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  2. 01[18:00] <+Yagura> Hello LC community, the teambuilding workshop starts now!!
  3. 01[18:00] <+Yagura> The Pokémon that we'll be building around is Skrelp
  4. [18:00] <Infamy> woo
  5. 02[18:00] * ~elevator_afk (~elevator_@C698AAAF.9CC8F96A.D0399FDC.IP) Quit (Quit: )
  6. [18:00] <+Mambo> no it starts in 1 m-
  7. 03[18:00] * Ecna (Mibbit@synIRC-64CF076.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net) has joined #littlecup
  8. [18:00] <+Mambo> yeah it starts now
  9. 01[18:00] <+Yagura> the community chose it through voting and tbh it was a nice choice
  10. [18:00] <+Mambo> please dont be a shit so this can go smoothly
  11. [18:00] <+Mambo> :D
  12. 03[18:00] * FiendHound (~Mibbit@synIRC-F92D160D.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #littlecup
  13. 01[18:01] <+Yagura> What Mambo said
  14. [18:01] <Coconut> I'm just going to choose to be silent then
  15. 02[18:01] * ~elevator_music (come@me.bro) Quit (Ping timeout: 360 seconds)
  16. 01[18:01] <+Yagura> Skrelp got the thing that we were waiting for it to get for a long time which is Adaptability
  17. 06[18:01] * Ecna is a shit
  18. [18:01] <Ecna> kk sorry
  19. 01[18:01] <+Yagura> Now I'll let Mambo talk a little bit about Skrelp and what it does
  20. [18:02] <+Mambo> aight well
  21. [18:02] <+Mambo> skrelps a fuckin pro
  22. [18:02] <+Mambo> it can go full offense or defensive
  23. [18:02] <+Mambo> it can go physical or special
  24. 03[18:02] * froglegstew (Mibbit@synIRC-86EB2572.cm-3-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #littlecup
  25. [18:02] <+Mambo> it can be a sick support mon
  26. [18:03] <+Mambo> adaptability hydro pump / sludge wave are ridic
  27. [18:03] <+Mambo> and it gets play rough which is just straight chill
  28. [18:03] <+Mambo> meth
  29. [18:03] <+Mambo> not even once
  30. 03[18:03] * Blikje01 (Mibbit@synIRC-86EB2572.cm-3-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #littlecup
  31. [18:03] <+Mambo> yagura continue
  32. 03[18:04] * santa sets mode: +o Mambo
  33. 03[18:04] * Nineage (Mibbit@synIRC-1A4A4CDA.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #littlecup
  34. 01[18:04] <+Yagura> Hydro Pump + Sludge Wave combo is cool
  35. [18:04] <@Mambo> thanks santa i tried to be a good boy
  36. 03[18:04] * Blikje_ (~chris@synIRC-86EB2572.cm-3-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #littlecup
  37. [18:04] <@Mambo> anywho
  38. [18:04] <@Mambo> probably the first thing we need to decide
  39. [18:04] <@Mambo> is what build we want
  40. 01[18:04] <+Yagura> Sludge Wave allows it to deal with Grass-types
  41. [18:04] <@Mambo> are we going LO
  42. [18:04] <@Mambo> RestTalk
  43. 01[18:05] <+Yagura> So yeah we can have some discussion here lol
  44. [18:05] <@Mambo> dis is important
  45. 03[18:05] * Magnemite (a@b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.l.m.n.o.p.q.r.s.t.u.v.w.x.y.z) has joined #littlecup
  46. 01[18:05] <+Yagura> I'll start with my opinion first
  47. [18:05] <%QuoteCS> ok
  48. 01[18:05] <+Yagura> I'll go with Life Orb
  49. 02[18:05] * froglegstew (Mibbit@synIRC-86EB2572.cm-3-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  50. 02[18:05] * Blikje01 (Mibbit@synIRC-86EB2572.cm-3-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  51. [18:05] <Infamy> lo physical is my favorite set
  52. [18:05] <Ecna> We need LO + Webs
  53. 01[18:05] <+Yagura> In my opinion, Skrelp + LO works really well
  54. [18:05] <cityfolk> surskit as setter
  55. 01[18:05] <+Yagura> has Icy Wind too
  56. [18:05] <cityfolk> imo
  57. [18:05] <@Mambo> see the issue with that is we make infamy's team
  58. [18:05] <@Mambo> like exactly
  59. [18:05] <@Mambo> lol
  60. 01[18:05] <+Yagura> to drop speeds
  61. [18:05] <Infamy> is that a bad thing mambo
  62. 01[18:05] <+Yagura> So sticky web isn't needed
  63. [18:05] <@Mambo> no
  64. [18:05] <@Mambo> but it's no fun
  65. [18:06] <Sken> I've seen a lot of Sludge Wave/HydroPump/HP Fire/Filler with scarf
  66. [18:06] <@Mambo> scarf is meh
  67. [18:06] <@Mambo> cuz it has such nice bulk
  68. [18:06] <Jetpack> it's not 14 tho
  69. [18:06] <Coconut> I don't like Scarf
  70. [18:06] <@Mambo> and bleh speed
  71. [18:06] <Infamy> yeah scarf is p bad imo
  72. 01[18:06] <+Yagura> It doesn't hit 14
  73. 01[18:06] <+Yagura> So scarf isn't a good idea
  74. [18:06] <%QuoteCS> I always used Eviolite because I can tank a hit really well on switch-in and still deal a lot of damage with pump/wave
  75. [18:06] <cityfolk> specs imo
  76. [18:06] <cityfolk> jk
  77. [18:06] <%QuoteCS> But I wouldn't mind triyng LO
  78. [18:06] <cityfolk> but lo would work
  79. [18:06] <Jetpack> i agree with QuoteCS
  80. [18:06] <Eren_Yeager> yeah
  81. [18:06] <Eren_Yeager> LO's neat
  82. [18:06] <Coconut> I like Evio as well
  83. [18:06] <cityfolk> does it get down to 19 p?
  84. [18:06] <cityfolk> hp*
  85. 01[18:06] <+Yagura> No
  86. [18:06] <%QuoteCS> no
  87. [18:07] <Infamy> no
  88. [18:07] <Eren_Yeager> no iirc
  89. 01[18:07] <+Yagura> it doesn't
  90. [18:07] <cityfolk> oh then :/
  91. 01[18:07] <+Yagura> 50 hp mons don't get to 19
  92. [18:07] <%QuoteCS> It's gotta be base 49 hp or lower for that
  93. 01[18:07] <+Yagura> anything lower does
  94. 01[18:07] <+Yagura> So yeah, what's your choice? LO?
  95. [18:07] <Infamy> we could do like a bulky tspikes set maybe
  96. [18:07] <cityfolk> i mean evio seems good too
  97. [18:07] <@Mambo> am i the only one who thinks RestTalk should be built around cuz of its dope resists and solid typing
  98. [18:07] <Jetpack> i like bulky evio attacker
  99. [18:07] <@Mambo> + ridic bulk
  100. 01[18:07] <+Yagura> Evio is neat yea
  101. [18:07] <@Mambo> 23 / 16 / 14
  102. [18:07] <Coconut> I want to do Resttalk.
  103. [18:07] <Sken> i'd use evio
  104. [18:08] <Coconut> that sounds amazing
  105. [18:08] <+Aerow> i agree with mambo on resttalk
  106. [18:08] <cityfolk> well LO gets an ohko on spritzee all the time after rocks
  107. [18:08] <cityfolk> 200+ SpA Life Orb Adaptability Skrelp Sludge Wave vs. 212 HP / 76 SpD Eviolite Spritzee: 26-36 (96.2 - 133.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
  108. [18:08] <Nineage> I agree with resttalk
  109. [18:08] <@Mambo> is tbolt spritzee common outside of TR?
  110. [18:08] <Coconut> n
  111. [18:08] <@Mambo> cuz if not
  112. [18:08] <cityfolk> n
  113. [18:08] <Infamy> resttalk sounds fun
  114. 01[18:08] <+Yagura> Not really
  115. [18:08] <Eren_Yeager> n
  116. [18:08] <@Mambo> resttalk dont gaf
  117. [18:08] <cityfolk> resttalk evio with dual stabs
  118. [18:08] <%QuoteCS> I'd rather not go with RestTalk because it gets worn down too quickly
  119. [18:08] <Eren_Yeager> resttalk seems legit
  120. [18:08] <cityfolk> altho murdered by ferro
  121. 01[18:08] <+Yagura> But tbh resttalk doesn't sound right
  122. [18:09] <Coconut> it only needs it's two STAB's though
  123. [18:09] <@Mambo> yeah it has huge pros and huge cons
  124. [18:09] <%QuoteCS> I have personally tried restTalk and the Offensive evio sets
  125. [18:09] <@Mambo> attacking is safer
  126. [18:09] <@Mambo> but i dont play safe
  127. [18:09] <@Mambo> i play to win
  128. [18:09] <@Mambo> :O
  129. [18:09] <cityfolk> k
  130. [18:09] <Sken> use 4 attacks as men do
  131. [18:09] <@Mambo> jk i run nincada
  132. [18:09] <cityfolk> i think evio works
  133. [18:09] <Infamy> we could run rest+3 attacks and a heal beller
  134. [18:09] <@Mambo> yeah evio is chill
  135. [18:09] <Nineage> Evioattacker seems to be the safest set
  136. [18:09] <@Mambo> ^
  137. [18:09] <Jetpack> evio + 4 attacks imo
  138. 01[18:10] <+Yagura> I'm down with evio attacker
  139. [18:10] <@Mambo> yeah
  140. 01[18:10] <+Yagura> So you guys are fine with it?
  141. [18:10] <%QuoteCS> We could try Infamy's idea
  142. [18:10] <Eren_Yeager> yeah
  143. [18:10] <Sken> i am
  144. [18:10] <@Mambo> yeah but then you rely on a teammate
  145. [18:10] <@Mambo> that could faint
  146. 01[18:10] <+Yagura> And that is?
  147. [18:10] <@Mambo> and leave skrelp boned
  148. 01[18:10] <+Yagura> Sticky Web?
  149. [18:10] <@Mambo> "we could run rest+3 attacks and a heal beller"
  150. 01[18:10] <+Yagura> oh
  151. 01[18:10] <+Yagura> That might work
  152. [18:10] <Jetpack> that's some gen 2 ou stuff there
  153. [18:10] <%QuoteCS> The 4th attack is rarely used anyway
  154. [18:10] <@Mambo> yeah but it's so team reliant
  155. [18:10] <@Mambo> i mean
  156. [18:11] <Jetpack> i honestly think it could work
  157. [18:11] <%QuoteCS> it's usually a move just to hit gunk
  158. [18:11] <@Mambo> water-stab / hp fire / sludge wave / icy wind
  159. [18:11] <@Mambo> sounds cool to me
  160. [18:11] <cityfolk> icy wind is weak af tho
  161. 01[18:11] <+Yagura> icy wind is important imo
  162. [18:11] <Coconut> I'm really not a fan of the Rest
  163. 01[18:11] <+Yagura> with the speed drops
  164. [18:11] <@Mambo> yeah but you drop their speed
  165. [18:11] <Eren_Yeager> the speed drop
  166. [18:11] <cityfolk> oh
  167. [18:11] <cityfolk> switch in on icy wind
  168. [18:11] <Coconut> without sleep talk
  169. [18:11] <cityfolk> yeah
  170. [18:11] <@Mambo> it's not a coverage move
  171. [18:11] <@Mambo> lol
  172. [18:11] <Jetpack> mmmm
  173. [18:11] <Jetpack> i agree
  174. [18:11] <Coconut> Icy Wind is cool af tho
  175. [18:12] <Ecna> icy wind is cool and a really chill move
  176. 01[18:12] <+Yagura> So yeah
  177. [18:12] <cityfolk> lol ecna
  178. [18:12] <Sken> maybe both hydro pump and scald
  179. [18:12] <Infamy> lol ecna
  180. 01[18:12] <+Yagura> SKRELP EVIOLITE WITH 4 ATTACKS
  181. [18:12] <Nineage> Icy wind seems more helpful
  182. [18:12] <Sken> for icy wind but idk
  183. 01[18:12] <+Yagura> you guys fine wit that?
  184. [18:12] <Coconut> y
  185. [18:12] <Eren_Yeager> yes
  186. [18:12] <Infamy> yeah i'm down with w/e
  187. [18:12] <cityfolk> wait but if evio
  188. [18:12] <cityfolk> wouldnt scald be better
  189. [18:12] <Ecna> Yup
  190. [18:12] <cityfolk> or bomb > wave
  191. [18:12] <@Mambo> no
  192. [18:12] <cityfolk> bc u shouldnt have scald AND bomb
  193. [18:12] <cityfolk> but u should have one or the other
  194. [18:12] <@Mambo> dont run bomb
  195. [18:12] <@Mambo> pls
  196. 01[18:12] <+Yagura> well wave is better
  197. [18:12] <Eren_Yeager> wave > bomb
  198. [18:12] <@Mambo> chespin exists
  199. 01[18:12] <+Yagura> Ok
  200. [18:12] <%QuoteCS> Why would you use Bomb ever?
  201. [18:12] <@Mambo> and wave is better
  202. [18:12] <Jetpack> you want wave
  203. [18:13] <cityfolk> bomb for psn chance
  204. [18:13] <@Mambo> the only mon you use bomb on all the time is gunk
  205. [18:13] <cityfolk> like on foongus or gastly
  206. [18:13] <Eren_Yeager> well
  207. [18:13] <Blikje_> so we are building a team and so far we have decided skrelp is going to be in it?
  208. [18:13] <Eren_Yeager> chespin
  209. [18:13] <Jetpack> you want burns
  210. [18:13] <@Mambo> city if gastly got wave
  211. [18:13] <cityfolk> scald + wave?
  212. 01[18:13] <+Yagura> We've got our first Pokémon: **Skrelp with Eviolite and 4 attacks*
  213. [18:13] <@Mambo> it'd use it
  214. [18:13] <Blikje_> are we making a specific kind of team?
  215. [18:13] <Coconut> Scald?
  216. [18:13] <Jetpack> scald + wave
  217. [18:13] <+fitzy> sludge bomb is better N_N
  218. [18:13] <Coconut> I'd prefer hydro
  219. [18:13] <Jetpack> you want burns
  220. 01[18:13] <+Yagura> We're making it around Skrelp
  221. [18:13] <cityfolk> ok yagura sounds rad
  222. [18:13] <Jetpack> thats why wave
  223. [18:13] <%QuoteCS> Hydro hits so fucking hard it's insane
  224. 03[18:13] * Blikje_ is now known as Blikje
  225. [18:13] <cityfolk> ok first for its weaknesses i think pumpkaboo is a good choice
  226. 01[18:13] <+Yagura> Well I'd prefer
  227. 01[18:14] <+Yagura> Hydro with Wave
  228. 01[18:14] <+Yagura> We really want power
  229. [18:14] <cityfolk> resists electric and ground
  230. [18:14] <%QuoteCS> ^
  231. [18:14] <Coconut> ^
  232. 01[18:14] <+Yagura> over side effects
  233. 01[18:14] <+Yagura> cityfolk let's decide on its set first lol
  234. [18:14] <@Mambo> air balloon magnemite imo
  235. [18:14] <cityfolk> ok so hydro/wave/icy wind/hp fire
  236. [18:14] <@Mambo> cuz fuck all the weaknesses
  237. [18:14] <cityfolk> oh ok
  238. [18:14] <Nineage> Without recovery power seems better than burn chance
  239. [18:14] <@Mambo> ^
  240. 01[18:14] <+Yagura> Ok
  241. 01[18:14] <+Yagura> So you guys are fine with
  242. 01[18:14] <+Yagura> Wave/Hydro/Hp fire/icy?
