pathfinder magic issue

[7:21 PM] Kiri: like I've said, what's kinda the problem with spheres is that you lose out on a lot of the weirder, more fun spells, with the deeper issue being with the original system nobody took those anyways
[7:22 PM] Kiri: like
[7:22 PM] Kiri: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/w/winter-feathers
[7:22 PM] Kiri: look at how specific this is
[7:23 PM] Leafia_Barrett: if there wasn't the "per day" limitation that might be a different story
[7:24 PM] Kiri: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/e/expeditious-construction this one seems like such a good thing to play with, 'Generate Waist-High Cover', but it winds up not being worth taking because it's not like... turning invisible or shooting lightning.
[7:24 PM] Leafia_Barrett: that system is trash garbage of the highest calibur
[7:24 PM] Kiri: and the problem is that the full spellbook is like, hundreds and hundreds of spells
[7:24 PM] Kiri: and you know, at the theoretical most, 9 of them for each level.
[7:25 PM] Kiri: that's if you're a goddamn wizard
[7:26 PM] Kiri: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/d/discern-next-of-kin
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/d/delusional-pride/
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/n/negative-reaction/
[7:26 PM] Kiri: like who has room for any of these
[7:26 PM] Kiri: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/b/burning-hands when this is the same level spell
[7:27 PM] Kiri: the dedicated magic user wants to be able to participate if a fight breaks out
[7:27 PM] Kiri: and the support magic user already needs to basically fight to validate his own existence in vanilla
[7:27 PM] Kiri: so you want to prioritize things with a more obvious, immediate benefit than fuckin
[7:28 PM] Kiri: 'Target takes a -10 to social checks for 1 minute'
[7:28 PM] Kiri: hell, not even one minute, one round per level
[7:28 PM] Kiri: so 12 seconds at level 2, one minute at level 10(edited)
[7:28 PM] Kiri: you don't get to play with any of the conceptually cute spells because your options are so limited
[7:29 PM] Kiri: because it took until Spheres of Might for people to say out loud to themselves
[7:29 PM] Kiri: 'hey, maybe rather than not letting magic users play with all their cool toys to compensate melee being a snoozefest, what if we just made melee cooler'
[7:30 PM] Kiri: the problem is that the people who said this made a magic system with no real... inspiration, really
[7:30 PM] Kiri: i.e. 'Destruction' is just various flavors of fireballs
[7:32 PM] Kiri: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/s/snapdragon-fireworks literally who is going to dedicate an entire known spell to fireworks
[7:32 PM] Kiri: because that sounds rad as hell to have fun with, but because it's this magic system you can't afford to take it
[7:39 PM] Kiri: it's either you have Spheres and all your magic is really straight-forward
you play with the vanilla spell list, but you only know like 4 from each level
or you play with the vanilla spell list, know more than that, but have to prepare spells.
[7:40 PM] Kiri: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/w/whip-of-spiders okay what the fuck
[7:44 PM] Leafia_Barrett: okay, that's actually really clever.
[7:45 PM] Leafia_Barrett: also I would totally play with fireworks if it was possible without completely gutting a character's functionality
[7:45 PM] Kiri: I know right
[7:45 PM] Leafia_Barrett: the world's prettiest flashbang
[7:47 PM] Leafia_Barrett: what someone needs to do is go through and integrate some of the more interesting spells into the sphere system in some fashion
[7:47 PM] Leafia_Barrett: like, that fireworks spell would totally fit under light
[7:48 PM] Kiri: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/t/tears-to-wine like seriously here
[7:50 PM] Kiri: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/r/revenant-armor look at this Berserk-ass bullshit
[8:02 PM] Leafia_Barrett: also realtalk I wish Expeditious Contstruction was a thing I could get access to because that fits "architect" really well
[8:02 PM] Leafia_Barrett: "here, you can literally call walls into existence"