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- Wapulatus Response 1
- • In Character behavior
- o Bitch and Foil work together, Bitch gives dogs for teammates to ride on to ranged spawn
- o Shadow Stalker doesn't like Undersiders works to move to ranged spawn on here own.
- o Conner will try to operate solo- heads vs Wap's team
- o Max and MT head to ranged spawn
- • Wap team fast
- o Shadow move fast in shadow state- keeps pace w/ street traffic while jumping buildings, catches up to someone ahead of her. Has good jumps- 20 foot horizontal and 15 foot vertical
- o Bitch dogs have full mobility w/ lots of chain or boxes, a human weigt is nothing
- o Bitch dogs outspeed cars, and can climb buildings in seconds
- o Elick team has no travel feats
- • Bitch offense
- o Dogs teeth cut through skin hard as aoluminum alloy, and large metal robots
- o Dog teeth easily cut through limbs, and can incap people w/o killing them
- o Dogs can send people flying through walls, and crushes people w/ 3 thousand pound weight.
- o This offense one shots MT and Max, can incap Connor
- • Foil offense
- o Weapons can pierce through anything – kills MT or Max
- Stab through leviathan- aluminum alloy and denser beyond
- Slashes through metal and lots of flesh
- o Can fuse objects to other objects by hitting them with ranged weapons – works to incap Connor
- • Shadow offense- snipes people
- o Gets to vantage point and snipes people w/ crossbows
- o Otherwise, phases and snipes people from walls
- o Uses tranq darts- incaps connor
- Elick Response 1
- • In character
- o Bitch no team work with Foil, she's pissed
- o Foil unwilling to kill MT, she's a child. Foil has aversion to killing
- o Agrees with Shadow doing her own thing
- o Mt has no issues with working with team
- o Max is car lusted- and likely takes charge
- o Max uses dog as cover – Bitch won't attack him
- o Connor will go off, but isn't in a blind rage in Thorn mode.
- o Bitch only has 1 dog to give, not enough to carry Foil
- o Bitch converts Max's dog to superdog, but Max has full control of super dog- works against Wap's team
- o Foil is tied to Bitch, who rides to Elick's team and doesn't go to weapon spawn
- • MT mobility adv
- o Carries a harpoon
- o No slouch for mobility
- o Harpoon can carry 2 MTs
- o So Harpoon pack carries MT and Max and gets to weapon spawn b4 Foil. Shadow may get there first
- o So fights are Shadow vs MT and Max, Connor vs Bitch and Foil
- • Fight 1 – Shadow vs MT and Max
- o Shadow gets to ranged spawn first, and engages MT and Max
- o MT is non bio, doesn't get affected by tranqs
- o Max aim dodges crossbows, and survives sniper bullets, he'll be fine
- o Shadow has to be material to attack- Max just shoots her when she does this, and dies from the shotgun
- o Additionally, MT deals well w/ piercing and pain
- o Shadow defeat means no mechanism to incap Connor exists
- o Max loots Shadow's body for crossbows and tranqs
- • Fight 2 – Connor vs Bitch and Foil
- o Bitch dogs feats are just "ignores pain"
- o Connor bisects a guy in ms w/ blunt wooden nailed club
- o Bitch dog reaction feats are fake and vague literary stuff
- o So connor slices Bitch dog in half, pisses off Bitch
- o Connor dies a bunch of times vs Bitch and Foil but
- o Bitch won't incap him because she's pissed- so Connor keeps regenning
- o Max and MT arrive
- • Fight 3 –
- o Foil ability still doesn't incap Connor
- o Foul won't hurt MT except in non lethal self defense
- o Bitch is pissed, gets brutalized by Connor or shot by Max
- o Foil loses in a 3v1
- • Overall
- o Fights starts w/ 2 2v1s, but Connor is better than Shadow at surviving
- o Bitch gets pissed by Connor killing her dog, doesn't act rationally
- o Shadow loses the 2v1, overall fight goes to a 3v2
- • Worm bad, upvotes to the left (tru)
- Wapulatus Response 2
- • Win cons
- o Wap team fast, reaches ranged spawn first
- o Bitch strong, Shadow snipers, Foil cuts go
- • Bad assumptions by Elick
- o Bitch is in rage and doesn't work w/ team
- o Bitch prioritizes Connor not MT/Max
- o Bitch dog dies to Connor
- o Shadow doesn't do shadow stalking things
- o Shadow can't pierce MT
- • Concessions
- o Shadow reaches ranged spawn first
- o Connor gets memed on by Bitch alone
- Bitch is a weak teenager, her dog is a 3000 pound murder machine. If Bitch can kill Connor, so can her dog
- Specifically, Her dog doesn't care about blades that pierce through metal, concrete, and armor
- Bitch is too weak to kill Connor even if her dog is dead, she just knocks him out
- • In character behavior
- o Bitch being in a blind rage is stuff that happens when she's a kid- she's changed
- o Bitch deals with Mannequin (dog killer) by working w/ teammates and gives dog rides
- o Bitch deals with Behemoth- works with Foul to fight Behemoth
- o Barely any scans for Bitch behavior- Bitch will help Foil get to weapon spawn
- o Why would Bitch prioritize Connor if she thinks Elick team if full of dog killers. Also why does Connor avoid Shadow Stalker when she's in front of the other two?
- o Why would Max use his dog as cover?