  243. [18:14] <Sken> okay
  244. [18:15] <Infamy> yeah sounds good
  245. [18:15] <Jetpack> y
  246. [18:15] <Eren_Yeager> seems okay
  247. [18:15] <%QuoteCS> mmhmm
  248. [18:15] <cityfolk> yes
  249. [18:15] <@Mambo> nicknamed Aerow ofc
  250. [18:15] <cityfolk> ^
  251. [18:15] <Blikje> all our mons are named Aerow right?
  252. 01[18:15] <+Yagura> No lol
  253. [18:15] <Nineage> ^
  254. [18:15] <Coconut> none of my mons will be named Aerow
  255. 01[18:15] <+Yagura> screw nicknames
  256. [18:15] <@Mambo> nah they're all named prem imo
  257. [18:15] <Jetpack> name it santa
  258. [18:16] <@Mambo> name them all prem
  259. 01[18:16] <+Yagura> Now to the ev spread
  260. [18:16] <cityfolk> satan*
  261. [18:16] <cityfolk> imo
  262. [18:16] <Coconut> prem
  263. [18:16] <Jetpack> you guys arent in the holiday spirit
  264. [18:16] <cityfolk> the damage calc says
  265. [18:16] <@apt-get> what's the usual
  266. [18:16] <+Aerow> im the real santa
  267. [18:16] <@apt-get> defensive EVss
  268. [18:16] <@Mambo> EVs: 116 HP / 196 Def / 36 SpA / 116 SpD / 36 Spe
  269. [18:16] <@apt-get> EVs*
  270. [18:16] <cityfolk> 36 hp/116 def/200+ spatk/116 spdef/40 speed
  271. [18:16] <@apt-get> for for skrelp
  272. [18:16] <cityfolk> but i like mambos more
  273. [18:16] <@Mambo> city it's not LO
  274. [18:16] <@Mambo> mine hit 23 / 16 / 14
  275. 01[18:16] <+Yagura> mambo
  276. [18:16] <Jetpack> EVs: 116 HP / 116 Def / 200 SpA / 36 SpD / 40 Spe
  277. 01[18:16] <+Yagura> 40 on spe
  278. [18:16] <@Mambo> + 1 point in spatk and speed
  279. 01[18:16] <+Yagura> because drop caused by hp fire
  280. [18:16] <cityfolk> ight ight
  281. 03[18:16] * Retrieving #littlecup modes...
  282. [18:16] <@Mambo> ohh
  283. [18:16] <@Mambo> ya
  284. [18:17] <@Mambo> same ish
  285. [18:17] <@Mambo> EVs: 116 HP / 196 Def / 36 SpA / 116 SpD / 40 Spe
  286. [18:17] <Sken> but
  287. [18:17] <%QuoteCS> 40 spa as well
  288. [18:17] <%QuoteCS> lol
  289. [18:17] <Sken> you put hydro pump to hit hard
  290. [18:17] <@Mambo> oh
  291. [18:17] <@Mambo> yeah
  292. [18:17] <@Mambo> fml
  293. [18:17] <@Mambo> EVs: 116 HP / 196 Def / 40 SpA / 116 SpD / 36 Spe
  294. [18:17] <@Mambo> still hits hard
  295. [18:17] <Sken> and you only invest 36 on SpAtl
  296. 01[18:17] <+Yagura> >speed
  297. [18:17] <@Mambo> it's adapt pump
  298. [18:17] <@Mambo> lol
  299. [18:17] <Sken> SpAtk*
  300. [18:17] <@Mambo> speed lets it outspeed something important
  301. [18:17] <@Mambo> hold on
  302. [18:17] <@apt-get> do you guys
  303. [18:17] <@apt-get> use cal;
  304. [18:17] <@apt-get> calm
  305. [18:17] <cityfolk> it says icy wind is illegal on skrelp
  306. [18:17] <cityfolk> ?
  307. [18:17] <@apt-get> on skrelp
  308. [18:17] <@Mambo> it creeps to 10
  309. [18:17] <@Mambo> to outspeed foongus
  310. [18:17] <Coconut> it is legal
  311. [18:17] <@Mambo> and other 9 speed
  312. [18:17] <cityfolk> ok
  313. [18:18] <@Mambo> nah apt i went bold
  314. [18:18] <Infamy> outspeeds spritz too i think
  315. [18:18] <@Mambo> im p sure you can run similar spreads tho
  316. [18:18] <@Mambo> to hit same evs
  317. [18:18] <Coconut> run Bold imo
  318. [18:18] <+fitzy> why would it be
  319. [18:18] <+fitzy> icy wind is tutor
  320. [18:18] <Jetpack> http://i.gyazo.com/5b7466b38fb79e057dd27528b491db70.png
  321. [18:18] <@apt-get> 196 SpA Life Orb Vulpix Fire Blast vs. 116 HP / 116+ SpD Eviolite Skrelp in Sun: 8-9 (34.7 - 39.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
  322. [18:18] <@apt-get> not bad
  323. [18:18] <Jetpack> imo
  324. [18:18] <cityfolk> bold prob helps it live drilbur eq
  325. [18:19] <cityfolk> and ko with hydro
  326. 01[18:19] <+Yagura> I'm down with Jetpack's spread
  327. [18:19] <Coconut> why Calm?
  328. [18:19] <+fitzy> also using eviolite skrelp without one of tbolt or tspikes
  329. [18:19] <cityfolk> i like jetpacks spread but it doesnt seem bulky enough idk
  330. 01[18:19] <+Yagura> evio numbers
  331. [18:19] <+fitzy> whyyyyyyyyy
  332. [18:19] <Nineage> I agree with yagura
  333. [18:19] <Infamy> jetpack's is good yeah
  334. [18:19] <@apt-get> you guys seem p hyped about skrelp
  335. [18:19] <@apt-get> is it that good
  336. [18:19] <cityfolk> idk
  337. [18:19] <Infamy> yes
  338. [18:19] <Coconut> I hit 16 and 14
  339. 01[18:19] <+Yagura> It is
  340. [18:19] <cityfolk> cute af tho
  341. [18:19] <%QuoteCS> It's not shit any more
  342. 01[18:19] <+Yagura> Well
  343. [18:20] <Coconut> with 116
  344. 01[18:20] <+Yagura> it's seriously viable now
  345. [18:20] <@Mambo> did we pick evs yet
  346. [18:20] <Nineage> Hits hard af
  347. [18:20] <cityfolk> 236 Atk Mold Breaker Drilbur Earthquake vs. 116 HP / 196+ Def Eviolite Skrelp: 18-24 (78.2 - 104.3%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
  348. [18:20] <Coconut> I don't want 200 in SpA
  349. [18:20] <@apt-get> cityfolk: SR ruins it
  350. [18:21] <Sken> i do
  351. [18:21] <@apt-get> nice
  352. [18:21] <cityfolk> 236 Atk Mold Breaker Drilbur Earthquake vs. 116 HP / 116 Def Eviolite Skrelp: 18-24 (78.2 - 104.3%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
  353. [18:21] <@apt-get> with two SR switch ins
  354. [18:21] <cityfolk> oh wait no sr
  355. [18:21] <cityfolk> oops
  356. [18:21] <@apt-get> vulpix KOes skrelp with two overheats
  357. [18:21] <@apt-get> so you can overheat on the switch in
  358. [18:21] <@apt-get> switch out
  359. [18:21] <@Mambo> http://i.imgur.com/w1cnyqN.png
  360. [18:21] <Ecna> Why would you keep Skrep in on Drilb
  361. [18:21] <@Mambo> imo
  362. [18:21] <cityfolk> why not just eball
  363. [18:21] <@apt-get> and next time you switch in if you overheat vulpix KOes skrelp
  364. [18:21] <@apt-get> 196 SpA Life Orb Vulpix Energy Ball vs. 116 HP / 36+ SpD Eviolite Skrelp: 6-8 (26 - 34.7%) -- 0% chance to 3HKO
  365. [18:21] <Coconut> I like Fizz's set
  366. [18:21] <Coconut> spread*
  367. [18:22] <Jetpack> we need calcs for 15 -> 13 Sp.A and 14 -> 16 Def
  368. [18:22] <Jetpack> its the only difference
  369. [18:22] <cityfolk> 40 SpA Adaptability Skrelp Sludge Wave vs. 212 HP / 76 SpD Eviolite Spritzee: 20-24 (74 - 88.8%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
  370. [18:23] <cityfolk> wait ok so whats the official new spread
  371. 01[18:23] <+Yagura> And spritzee can't do anything back
  372. 01[18:23] <+Yagura> heck even the silly tbolt won't hurt it much
  373. [18:23] <@Mambo> yeah tbolt is a 2hko
  374. [18:23] <@Mambo> which is not common
  375. [18:23] <cityfolk> i have fizz's spread rn
  376. [18:23] <Nineage> No reason to run more than 40 spatk imo
  377. 01[18:23] <+Yagura> can someone calc
  378. [18:23] <Infamy> i feel like 196+ def doesn't give it much more bulk
  379. [18:23] <Coconut> Run Fizz's set imo
  380. [18:23] <Nineage> Unless calcs prove otherwise
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  383. [18:23] <cityfolk> why would spritz stay in
  384. [18:24] <Infamy> from the calc's i've been running
  385. 01[18:24] <+Yagura> how much hpump from 40 spa skrelp
  386. [18:24] <@Mambo> infamy
  387. 01[18:24] <+Yagura> does to bulky foo?
  388. [18:24] <@Mambo> 16 def is commonly p solid
  389. 01[18:24] <+Yagura> 1v1 situation cityfolk
  390. [18:24] <@Mambo> the bulk is just nice in general
  391. [18:24] <cityfolk> 40 SpA Adaptability Skrelp Hydro Pump vs. 156 HP / 116+ SpD Eviolite Mienfoo: 10-14 (43.4 - 60.8%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
  392. [18:24] <@Mambo> and it becomes a solid fighter check
  393. [18:24] <@Mambo> fully invested, it's still a 2hko
  394. 01[18:25] <+Yagura> looks good
  395. [18:25] <@Mambo> just less so when foo is weakened
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  397. [18:25] <Nineage> Like I said no reason to run more
  398. [18:25] <@Mambo> idk i think that evio attacker just focus more on bulk
  399. 01[18:25] <+Yagura> I'm fine with Mambo's spread
  400. [18:25] <cityfolk> and foo always gets knocked off
  401. [18:25] <cityfolk> so
  402. [18:25] <@Mambo> adapt lets it not worry about spatk invest
  403. [18:25] <@Raichy> Who talked to me?
  404. [18:25] <@Raichy> :c
  405. [18:25] <@Mambo> alright
  406. [18:25] <@Mambo> so skrelp is done
  407. [18:25] <@Mambo> NEXT MON
  408. [18:25] <Vileman> raichy *-*
  409. [18:25] <cityfolk> pump-large > pump-super
  410. [18:26] <Ecna> Archen IMO
  411. [18:26] <cityfolk> imo
  412. [18:26] <@Raichy> Vileman :o
  413. [18:26] <Vileman> raichy i got op back :o
  414. [18:26] <Vileman> you*
  415. 01[18:26] <+Yagura> I want something
  416. [18:26] <@Raichy> Gratz
  417. 01[18:26] <+Yagura> that deals with
  418. 01[18:26] <+Yagura> croagunk
  419. [18:26] <@apt-get> macle OPed you Raichy
  420. [18:26] <Vileman> nono i didnt raichu u did lol
  421. [18:26] <@apt-get> and he was the one that highlighted you too
  422. [18:26] <@apt-get> afaik
  423. [18:26] <Vileman> raichy*
  424. [18:26] <cityfolk> archen or drilbur
  425. [18:26] <cityfolk> imo
  426. [18:26] <cityfolk> but then ur chou weak
  427. [18:26] <cityfolk> so add pumpkabo
  428. [18:26] <@apt-get> but
  429. [18:26] <@apt-get> ice beam chinchou
  430. [18:26] <@apt-get> reks you then
  431. 01[18:26] <+Yagura> doesn't 2hko
  432. [18:26] <Vileman> isnt ice beam standard on chinchou now
  433. 01[18:27] <+Yagura> iirc
  434. [18:27] <cityfolk> tru :/
  435. [18:27] <@apt-get> it does with SR
  436. 01[18:27] <+Yagura> with the right spread
  437. 01[18:27] <+Yagura> idr
  438. [18:27] <@apt-get> except if you run
  439. [18:27] <Nineage> drilbur and then a good chou counter
  440. [18:27] <@apt-get> fully special defensive
  441. [18:27] <cityfolk> ice beam and twave
  442. [18:27] <cityfolk> have taken the spots of
  443. 01[18:27] <+Yagura> 16/16 defs
  444. [18:27] <cityfolk> rest and sleep talk
  445. [18:27] <Vileman> fat normals are the ebst bet vs chou imo
  446. [18:27] <@apt-get> I run heal bell ice beam hpump volt switch
  447. 01[18:27] <+Yagura> is the best pumpkin imo
  448. [18:27] <@apt-get> with 17 speed and max SpA
  449. [18:27] <@apt-get> dunno why people prefer running slow sets
  450. [18:27] <Vileman> apt-get yagura
  451. [18:27] <Vileman> when fite
  452. [18:27] <Vileman> oo
  453. [18:27] <@Raichy> ty apt
  454. [18:27] <@Raichy> Santa
  455. [18:27] <@Raichy> :o
  456. [18:27] <+Aerow> they're doing a levi
  457. [18:27] <cityfolk> pory is best chou stopper
  458. 01[18:27] <+Yagura> Let's get done with this workshop first lol
  459. [18:27] <cityfolk> ino
  460. [18:27] <cityfolk> imo*
  461. [18:27] <@apt-get> Yagura: fite now?
  462. [18:27] <cityfolk> bc trace volt absorb
  463. 01[18:27] <+Yagura> No
  464. 01[18:27] <+Yagura> n_n
  465. 01[18:28] <+Yagura> Tomorrow please
  466. 01[18:28] <+Yagura> So yeah
  467. [18:28] <Vileman> ༼ つ◕_◕༽つ ɢɪᴠᴇ matchas ༼ つ◕_◕༽つ
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  470. [18:28] <@apt-get> dunno if I'll be able to tomorrow
  471. [18:28] <Vileman> :(
  472. [18:28] <@Mambo> dont interrupt
  473. [18:28] <@apt-get> I'll try
  474. [18:28] <@Mambo> my workshop
  475. [18:28] <@Mambo> fool
  476. [18:28] <Vileman> .l.
