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  1. Nov 20 00:06:42 <&Soulless> query: what is the percentage of christian subfaiths that are ok with/against the gays
  2. Nov 20 00:06:53 <weryllium> I uh
  3. Nov 20 00:06:55 <weryllium> Hmm
  4. Nov 20 00:07:07 <@Taffeta> Soulless: I uh
  5. Nov 20 00:07:10 <@Taffeta> Mmh
  6. Nov 20 00:07:13 <weryllium> Depends on the denomination, really. I don't know much about the differences
  7. Nov 20 00:07:21 <@Taffeta> Like, what's the criteria
  8. Nov 20 00:07:37 <weryllium> And with nondenominational churches it literally varies with every individual church
  9. Nov 20 00:07:41 <@Taffeta> My parents are part of a denomination that says 'gays are okay just don't ever fuck'
  10. Nov 20 00:07:44 <&Soulless> Taffeta, idk, how churches normally organize themselbes
  11. Nov 20 00:07:51 <&Soulless> I'm not christian
  12. Nov 20 00:07:57 <&Soulless> I know nothing of christians
  13. Nov 20 00:08:06 <Voct> https://twitter.com/DickKingSmith/status/932139112152403968
  14. Nov 20 00:08:09 <@Taffeta> Soulless: No I mean what's your criteria for 'ok with/against the gays'
  15. Nov 20 00:08:22 <@Taffeta> like, on a sliding scale from Westboro Church to this chat?
  16. Nov 20 00:08:25 <OfAshAndBone> soulless: honestly, as a christian, its a mess
  17. Nov 20 00:08:28 <@Taffeta> Where do you draw the dividing line
  18. Nov 20 00:08:34 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, ok
  19. Nov 20 00:08:38 <&Soulless> Taffeta, uhhh
  20. Nov 20 00:08:43 «--- vezaz (uid151975@synIRC-BE520D8D.ealing.irccloud.com) has Quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
  21. Nov 20 00:08:46 <&Soulless> Taffeta, I guess gays are ok, can marry, can fucc?
  22. Nov 20 00:08:51 <Voct> it's interesting how the line for 'liberal progressive' changes over the years
  23. Nov 20 00:08:56 <@Taffeta> Soulless: Ahh
  24. Nov 20 00:09:12 <TheRaven> Most of them are either against or have no position
  25. Nov 20 00:09:18 <Voct> I've always found my dad to be very progressive and liberal, but he has problems accepting that there's such a thing as 'trans'
  26. Nov 20 00:09:37 <tawny> :/
  27. Nov 20 00:09:48 <&Soulless> My parents are conservative, but they'
  28. Nov 20 00:09:55 <Voct> I mean, he does try to be polite
  29. Nov 20 00:09:58 <&Soulless> re the kind that also see no point in fighting anyone about them
  30. Nov 20 00:10:19 <&Soulless> more like "I don't understand, but I don't think it matters for me to understand, so w/e"
  31. Nov 20 00:10:19 <Voct> and when someone says "please don't use <pronoun X> for me", he doesn't
  32. Nov 20 00:10:30 <@Taffeta> My parents are conservative, but... I don't think there's a but
  33. Nov 20 00:10:33 <Voct> and he doesn't deadname them
  34. Nov 20 00:10:42 <Voct> but he instead rephrases so as to not use pronouns
  35. Nov 20 00:10:44 <@Taffeta> They're just kind of jackasses for reasons other than their political views
  36. Nov 20 00:10:52 <&Soulless> But I'm curious as to the split in christianityh
  37. Nov 20 00:10:53 <&Soulless> Like
  38. Nov 20 00:10:55 <OfAshAndBone> soulless there's a stupid amount of denominations, and all believe/preach variations, usually specifics on worship, emphasizing different portions of the bible, the church as an organized institution is vastly flawed, and again I'm saying that as a christian.
  39. Nov 20 00:11:02 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, I see
  40. Nov 20 00:11:18 »» Mendelssoff is now known as Mendelssohn
  41. Nov 20 00:11:27 <Mendelssohn> Soulless: were you looking for me earlier?
  42. Nov 20 00:11:28 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, so how do you know if you're not going to be ostracized or potentially hatecrimed upon if you want to be christian but are seeking a christian community that is ok with your sexuality
