Wizard Sactum Drama

comradepitrovsky — Today at 9:12 PM
I don’t know why I thought this, but I thought that Lisa was canonically trans for a while, and gave WB points for that for a while
Of course, I was wrong

Jon — Today at 9:15 PM
Wat

The Dark Gods — Today at 9:15 PM
I'm unsure what would've given you the thought

Jon — Today at 9:16 PM
I mean, women can be know it alls with big egos too

The Dark Gods — Today at 9:16 PM
I don't have encyclopedic knowledge of Worm, but nothing I recall stands out to me like that

comradepitrovsky — Today at 9:24 PM
Yeah I’m not sure why I thought it
But you occasionally have false impressions of things

The Dark Gods — Today at 9:24 PM
this is true

comradepitrovsky — Today at 9:25 PM
And, well, I like seeing trans characters too

Snuggle Squiggle — Today at 9:25 PM
holy fucking yikes Jon

Seiya — Today at 9:25 PM
Like M’gann’s narrative
That was trans
Until it wasn’t

comradepitrovsky — Today at 9:25 PM
Also trans women are women too

Jon — Today at 9:25 PM
I mean, I still think Rachel is one of the only fundamentally decent characters in Worm

Snuggle Squiggle — Today at 9:25 PM
this is the third time youve said something borderline transphobic
it's starting to get real sus

Jon — Today at 9:25 PM
People get weird ideas reading shit
I don't know what was transphobic about that, dude, come on

The Dark Gods — Today at 9:26 PM
I think the issue is that you implied that if Lisa was trans, that she would be a male in a somewhat roundabout way

Jon — Today at 9:27 PM
Sure, if we're really reaching
Really really reaching, sure

Snuggle Squiggle — Today at 9:27 PM
i didnt say it was transphobic.  i said borderline transphobic

seems all of your shitty comments are conveniently just this side of explicit bigotry

Jon — Today at 9:27 PM
I don't actually make shitty comments, thanks.
I'm done with this conversation for the moment, I'll see you folks later on perhaps

comradepitrovsky — Today at 9:31 PM
Mmmmhm

Snuggle Squiggle — Today at 9:31 PM
1) you made some weird comments about Elizabeth Sandifer that brush close to deadnaming
2) you made a cryptic comment about autogynephilia
3) and now, you made a post that seems to imply that if Lisa was a transwoman she wouldn't have been a woman
each of these cases alone could plausibly be a honest mistake, if still suspicious
but all together it starts to look real dubious
@Wizard-of-Woah! want to weigh in on this when you wake up?

Jon — Today at 9:32 PM
Waaaahhhhhh mods
There's nothing to weigh in on, man
You want me to intend transphobic bigotry, I did not
Go ahead. Ban me for what you believe I intended, I give zero shits, lmao.
That's not my idea of a society I prefer to live in

comradepitrovsky — Today at 9:33 PM
I think it’s fine to say that you can not have intended to say something offensive, and also that you might want to be a little more careful with what you say in the future.

Jon — Today at 9:34 PM
I'm not going to justify intent any more than I am going to lay out my perspective on the issues

comradepitrovsky — Today at 9:34 PM
I don’t think you intended anything malicious.

Jon — Today at 9:34 PM
Right. Don't imply that genders exist or that anyone can transition between them, that's transphobic

Snuggle Squiggle — Today at 9:34 PM
i honestly dont care just about what you intend
all three of these posts are thing i dont think really have a place on this server
so if you really don't intend transphobia, then act like it, and be more careful with your words in the future

comradepitrovsky — Today at 9:34 PM
Just you can be a little more careful of other people’s identities with what you say.