  477. 01[18:28] <+Yagura> Vileman stop pls
  478. [18:28] <@Mambo> so pumpkin super?
  479. 03[18:28] * Mambo was kicked by apt-get (stop bullying vileman)
  480. [18:28] <Vileman> ok :(
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  482. 03[18:28] * Cerberus sets mode: +v Mambo
  483. [18:28] <Vileman> n_n
  484. 01[18:28] <+Yagura> we all understand your huge love to dicks
  485. [18:28] <cityfolk> ive been using pump large
  486. 01[18:28] <+Yagura> but yea it's enough
  487. [18:28] <+Mambo> god damn it apt
  488. [18:29] <cityfolk> and it has p much equal bulk
  489. [18:29] <+Mambo> im trying to do something here
  490. [18:29] <Vileman> yagura that is your love not mine :(
  491. [18:29] <cityfolk> but its bullet seeds hit a lot harder
  492. [18:29] <Vileman> but ok i ownt interrupt
  493. 01[18:29] <+Yagura> So yeah
  494. 01[18:29] <+Yagura> What next?
  495. 01[18:29] <+Yagura> I think pumkin would do the job
  496. 01[18:29] <+Yagura> pumpkin*
  497. [18:29] <Infamy> pump of some variety imo
  498. [18:29] <+Mambo> standard pumpkin super imo
  499. [18:29] <cityfolk> pump large
  500. [18:29] <+Mambo> but what evs
  501. 01[18:29] <+Yagura> super
  502. [18:29] <+Mambo> super and large hit same shit
  503. [18:29] <cityfolk> has way stronger bullet seeds
  504. 02[18:29] * Nineage (Mibbit@synIRC-1A4A4CDA.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  505. [18:29] <+Mambo> iirc
  506. 01[18:29] <+Yagura> imo
  507. [18:29] <cityfolk> and can still tank hits
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  509. 01[18:30] <+Yagura> 48 HP / 196 Def / 236 SpD / 28 Spe
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  511. 01[18:30] <+Yagura> careful
  512. 01[18:30] <+Yagura> imo
  513. [18:30] <@apt-get> 196 SpA Life Orb Vulpix Extrasensory vs. 116 HP / 116+ SpD Eviolite Skrelp: 13-16 (56.5 - 69.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  514. 03[18:30] * santa sets mode: +o Mambo
  515. [18:30] <@apt-get> nice
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  517. [18:30] <@Mambo> if we want to tank ice beams
  518. [18:30] <@Mambo> EVs: 204 HP / 36 Def / 236 SpD / 32 Spe
  519. [18:30] <@Mambo> with carefu
  520. 01[18:30] <+Yagura> idk
  521. [18:30] <@Raichy> Mambo
  522. [18:30] <@Raichy> :(
  523. [18:30] <@Mambo> wat
  524. 01[18:30] <+Yagura> I wouldn't change the spread
  525. 01[18:30] <+Yagura> just to deal
  526. 01[18:30] <+Yagura> with a move
  527. [18:30] <%QuoteCS> Bullet Seed generally does the same damage between 13-17 attack
  528. 01[18:30] <+Yagura> from a pokemon
  529. [18:30] <@apt-get> what is the team rn
  530. [18:30] <%QuoteCS> literally just skrelp
  531. [18:30] <@Mambo> the one i posted is the one from the analysis iirc
  532. 01[18:30] <+Yagura> skrelp
  533. [18:30] <@Mambo> lol
  534. [18:31] <@Mambo> evio attacking skrelp
  535. [18:31] <@apt-get> the team will kinda get rekt by vulpix
  536. [18:31] <@Raichy> You highlighted me because you need me to give to you love y/y
  537. [18:31] <@apt-get> you need a fire type
  538. 01[18:31] <+Yagura> js
  539. 01[18:31] <+Yagura> my spread gives it
  540. 01[18:31] <+Yagura> 23/16/16
  541. 01[18:31] <+Yagura> which is cool imo
  542. [18:31] <cityfolk> pony
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  544. [18:31] <cityfolk> imo
  545. [18:31] <cityfolk> but then more dril weakness
  546. 01[18:31] <+Yagura> Let's get done with pumpkin first imo
  547. [18:31] <Sken> i'd use yagura's
  548. [18:31] <Sken> sounds cool
  549. [18:31] <user_zf> what do we have so far?
  550. [18:31] <cityfolk> ok so skrelp + pump
  551. 01[18:31] <+Yagura> skrelp
  552. [18:31] <@Mambo> yeah idc i dont know a lot about pumpkin
  553. [18:31] <cityfolk> ?
  554. [18:31] <@Mambo> zf evio attacking skrelp
  555. [18:31] <@Mambo> + some pumpkin set
  556. [18:32] <user_zf> i see
  557. [18:32] <@Mambo> we dont know yet
  558. [18:32] <user_zf> what moveset?
  559. [18:32] <cityfolk> synthesis/bullet/shadow sneak/will o
  560. [18:32] <user_zf> on skerlps
  561. [18:32] <cityfolk> hydro/wave/icy wind/hp fire
  562. 01[18:32] <+Yagura> wave pump hp fire icy wind
  563. 01[18:32] <+Yagura> So yeah
  564. [18:32] <Eren_Yeager> Skrelp has Hydro/Sludge Wave/HP Fire/Icy WInd
  565. [18:32] <user_zf> ok cool
  566. 01[18:32] <+Yagura> you guys are fine with 48 HP / 196 Def / 236 SpD / 28 Spe careful pumpkin?
  567. [18:32] <Eren_Yeager> sure
  568. 01[18:32] <+Yagura> (super)
  569. [18:32] <user_zf> no
  570. [18:32] <user_zf> I will fetch a set
  571. [18:32] <user_zf> brb
  572. 01[18:32] <+Yagura> o _ k
  573. [18:32] <@Mambo> lol
  574. [18:32] <Infamy> yeah yag sounds good
  575. [18:32] <cityfolk> w frisk?
  576. [18:32] <Eren_Yeager> lel
  577. [18:32] <@Mambo> i like yag's but zf is a wizard
  578. [18:33] <@Mambo> so we'll see
  579. [18:33] <Eren_Yeager> yeah frisk
  580. 01[18:33] <+Yagura> yea fold
  581. [18:33] <@Mambo> city ya
  582. [18:33] <%QuoteCS> If we want it tanking special hits that's fine
  583. [18:33] <@Mambo> can we run our own vulpix
  584. [18:33] <@Mambo> LO pix
  585. [18:33] <@Mambo> is brutal
  586. [18:33] <@Mambo> + sun for synthesis
  587. [18:33] <cityfolk> ruins hydro
  588. [18:33] <cityfolk> :/
  589. [18:34] <@Mambo> bleh
  590. [18:34] <user_zf> EVs: 44 HP / 148 Atk / 196 Def / 76 SpD / 32 Spe Careful Nature or EVs: 204 HP / 196 Def / 76 SpD / 32 Spe Careful Nature
  591. [18:34] <user_zf> imo
  592. [18:34] <%QuoteCS> wait, are we using large or super?
  593. [18:34] <@Mambo> super
  594. 01[18:34] <+Yagura> super
  595. [18:34] <@Mambo> iirc
  596. [18:34] <Eren_Yeager> super
  597. [18:34] <user_zf> super
  598. [18:34] <Infamy> super imo
  599. [18:34] <%Hawkstar> super
  600. [18:34] <user_zf> super outclasses in every way
  601. [18:34] <%QuoteCS> good
  602. [18:34] <cityfolk> super :///
  603. 01[18:34] <+Yagura> The first spread is too wrong
  604. 01[18:34] <+Yagura> i wouldn't use
  605. [18:34] <%QuoteCS> zf, don't bother investing in attack
  606. 01[18:34] <+Yagura> any attack evs
  607. [18:34] <Eren_Yeager> ^
  608. [18:35] <cityfolk> i like yags spread
  609. 01[18:35] <+Yagura> so yeah
  610. [18:35] <Infamy> tbh just use the spread yag stole from my post in viability rankings
  611. 01[18:35] <+Yagura> you're fine with 48 HP / 196 Def / 236 SpD / 28 Spe?
  612. [18:35] <Infamy> :P
  613. 01[18:35] <+Yagura> ???????
  614. [18:35] <cityfolk> careful
  615. [18:35] <cityfolk> yes
  616. 01[18:35] <+Yagura> yea careful
  617. 01[18:35] <+Yagura> ok
  618. [18:35] <Infamy> yeah is good set
  619. 01[18:35] <+Yagura> frisk as an ability
  620. 01[18:35] <+Yagura> seems the best one
  621. [18:35] <cityfolk> y
  622. [18:35] <Eren_Yeager> yes
  623. [18:35] <Jetpack> of course
  624. [18:35] <cityfolk> i accidentally used pickup once and it actually worked but
  625. [18:35] <@Mambo> so we're using yag's set then
  626. 01[18:35] <+Yagura> bullet seed will-o-wisp
  627. 01[18:35] <+Yagura> sneak synthesis
  628. [18:35] <cityfolk> frisk <3
  629. 01[18:36] <+Yagura> standard
  630. [18:36] <cityfolk> ynthesis
  631. [18:36] <cityfolk> yes
  632. [18:36] <Jetpack> yepp
  633. [18:36] <Eren_Yeager> yeah
  634. [18:36] <user_zf> 23 / 16 / 16 bulk is inferior to 25/16/14 bulk though
  635. [18:36] <user_zf> iirc
  636. 01[18:36] <+Yagura> ok
  637. [18:36] <%QuoteCS> your evs don't make sense yagura
  638. 01[18:36] <+Yagura> WE'VE GOT SKRELP AND PUMPKABOO NOW
  639. [18:36] <Eren_Yeager> great
  640. [18:36] <cityfolk> we aint done w pump bb
  641. 02[18:36] * &elevator_music (come@me.bro) Quit (Quit: )
  642. 01[18:36] <+Yagura> Hm quote?
  643. [18:36] <%QuoteCS> wait nvm
  644. 01[18:36] <+Yagura> lol
  645. [18:36] <%QuoteCS> it gave me the wrong pumpkin
  646. [18:36] <%QuoteCS> fucking shit sucks
  647. [18:36] <Eren_Yeager> lol
  648. 01[18:36] <+Yagura> Anyways
  649. 01[18:36] <+Yagura> I think
  650. [18:36] <cityfolk> so pump/skrelp
  651. 01[18:36] <+Yagura> we need something
  652. [18:36] <@Mambo> can we run LO pix
  653. [18:36] <@Mambo> pls
  654. 01[18:36] <+Yagura> that deals with grass-types
  655. [18:36] <Infamy> throw on pony for fwg
  656. [18:36] <cityfolk> need fletchling stopper
  657. [18:36] <Ecna> We need a bird check
  658. [18:36] <cityfolk> and pawn stopper
  659. [18:37] <Ecna> IMO\
  660. [18:37] <Jetpack> chou imo
  661. [18:37] <cityfolk> bj chou<3
  662. [18:37] <user_zf> evio chou
  663. [18:37] <Ecna> Bj is superior
  664. [18:37] <Infamy> pony does all of that but fletch kinda imo
  665. [18:37] <cityfolk> bj > evio
  666. [18:37] <user_zf> and evio spritz to keep skrelp healthy y/n?
  667. [18:37] <TRICKING> y
  668. [18:37] <cityfolk> licki
  669. [18:37] <cityfolk> imo
  670. [18:37] <@Mambo> yes lets get all the water types
  671. [18:38] <cityfolk> licki could work to help additionally w chou
  672. [18:38] <cityfolk> and bc its fighting weakness
  673. [18:38] <cityfolk> is taken care of by pump and skrlep
  674. [18:38] <@Mambo> shadow claw drilbur is standard now rite
  675. [18:38] <cityfolk> n
  676. 01[18:38] <+Yagura> idk
  677. [18:38] <Eren_Yeager> no
  678. [18:38] <cityfolk> spin/rocks/slide/eq
  679. 01[18:38] <+Yagura> never run into one
  680. [18:38] <cityfolk> almost alays
  681. [18:38] <cityfolk> always
  682. [18:38] <Eren_Yeager> yeah
  683. [18:38] <@Mambo> ew
  684. [18:38] <@Mambo> rocks
  685. 01[18:38] <+Yagura> jab over rocks in some occasions
  686. [18:38] <Infamy> shadow claw still doesn't 2hko pump unless LO
  687. [18:38] <@Mambo> i never liked rocks on drilbur
  688. 01[18:38] <+Yagura> ok
  689. 01[18:39] <+Yagura> So what next?
  690. [18:39] <Infamy> pony for fwg imo
  691. [18:39] <@Mambo> we need a fire-type and fletchling check
  692. [18:39] <user_zf> we need a chou stop too
  693. [18:39] <@Mambo> also known as
  694. [18:39] <@Mambo> TYRUNT
  695. [18:39] <Infamy> ^
  696. 01[18:39] <+Yagura> Tyrunt the fire type
  697. [18:39] <cityfolk> pony an bj chou
  698. [18:39] <Eren_Yeager> lol
  699. 01[18:39] <+Yagura> !!!!!!!!
  700. [18:39] <cityfolk> prob solved
  701. [18:39] <@Mambo> yag fire-type check
  702. [18:39] <@Mambo> you nub
  703. 01[18:39] <+Yagura> o
  704. [18:39] <@Mambo> did it get sturdy juice
  705. 01[18:39] <+Yagura> no
  706. [18:40] <@Mambo> gae
  707. 01[18:40] <+Yagura> it's not found in the wild
  708. 01[18:40] <+Yagura> so idk
  709. 01[18:40] <+Yagura> it doesn't get it
  710. 01[18:40] <+Yagura> yet
  711. [18:40] <Infamy> pray for event imo
  712. 01[18:40] <+Yagura> So yea what next?
  713. 01[18:40] <+Yagura> I'm not fine with Tyrunt
  714. 01[18:40] <+Yagura> tbh
  715. 01[18:40] <+Yagura> Makes the team even weaker to pawn
  716. [18:41] <Infamy> pony stops pawn and completes fwg
  717. [18:41] <cityfolk> pony
  718. [18:41] <Infamy> also adorable
  719. [18:41] <cityfolk> bulky fast pony is best pony
  720. [18:41] <Infamy> yeah obv
  721. 01[18:41] <+Yagura> i've always been a fan of fwg
  722. [18:41] <@Mambo> does pony still need to hit 19 speed
  723. 01[18:41] <+Yagura> no
  724. [18:41] <Infamy> fwg is rly good in lc
  725. [18:41] <Eren_Yeager> n
  726. 01[18:41] <+Yagura> impish is still best
  727. [18:41] <@Mambo> cuz i kinda think we should run super defensively bulky
  728. [18:41] <FiendHound> to interject, what about larv
  729. 01[18:41] <+Yagura> fletch weak
  730. [18:41] <@Mambo> we want a fletch check too
  731. [18:42] <Infamy> larv means we need hazard control too
  732. 01[18:42] <+Yagura> pony needs hazard control js
  733. [18:42] <user_zf> tru
  734. 01[18:42] <+Yagura> not as much as larvesta does
  735. [18:42] <FiendHound> you always want some for of hazard control imo
  736. 01[18:42] <+Yagura> but it's preferred
  737. [18:42] <Infamy> yeah but larv means you have to have it
  738. [18:42] <FiendHound> ^
  739. [18:42] <user_zf> archen or drilbur
  740. [18:42] <user_zf> ?