  43. Nov 20 00:11:34 <&Soulless> Mendelssohn, I... don't remember
  44. Nov 20 00:11:45 <&Soulless> Mendelssohn, oph yeah
  45. Nov 20 00:11:48 <Mendelssohn> Soulless: Also, did you get the tell I sent you?
  46. Nov 20 00:11:50 <&Soulless> Mendelssohn, wikidot pm
  47. Nov 20 00:11:52 <&Soulless> or irc
  48. Nov 20 00:11:54 <&Soulless> idc
  49. Nov 20 00:11:57 <OfAshAndBone> soulless i recommend searching for a non-denominational church
  50. Nov 20 00:12:16 <Mendelssohn> Soulless: What's the recommended number of crits to send?
  51. Nov 20 00:12:19 <OfAshAndBone> soulless and even then, do your research on the preachers
  52. Nov 20 00:12:23 <@Taffeta> Soulless: Round and round, gays in woe / Do they burn lesbians, nobody knows
  53. Nov 20 00:12:29 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, I am curious about christianity but I'm not actually christian, I just want to see if the bible has explanations to my dreams
  54. Nov 20 00:12:41 <&Soulless> Taffeta, that is horrid lol
  55. Nov 20 00:12:52 <&Soulless> Mendelssohn, like... 1, or however many you want reviewed
  56. Nov 20 00:12:55 <OfAshAndBone> soulless what dreams, maybe i can help a little. im not a theologian, but ive done a bit of my own research
  57. Nov 20 00:13:06 <weryllium> We need Joseph in here
  58. Nov 20 00:13:07 <Voct> Soulless has amazing dreams
  59. Nov 20 00:13:15 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, I have dreams of a man who says I am not a human but a creature of dreams accidentallyt taking a human form
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  62. Nov 20 00:13:25 <Dr0Shadow> Erm
  63. Nov 20 00:13:41 <OfAshAndBone> soulless could just be a dream, god knows ive had weird ones in the past
  64. Nov 20 00:13:53 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, this man tells me I have forgotten all I have been and was, and he wants me to die, such that I can return to that which I once was
  65. Nov 20 00:14:01 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, he's been around since...... 2014
  66. Nov 20 00:14:12 <&Soulless> And he claims to have been around before that- that I just hadn't noticed him
  67. Nov 20 00:14:20 <OfAshAndBone> soulless could be a reflection of self-doubt, of worries you have of changes in your life
  68. Nov 20 00:14:21 <Mendelssohn> Soulless: Got it, thanks
  69. Nov 20 00:14:37 <Varaxcines> Last night I had a dream where osama bin laden killed me, and I am 100% certain it was inspired by the obama ‘then PERISH’ thing
  70. Nov 20 00:14:40 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, in the meantime, I explore afterlives and alternative universes, social cultures and magical systems
  71. Nov 20 00:14:45 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, since /2014/?
  72. Nov 20 00:15:20 <Dr0Shadow> I’ve had dreams that more or less are thematic retellings of the last hours that I was awake
  73. Nov 20 00:15:36 <@Taffeta> I don't really dream
  74. Nov 20 00:15:37 <Dr0Shadow> Also Soulless this guy is telling you to kill yourself?
  75. Nov 20 00:15:41 <@Taffeta> Part of me thinks 'that sucks!'
  76. Nov 20 00:15:45 <Voct> Varaxcines - 'then perish' what?
  77. Nov 20 00:15:52 <@Taffeta> The other part of me thinks 'jesus christ, no repeat of father-son skinning dream again please'
  78. Nov 20 00:16:02 <Klurg> I wish my dreams would make more sense
  79. Nov 20 00:16:10 <OfAshAndBone> soulless yeah, trust me, youve got a great imagination, and your brain is doing some great stuff. I dont think, in this case its something weird such as "you forgetting what you are". I would recommend maybe getting a dream journal though, recording what you remember right when you wake up. some great cosmic horror literature has been written that way
  80. Nov 20 00:16:10 <Klurg> Currently the majority of them are a blurry mess
  81. Nov 20 00:16:12 <Cyclopian> **Item #:** SCP-12250-J **Object Class:** Opened Door
  82. Nov 20 00:16:26 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, I've kept a dream diary since 2015
  83. Nov 20 00:16:28 <Voct> this morning I was dreaming about petting a jack russel terrier in a parking lot
  84. Nov 20 00:16:38 <Cyclopian> do you think I could make a loss.jpg shitpost into a successful J?
  85. Nov 20 00:16:39 <Voct> then someone asked me if i knew what was special about it
  86. Nov 20 00:16:40 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, he shows up consistently, we talk, we talk aboud society, of being a human, of being a person
  87. Nov 20 00:16:40 <Varaxcines> Voct: http://youtube.com/watch?v=RCB9p8o7iaM
  88. Nov 20 00:16:45 <Avocadonut> that's the most wholesome dream voct
  89. Nov 20 00:16:51 <Klurg> Hell, the majority of my thoughts are a blurry mess. I have trouble focusing and can never make mental pictures more detailed then blurs
  90. Nov 20 00:16:58 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, he has... done things, or implied to have done things, that don't explain just by my imagination
  91. Nov 20 00:17:18 <Klurg> If I have a dream I can remember and see clearly, I am so, so grateful for it
  92. Nov 20 00:17:20 <OfAshAndBone> soulless great! recurring dreams arent uncommon. if anything, this sounds sort of like a thing your mind has created to help you sort through things.
