active when all this things happened...
  732. But after read Woozi and Jeffry posts.
  733. Woozi I knew you before as we were a mangers 2 years+ ago too...and Im disappoiintend that you acted like that...but this is the life and pepole make mistakes atleast learn your lesson for this situation for the future.
  734.  
  735. peace.
  736. [/quote]
  737.  
  738. Thank you.
  739. ------------------
  740. I can not reply on your post, IKKE.
  741.  
  742. I'll just write which statements are true, and which are false.
  743.  
  744. I do not need any scripts, because I am a scripter, and currently there is nothing interesting script-related to me.
  745. Opposite. For more than half a year I'm running a project ASH Protection. It is a service to protect game servers from attacks, cheats etc.
  746. I'm checking the code of gamemodes, finding holes in the script. I'm putting powerful logging and monitoring systems. I am installing personal administration systems. I work against hacks. Totally.
  747.  
  748. There wasn't any information given me by the owners.
  749.  
  750. "Hey guys, I found a security breach in the server, come check it out" - yes, exactly.
  751. Please, pay attention that I am checking it with trusted administrators, and not with any people.
  752.  
  753. About bugs - yes, I see I'm quite good in finding bugs. Seems like scripting skills are helping.
  754. About airbreaking - yes. I always liked to check UGP's system, especially cheats detecting.
  755. And I know a lot about it.
  756. And I know about you when I talked about airbreaking.
  757. As was said by Jeffry, "he knows all the things. I never said that he is a stupid person, the opposite is true".
  758. So, if I'm doing something, I always know who is spectating me.
  759.  
  760. The hash algorythm is not secret at all.
  761. Moreover, I would advise to create own algorythm.
  762.  
  763. "Because you wrote how to do it lol" - who doesn't understand, won't understand. Who needs, will understand himself.
  764.  
  765. About flood - no, not me. I don't remember, and don't even know about it.
  766. Unfortunately, yes. Most of likers of cheats, hacks, and attacks are russian.
  767. Plus, you know my real IP. By the way, I can join the server without any proxy right now.
  768. I'm not making such things. I'm working on methods of fighting with them.
  769. And I'm not making anything bad to the server.
  770. Means, I do not crash it, do not attack in any way and so on.
  771. If I'm offering anything - only things of improving.
  772. Jeffry knows it.
  773. (By the way, Jeffry, the Swear Analyser works perfect, tested on a big server managed by me (as ASH Protection project)).
  774. And about testing - yes. I love it. But not the ways, which hurt the server.
  775.  
  776. And about all - yes, I really believe in what I am saying.
  777.  
  778.  
  779. Woozi.
  780. -----------------
  781.  
  782.  
  783. Infinity
  784. 25/10/12 at 20:01:23
  785. -----------------
  786.  
  787. Walls of text! :O
  788.  
  789. Anyway. Woozi, you tucked it up for yourself, and you deserve everything that's happened. I agree with your posts being deleted, and apparently, so does the rest of the management.
  790.  
  791. This complaint is finished. A decision has been made. No need to continue this hate-fest.
  792.  
  793. closed
  794. -----------------
  795.  
  796. Topic Locked
  797. End of topic
  798. -----------------
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