  741. [18:42] <Infamy> or team goes poof
  742. [18:42] <Infamy> drilbur imo
  743. 01[18:42] <+Yagura> I'm down with pony
  744. [18:42] <user_zf> pump stops drilbur ho
  745. 01[18:42] <+Yagura> fine with it
  746. [18:42] <user_zf> *tho
  747. 01[18:43] <+Yagura> also deals with vulpix to please apt lol
  748. [18:43] <user_zf> pony is cool
  749. [18:43] <user_zf> fast or slow pony
  750. [18:43] <user_zf> ?
  751. [18:43] <FiendHound> are we building BO?
  752. 01[18:43] <+Yagura> fast
  753. [18:43] <@Mambo> slow
  754. [18:43] <@Mambo> well
  755. [18:43] <cityfolk> i like fast bulky pony
  756. 01[18:43] <+Yagura> with impish i
  757. 01[18:43] <+Yagura> mo
  758. [18:43] <@Mambo> not too slow
  759. [18:43] <@Mambo> like
  760. [18:43] <@Mambo> 17-18 speed
  761. [18:43] <@Mambo> imo
  762. [18:43] <user_zf> ok then
  763. [18:43] <FiendHound> 18 speed imo
  764. 01[18:43] <+Yagura> 18 speed
  765. [18:43] <Infamy> fast bulky pony with 18 speed imo
  766. [18:43] <@Mambo> sunnybeam
  767. [18:43] <@Mambo> imo
  768. [18:43] <@Mambo> cuz chou
  769. [18:43] <FiendHound> are we gonna do 16 def
  770. 01[18:43] <+Yagura> EVs: 236 Def / 76 SpD / 196 Spe
  771. 01[18:43] <+Yagura> imo
  772. [18:43] <user_zf> 116 hp / 236 def / 156 spe impish?
  773. [18:43] <Infamy> we're using run away pony rite???
  774. [18:43] <Eren_Yeager> so 236 Def / 76 SpD / 196 Spe
  775. [18:44] <FiendHound> fizz we have pump though
  776. 01[18:44] <+Yagura> nah zf
  777. [18:44] <@Mambo> ice beam chou
  778. [18:44] <@Mambo> is common now
  779. 01[18:44] <+Yagura> we still need to speed creep
  780. 01[18:44] <+Yagura> some stuff
  781. 01[18:44] <+Yagura> like foo and chen
  782. 01[18:44] <+Yagura> drilbur
  783. 01[18:44] <+Yagura> too
  784. [18:44] <@Mambo> i think sunnybeam merits a spot
  785. 01[18:44] <+Yagura> don't really find sunnybeam fitting well in the team
  786. [18:44] <Infamy> sunnybeam could be cool but it kills hydro
  787. 01[18:44] <+Yagura> we didn't choose pony because we wanted a fire offensive mon
  788. [18:44] <@Mambo> exactly
  789. [18:44] <@Mambo> so why take recoil
  790. 01[18:44] <+Yagura> if we did then we'd consider sunnybeam
  791. [18:45] <@Mambo> can we just make it special
  792. [18:45] <@Mambo> special bulky
  793. [18:45] <@Mambo> lol
  794. 01[18:45] <+Yagura> i don't really find
  795. 01[18:45] <+Yagura> the recoil that important
  796. 01[18:45] <+Yagura> fast recovery always fixes that
  797. 01[18:45] <+Yagura> ok
  798. 01[18:45] <+Yagura> so you guys
  799. 01[18:45] <+Yagura> fine with
  800. 01[18:45] <+Yagura> EVs: 236 Def / 76 SpD / 196 Spe pony?
  801. [18:45] <user_zf> tbh I don't like slow pony atm
  802. [18:45] <Eren_Yeager> yeah
  803. [18:46] <Infamy> yeah sounds good
  804. 01[18:46] <+Yagura> (with impish)
  805. 01[18:46] <+Yagura> and zf it isn't even slow
  806. 01[18:46] <+Yagura> 18 speed tier is cool
  807. [18:46] <user_zf> 18 spd tho
  808. 01[18:46] <+Yagura> that isn't slow
  809. [18:46] <user_zf> ik ik
  810. 01[18:46] <+Yagura> still allows pony to outspeed what it wants to
  811. 01[18:46] <+Yagura> ok to set
  812. 01[18:46] <+Yagura> flare blitz/morning sun/will-o-wisp
  813. 01[18:46] <+Yagura> fourth move is
  814. 01[18:46] <+Yagura> idk
  815. [18:46] <user_zf> toxic
  816. [18:46] <Eren_Yeager> toxic
  817. 01[18:46] <+Yagura> toxic/wild charge/sunny day
  818. 01[18:47] <+Yagura> i understand the reasoning behind toxic but
  819. 01[18:47] <+Yagura> it's situational af
  820. 01[18:47] <+Yagura> heck
  821. 01[18:47] <+Yagura> all moves i mentionned
  822. [18:47] <user_zf> wild charge is chou bait on a chou-less team
  823. 01[18:47] <+Yagura> are situational
  824. 01[18:47] <+Yagura> wild charge can be handy
  825. 01[18:47] <+Yagura> but yea
  826. 01[18:47] <+Yagura> the fourth moveslot is just about flavour
  827. [18:47] <user_zf> ik wild charge is cool
  828. [18:47] <@Mambo> HYPNOSIS
  829. 01[18:48] <+Yagura> bounce
  830. [18:48] <Infamy> TAIL WHIP
  831. [18:48] <FiendHound> triple status pony imo
  832. [18:48] <@Mambo> bounce is just switch-in bait
  833. [18:48] <Eren_Yeager> lol
  834. [18:48] <@Mambo> blitz / willo / morning sun / hypno
  835. [18:48] <@Mambo> imo
  836. [18:48] <@Mambo> cuz fuck counters
  837. [18:48] <cityfolk> why would u use toxic
  838. [18:48] <cityfolk> ?
  839. [18:48] <@Mambo> they can go to sleep
  840. [18:48] <user_zf> toxic imo
  841. [18:48] <FiendHound> that's almost cool
  842. [18:48] <Infamy> toxic is fun times
  843. [18:48] <FiendHound> City for other pony
  844. [18:48] <user_zf> hypno is unreliable tho
  845. [18:49] <user_zf> and chou just resttalks
  846. 01[18:49] <+Yagura> i'm not fine with hypno
  847. [18:49] <@Mambo> hypnosis
  848. [18:49] <user_zf> ?_?
  849. [18:49] <@Mambo> just sleep sother pony
  850. [18:49] <cityfolk> wild charge tgo
  851. [18:49] <Infamy> um hello 55 acc is 2 gud zf
  852. [18:49] <@Mambo> hypno is cool af
  853. [18:49] <cityfolk> will o chou on the switch
  854. [18:49] <cityfolk> and then gtfo
  855. 01[18:49] <+Yagura> err
  856. [18:49] <%QuoteCS> I'd rather run Confide than Hypnosis
  857. 01[18:49] <+Yagura> how is 55 acc good?
  858. [18:49] <%QuoteCS> lololol
  859. [18:49] <@Mambo> Infamy: it's 60
  860. [18:49] <cityfolk> whats the spread
  861. [18:49] <FiendHound> hypno is 60% accurate
  862. [18:49] <Infamy> same thing mamo
  863. [18:49] <user_zf> honestly sleep talk is better filler than hypno
  864. [18:49] <FiendHound> which is 0% when I use it
  865. 01[18:49] <+Yagura> ugh
  866. 01[18:49] <+Yagura> give ponyta
  867. 01[18:49] <+Yagura> drill run already
  868. [18:49] <Infamy> yeah toxic sounds like best filler
  869. [18:50] <cityfolk> whats the ponyta spread
  870. [18:50] <FiendHound> or baton pass
  871. 01[18:50] <+Yagura> EVs: 236 Def / 76 SpD / 196 Spe
  872. [18:50] <cityfolk> wild charge for archen tho
  873. [18:50] <@Mambo> omg
  874. [18:50] <@Mambo> attract
  875. [18:50] <@Mambo> cuz fuck everyone else
  876. 01[18:50] <+Yagura> wait
  877. 01[18:50] <+Yagura> it gets bpass?
  878. 01[18:50] <+Yagura> ??????
  879. [18:50] <Infamy> you can willo archen though city
  880. [18:50] <@Mambo> destroy the opposisiton
  881. [18:50] <FiendHound> no
  882. [18:50] <cityfolk> ty yag <3
  883. 01[18:50] <+Yagura> aw
  884. 01[18:50] <+Yagura> and np bb
  885. 01[18:50] <+Yagura> man
  886. 01[18:50] <+Yagura> bpass pony
  887. 01[18:50] <+Yagura> would be cool af
  888. [18:50] <@Mambo> guys
  889. [18:50] <@Mambo> low kick
  890. [18:50] <cityfolk> it gets agility
  891. [18:50] <@Mambo> for dour
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  894. 01[18:50] <+Yagura> double kick
  895. [18:51] <%QuoteCS> All these moves
  896. 01[18:51] <+Yagura> does more
  897. 01[18:51] <+Yagura> imo
  898. 01[18:51] <+Yagura> but yea
  899. 01[18:51] <+Yagura> toxic/sunny day/wild charge
  900. 01[18:51] <+Yagura> I'll go with toxic
  901. [18:51] <cityfolk> so will o/morning sun/flare blitz
  902. [18:51] <cityfolk> ?
  903. 01[18:51] <+Yagura> best filler
  904. [18:51] <Infamy> toxic imo
  905. [18:51] <cityfolk> sigh
  906. [18:51] <Infamy> yeah city
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  908. 01[18:51] <+Yagura> so you guys are
  909. 01[18:51] <+Yagura> fine with toxic?
  910. [18:51] <Infamy> y
  911. [18:51] <FiendHound> toxic or sun; either or
  912. [18:52] <cityfolk> im putting wild charge but yall are the ones in charge lol
  913. 01[18:52] <+Yagura> tbh i'm not sure
  914. 01[18:52] <+Yagura> 3 moves
  915. 01[18:52] <+Yagura> that are different
  916. 01[18:52] <+Yagura> each work in situations
  917. [18:52] <Infamy> wild charge lets it fuck with birds a bit more
  918. [18:52] <Infamy> i'd be cool w/ that too
  919. 01[18:52] <+Yagura> and they don't even affect the team much except synthesis
  920. 01[18:52] <+Yagura> er
  921. [18:52] <cityfolk> wild charge ko's archen after rock
  922. [18:52] <cityfolk> rocks
  923. 01[18:52] <+Yagura> sunny day*
  924. [18:52] <@Mambo> yeah go toxic
  925. [18:52] <@Mambo> NEXT MON
  926. [18:52] <cityfolk> sunny day helps synthesis
  927. [18:52] <cityfolk> but hurts skrelp
  928. [18:52] <FiendHound> what is skrelp running again
  929. 01[18:52] <+Yagura> guess what
  930. 01[18:52] <+Yagura> i'll go with
  931. 01[18:53] <+Yagura> sunny day
  932. [18:53] <Blikje> so people have been talking about rocks since the start but what mon on the team is going to set up rocks?
  933. 01[18:53] <+Yagura> Skrelp @ Eviolite
  934. 01[18:53] <+Yagura> Ability: Adaptability
  935. 01[18:53] <+Yagura> Level: 5
  936. 01[18:53] <+Yagura> EVs: 116 HP / 196 Def / 40 SpA / 116 SpD / 40 Spe
  937. 01[18:53] <+Yagura> Bold Nature
  938. 01[18:53] <+Yagura> - Hydro Pump
  939. 01[18:53] <+Yagura> - Sludge Wave
  940. 01[18:53] <+Yagura> - Hidden Power [Fire]
  941. 01[18:53] <+Yagura> - Icy Wind
  942. 01[18:53] <+Yagura> fiend
  943. [18:53] <FiendHound> ty
  944. 01[18:53] <+Yagura> np
  945. 01[18:53] <+Yagura> and what Blikje said
  946. 01[18:53] <+Yagura> we don't even have a rocks mon
  947. 01[18:53] <+Yagura> at least not yet
  948. [18:53] <cityfolk> o
  949. 01[18:53] <+Yagura> SO
  950. [18:53] <cityfolk> dril imo
  951. [18:53] <cityfolk> helps w electric
  952. [18:53] <Infamy> rocks are usually the last thing i put on a team tbh
  953. [18:53] <FiendHound> my vote is archen or cranidos
  954. 01[18:53] <+Yagura> SKRELP/PIMPKABOO SUPER/PONYTA
  955. 01[18:53] <+Yagura> WHAT NEXT
  956. 01[18:53] <+Yagura> archen seems
  957. [18:54] <cityfolk> pimpkaboo
  958. [18:54] <cityfolk> my fav mon
  959. 01[18:54] <+Yagura> problematic to me
  960. [18:54] <Infamy> binacle imo
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  962. 01[18:54] <+Yagura> ew no
  963. [18:54] <@Mambo> shell smash sr tirtouga
  964. [18:54] <@Mambo> you set rocks
  965. [18:54] <Infamy> :[
  966. [18:54] <@Mambo> then they dont expect the ss
  967. 01[18:54] <+Yagura> too
  968. [18:54] <Infamy> tru
  969. 01[18:54] <+Yagura> gimmicky
  970. 01[18:54] <+Yagura> might work but
  971. 01[18:54] <+Yagura> idt we need
  972. 01[18:54] <+Yagura> more ground weak mons
  973. [18:55] <cityfolk> bulktirt
  974. [18:55] <FiendHound> I don't wanna use tirt
  975. [18:55] <cityfolk> altho same weaknesses as skrelp p much
  976. [18:55] <Infamy> yeah i agree with fiend
  977. [18:55] <FiendHound> makes chinchou/mag too v turn happy
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  980. [18:55] <user_zf> gdi what did i miss?
  981. 01[18:55] <+Yagura> we got pony
  982. [18:55] <user_zf> ok
  983. [18:55] <FiendHound> yo, what about lileep
  984. [18:55] <user_zf> now what?