  93. Nov 20 00:17:20 <Dr0Shadow> That might be the devil, if he’s telling you to kill yourself
  94. Nov 20 00:17:21 <Voct> and what was special about the JRT was that it has a new album coming out next week
  95. Nov 20 00:17:26 <Klurg> Except if it’s a nightmare
  96. Nov 20 00:17:32 <Voct> because the radio announcer was integrating into my dream
  97. Nov 20 00:17:32 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, but he doesn't soprt through things with me
  98. Nov 20 00:17:32 <Klurg> Those can fuck right off
  99. Nov 20 00:17:47 <Voct> Klurg - re: mental pictures
  100. Nov 20 00:18:03 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, he is kind to me, but everyone I've talked to about his behavior implies he is probably manipulative and untrustworthy
  101. Nov 20 00:18:11 »» JackIke scratches his chin, trying to think of a solution to a hole he's just dug
  102. Nov 20 00:18:12 <Voct> Klurg - there used to be huge arguments over how people actually visualize - do we really 'see pictures' in our heads, or is it just a figure of speech
  103. Nov 20 00:18:26 <Voct> finally, Francis Galton established that *different people visualize differently*
  104. Nov 20 00:18:32 <Dr0Shadow> That’s a sure way to get damned, if we’re still talking in Christian terms
  105. Nov 20 00:18:45 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, I want explanations, not dismissals, is my worry
  106. Nov 20 00:18:50 <Dr0Shadow> Soulless: okay yeah that really sounds like the devil
  107. Nov 20 00:18:52 <Klurg> I can barely visualize
  108. Nov 20 00:18:58 <JackIke> I could have this guy look smart, but just be mediocre and have little idea what he's doing
  109. Nov 20 00:18:58 <&Soulless> Dr0Shadow, but he's kind :T
  110. Nov 20 00:19:03 <Avocadonut> i had a dream once where every living creature in the world was going to vanish one-by-one and i was the first to go, and i was sad i because my family was going to grieve over me before they went
  111. Nov 20 00:19:05 <JackIke> or I could have him start like that and improve
  112. Nov 20 00:19:07 ---» Joreth (type@with.paws) has Joined #site19
  113. Nov 20 00:19:09 <Avocadonut> it was a shitty dream
  114. Nov 20 00:19:12 <Dr0Shadow> Soulless: that’s exactly what he would do
  115. Nov 20 00:19:31 <Klurg> Well the devil in certain stories can be kind (or at least put up a front of it)
  116. Nov 20 00:19:34 <&Soulless> Dr0Shadow, :T but he doesn't come off as evil
  117. Nov 20 00:19:43 <Voct> Varaxcines, why the fuck were you watching such a shitty cartoon ?
  118. Nov 20 00:19:45 <OfAshAndBone> soulless im saying this as someone whos dreams generally come across as prophetic, just record it, and keep in mind that for now, they are dreams. Im not going to do the sterotypical christian thing and jump to conclusions about demons and whatnot. angels have appeared in dreams countless times.
  119. Nov 20 00:19:52 <Klurg> I had a similar dream Avocadonut
  120. Nov 20 00:19:54 <Varaxcines> The only recurring dream I have is spiders, like, pls fuck off I am trying to sleep
  121. Nov 20 00:19:59 <Varaxcines> Voct my friend linked it
  122. Nov 20 00:20:05 <Voct> Varaxcines - no they didn't.
  123. Nov 20 00:20:09 <Klurg> I was a little girl who’s father was a scientist that was researching universes
  124. Nov 20 00:20:09 <OfAshAndBone> soulless the best advice i can give is keep up the journal, get detailed with the journal, do some research
  125. Nov 20 00:20:10 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, it's not about prophecy
  126. Nov 20 00:20:15 <Voct> They may have linked it but they're not your friend.
  127. Nov 20 00:20:19 <Klurg> He noticed that different universes were dying
  128. Nov 20 00:20:24 <Varaxcines> Voct lmao
  129. Nov 20 00:20:25 <OfAshAndBone> soulless im not saying it is
  130. Nov 20 00:20:25 <Dr0Shadow> The horrifying thing about him is that he appears as an thing of beautiful because he’s trying to appeal to people
  131. Nov 20 00:20:27 »» JackIke rolls past on a unicycle
  132. Nov 20 00:20:35 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, I have my journal, what research should I do? I have looked and found nothing
  133. Nov 20 00:20:48 <Klurg> He then managed to send me to an alternate universe where the mother survived right before the original universe died
  134. Nov 20 00:20:53 «--- stormfallen (Antimemes@the.NDA.of.the.soul) has Quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
  135. Nov 20 00:20:55 <Klurg> that was my dream in a nutshell
  136. Nov 20 00:20:57 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, everything from spirit mediums to otherkin to lucid dreams doesn't have a satisfying explanation
  137. Nov 20 00:20:58 <Voct> Varaxcines, ultimately that cartoon is about a cat panicking and screaming as it is drowned.
  138. Nov 20 00:21:07 <Cyclopian> Hey, anyone want to discourage me from impulsively posting a shitty article I wrote in twenty minutes to the main site - I mean, critique a draft?
