Transcript of Pottercast #112 -discussion about House-elves.

>**Sue**: But there was a one glorious beautiful question
**John**: It's funny that you get all excited
**Melissa**: I came in there with an agenda
**John**: about this because this
**Melissa**: Oh ho, here we go
**John**: was not a definitive
**Melissa**: I'm angry because she didn't answer. Ok, I set it up, I went in with an agenda, that she had to address this, and I said, you know, **John maintains that Sue-, that Helga Hufflepuff enslaved the house-elves**
**John**: Yes
**Melissa**: and tortured Sue, and she didn't make The arguments stop, go ahead, tell her- tell them
**Sue**: She s-, what **she said Helga, as I predicted, Helga brought them, offered them refuge**, refuge
**Melissa**: and then said,
**John**: Well that's not the first thing she said
**Melissa**: No that was the first thing
**John**: she said very interesting question, it's very interesting question that you ask this, and I don't know if we ever knew definitively that Helga had any role in bringing the house elves to the castle, but it seems like, that's what she has said is that **it was Helga of the founders is what brought them there**
**Melissa**: Yeah
**John**: She said that
**Sue**: offered them refuge
**John**: offered them refuge
**Meliss**a: But then She said in fairness to John
**John**: She said In fairness to John, um, you could say that the kind plantation owner does not equate to you know, relieving them of slavery
**Melissa**: Let's continue the rest of the conversation, and then
**John**: She said As Dumbledore gave Dobby refuge, so did Helga bring the house-elves refuge to-
**John**: However, they-, Dumbledore brought Dobby in as a paid employee and all the others house-elves
**Sue**: And she addressed that, she said, you know, their mindset is, they don't want to leave, so that's what she's saying
**John**: we don't know any better after how many generations of house elves
**Sue**: She said that
**John**: living and dying And not knowing anything else
**Sue**: But that's their nature
**Melissa**: But they were not being persecuted
Yeah, Ok, I'm just saying
**John**: She left it open for us, which is awesome because I can keep these-
**Melissa**: They don't care lets talk more about what jo said