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  986. [18:55] <user_zf> lileep is ass rn
  987. [18:55] <user_zf> I've used it
  988. 01[18:55] <+Yagura> we're still discussing
  989. 01[18:55] <+Yagura> what to use
  990. 01[18:55] <+Yagura> i did too
  991. 01[18:55] <+Yagura> didn't like it much
  992. [18:55] <@Mambo> defensive archen
  993. [18:55] <cityfolk> i love lileep
  994. [18:55] <@Mambo> so we have a more relable fletch check
  995. [18:55] <cityfolk> but its weaknesses..
  996. [18:55] <FiendHound> I loved it when I used it
  997. [18:55] <user_zf> evio chou
  998. [18:56] <FiendHound> :(
  999. [18:56] <cityfolk> murdered my pawn and foo
  1000. 01[18:56] <+Yagura> i think defensive chen
  1001. 01[18:56] <+Yagura> is worth a shot
  1002. [18:56] <cityfolk> altho stockpile/recover/giga drain
  1003. [18:56] <cityfolk> is decent
  1004. 01[18:56] <+Yagura> will makie the team
  1005. [18:56] <@Mambo> actually
  1006. 01[18:56] <+Yagura> too chinchou weak
  1007. [18:56] <@Mambo> yagura
  1008. [18:56] <%QuoteCS> Was there an agreed fourth move for Pony, or was it just whatever?
  1009. 01[18:56] <+Yagura> but we can fix that
  1010. [18:56] <@Mambo> itemless sr
  1011. [18:56] <@Mambo> with taunt
  1012. [18:56] <@Mambo> n shit
  1013. [18:56] <@Mambo> imo
  1014. [18:56] <cityfolk> toxic/sunny day/wld charge
  1015. [18:56] <cityfolk> quotecs
  1016. [18:56] <%QuoteCS> whatever it is, then!
  1017. [18:56] <%QuoteCS> =D
  1018. [18:56] <%QuoteCS> I'll use Confide for shits and giggles
  1019. 01[18:56] <+Yagura> i'll just
  1020. 01[18:56] <+Yagura> slash the three moves
  1021. 01[18:57] <+Yagura> you choose what to run
  1022. [18:57] <FiendHound> so hippo or archen for sr mon?
  1023. [18:57] <user_zf> we're weak to fighters (sort of) and fletch atm
  1024. [18:57] <Infamy> archen
  1025. [18:57] <Infamy> hippo fucks with synth and sun
  1026. [18:57] <Infamy> wait nvm doesn't have to run ss
  1027. [18:57] <user_zf> hippo has anti-sunergy with pony
  1028. [18:57] <@Mambo> Archen Ability: Defeatist Level: 5 EVs: 180 Atk / 76 Def / 196 Spe Jolly Nature - Acrobatics - Taunt - Stealth Rock - Earthquake
  1029. [18:57] <@Mambo> imo
  1030. [18:57] <FiendHound> sand force yo
  1031. [18:57] <user_zf> n mambo
  1032. [18:57] <user_zf> we need it to last
  1033. [18:57] <@Mambo> then roost > eq
  1034. 01[18:58] <+Yagura> not really fine with that set
  1035. [18:58] <@Mambo> i just think taunt archen
  1036. [18:58] <FiendHound> You don't need to run sand stream, it does have snd force
  1037. [18:58] <@Mambo> is cool
  1038. 01[18:58] <+Yagura> hippo w/ stream
  1039. 01[18:58] <+Yagura> reks pumpkin's synthesis too
  1040. [18:58] <user_zf> ^
  1041. [18:58] <user_zf> and morning sun
  1042. [18:58] <FiendHound> sand force
  1043. 01[18:58] <+Yagura> hippo seems fine
  1044. [18:58] <+Aerow> its not like hippo has to run sand stream like fiend says
  1045. [18:59] <@Mambo> omg lets add hippo
  1046. [18:59] <FiendHound> we still get its massive bulk and no sand
  1047. 01[18:59] <+Yagura> makes us chou weak
  1048. [18:59] <@Mambo> and then ferro
  1049. 01[18:59] <+Yagura> but
  1050. 01[18:59] <+Yagura> we can fix it
  1051. [18:59] <@Mambo> and then spritzee
  1052. [18:59] <user_zf> sand force hippo is cool
  1053. [18:59] <cityfolk> chou weak as hell
  1054. [18:59] <Infamy> yeah hippo sounds cool
  1055. [18:59] <@Mambo> and be like cool user glassglaceon
  1056. 01[18:59] <+Yagura> with adding some grass-type
  1057. [18:59] <user_zf> we need our own chou
  1058. [18:59] <user_zf> with thius build rn
  1059. 01[18:59] <+Yagura> hm
  1060. 01[18:59] <+Yagura> so yeah
  1061. 01[18:59] <+Yagura> hippo everyone?
  1062. [18:59] <cityfolk> n
  1063. [18:59] <+Aerow> yes
  1064. [18:59] <user_zf> y
  1065. [18:59] <Infamy> y
  1066. 01[19:00] <+Yagura> cityfolk
  1067. [19:00] <FiendHound> yyy
  1068. 01[19:00] <+Yagura> got something else in mind?
  1069. [19:00] <@Mambo> you know what we should add
  1070. [19:00] <@Mambo> a pokemon with evio
  1071. [19:00] <cityfolk> dril
  1072. [19:00] <cityfolk> faster and has spin
  1073. [19:00] <user_zf> we need hazard control
  1074. [19:00] <Infamy> but no recovery
  1075. [19:00] <cityfolk> and doesnt have to run sand force to avoid fuckin w synthesis
  1076. [19:00] <cityfolk> mold breaker hits shit
  1077. [19:00] <FiendHound> valid point
  1078. [19:00] <cityfolk> that it needs to hit
  1079. [19:01] <@Mambo> slay city
  1080. [19:01] <@Mambo> slayyyy
  1081. [19:01] <Blikje> but dril doesn't run eviolite right?
  1082. [19:01] <@Mambo> i agree with cityfolk
  1083. [19:01] <cityfolk> it does blikje
  1084. [19:01] <%QuoteCS> dril runs evio
  1085. [19:01] <@Mambo> iirc rowan brought a bj set once
  1086. [19:01] <Infamy> dril doesn't have recovery though
  1087. [19:01] <@Mambo> and it was cool af
  1088. [19:01] <%QuoteCS> otherwise it doesn't live hits, lol
  1089. [19:01] <FiendHound> Blikje: is runs evio or LO usually. sometimes scarf
  1090. [19:01] <Infamy> so it gets worn down
  1091. [19:01] <Blikje> phew otherwise we weren't going to get 6 eviolites
  1092. [19:01] <cityfolk> we have pump for spinblocking tho
  1093. [19:02] <cityfolk> so it doesnt have to come in that often
  1094. [19:02] <Infamy> PROTIP: if you don't know what to run on a mon in lc, just slap eviolite on that bitch
  1095. 01[19:02] <+Yagura> Mambo pm
  1096. [19:02] <FiendHound> Quote bj takes 3 moderately powerful neutral hits usually
  1097. [19:02] <cityfolk> to set up sr again
  1098. [19:02] <user_zf> are we still running hippo?
  1099. [19:02] <cityfolk> mienfoo can only 3hko drilbur
  1100. [19:02] <cityfolk> iirc
  1101. [19:02] <cityfolk> evio dril
  1102. [19:02] <+Aerow> SD drilbur with BJ is legit js
  1103. [19:02] <cityfolk> ^
  1104. 01[19:02] <+Yagura> only sd
  1105. [19:02] <cityfolk> n user zf
  1106. 01[19:02] <+Yagura> imo
  1107. [19:02] <%QuoteCS> I like evio because it can usually take an SE hit that isn't overly strong
  1108. [19:02] <cityfolk> were discussing maybe dril
  1109. [19:02] <cityfolk> evio takes chou scald quote
  1110. [19:02] <+Aerow> im not sure how normal drilbur is with BJ
  1111. [19:02] <cityfolk> and can still successfully spin or severely weaken
  1112. [19:03] <FiendHound> evio is usually better ya
  1113. 01[19:03] <+Yagura> FREE THICK FAT HIPPOPOTAS
  1114. 03[19:03] * santa sets mode: +o Yagura
  1115. 02[19:03] * @apt-get (bianc@is.my.waifu) Quit (Ping timeout: 187 seconds)
  1116. 01[19:03] <@Yagura> cute,, thanks
  1117. [19:03] <%Hawkstar> what's going on here tbh
  1118. [19:03] <user_zf> i have a problem with drilbur
  1119. [19:03] <%QuoteCS> that's what I mean cityfolk
  1120. 01[19:03] <@Yagura> teambuilding workshop Hawkstar
  1121. [19:03] <%QuoteCS> That is exactly the example I use
  1122. [19:03] <user_zf> yes, it spins
  1123. [19:03] <%Hawkstar> this place is supposed to be dead
  1124. [19:03] <%Hawkstar> ah ok
  1125. [19:03] <user_zf> but it doesn't rly check what we're weak to
  1126. [19:03] <cityfolk> ty quote
  1127. [19:03] <@Mambo> yeah dunt get used to it Hawkstar
  1128. [19:04] <cityfolk> dril checks nonscarf chou
  1129. 01[19:04] <@Yagura> hmm
  1130. 01[19:04] <@Yagura> guys
  1131. [19:04] <cityfolk> and scarfchou is kinda rare and bad
  1132. [19:04] <FiendHound> eh
  1133. 01[19:04] <@Yagura> did anyone try
  1134. 01[19:04] <@Yagura> bulky fast drilbur?
  1135. [19:04] <cityfolk> yes
  1136. [19:04] <+Aerow> scarfchou is great
  1137. [19:04] <FiendHound> evio can tank from full
  1138. [19:04] <cityfolk> i use bulkyfast
  1139. [19:04] <Infamy> 36 hp 236 atk 212+ spe?
  1140. [19:04] <@Mambo> imo slow 14 speed drilbur
  1141. [19:04] <@Mambo> the lord
  1142. [19:04] <Infamy> is that the spread yagura
  1143. 01[19:04] <@Yagura> idk
  1144. [19:04] <+Aerow> then i would rather use sandshrew mambo
  1145. [19:04] <FiendHound> no
  1146. [19:04] <user_zf> drilbur doesn't even spin reliably in this meta tho
  1147. 01[19:04] <@Yagura> we didn't even choose
  1148. [19:04] <cityfolk> 36 hp/116 def/76 spdef/212+ speed
  1149. [19:04] <+Aerow> sandshrew > slow drilbur
  1150. [19:04] <FiendHound> it runs less attack
  1151. 01[19:04] <@Yagura> if we'll be using
  1152. 01[19:04] <@Yagura> drilbur or not
  1153. [19:05] <@Mambo> oh did sandshrew get mold breaker Aerow?
  1154. [19:05] <@Mambo> no
  1155. [19:05] <@Mambo> it didnt
  1156. 01[19:05] <@Yagura> n
  1157. [19:05] <cityfolk> or 76 atk over 36 hp
  1158. [19:05] <cityfolk> whichever
  1159. [19:05] <@Heysup> is ps lagging
  1160. [19:05] <user_zf> shrew has koff
  1161. [19:05] <+Aerow> it gets knock off, and has way more physical bulk
  1162. [19:05] <@Heysup> for anyone else
  1163. [19:05] <cityfolk> shrew dies to most scalds tho
  1164. [19:05] <+Aerow> thats more important than mold breaker tbf
  1165. [19:05] <user_zf> shrew>dril for spinning
  1166. [19:05] <cityfolk> and foong giga drain wreks it harde
  1167. [19:05] <cityfolk> harder*
  1168. [19:05] <FiendHound> sorta Heysup
  1169. [19:05] <cityfolk> but dril is faster and can spin on stuff like chou
  1170. [19:05] <user_zf> SD shrew can beat pump tho
  1171. 01[19:05] <@Yagura> 76 Atk / 124 Def / 76 SpD / 212 Spe ?
  1172. [19:05] <user_zf> drilbur loses
  1173. [19:05] <cityfolk> bullet seed
  1174. [19:06] <cityfolk> and will o wisp
  1175. [19:06] <cityfolk> zf
  1176. [19:06] <%QuoteCS> I don't have issues reliably spinning with drilbur
  1177. [19:06] <user_zf> +2 knock off
  1178. 01[19:06] <@Yagura> ok
  1179. [19:06] <cityfolk> 116 def yagura
  1180. 01[19:06] <@Yagura> I got something in mind
  1181. 01[19:06] <@Yagura> that sounds crazy
  1182. [19:06] <+Aerow> go for shrew imo
  1183. 01[19:06] <@Yagura> scarf drilbur
  1184. [19:06] <cityfolk> no
  1185. [19:06] <cityfolk> imo
  1186. [19:06] <user_zf> nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
  1187. [19:06] <@Mambo> that doesnt fit
  1188. [19:06] <@Mambo> at all
  1189. [19:06] <@Mambo> lol
  1190. [19:06] <+Aerow> no
  1191. [19:06] <@Mambo> yaguretarded
  1192. [19:06] <@Mambo> imo
  1193. [19:07] <+Aerow> what do we have atm
  1194. [19:07] <+Aerow> skrelp / pump ?
  1195. 01[19:07] <@Yagura> dambo
  1196. [19:07] <@Mambo> and pony
  1197. [19:07] <@Mambo> oh dambo
  1198. [19:07] <@Mambo> good one
  1199. [19:07] <+Aerow> dumbo
  1200. [19:07] <@Mambo> rip $wagura, long live yaguretarded
  1201. [19:07] <user_zf> skrelp/pump/pony aerow
  1202. [19:07] <FiendHound> Aerow: pony skrelp pump
  1203. [19:07] <+Aerow> ok
  1204. 01[19:07] <@Yagura> ok enough being kids
  1205. [19:07] <FiendHound> gdi zf
  1206. [19:08] <%QuoteCS> ha
  1207. [19:08] <cityfolk> dril > hippo y/n
  1208. [19:08] <@Mambo> hey yur the one who said scarf drilbur
  1209. [19:08] <cityfolk> y
  1210. 02[19:08] * IFM (~IFM@DD583556.4E023A75.C6F28F2C.IP) Quit (Quit: )
  1211. [19:08] <user_zf> hippo imo
  1212. [19:08] <+Aerow> go shrew
  1213. 01[19:08] <@Yagura> screw standard stuff
  1214. [19:08] <Infamy> i vote hippo but idrc
  1215. 01[19:08] <@Yagura> let's run bulky drilbur
  1216. [19:08] <user_zf> or shrew
  1217. [19:08] <cityfolk> bulky fast drilbur imo
  1218. 01[19:08] <@Yagura> yea
  1219. [19:08] <cityfolk> not shrew
  1220. 01[19:08] <@Yagura> 76 Atk / 116Def / 76 SpD / 212 Spe
  1221. [19:08] <FiendHound> I agree with zf
  1222. [19:08] <cityfolk> just makes chou weakness worse
  1223. [19:08] <cityfolk> ^ yag
  1224. 01[19:08] <@Yagura> doesn't
  1225. [19:08] <cityfolk> u can run 36 hp over 76 atk if u want too
  1226. 01[19:09] <@Yagura> eq ohko bj variants?