- • Shadow Stalker shadows and stalks
- o Giga mobility w/ jumps, finds vantage points and snipes, otherwise snipesfrom walls
- o Max aim dodging involves lots of Line of sights, won't have that with Shadow
- o Neither Max or MT deal w/ steath
- o For Max, will use tranq darts because she uses tranq darts on people
- o For MT, will use metal bolts when fight people with metal in their eyes
- o Uses phasing to pierce material she normally can't peirce, MT is screwed
- • Connor sucks
- o Gets incapped by dart from Shadow Stalker, or knocked out by punch from Bitch, or incapped by Bitch dog, which bitch does a lot to dog abusers to torture them
- Elick Response 2
- • Bitch sucks
- o Minimal strength- only knocks someone out
- o Gets beaten up by teenagers
- • Connor kills Bitch easy
- o Cuts her in half
- o Kills her in many ways
- o Uses superior mobility
- • Bastard still sucks vs Connor
- o Bitch dog has no durability
- o Connor doesn't leave a blade in dog, he cuts it in half
- o Bitch is physically incapable or murdering Connor w/o dog
- • Foil offense
- o 6 feats- they all kill Connor
- o For foil to incap connor- has to prevent Connor from killing himself even if he's stuck
- o Foil has to be fast
- o Has to deal with Connor blitz from revives
- • Foil not fast
- o 6 feats are vague literary stuff
- o Connor is visually fast
- o Only mechanism for incapping Connor is tranq, and he can deal with that by killing himself if he realizes he's tranqed. Shadow has finite ammo supply
- • Connor is really fragile, so he gets killed by Foil, if she happens to be fast
- • Connor vs Bitch happens because Connor goes straight for them instead of ranged spawn- can't avoid engagement because Connor catches up to Bitch
- • Bitch travel speed bad
- o Outpace any car is flower language
- o Moment is vague
- o Climbing up buildings is a vague feat
- o Bitch dog has no defined speed. Connor visually fast and forces engagement
- o So we assume 2 2v1s
- • Max and MT vs Shadow
- o Shadow has limited ammo
- o Bolts vs MT don't do anything, she's non biological metal not a parahuman, also would bounce off
- o Why is one arrow enough to take her eye, and she needs to be close to piercing MT, which means tranqing max first.
- o Arrows get aim blocked going through Max hand, if they go straight through he won't be tranqed
- o Max can drink water to heal from poisoning because it heals blunt wounds and piercing wounds
- o MT keeps Max awake
- o Shadow runs out of ammo, gets beaten up by Max, and shot
- • Max solos
- o Bitch goes for Max and MT first
- o But bitch dog slow, Connor fast, intercepts
- o Bitch dies
- o Foil takes longer to die but she doesn't have an option to incap him
- o Shadow if she someone beats Max and MT, has no more ammo
- o Connor then kills her in 1v1 CQC
- Wapulatus Response 3
- • Win cons
- o Wap team reaches ranged spawn first
- o Wap team wins w/ stealth and brute force
- • Concessions
- o Elick has no relevant scans for Bitch behavior
- As such, Bitch will reach ranged spawn, her dogs move faster than cars and Connor has negative speed
- o Bitch and Foil reach ranged pick up- gets Foil's weapons- MT and Max now need to deal with, and Connor needs to deal with Shadow and Foil sniping
- • Quick rebuttals
- o Dogs faster than cars feat isn't flowery language
- o Bitch dogs keep up w/ glory girl, who moves 80mph
- o Connor still has nil speed
- o Elick flip flops on Connor being a good fighter
- • Bitch dog strong
- o Reiterates offense- any hit one shots MT and/or Max
- • Foil snipes
- o Has infinite piercing
- o Super accurate, projectiles ignore gravity
- o Tags people who are
- FTE
- Mobile
- People who jump from building to building
- Can non-lethally bolt people
- o Nobody can avoid Foil's sniping
- o No attrition because infinite ammo
- o Connor slow
- o Foil has good anticipation for sword play, and is super skilled
- • Shadow Stalker
- o Stealth stealth
- o Huge amounts of ammo
- o MT going blind makes her a non-combatant
- o MT is not stronger than Leviathan, who Shadow pierced
- o Doesn't need to be close to pierce at a distance
- o Stealth screws Max aim blocking
- o Water doesn't matter for tranqs
- o What does MT do to stop a tranq dart from working
- • 1v3
- o Max and MT die pretty easily
- o Shadow tranqs Connor
- o Foil fuses his feet to the ground
- o Bitch Dog deals w/ Connor piercing
- o Bitch dog can attack to incap
- Elick Response 3
- • General stuff
- o Moving faster than cars means nothing
- o Connor moves visually fast
- • Connor Dura awful
- o Worm characters have better dura than Connor, he gets one shot by anything
- • 2 2v1s happen
- • Connor bisecting is good piercing
- • Shadow ammo quantity is vague literature posting
- • Leviathan is weak actually
- o Alluminum alloy sucks
- • MT is strong
- o Takes a while to be grinded by an electric grinder, not lightweight. MT is more durable than Leviathan
- • Max strong
- o Sniper Dura feat again
- o Max has good range w/ shotgun
- o Max shoot quickly and accurately
- o Has anti-stealth
- o Is intelligent
- • Water heals stuff
- • Fusing Connor doesn't work
- o Rapier isn't long
- o Connor can get out
- • Connor cuts through Bitch Dog
- Judgement
- I think that the Worm team clearly wins here. I believe that his Worm characters have sufficient travel speed to reach the ranged spawn first, and their general combat abilities, allow them to win a 3v2 vs Max and MT, from which point they have sufficient capacity to incap Connor in a 1v3. I also don't think Elick's team has a really great answer to Shadow's stealth, and any counters that they are presented to have come up too late in the debate for me to evaluate them.
- Wapulatus Wins
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