  139. Nov 20 00:21:07 <Dr0Shadow> Soulless: of course I could be reading far to theologically in this
  140. Nov 20 00:21:10 <OfAshAndBone> soulless give me a description of the man, as detailed as you can.
  141. Nov 20 00:21:12 <Voct> Varaxcines - it's a bad cartoon, and if you like it then you're a bad person.
  142. Nov 20 00:21:14 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, even worse, I haven't even found a spirit medium willing to work with me bnecause he has too many red flags
  143. Nov 20 00:21:25 <Dr0Shadow> O-o
  144. Nov 20 00:21:34 <OfAshAndBone> soulless look, personallity, mannerisms everything
  145. Nov 20 00:21:43 <Varaxcines> Voct /shrug
  146. Nov 20 00:21:48 <JackIke> .def learning
  147. Nov 20 00:21:49 <Dr0Shadow> Okay yeah somethings wrong about this thing
  148. Nov 20 00:21:55 <Dr0Shadow> What do you call him?
  149. Nov 20 00:21:59 <JackIke> ... oh right
  150. Nov 20 00:22:03 <Voct> "trump"
  151. Nov 20 00:22:04 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, he... is kind, but changes his shape often, to best fit in the dream- he is gentle, but always as if he has a deep pain he refuses to let me comfort- he touches, and acts, as if everything is so gentle that he could destroy it if he is uncautious, but he is... casual about this
  152. Nov 20 00:22:16 <Avocadonut> i'm tempted to make the joke
  153. Nov 20 00:22:17 <Avocadonut> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/004/371/this_man.jpg
  154. Nov 20 00:22:23 ---» tretter (~tretter@went.to.disney.channel.without.parental.approval) has Joined #site19
  155. Nov 20 00:22:24 <Avocadonut> i'll make the joke
  156. Nov 20 00:22:43 <Avocadonut> that him
  157. Nov 20 00:22:44 <Dr0Shadow> Soulless: Okay that actually might not be the devil. Not sure yet though
  158. Nov 20 00:22:50 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, he never quite raises his voice, he asks... existential things, wirh analogies that make no sense- he asks about water through glass, fragments in fluids
  159. Nov 20 00:22:58 <Metaphysician> I've seen that asshole in my dreams...
  160. Nov 20 00:23:05 <Cyclopian> okay but seriously anyone interested in reading a short -j draft?
  161. Nov 20 00:23:12 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, he doesn't like humans, because humans assume everything they see in their dreams are owned by themselves
  162. Nov 20 00:23:40 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, he claims he has a past- he was a predator once, but he rescinded that- now he is something like a scholar, or a guardian, of rht edreams- and in the past he's implied he would stay with dreams, as they died
  163. Nov 20 00:24:05 <Klurg> I’m curious. If he was a predator, what did he hunt?
  164. Nov 20 00:24:10 <Voct> us
  165. Nov 20 00:24:14 <Scantron> gamers
  166. Nov 20 00:24:22 <JackIke> Weed
  167. Nov 20 00:24:31 <weryllium> against
  168. Nov 20 00:24:38 <JackIke> Cool
  169. Nov 20 00:24:48 <weryllium> yet
  170. Nov 20 00:24:55 <Cyclopian> Big Narf
  171. Nov 20 00:24:56 <JackIke> Global
  172. Nov 20 00:25:04 <OfAshAndBone> soulless give me a minute
  173. Nov 20 00:25:06 <weryllium> Horizon
  174. Nov 20 00:25:07 <Avocadonut> weade
  175. Nov 20 00:25:12 <JackIke> Damnit, you ruined it ash
  176. Nov 20 00:25:24 <JackIke> Weed against cool, yet global big narf
  177. Nov 20 00:25:30 ---» salvagebar (uid234490@I.do.not.doxx.people) has Joined #site19
  178. Nov 20 00:25:30 »» ChanServ gives channel operator status to salvagebar
  179. Nov 20 00:25:38 <Avocadonut> gamers against the big narf
  180. Nov 20 00:25:42 <Dr0Shadow> I’ll be praying for you Soulless, if you don’t mind. I want you to understand this and if he’s a threat I’m hoping that either us talking about it or God will resolve/shed some light on it. Did you investigate regular dream psychology btw?