  1227. [19:09] <cityfolk> dril's does
  1228. [19:09] <FiendHound> um
  1229. [19:09] <cityfolk> idk about shrews
  1230. [19:09] <FiendHound> with that attack idk
  1231. 01[19:09] <@Yagura> that spread is for
  1232. [19:09] <FiendHound> otherwise ya
  1233. 01[19:09] <@Yagura> drilbur cityfolk
  1234. [19:09] <+Aerow> isnt knock off support kinda nice for skrelp
  1235. [19:09] <@Mambo> specs modest abra imo
  1236. [19:09] <@Mambo> 22 spatk
  1237. [19:09] <+Aerow> to wallbreak even more
  1238. [19:09] <@Mambo> the monster
  1239. 01[19:09] <@Yagura> it is Aerow
  1240. [19:09] <Infamy> yeah eq ohkos bj chou
  1241. [19:09] <cityfolk> 76 Atk Mold Breaker Drilbur Earthquake vs. 76 HP / 212+ Def Chinchou: 26-32 (104 - 128%) -- guaranteed OHKO
  1242. [19:09] <FiendHound> for some things like ferro
  1243. 01[19:09] <@Yagura> more than one hour passed
  1244. 01[19:09] <@Yagura> and we're still stuck with
  1245. 01[19:09] <@Yagura> 3 mons
  1246. 01[19:09] <@Yagura> smh
  1247. [19:09] <+Aerow> therefore shrew would fit well
  1248. [19:09] <cityfolk> yeah ik yagura
  1249. [19:10] <cityfolk> that its for dril lol
  1250. 01[19:10] <@Yagura> so what to use now?
  1251. 01[19:10] <@Yagura> hippo? dril? sandshrew?
  1252. [19:10] <cityfolk> drilbur
  1253. [19:10] <FiendHound> okay I am okay with all
  1254. 01[19:10] <@Yagura> like aerow said knock off support is nice
  1255. 01[19:10] <@Yagura> i'm fine with all too
  1256. [19:10] <Blikje> sandshrew seems like it fits the most holes in the team
  1257. [19:10] <user_zf> hippo
  1258. [19:10] <Infamy> i'm fine with all
  1259. [19:10] <cityfolk> sandshrew just makes chou weakness worse
  1260. [19:10] <cityfolk> since slowe + extremely weak to scald
  1261. [19:11] <cityfolk> while drilbur has higher special bulk and can outspeed to kill with eq or just spin
  1262. [19:11] <FiendHound> hippo -> Dril -> shrew are my preferences
  1263. 01[19:11] <@Yagura> bulky drilbur
  1264. [19:11] <user_zf> so we run our own chou
  1265. 01[19:11] <@Yagura> Y/N?
  1266. [19:11] <+Aerow> well
  1267. [19:11] <user_zf> n
  1268. [19:11] <cityfolk> y
  1269. [19:11] <+Aerow> i can see chou being a problem
  1270. 01[19:11] <@Yagura> it is a problem
  1271. [19:11] <+Aerow> i suppose that semi-bulky dril spread could work
  1272. [19:12] <Blikje> so if we run drilbur and not shrew what is going to carry knock off that is good against chou?
  1273. [19:12] <cityfolk> timburr
  1274. 01[19:12] <@Yagura> 76 Atk / 116 Def / 76 SpD / 212 Spe?
  1275. [19:12] <FiendHound> yes
  1276. [19:12] <+Aerow> yeah Yagura
  1277. [19:12] <cityfolk> yes yagura
  1278. [19:12] <Infamy> yup
  1279. 01[19:12] <@Yagura> So yeah
  1280. 01[19:12] <@Yagura> BULKY DRILBUR
  1281. [19:12] <cityfolk> timburr wreks chinchou
  1282. 01[19:12] <@Yagura> YOU GUYS FINE WITH THAT?
  1283. [19:12] <cityfolk> yassss
  1284. [19:12] <cityfolk> my suggestion slayed
  1285. [19:12] <+Aerow> i hope thats jolly
  1286. [19:12] <FiendHound> YES WE ARE
  1287. 01[19:12] <@Yagura> it is
  1288. 01[19:12] <@Yagura> jolly
  1289. [19:12] <FiendHound> it is
  1290. 01[19:13] <@Yagura> so yea
  1291. 01[19:13] <@Yagura> rock slide eq
  1292. 01[19:13] <@Yagura> spin
  1293. 01[19:13] <@Yagura> and?
  1294. [19:13] <Infamy> so eq/spin/rocks/rock slide ?
  1295. 01[19:13] <@Yagura> rocks? jab?
  1296. [19:13] <+Aerow> rocks
  1297. 01[19:13] <@Yagura> ok
  1298. [19:13] <FiendHound> rocks ya
  1299. [19:13] <Infamy> yeah rocks
  1300. 01[19:13] <@Yagura> EQ/Slide/Spin/rocks
  1301. [19:13] <cityfolk> rocks > jab
  1302. 01[19:13] <@Yagura> is it fine?
  1303. [19:13] <cityfolk> yes
  1304. [19:13] <+Aerow> rock tomb if real
  1305. 01[19:13] <@Yagura> man
  1306. 01[19:13] <@Yagura> i wish we had
  1307. [19:13] <cityfolk> remember the rock tomb archen meta
  1308. [19:13] <cityfolk> tbt
  1309. 01[19:13] <@Yagura> thick fat hippo
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  1312. 01[19:13] <@Yagura> that thing is fat
  1313. 01[19:13] <@Yagura> ;-;
  1314. 01[19:13] <@Yagura> it'd fit well
  1315. 01[19:14] <@Yagura> ok
  1316. [19:14] <cityfolk> only weak to water and grass
  1317. 01[19:14] <@Yagura> So we're done with drilbur?
  1318. [19:14] <cityfolk> fuckin slay
  1319. [19:14] <+Aerow> water absorb hippo
  1320. [19:14] <cityfolk> yes yagura imo
  1321. 01[19:14] <@Yagura> anyone have a problem with it?
  1322. [19:14] <user_zf> that drilbur is never going to spin against any pump team
  1323. [19:14] <cityfolk> timburr murders pump user_zf
  1324. [19:14] <user_zf> which is my problem with it
  1325. [19:14] <cityfolk> timburr for next mon imo
  1326. [19:14] <cityfolk> fills a lot of holes
  1327. [19:14] <cityfolk> we only have 1 form of prio
  1328. [19:14] <Infamy> timburr does seem good yeah
  1329. [19:14] <cityfolk> no knock off
  1330. [19:14] <user_zf> timburr makes us even more fletch weak
  1331. 01[19:15] <@Yagura> ^
  1332. [19:15] <user_zf> we have 0 checks atm
  1333. [19:15] <FiendHound> should we slap on an abra to wall break
  1334. [19:15] <cityfolk> true
  1335. [19:15] <cityfolk> pony user_zf
  1336. 01[19:15] <@Yagura> heck even pawn seems fine to me
  1337. [19:15] <cityfolk> eviopawn
  1338. [19:15] <cityfolk> would be best
  1339. [19:16] <user_zf> +2 196+ Atk Fletchling Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 236+ Def Eviolite Ponyta: 16-19 (76.1 - 90.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
  1340. [19:16] <user_zf> not a check
  1341. [19:16] <user_zf> since we can't remove SR reliably
  1342. 01[19:16] <@Yagura> Btw everyone
  1343. 01[19:16] <@Yagura> http://pastebin.com/tm8LR5f0
  1344. 01[19:16] <@Yagura> that's the team so far
  1345. 01[19:16] <@Yagura> if i missed something
  1346. 01[19:16] <@Yagura> let me know
  1347. 01[19:16] <@Yagura> i'll be editing that pbin
  1348. [19:16] <+Aerow> wow no nickname on skrelp ;;;;
  1349. 01[19:16] <@Yagura> with everything we add
  1350. [19:17] <user_zf> tbh I think we're going about this the wrong way
  1351. [19:17] <cityfolk> ponys 4th move varies
  1352. [19:17] <cityfolk> yagura
  1353. 01[19:17] <@Yagura> it does cityfolk
  1354. [19:17] <%QuoteCS> tbf, +2 fletch beats most of the meta
  1355. 01[19:17] <@Yagura> i'll just slash it
  1356. [19:17] <cityfolk> kk
  1357. [19:17] <Blikje> how are not all the mons nicknamed Aerow
  1358. [19:17] <cityfolk> nosepass for 6th mon
  1359. [19:17] <cityfolk> imo
  1360. [19:17] <+Aerow> probs an error Blikje
  1361. [19:17] <cityfolk> 5th*
  1362. [19:17] <cityfolk> for fletch check
  1363. [19:17] <%QuoteCS> because get off aerow's dick <3
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  1365. 03[19:17] * Cerberus sets mode: +o apt-get
  1366. [19:17] <+Aerow> wow quote
  1367. [19:18] <Blikje> that's just rude
  1368. [19:18] <cityfolk> who tf is blikje
  1369. [19:18] <Blikje> noone
  1370. [19:18] <cityfolk> sage >
  1371. [19:18] <cityfolk> ?
  1372. [19:18] <Infamy> i would assume that blikje is blikje
  1373. [19:18] <Infamy> but that's just me
  1374. [19:18] <cityfolk> funny
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  1376. [19:18] <cityfolk> anyway
  1377. [19:18] <Infamy> ikr
  1378. [19:18] <cityfolk> we need a 5th
  1379. [19:18] <@Mambo> cityfolk: he's a user trying to use this as a means of getting better
  1380. [19:18] <cityfolk> i suggested timburr but we are now fletch weak
  1381. [19:18] <@Mambo> dunt be a douche
  1382. 01[19:18] <@Yagura> am i the only one
  1383. [19:18] <Infamy> we need a fletch check and a chou check
  1384. 01[19:18] <@Yagura> finding
  1385. [19:18] <Infamy> so how about chou
  1386. [19:18] <@Mambo> tyrunt for life
  1387. [19:18] <cityfolk> chou
  1388. 01[19:18] <@Yagura> chinchou fitting?
  1389. [19:18] <cityfolk> actually sounds good
  1390. [19:19] <cityfolk> lol
  1391. [19:19] <user_zf> chinchou
  1392. [19:19] <user_zf> evio chou
  1393. 01[19:19] <@Yagura> makes us
  1394. [19:19] <cityfolk> n
  1395. [19:19] <cityfolk> bj
  1396. 01[19:19] <@Yagura> too ground weak tho
  1397. [19:19] <user_zf> y
  1398. [19:19] <Infamy> yeah but does mean bigger ground weakness
  1399. 01[19:19] <@Yagura> but we still have the sixth mon
  1400. 01[19:19] <@Yagura> :o
  1401. [19:19] <user_zf> pump is THE ground check
  1402. [19:19] <user_zf> literally
  1403. 01[19:19] <@Yagura> >only one
  1404. [19:19] <user_zf> it is the best
  1405. 01[19:19] <@Yagura> >3 mons weak to ground
  1406. [19:19] <Infamy> but we could replace dril with defensive arch to give a ground immune
  1407. [19:19] <FiendHound> chinchou is best bet. Or we can run porygon. Or goldeen
  1408. [19:19] <cityfolk> cottonee resists ground, electric, water, and has knock off
  1409. [19:19] <user_zf> or hippo
  1410. [19:19] <user_zf> hippo is a ground check too
  1411. [19:20] <user_zf> and fletch check
  1412. [19:20] <cityfolk> how is hippo a ground check
  1413. [19:20] <user_zf> and fighting check
  1414. [19:20] <cityfolk> also set up bait for timburr
  1415. [19:20] <FiendHound> city look at its bulk
  1416. [19:20] <user_zf> it doesn't die after sr to +2 acro
  1417. [19:20] <cityfolk> and mienfoo can u turn out
  1418. [19:20] <user_zf> 25 / 18 physical bulk is insane
  1419. [19:20] <FiendHound> whirlwind cityfolk. it says fuck bu timburr
  1420. 01[19:20] <@Yagura> wait
  1421. 01[19:20] <@Yagura> so you guys now
  1422. 01[19:20] <@Yagura> want to use
  1423. 01[19:20] <@Yagura> hippo?
  1424. [19:20] <user_zf> y
  1425. 01[19:20] <@Yagura> over drilbur?
  1426. [19:21] <cityfolk> n
  1427. [19:21] <cityfolk> gross
  1428. [19:21] <Infamy> i want to use defensive arch but yeah drilbur isn't helping
  1429. 01[19:21] <@Yagura> i've literally asked you several times
  1430. [19:21] <user_zf> hippo does something for the team tho
  1431. 01[19:21] <@Yagura> and you were like
  1432. 01[19:21] <@Yagura> yyyyyyyyyyyyy
  1433. 01[19:21] <@Yagura> bunch of kids
  1434. [19:21] <user_zf> bulky dril can't spin
  1435. 01[19:21] <@Yagura> ;_;
  1436. [19:21] <Infamy> defensive arch can do everything dril can and gives us ground check
  1437. 01[19:21] <@Yagura> how can't it spin?
  1438. [19:21] <user_zf> i've been campaigning for hippo this whole time
  1439. [19:21] <+Aerow> time to use strawpoll imo
  1440. [19:21] <@Mambo> cough defog
  1441. [19:21] <user_zf> pump blocks it
  1442. [19:21] <user_zf> any team with SR+pump
  1443. [19:22] <cityfolk> defog arch is begging for pawn to come in
  1444. [19:22] <@Mambo> itemless archen with taunt gives us hazard control and knock off absorber
  1445. [19:22] <@Mambo> js
  1446. 01[19:22] <@Yagura> ok
  1447. 01[19:22] <@Yagura> give me a sec
  1448. 01[19:22] <@Yagura> i'll do a strawpoll
  1449. [19:22] <FiendHound> hippo + archen + chinchou is what you are suggesting zf?
  1450. 02[19:22] * @Mambo (Mibbit@synIRC-98C040CC.ph.ph.cox.net) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  1451. [19:22] <user_zf> y
  1452. [19:22] <FiendHound> er fizz
  1453. [19:22] <cityfolk> hippo and archen?
  1454. [19:22] <Infamy> rip
  1455. [19:22] <user_zf> or something>archen
  1456. [19:22] <cityfolk> imo one or the other
  1457. [19:22] <cityfolk> or evio archen
  1458. [19:22] <cityfolk> w roost
  1459. [19:22] <cityfolk> roost/defog/acro?/idk
  1460. [19:23] <cityfolk> fletch check, ground immune
  1461. [19:23] <FiendHound> k off
  1462. [19:23] <user_zf> roost defog eq rock stab
  1463. [19:23] <Infamy> yeah evio arch can defog, recover, give ground immune
  1464. [19:23] <Infamy> check flying
  1465. [19:23] <cityfolk> i like acro + eq
  1466. [19:23] <+Aerow> wow mambo left
  1467. 01[19:23] <@Yagura> http://strawpoll.me/3089568
  1468. [19:23] <+Aerow> bad host yn
  1469. [19:23] <cityfolk> so pawn cant switch in easy
  1470. 01[19:23] <@Yagura> i'll check after
  1471. 01[19:23] <@Yagura> one min
  1472. 01[19:23] <@Yagura> and aerow i'm still here bb
  1473. [19:24] <+Aerow> we will probs get a three-way tie :]
  1474. [19:24] <cityfolk> n
  1475. [19:24] <+Aerow> wait drilbur is pulling through nvm
  1476. [19:24] <cityfolk> dril in the lead
  1477. [19:24] <cityfolk> wow
  1478. 01[19:24] <@Yagura> ok
  1479. 01[19:24] <@Yagura> dril won
  1480. 01[19:24] <@Yagura> let's pass
  1481. [19:24] <user_zf> Drilbur can't spin
  1482. 01[19:24] <@Yagura> how can't it spin?