  181. Nov 20 00:25:46 <weryllium> Wasn't BIG NARF expanding its range in the skip
  182. Nov 20 00:25:50 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, He smokes a cigarette that releases a sweet, purple smoke
  183. Nov 20 00:25:56 <JackIke> weryllium: Big narf is a scip
  184. Nov 20 00:26:04 <weryllium> I know
  185. Nov 20 00:26:13 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, he also reads a book with no writing in it, but he explains he is reading what stories could be, not what a story is
  186. Nov 20 00:26:14 <&Soulless> idk
  187. Nov 20 00:26:17 ---» MmePeignoir (~MmePeigno@D680B075.85F7519C.7F25889F.IP) has Joined #site19
  188. Nov 20 00:26:22 <weryllium> In that skip, wasn't the phenomenon growing in range
  189. Nov 20 00:26:30 <Klurg> Wait Soulless, you said that he said he used to be a predator?
  190. Nov 20 00:26:34 <Klurg> What did he hunt?
  191. Nov 20 00:26:46 <&Soulless> Klurg, I don't know
  192. Nov 20 00:27:02 <&Soulless> Klurg, perhaps predator isn't the right word- violent? warlike? it's veryu vague
  193. Nov 20 00:27:10 <Mendelssohn> .s big narf
  194. Nov 20 00:27:10 <Avocadonut> soulless, i'm going to make a wild guess here and say he was hunting for dogs so he could pet them
  195. Nov 20 00:27:15 <Avocadonut> that's what i would do anyways
  196. Nov 20 00:27:16 <Varaxcines> Soulless have you ever considered making a story out of these experiences? To me, as an outsider, these seem pretty interesting and maybe writing about it will shed some light or something (assuming you haven’t already)
  197. Nov 20 00:27:18 <&Soulless> Avocadonut, fair
  198. Nov 20 00:27:26 »» JackIke scratches his chin
  199. Nov 20 00:27:32 <&Soulless> Varaxcines, idk look up the kindness tag on scp
  200. Nov 20 00:27:35 <Dr0Shadow> Soulless: sounds like an interesting guy. Not sure if he’s on the level though. I have a suggestion: write down a list of questions you want to ask him right before bed. Maybe that way you’ll remember them
  201. Nov 20 00:27:37 <@Taffeta> If jarvis was in the room Varaxcines I would tag search kindn-
  202. Nov 20 00:27:39 <&Soulless> Dr0Shadow, he doesn't like humans, doesn't care for religion either
  203. Nov 20 00:27:44 <@Taffeta> Dammit soulninja
  204. Nov 20 00:27:46 <Dr0Shadow> Hmm
  205. Nov 20 00:28:00 <Mendelssohn> helen seems to be a bit borked as well
  206. Nov 20 00:28:04 <Varaxcines> Def gonna read
  207. Nov 20 00:28:16 <OfAshAndBone> soulless this is difficult if I'm being honest
  208. Nov 20 00:28:36 <OfAshAndBone> soulless what you are describing fills descriptions for a few different things
  209. Nov 20 00:28:46 <OfAshAndBone> soulless some good, some bad
  210. Nov 20 00:28:59 <&Soulless> Dr0Shadow, he cares for me, but he doesn't like other humans- he thinks of them as selfish and narrow minded, but also that he believes religion, human religion, is humans having a distorted view of what is really happening
  211. Nov 20 00:29:07 <Klurg> Brb, I must soft reset for an adamant natured Lycanroc
  212. Nov 20 00:29:21 <BoogeyMan23> Mendelssohn: hey yeah! why isn't helen picking up the slack?
  213. Nov 20 00:29:23 <OfAshAndBone> soulless do you mind if i prod with some questions
  214. Nov 20 00:29:32 <&Soulless> Dr0Shadow, but he also doesn't want to explain to me
  215. Nov 20 00:29:35 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, go ahead
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  217. Nov 20 00:29:42 <&Soulless> we can do it in PM if it's disruptive lmao
  218. Nov 20 00:29:44 <OfAshAndBone> soulless what feelings do you feel around it
  219. Nov 20 00:29:52 <&Soulless> but yeah I just want to know what christians care for the gays
  220. Nov 20 00:29:56 <&Soulless> or are cool w/ them
  221. Nov 20 00:30:14 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, I like him, but if... people don't like him... it makes me feel confused, and I don't- instinctively I do not want to see him poorly
  222. Nov 20 00:30:30 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, everything he does, in the dream, feels like the fine, normal thing to do- everything he does feels safe, and fine
  223. Nov 20 00:30:45 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, even when he implies such things, because it's him, it's fine
  224. Nov 20 00:30:48 <&Soulless> does this make sense
  225. Nov 20 00:31:04 <OfAshAndBone> soulless what do you mean people dont like him? people outside of the dream, or in the dream?
  226. Nov 20 00:31:29 <DrChandra> Can anyone think of any arguments why keter should be pronounced with a short e, as in keeter (it's for a tale)?
  227. Nov 20 00:31:54 <weryllium> DrChandra: if it's in S&C Plastics, because they called em Keeter Skeeters
  228. Nov 20 00:31:57 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, when I explain to other friends and they say "this guy sounds like an abusive fuck"
  229. Nov 20 00:32:06 <&Soulless> Keeter skeeters omfg
  230. Nov 20 00:32:07 <JackIke> DrChandra: Because they don't know it's supposed to be ketter
  231. Nov 20 00:32:36 <OfAshAndBone> soulless what about him do they say sounds abusive?
  232. Nov 20 00:32:59 <OfAshAndBone> honestly drchandra thats how ive always just thought it was pronounced
  233. Nov 20 00:33:02 <Dr0Shadow> Soulless: on the gay thing: Umm we’re okay with them as people but disapprove of the gayness. To use it’s an anathema to God’s design of how sex and gender are supposed to work. This doesn’t mean we should be going around persecuting them. They’re like all sinners, and deserve love, kindness, and mercy.
  234. Nov 20 00:33:32 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, he wants me to stop having human friends
  235. Nov 20 00:33:52 <Mendelssohn> Dr0Shadow: that sounds pretty homophobic tbh
  236. Nov 20 00:33:57 <Avocadonut> hey dr0shadow, that's nice and all but
  237. Nov 20 00:34:04 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, he wants me to, ultimately, stop being a human- living a human life, and all investment in human life to be... going on the wrong path
  238. Nov 20 00:34:06 <Avocadonut> maybe take it to pms
  239. Nov 20 00:34:23 <OfAshAndBone> soulless also on the topic of the gay thing, it depends who you ask. I honestly do not give a flying fuck about someones sexuallity, because the only two things from the bible that matter are "love your GOD" and "Love your neighbor as you love yourself" aka, love god, be excellent to one another
  240. Nov 20 00:35:01 <OfAshAndBone> soulless ok now we are getting somewhere, and i understand where they are coming from
  241. Nov 20 00:35:33 <@ARD> hey y;all
  242. Nov 20 00:35:36 <OfAshAndBone> soulless what you are dealing with, is not good if it wants you to give up what makes you human.
  243. Nov 20 00:35:42 <@ARD> if you're tired of christianity picking on gayness
  244. Nov 20 00:35:42 <Dr0Shadow> Just to be clear, I have nothing against gay people. Also Avocadonut and Mendelssohn sorry if it came off that way I didn’t mean to be that offensive.
  245. Nov 20 00:35:46 <@ARD> check out Hinduism!
  246. Nov 20 00:35:48 <@ARD> Hinduism:
  247. Nov 20 00:35:48 <Avocadonut> hiya chef boy ard
  248. Nov 20 00:35:49 <@ARD> promoting polyamory
  249. Nov 20 00:35:52 <Dr0Shadow> Pfff
  250. Nov 20 00:35:56 <Mendelssohn> chef boyardee
  251. Nov 20 00:35:57 <@Taffeta> Hinduism™
  252. Nov 20 00:35:58 <@ARD> the eradication of the gender binary
  253. Nov 20 00:36:08 <@ARD> heterosexual AND homosexual relations
  254. Nov 20 00:36:13 <@ARD> non-marital love
  255. Nov 20 00:36:20 <Avocadonut> ard: where the fuck can i sign up frne
  256. Nov 20 00:36:23 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, he claims that being human is miserable and harmful for me, because I am lacking what I used to love
  257. Nov 20 00:36:31 <Mendelssohn> i always wondered why would god be against homosexuals if he made animals that are homosexual
  258. Nov 20 00:36:38 «--- JackIke (IfYouDie@Australia.You.Should.Get.A.Second.Life) has Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  259. Nov 20 00:36:40 <@ARD> Avocadonut: just google hindu temples in your area and check it out
  260. Nov 20 00:36:43 <Varaxcines> Mendelssohn what about the supreme power in the multiverse?
  261. Nov 20 00:37:02 <OfAshAndBone> soulless there is still the problem that he wants you to abandon humanity, but do you mind answering me if he ever said what it was you are lacking?
  262. Nov 20 00:37:07 <Mendelssohn> I feel like I best should not be talking about religion and sociopolitical stuff
  263. Nov 20 00:37:21 <@ARD> both sides are equally bad
  264. Nov 20 00:37:29 <@ARD> centrism is the only true political stance
  265. Nov 20 00:37:33 <Klurg> Or we could just not follow any specific religion‘s rules and live life the way we feel is correct and fair to all
  266. Nov 20 00:38:05 <Avocadonut> ☭☭☭ or embrace full communism ☭☭☭
  267. Nov 20 00:38:14 <Dr0Shadow> Soulless: let’s assume he’s telling the truth. If past you was some sort of non-human in the past, and if you don’t remember being that entity, are you really the same person?
  268. Nov 20 00:38:21 <Mendelssohn> .pronouns
  269. Nov 20 00:38:22 <+Secretary_Helen> Mendelssohn: Mendelssohn uses the following pronouns: them, theirs, they; I have no record of accepted pronouns.