  1483. [19:24] <cityfolk> dril can spin
  1484. [19:24] <cityfolk> wtf r u saying
  1485. 01[19:24] <@Yagura> smh
  1486. [19:24] <user_zf> it's killing me on the inside
  1487. 01[19:24] <@Yagura> oh
  1488. [19:24] <user_zf> you can't beat the most popular spinblocker
  1489. 01[19:24] <@Yagura> so you have bad experience with it?
  1490. 01[19:25] <@Yagura> isn't that
  1491. [19:25] <user_zf> n
  1492. 01[19:25] <@Yagura> every spinner's problem?
  1493. 01[19:25] <@Yagura> that it has a spinblocker?
  1494. [19:25] <user_zf> y
  1495. [19:25] <cityfolk> we have pony for pump tho
  1496. 01[19:25] <@Yagura> that it can't deal with?
  1497. [19:25] <Infamy> yeah archen can defog against pawn because it has eq
  1498. [19:25] <user_zf> but drilbur was cool b/c it could beat all the spinblockers
  1499. [19:25] <cityfolk> and pump works for gastly
  1500. [19:25] <user_zf> now it can't
  1501. 01[19:25] <@Yagura> doesn't sucker
  1502. 01[19:25] <@Yagura> ohko normal chen
  1503. 01[19:25] <@Yagura> at +2?
  1504. [19:25] <Infamy> you have roost
  1505. [19:25] <cityfolk> whos sucker
  1506. [19:25] <cityfolk> ?
  1507. [19:25] <FiendHound> yes
  1508. 01[19:25] <@Yagura> sucker from pawn
  1509. 01[19:26] <@Yagura> so yea
  1510. 01[19:26] <@Yagura> let's just pass
  1511. [19:26] <cityfolk> lo pawn sucker ko's archen
  1512. [19:26] <FiendHound> but eq makes it risky
  1513. [19:26] <cityfolk> after rock
  1514. 01[19:26] <@Yagura> to the fifth mon
  1515. 01[19:26] <@Yagura> it's the opposite
  1516. 01[19:26] <@Yagura> it makes it
  1517. 01[19:26] <@Yagura> predictable
  1518. [19:26] <@apt-get> <user_zf> now it can't
  1519. [19:26] <@apt-get> shadow claw
  1520. [19:26] <@apt-get> exists
  1521. 01[19:26] <@Yagura> doesn't 2hko
  1522. [19:26] <user_zf> but they want a bulky set
  1523. [19:26] <FiendHound> you predict defog but I eq
  1524. 01[19:26] <@Yagura> and it's a bulky set
  1525. [19:26] <FiendHound> ??
  1526. [19:26] <user_zf> with no atk investment
  1527. 01[19:26] <@Yagura> oh
  1528. 01[19:26] <@Yagura> so you're talking about
  1529. [19:26] <user_zf> apt-get
  1530. 01[19:26] <@Yagura> before the defog
  1531. 01[19:26] <@Yagura> smh
  1532. [19:26] <FiendHound> ya
  1533. [19:27] <@apt-get> oh
  1534. [19:27] <user_zf> so it can't spin
  1535. [19:27] <Infamy> arch at least has a chance to beat its blocker, drilbur doesn't
  1536. [19:27] <user_zf> so why run that set
  1537. [19:27] <@apt-get> non max attack drilbur kinda sucks :(
  1538. [19:27] <FiendHound> it has 76 investment
  1539. [19:27] <user_zf> exactly
  1540. 01[19:27] <@Yagura> we don't really need
  1541. 01[19:27] <@Yagura> the attack
  1542. [19:27] <FiendHound> but that still is piss weak
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  1544. 01[19:27] <@Yagura> we didn't run drilbur for its attack
  1545. 01[19:27] <@Yagura> iSunny smells
  1546. [19:27] <cityfolk> we have pony for pump
  1547. [19:27] <cityfolk> and skrelps sludge wave hits pump hard
  1548. 01[19:27] <@Yagura> what city said
  1549. 01[19:27] <@Yagura> and we still have
  1550. 01[19:27] <@Yagura> 2 mons left
  1551. [19:27] <user_zf> drilbur is run for spin support
  1552. [19:27] <cityfolk> ^
  1553. [19:28] <user_zf> if it can't spin reliably
  1554. 01[19:28] <@Yagura> so yea
  1555. 01[19:28] <@Yagura> fifth mon?
  1556. [19:28] <cityfolk> we can always use evio pawn
  1557. [19:28] <user_zf> use a different mon/set
  1558. [19:28] <cityfolk> to help w fletch
  1559. 01[19:28] <@Yagura> something that check chou and fletch?
  1560. [19:28] <cityfolk> and vs pumpkaboo
  1561. [19:28] <%Electrolyte> what's new in the LC realm
  1562. [19:28] <%Electrolyte> anything at all
  1563. [19:28] <iSunny> how's the teambuilding going on atm
  1564. [19:28] <Coconut> We're teambuilding atm
  1565. 01[19:28] <@Yagura> http://pastebin.com/tm8LR5f0
  1566. 01[19:28] <@Yagura> iSunny
  1567. 01[19:28] <@Yagura> that's what we've got
  1568. 01[19:28] <@Yagura> so far
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  1570. 01[19:28] <@Yagura> Electrolyte there is pumpkaboo that got
  1571. 01[19:28] <@Yagura> synthesis
  1572. 01[19:28] <@Yagura> and more
  1573. 01[19:28] <@Yagura> give me a sec
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  1575. [19:29] <%Electrolyte> holy fucking shit!!!!
  1576. [19:29] <FiendHound> pancham is now good
  1577. [19:29] <Coconut> I didn't know electrolyte still played LC
  1578. 01[19:29] <@Yagura> http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/oras-lc-new-moves-and-abilities-discussion.3520001/
  1579. [19:29] <iSunny> shit i had some stuff to do :s
  1580. 01[19:29] <@Yagura> yea
  1581. 01[19:29] <@Yagura> what next?
  1582. [19:29] <%Electrolyte> i don't
  1583. [19:29] <FiendHound> and skrelp has adapt
  1584. [19:29] <%Electrolyte> I was being sarcastic :s
  1585. [19:29] <iSunny> elyte :D
  1586. [19:29] <FiendHound> lo ferro is now legit to
  1587. [19:29] <cityfolk> pancham isnt tht goo
  1588. [19:29] <cityfolk> good*
  1589. [19:29] <cityfolk> still severely outclassed by foo imo
  1590. 01[19:29] <@Yagura> it isn't
  1591. 01[19:29] <@Yagura> ?___?
  1592. [19:29] <cityfolk> imo
  1593. 01[19:29] <@Yagura> pancham 2hkos spritzee
  1594. 01[19:29] <@Yagura> with gunk shot
  1595. 01[19:29] <@Yagura> even without rocks up
  1596. [19:29] <Infamy> ^
  1597. [19:30] <Coconut> mfw sunnybeam pony w/o beam
  1598. [19:30] <cityfolk> no regen tho
  1599. [19:30] <Coconut> what did I miss
  1600. [19:30] <iSunny> pancham is just great in oras imo
  1601. [19:30] <Infamy> too bad adam isn't here to yell at city lol
  1602. 01[19:30] <@Yagura> so yea
  1603. [19:30] <cityfolk> kk
  1604. 01[19:30] <@Yagura> FIFTH MON EVERYONE?
  1605. [19:30] <cityfolk> evio pawn
  1606. [19:30] <cityfolk> solves pump and fletch prob
  1607. [19:30] <Infamy> chou stops chou and fletch
  1608. [19:30] <FiendHound> Coconut, sunny beam without beam is sorta standard
  1609. [19:30] <Coconut> Timburr
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  1611. 01[19:30] <@Yagura> i'm down with pawn
  1612. 01[19:30] <@Yagura> that rhymes man
  1613. [19:30] <Coconut> soft rhyme
  1614. 01[19:31] <@Yagura> ok
  1615. 01[19:31] <@Yagura> so what do you guys think?
  1616. 01[19:31] <@Yagura> that will leave us wih
  1617. 01[19:31] <@Yagura> with*
  1618. [19:31] <cityfolk> maybe timburr and eviopawn
  1619. 01[19:31] <@Yagura> THREE mons
  1620. 01[19:31] <@Yagura> weak to ground
  1621. [19:31] <cityfolk> 2 knock off mons
  1622. [19:31] <cityfolk> that solve the holes
  1623. [19:31] <@apt-get> team rn?
  1624. [19:31] <Infamy> that's why we should run archen over dril
  1625. [19:31] <cityfolk> maybe not timburr
  1626. 01[19:31] <@Yagura> http://pastebin.com/tm8LR5f0
  1627. 01[19:31] <@Yagura> apt-get^
  1628. [19:31] <user_zf> archen doesn't solve the ground weakness tho
  1629. [19:32] <FiendHound> you only /need/ 1 unless you have a slightly to weak win con
  1630. [19:32] <user_zf> b/c drilbur just rock slides
  1631. 01[19:32] <@Yagura> we've got pumpkin but
  1632. 01[19:32] <@Yagura> idt it's enough
  1633. [19:32] <cityfolk> vullaby ?
  1634. [19:32] <@apt-get> huge fletch weakness
  1635. 01[19:32] <@Yagura> that's way
  1636. [19:32] <cityfolk> vullaby kinda checks fletch
  1637. [19:32] <user_zf> exactly
  1638. 01[19:32] <@Yagura> we're looking for
  1639. [19:32] <cityfolk> and knock off support
  1640. 01[19:32] <@Yagura> a fletch check
  1641. [19:32] <cityfolk> ground immune
  1642. [19:32] <FiendHound> just because fizz was leadingthis
  1643. [19:32] <%Electrolyte> pancham 2HKOs spritzee?
  1644. 01[19:32] <@Yagura> idt vullaby checks fletch
  1645. [19:32] <cityfolk> drilbur rock slide only 3hkos vullaby
  1646. [19:32] <Infamy> vull could be fun
  1647. [19:32] <FiendHound> what about nincada
  1648. [19:32] <%Electrolyte> wait I really want to know how
  1649. 01[19:32] <@Yagura> yea elyte
  1650. 01[19:32] <@Yagura> gunk shot
  1651. [19:32] <@apt-get> Electrolyte: gunk shot
  1652. [19:32] <FiendHound> gunk
  1653. [19:32] <%Electrolyte> oh shit
  1654. [19:32] <@apt-get> also LYYYYYYYTE
  1655. [19:33] <%Electrolyte> hi apt-get :)
  1656. [19:33] <%Electrolyte> surprised to see you're still in this hellhole
  1657. [19:33] <%Electrolyte> stable staple
  1658. [19:33] <@apt-get> tsukihi best girl
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  1660. 01[19:33] <@Yagura> so yea
  1661. 01[19:33] <@Yagura> i think
  1662. 01[19:33] <@Yagura> pawn is fine
  1663. 01[19:33] <@Yagura> but we'll be forced to run
  1664. 01[19:33] <@Yagura> something for ground types
  1665. [19:34] <FiendHound> lileep!
  1666. 01[19:34] <@Yagura> n
  1667. 03[19:34] * apt-get sets mode: +o Electrolyte
  1668. 01[19:34] <@Yagura> o
  1669. [19:34] <cityfolk> foong ???
  1670. [19:34] <cityfolk> kinda fire weak then
  1671. [19:34] <FiendHound> no city
  1672. [19:34] <Infamy> vullaby is good imo
  1673. [19:34] <cityfolk> vullaby and pawn
  1674. [19:34] <cityfolk> mayb
  1675. [19:34] <cityfolk> kinda abra weak imo
  1676. [19:34] <FiendHound> so
  1677. 01[19:34] <@Yagura> we are abra weak
  1678. [19:35] <FiendHound> Lileep!
  1679. 01[19:35] <@Yagura> fiend stop pls
  1680. [19:35] <cityfolk> but what isnt
  1681. 01[19:35] <@Yagura> ;;
  1682. [19:35] <cityfolk> abra weak
  1683. [19:35] <cityfolk> lol
  1684. [19:35] <Infamy> we have pawn with sucker and pump with sneak
  1685. [19:35] <Infamy> not that abra weak
  1686. 01[19:35] <@Yagura> you'll be forced to sack something
  1687. 01[19:35] <@Yagura> but yea
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  1689. 01[19:35] <@Yagura> heck
  1690. 01[19:35] <@Yagura> idt
  1691. 01[19:35] <@Yagura> sball 2hkos
  1692. [19:35] <FiendHound> we can have lileep to handle abra
  1693. 01[19:35] <@Yagura> the spread of pumkin
  1694. [19:35] <FiendHound> js
  1695. [19:35] <cityfolk> sball abra
  1696. [19:35] <cityfolk> lol
  1697. 01[19:35] <@Yagura> exactly
  1698. 01[19:35] <@Yagura> and it isn't even used
  1699. [19:35] <Blikje> so what is the spread on pawn?
  1700. 01[19:36] <@Yagura> we didn't even agree on pawn yet
  1701. 01[19:36] <@Yagura> js
  1702. 01[19:36] <@Yagura> but yeah
  1703. 01[19:36] <@Yagura> i'm down with pawn
  1704. [19:36] <cityfolk> eviopawn is a god
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  1706. [19:36] <Infamy> EVs: 156 Atk / 36 Def / 116 SpD / 196 Spe imo for pawn spread
  1707. 01[19:36] <@Yagura> so yeah
  1708. 01[19:36] <@Yagura> you guys are fine with pawn?
  1709. [19:36] <Infamy> yeah pawn is fun
  1710. 01[19:37] <@Yagura> ok
  1711. 01[19:37] <@Yagura> i'm fine with infamy's spread
  1712. 01[19:37] <@Yagura> thoughts?
  1713. [19:37] <+Aerow> where are we now
  1714. 01[19:37] <@Yagura> http://pastebin.com/tm8LR5f0
  1715. 01[19:37] <@Yagura> and pawn
  1716. [19:37] <+Aerow> ok ty
  1717. [19:37] <FiendHound> what nature. jolly correct?
  1718. [19:38] <cityfolk> yes
  1719. 01[19:38] <@Yagura> yea
  1720. 01[19:38] <@Yagura> and you guys
  1721. 01[19:38] <@Yagura> are fine with the spread
  1722. [19:38] <cityfolk> sd/sucker/iron head/koff
  1723. [19:38] <Infamy> yeah jolly
  1724. 01[19:38] <@Yagura> given by Infamy?
  1725. [19:38] <Infamy> i'm fine with the spread given by infamy tbh
  1726. [19:38] <cityfolk> y
  1727. [19:38] <cityfolk> and my moveset is standard pawn
  1728. 01[19:38] <@Yagura> how about the rest?
  1729. [19:38] <FiendHound> yes i am
  1730. 01[19:39] <@Yagura> ok
  1731. 01[19:39] <@Yagura> i think
  1732. 01[19:39] <@Yagura> koff
  1733. 01[19:39] <@Yagura> sucker
  1734. 01[19:39] <@Yagura> iron head
  1735. 01[19:39] <@Yagura> sd?
  1736. 01[19:39] <@Yagura> or brick break?
  1737. [19:39] <+Aerow> ye
  1738. [19:39] <cityfolk> sd
  1739. [19:39] <+Aerow> sd
  1740. 01[19:39] <@Yagura> ok
  1741. [19:39] <Infamy> sd is better
  1742. [19:39] <Infamy> gives us wincon and we dont have problems w/ opposing pawn anyway
  1743. 01[19:40] <@Yagura> http://pastebin.com/tm8LR5f0
  1744. 01[19:40] <@Yagura> team updated
  1745. 01[19:40] <@Yagura> anyways
  1746. 01[19:40] <@Yagura> LAST SLOT
  1747. 01[19:40] <@Yagura> SOMETHING THAT DEALS WITH GROUND TYPES
  1748. [19:40] <cityfolk> magenmite
  1749. [19:40] <Infamy> so a bird or bronzor prolly
  1750. [19:40] <cityfolk> ekans
  1751. [19:41] <+Aerow> doesnt pump deal with ground types
  1752. [19:41] <cityfolk> we have 3 weaknesses
  1753. [19:41] <cityfolk> we need more than 1 check
  1754. [19:41] <Infamy> yeah but secondary check because we have so many weaks
  1755. [19:43] <cityfolk> vullaby
  1756. [19:43] <Infamy> i'm cool with vullaby
  1757. [19:43] <Blikje> so what does the team do against chou?
  1758. [19:44] <Jetpack> we already have pumpk tho
  1759. [19:44] <Infamy> forfeit
  1760. [19:44] <+Aerow> with vulla you wouldnt really need dril tho
  1761. [19:44] <cityfolk> then no defog
  1762. [19:44] <Blikje> forfeiting by default against one of the most popular mons in the meta atm seems like a great idea
  1763. [19:44] <cityfolk> u turn/koff/bb/roost
  1764. [19:44] <cityfolk> ground immune
  1765. [19:44] <cityfolk> voltturn
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  1767. [19:45] <Infamy> yeah vulla sounds good
  1768. [19:45] <cityfolk> yagura
  1769. [19:45] <Infamy> but we have this spin+defog block core of pumppawn
  1770. [19:45] <+Aerow> weak armor + np vulla if real
  1771. [19:45] <Infamy> so i was thinking maybe we go with tspikes on skrelp?
  1772. [19:45] <Infamy> just an idea
  1773. [19:45] <cityfolk> YAS AEROW
  1774. [19:45] <FiendHound> nah
  1775. 01[19:46] <@Yagura> so yea
  1776. 01[19:46] <@Yagura> vullaby?
  1777. [19:46] <FiendHound> um
  1778. 01[19:47] <@Yagura> and i'm not sure of np
  1779. [19:47] <+Aerow> wanp vulla hype
  1780. 01[19:47] <@Yagura> we already have a win condition
  1781. 01[19:47] <@Yagura> in pawn
  1782. [19:47] <FiendHound> np can be good
  1783. [19:47] <+Aerow> who doesnt want
  1784. [19:47] <+Aerow> two wincons
  1785. [19:47] <FiendHound> but I was thinking of cm sprit
  1786. [19:47] <Coconut> If we're doing Vull, I'd suggest Scarf Vull
  1787. 01[19:47] <@Yagura> i'm fine with scarf
  1788. 01[19:47] <@Yagura> tbh
  1789. [19:48] <Infamy> scarf vull is really cool
  1790. [19:48] <Infamy> would be fun
  1791. [19:48] <FiendHound> we'd still lose to ice beam chou
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  1793. [19:48] <cityfolk> um
  1794. [19:48] <cityfolk> evio
  1795. [19:48] <FiendHound> but yeah
  1796. [19:48] <cityfolk> for dril rock slide
  1797. 01[19:48] <@Yagura> er
  1798. 01[19:48] <@Yagura> FiendHound
  1799. 01[19:48] <@Yagura> thunderbolt tho lol
  1800. [19:48] <FiendHound> hi
  1801. [19:48] <FiendHound> I was thinking ice beam for pump
  1802. [19:49] <FiendHound> wait, we have super
  1803. [19:49] <Infamy> but ice beam chou is only run scarfed
  1804. [19:49] <FiendHound> unless it gets k offed we are barely okay
  1805. [19:49] <Infamy> and scarfchou is really easy to predict around
  1806. 01[19:49] <@Yagura> so what do you choose
  1807. [19:49] <FiendHound> which hits the hardest Infamy
  1808. 01[19:49] <@Yagura> for sixth mon?
  1809. [19:49] <FiendHound> unless agility LO
  1810. [19:49] <FiendHound> I don't quite know.
  1811. [19:49] <cityfolk> "but ice beam chou is only run scarfed"
  1812. [19:49] <cityfolk> um
  1813. [19:49] <cityfolk> no
  1814. [19:49] <+Aerow> why dont we run sunnybeam pony if chou is such a problem
  1815. [19:49] <FiendHound> spritzee seems okay
  1816. [19:50] <Infamy> i kind of want a hazards mon
  1817. [19:50] <cityfolk> drilbur
  1818. [19:50] <Infamy> because we already have pumpawn
  1819. [19:50] <FiendHound> but i don't think there is a perfect answer
  1820. [19:50] <Infamy> yeah more than rocks city
  1821. [19:50] <FiendHound> so vulla can be good
  1822. 01[19:51] <@Yagura> so yea
  1823. 01[19:51] <@Yagura> vullaby for sixth mon?
  1824. 03[19:51] * @Electrolyte (ident@sodium.potassium) has left #littlecup
  1825. [19:51] <FiendHound> sure
  1826. [19:51] <FiendHound> scarf or NP can be cool
  1827. [19:51] <Infamy> yeah idrc
  1828. [19:51] <FiendHound> NP is my preference since
  1829. [19:51] <Infamy> vullaby sounds fun
  1830. [19:51] <FiendHound> it just wins
  1831. [19:52] <Infamy> yeah np vull is really cool mon
  1832. 01[19:52] <@Yagura> which variant?
  1833. 01[19:52] <@Yagura> i'm down with scarf
  1834. [19:53] <Infamy> i give zero fucks either way, both are cool
  1835. 01[19:53] <@Yagura> so what do you think?
  1836. [19:53] <cityfolk> scarf has no roost tho
  1837. 01[19:53] <@Yagura> don't think it's needed tbh
  1838. [19:53] <FiendHound> I don't rlly care. if I had to chose np tho
  1839. 01[19:53] <@Yagura> something like
  1840. [19:53] <Infamy> didn't think np ran roost either
  1841. 01[19:53] <@Yagura> bbird/koff/u-turn/heat wave
  1842. [19:53] <FiendHound> yeah
  1843. 01[19:53] <@Yagura> so yea
  1844. 01[19:53] <@Yagura> ev spread please
  1845. [19:53] <FiendHound> heat wave can be hp fight
  1846. 01[19:54] <@Yagura> yea
  1847. [19:54] <FiendHound> standard scarf
  1848. 01[19:54] <@Yagura> but we got plenty of stuff
  1849. [19:54] <FiendHound> or 14 speed
  1850. 01[19:54] <@Yagura> that deal with pawn
  1851. [19:54] <cityfolk> heat wave also hits mag
  1852. [19:54] <cityfolk> tho
  1853. 01[19:54] <@Yagura> so yea
  1854. 01[19:54] <@Yagura> ev spread?
  1855. [19:54] <Infamy> EVs: 236 Atk / 76 SpA / 196 Spe Naive Nature
  1856. [19:54] <Infamy> stolen from fran
  1857. 01[19:55] <@Yagura> hm
  1858. 01[19:55] <@Yagura> what do the spa evs
  1859. 01[19:55] <@Yagura> do?
  1860. 01[19:55] <@Yagura> do they 2hko something particular?
  1861. [19:55] <Infamy> for heat wave i think
  1862. [19:55] <Infamy> because you can't put them in atk or speed i think they just go there
  1863. [19:55] <FiendHound> EVs: 236 Atk / 76 Def / 76 SpA / 116 Spe Naughty Nature
  1864. [19:55] <cityfolk> heat wave imo
  1865. [19:55] <FiendHound> or something
  1866. [19:55] <FiendHound> w/ heat wave
  1867. 01[19:56] <@Yagura> i prefer naughty too tbh
  1868. 01[19:56] <@Yagura> with 14 speed
  1869. [19:56] <Infamy> yeah that looks good
  1870. 01[19:56] <@Yagura> what do you guys think?
  1871. [19:57] <cityfolk> idk abt the 14 speed thing
  1872. 03[19:57] * Gem (ShineLike@Diamond.Gem) has joined #littlecup
  1873. [19:57] <cityfolk> tie'ing scarfmag helps
  1874. [19:57] <Infamy> 14 speed is all it needs imo
  1875. 03[19:57] * Gem (ShineLike@Diamond.Gem) has left #littlecup
  1876. 01[19:57] <@Yagura> ok
  1877. 01[19:57] <@Yagura> so we're done i guess lol
  1878. 01[19:57] <@Yagura> 2 hours
  1879. 01[19:57] <@Yagura> man
  1880. 01[19:57] <@Yagura> http://pastebin.com/tm8LR5f0
  1881. 01[19:57] <@Yagura> thoughts?
  1882. [19:57] <Infamy> wow that took forever
  1883. 01[19:57] <@Yagura> that's the last version of the team
  1884. [19:57] <Infamy> i think we should run tspikes over icy wind on skrelp
  1885. [19:57] <cityfolk> are u sure abt 14 speed
  1886. [19:58] <Infamy> helps with bulky offense build and we have pumpawn
  1887. 01[19:58] <@Yagura> i prefer icy wind tbh
  1888. 01[19:58] <@Yagura> the speed drop is cool and all
  1889. [19:58] <cityfolk> i agree with tspikes
  1890. 01[19:58] <@Yagura> i don't think
  1891. [19:58] <cityfolk> what does icywind drp tho
  1892. 03[19:58] * Vileman (Mibbit@B0DE5570.B3A208D4.2611CE5A.IP) has joined #littlecup
  1893. 01[19:58] <@Yagura> we'll be benefitting much
  1894. [19:58] <cityfolk> that skrelp couldnt murder w wave or pump
  1895. 01[19:58] <@Yagura> from tspikes
  1896. 01[19:58] <@Yagura> outspeeding some stuff
  1897. 01[19:58] <@Yagura> that it can't outspeed before
  1898. [19:58] <cityfolk> like,,,,
  1899. 01[19:58] <@Yagura> and ko
  1900. [19:59] <%QuoteCS> why would we use tspikes anyway?
  1901. [19:59] <%QuoteCS> We have multiple WoW pokes
  1902. [19:59] <cityfolk> tru
  1903. 01[19:59] <@Yagura> so yea
  1904. 01[19:59] <@Yagura> we all fine with
  1905. [19:59] <cityfolk> no tspikes
  1906. 01[19:59] <@Yagura> the final version?
  1907. [19:59] <cityfolk> if only it had reg spikes
  1908. [19:59] <Infamy> yeah sure
  1909. [19:59] <cityfolk> ;?
  1910. 01[19:59] <@Yagura> ok
  1911. 01[19:59] <@Yagura> that's it i guess
  1912. 01[19:59] <@Yagura> two solid hours lmao
  1913. 01[20:00] <@Yagura> thanks everyone
  1914. [20:00] <Infamy> wow that took forever
  1915. 01[20:00] <@Yagura> and wow
  1916. [20:00] <Jetpack> someone ladder with it and link battle here
  1917. [20:00] <cityfolk> someone chall a good battler
  1918. 01[20:00] <@Yagura> http://puu.sh/daqUh/f7a42b9361.png
  1919. 01[20:00] <@Yagura> and
  1920. [20:00] <+fitzy> team looks
  1921. [20:00] <+fitzy> fletch weak
  1922. [20:00] <%QuoteCS> I can already see offensive archen kinda screwing with this team, but LET'S SEE WHERE THIS GOES, EVERYONE.
  1923. [20:00] <+fitzy> and porygon
  1924. 01[20:00] <@Yagura> http://puu.sh/daqWd/92ef44e04c.png
  1925. 01[20:00] <@Yagura> wow
  1926. [20:01] <Jetpack> nice timing
  1927. 01[20:01] <@Yagura> it is fletch weak
  1928. 01[20:01] <@Yagura> but mostly any mon
  1929. 01[20:01] <@Yagura> can play around with it
  1930. 01[20:01] <@Yagura> skrelp can ohko
  1931. 01[20:01] <@Yagura> pumpkin can live an acro and burn
  1932. [20:01] <cityfolk> the point of my suggesting vulla was to help wth fletch
  1933. [20:01] <cityfolk> but ight
  1934. 01[20:01] <@Yagura> pony can burn
  1935. 01[20:01] <@Yagura> dril can live an acro and rock slide
  1936. 01[20:01] <@Yagura> i think it lives +2 even
  1937. [20:02] <cityfolk> rock slide doesnt ko
  1938. [20:02] <Infamy> yeah fletch hurts the team but it doesn't really get many free switch
  1939. 01[20:02] <@Yagura> pawn kind of walls
  1940. 01[20:02] <@Yagura> and vulla which hurts it
  1941. [20:02] <+Aerow> just dont let fletch set up
  1942. [20:02] <cityfolk> o rocks
  1943. [20:02] <Jetpack> link a battle imo
  1944. 02[20:02] * Vileman (Mibbit@B0DE5570.B3A208D4.2611CE5A.IP) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  1945. [20:02] <+fitzy> also dd scraggy
  1946. [20:03] <+fitzy> hell of a time against that
  1947. 02[20:03] * Sken (Mibbit@synIRC-3E36F2BE.dyn.user.ono.com) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  1948. 02[20:05] * Deinosaur (~Deinosaur@synIRC-6C40E95A.dhcp.sffl.va.charter.com) Quit (Client exited)
  1949. [20:07] <cityfolk> do a battle
  1950. 02[20:09] * Infamy (~Mibbit@synIRC-4045A6C.washdc.east.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  1951. 03[20:10] * Infamy (Mibbit@synIRC-4045A6C.washdc.east.verizon.net) has joined #littlecup
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