  270. Nov 20 00:38:26 <Klurg> Good luck getting humans to follow true communism
  271. Nov 20 00:39:10 <Klurg> Even if it is fully automated gay space communism
  272. Nov 20 00:39:38 <@Taffeta> ☭☭☭ лщььгтшыь ещифкшырут ☭☭☭
  273. Nov 20 00:39:54 <Mendelssohn> .seen lily
  274. Nov 20 00:40:09 <Avocadonut> fully automated *luxury* gay space communism
  275. Nov 20 00:40:11 <Mendelssohn> Helen confirmed for borked
  276. Nov 20 00:40:12 <Dr0Shadow> Soulless and former you could be considered different things. Your death would be the death of you as you think of yourself, but the resurrection of that past you. I feel like you should consider current you over past you.
  277. Nov 20 00:40:13 <Klurg> I think Helen’s not working because Jarvis is still online
  278. Nov 20 00:40:23 <@Taffeta> .helenhelp
  279. Nov 20 00:40:23 <+Secretary_Helen> Taffeta: You can find a list of my job responsibilities here: http://home.helenbot.com/usage.html
  280. Nov 20 00:40:26 <Klurg> Just not on 19
  281. Nov 20 00:40:39 <@Taffeta> hhhhhhhhuh
  282. Nov 20 00:40:40 <Mendelssohn> jarvis is slacking
  283. Nov 20 00:40:50 <Klurg> I think her Jarvis replacement functions only work if Jarvis is fully online
  284. Nov 20 00:40:51 <weryllium> She's supposed to check on a per channel basis IIRC
  285. Nov 20 00:41:04 «--- Cyclopian (Mibbit@4DF6C759.D4506C8E.BB64678C.IP) has Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  286. Nov 20 00:41:12 <Dr0Shadow> Soulless you want me to move into pm?
  287. Nov 20 00:41:15 ---» Liv3r (Mibbit@synIRC-D53B90E2.wp.shawcable.net) has Joined #site19
  288. Nov 20 00:42:04 <Avocadonut> okay today's debate topic: is h a legitimate political stance
  289. Nov 20 00:42:11 <Varaxcines> H
  290. Nov 20 00:42:20 <@Taffeta> Avocadonut: There's an h in horseshoe theory
  291. Nov 20 00:42:38 <Liv3r> h
  292. Nov 20 00:42:49 <DrChandra> It has the same right to sponsor episodes of sesame street as any other letter.
  293. Nov 20 00:43:20 <Dr0Shadow> Mendelssohn & Avocadonut please forgive me I swear I’m not homophobic. I don’t hate or dislike or distrust anyone on the LGBT+ spectrum
  294. Nov 20 00:43:40 <Klurg> FINALLY
  295. Nov 20 00:43:50 <Voct> CHARLES MANSON HAS DIED
  296. Nov 20 00:43:53 <Klurg> I GOT THE ADAMANT ROCKRUFF
  297. Nov 20 00:44:00 <Klurg> I can die in peace now
  298. Nov 20 00:44:10 <Klurg> (Not actually though I want to live)
  299. Nov 20 00:44:37 <Dr0Shadow> Charles Manson... isn’t that that death punk guy or whatever?
  300. Nov 20 00:44:38 <Klurg> I have people that wish me to stay breathing, surprisingly enough
  301. Nov 20 00:44:57 <Avocadonut> dr0shadow, i see your point, but, see, it is difficult to believe you when you say that homosexuality is a sin right in front of my face
  302. Nov 20 00:45:19 <@Taffeta> ^
  303. Nov 20 00:45:34 <Voct> Dr0Shadow - Charles Manson led a cult that murdered several people in the early 70s
  304. Nov 20 00:45:48 <weryllium> Dr0Shadow: i think you're thinking of marilyn manson
  305. Nov 20 00:45:50 <Voct> he spent the rest of his life in prison
  306. Nov 20 00:46:01 <tawny> god I confuse marilyn and charles all the time
  307. Nov 20 00:46:06 <tawny> it's really awkward
  308. Nov 20 00:46:08 <weryllium> Charles Monroe
  309. Nov 20 00:46:13 <tawny> because one of my friends is a huge fan of marylin manson
  310. Nov 20 00:46:13 <tretter> Was Charles Manson the Kirkland murders?
  311. Nov 20 00:46:16 <@Taffeta> "behold my Stand, [Charles Manson]"
  312. Nov 20 00:46:17 <Voct> every time Charles Manson applied for parole, the parole board saw that he had carved a fresh swastika on his forehead, and said "no."
  313. Nov 20 00:46:21 <Avocadonut> .g charles monroe
  314. Nov 20 00:46:27 <Avocadonut> w
  315. Nov 20 00:46:28 <tawny> and every time he mentions it and I'm like "wait WHAT"
  316. Nov 20 00:46:28 <tretter> Cause I lived about 10 mins from there.
  317. Nov 20 00:46:33 <Voct> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson
  318. Nov 20 00:47:03 <@Taffeta> Avocadonut: 🅱️ ot 🅱️ roke
  319. Nov 20 00:47:07 <tretter> Looking it up, the Kirtland murders were different
  320. Nov 20 00:47:12 <Avocadonut> rip in peace
  321. Nov 20 00:47:23 <Klurg> Jarvis machine 🅱️ roke
  322. Nov 20 00:47:26 <tawny> Taffeta, [Mechanical Animals] would be a good stand name y/n
  323. Nov 20 00:47:27 <Klurg> We have helen instead
  324. Nov 20 00:47:30 <Scantron> hi guys what's going on in this channel
  325. Nov 20 00:47:33 <Avocadonut> h
  326. Nov 20 00:47:34 <Mendelssohn> Helen is also broken
  327. Nov 20 00:47:37 <Klurg> Oh wait, helen machine 🅱️ roke too
  328. Nov 20 00:47:37 <@salvagebar> What the heck
  329. Nov 20 00:47:38 <Mendelssohn> Scantron: h is going on
  330. Nov 20 00:47:40 <Scantron> tawny: mechanimals
  331. Nov 20 00:47:40 <tawny> h
  332. Nov 20 00:47:42 <tretter> Murders, Scantron
  333. Nov 20 00:47:42 <Mendelssohn> jarvis is slacking
  334. Nov 20 00:47:43 <Liv3r> h
  335. Nov 20 00:47:45 <Klurg> n
  336. Nov 20 00:47:46 <Scantron> cool
  337. Nov 20 00:47:50 <Avocadonut> g
  338. Nov 20 00:47:54 <Mendelssohn> jarvis is in 17 but not here
  339. Nov 20 00:47:54 <@salvagebar> Charles Manson - haven't thought about that bloke in a long time
  340. Nov 20 00:47:56 <Scantron> verboten
  341. Nov 20 00:47:58 <tawny> mechanimals is the title of my animorphs/transformers crossover fiction
  342. Nov 20 00:47:59 <Mendelssohn> someone punch jarvis
  343. Nov 20 00:48:02 <Dr0Shadow> Well there’s really nothing I can say against that Avocadonut, other then I’m sorry. I guess it’s a “hate the sin, lover the sinner” thing? I really don’t know what to say to change your mind.
  344. Nov 20 00:48:08 <&Soulless> <OfAshAndBone> soulless there is still the problem that he wants you to abandon humanity, but do you mind answering me if he ever said what it was you are lacking?
  345. Nov 20 00:48:18 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, I lacked things I used to have, used to be
  346. Nov 20 00:48:19 <tawny> Dr0Shadow, you shouldn't be trying changing people's minds here
  347. Nov 20 00:48:22 <Liv3r> what do you guys do for a living by the way?
  348. Nov 20 00:48:23 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, Memories, and powers
  349. Nov 20 00:48:26 <Klurg> Off I go to play ultra s&m (because regular s&m isn’t enough anymore)
  350. Nov 20 00:48:37 <tawny> you should be trying to respect people and their existences and their rights to be themselves and do what they want
  351. Nov 20 00:48:39 <&Soulless> Dr0Shadow, I never died
  352. Nov 20 00:48:42 <DrChandra> Now that more people are talking I'll ask again: can anyone think of why keter should be pronounced keeter?
  353. Nov 20 00:48:45 <&Soulless> Dr0Shadow, ler's move to pm
  354. Nov 20 00:48:45 <Mendelssohn> Dr0Shadow: um, people can't decide whether or not to be gay
  355. Nov 20 00:48:48 <Avocadonut> dr0shadow, i'm sorry you view a vital part of my life and personality as evil
  356. Nov 20 00:48:49 <&Soulless> OfAshAndBone, we can pm if you like
  357. Nov 20 00:49:03 <OfAshAndBone> soulless yeah lets take it there for now
  358. Nov 20 00:49:04 <tawny> "hate the sin love the sinner" is a bad take and there's no sense trying to argue in favor of it
  359. Nov 20 00:49:10 <Mendelssohn> i didn't choose to be not straight
  360. Nov 20 00:49:16 <@Taffeta> tawny: y y y y y re: [Mechanical Animals]
  361. Nov 20 00:49:19 <Dr0Shadow> Avocadonut: then live your own life. Who am I to say how you should live
  362. Nov 20 00:49:25 <Klurg> Shadow I just suggest bowing out
  363. Nov 20 00:49:32 <Liv3r> being gay is OK
  364. Nov 20 00:49:33 <Dr0Shadow> Alright
  365. Nov 20 00:49:37 <tawny> "who am I etc etc" then why are you saying it's a sin, dude
  366. Nov 20 00:49:43 <Avocadonut> [22:49:38] <tawny> "who am I etc etc" then why are you s
  367. Nov 20 00:49:55 <Dr0Shadow> Because soulless asked about it
  368. Nov 20 00:50:19 <Dr0Shadow> I’m going to take Klurgs suggestion and go. I feel that’s for the best
  369. Nov 20 00:50:30 «--- Dr0Shadow (uid263594@synIRC-56446A99.highgate.irccloud.com) has Left #site19
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