Jon — Today at 9:34 PM
And whatever
I mean, we don't even have pronoun roles do we, lmao
So if I go "hey man" — dude, bro, etc, the gender neutral case — and trans squiggle gets upset about it, now I'm being disrespectful of people's identities right

Snuggle Squiggle — Today at 9:35 PM
the fact that there are three (!) posts of yours that can be reasonably read as transphobic should be really concerning to you, if you truly aren't transphobic
it's a pattern at this point

Seiya — Today at 9:35 PM
Dude you’re being a cunt

Jon — Today at 9:35 PM
Quite
I intend no malice to the larger subset of transgender folk, as such

Seiya — Today at 9:36 PM
Mean you not Squiggle

Snuggle Squiggle — Today at 9:36 PM
you're also changing the subject because you dont have any legs to stand on in the actual issue

Jon — Today at 9:36 PM
That's not under discussion though

Seiya — Today at 9:36 PM
Just for clarification

comradepitrovsky — Today at 9:36 PM
There’s clearly a different between “hey man” and deadnaming someone, and I think you know that

Snuggle Squiggle — Today at 9:36 PM
none of us are complaining about you going hey man

Jon — Today at 9:36 PM
Right but what if next time, lmao

Snuggle Squiggle — Today at 9:36 PM
i dont care about that
and i dont think any does
so why bring it up?

Jon — Today at 9:37 PM
Honestly I almost accidentally called the fucker Phil because I forgot she'd done the thing, lmao
Haven't read her blog in months
Heads

Snuggle Squiggle — Today at 9:37 PM
why not argue against the actual charges levied against you?

Jon — Today at 9:37 PM
Years
OK here's my argument: no, I'm not out here trying to shit on trans folk
Thank you
Subject closed

Snuggle Squiggle — Today at 9:37 PM
try harder, then
easy as that
no one else has trouble with it

Jon — Today at 9:38 PM
Try harder to mail me a criminal complaint
Don't ever demand that I dignify the charges you've laid against me
If you have an issue we can discuss the issue
If you feel genuine insult from something I said, personally, please do address it

Snuggle Squiggle — Today at 9:38 PM
i dont need to demand, honestly

Jon — Today at 9:39 PM
I'm not playing kangaroo court with you though.

Snuggle Squiggle — Today at 9:39 PM
you can take it up with Wizard when he wakes up

Jon — Today at 9:39 PM
This is Discord

Snuggle Squiggle — Today at 9:39 PM
but i think your behavior in response speaks for itself

Jon — Today at 9:40 PM
You're so right
Who could possibly refuse to dignify your charges of heresy and participate in a struggle session other than an actual witch, lmao

The Dark Gods — Today at 9:40 PM
Jon I think you might want to take a few breaths

Jon — Today at 9:41 PM
I told him I was done and he won't shut up, lmao.

Seiya — Today at 9:41 PM
She

Jon — Today at 9:41 PM
Give him what he wants i guess
She, whatever

Avian Overlord — Today at 9:43 PM
Jon, knock if off.
That's mod-speak.

Jon — Today at 9:44 PM
Sorry, got pissed off. I have real life to deal with, I don't have time to keep track of what squiggle is going to think of what I said about any particular thing under the sun
It's not something we should fight about imo

Avian Overlord — Today at 9:45 PM
I understand how frustrating it can be to be jumped over a slip-up, but this is quite reasonable for people to have strong feelings about, and spite doesn't help.

Jon — Today at 9:45 PM
You use that word "jumped"
People having virtual blanket parties over what they think I said and my reaction is proof I deserved it
Fuck that, man.

Avian Overlord — Today at 9:50 PM
Look, you have certainly not been doing anything for the quality of discourse here. I'm not going to kick you, but please be less quick to be obnoxiously defensive in the future.
@Snuggle Squiggle If you have a problem with what someone's said, say it to them, none of this passive aggressive "spelling out yikes" bullshit.

Jon — Today at 9:51 PM
^ thank you
Again my views are not up for discussion nor is my intent. If I've caused anyone genuine personal offense I would like the opportunity to correct that.
If it's not forthcoming I don't need to worry

Snuggle Squiggle — Today at 9:52 PM
yeah no
i'm going to pick my battles

Jon — Today at 9:53 PM
Good. I think that might suit us both

Snuggle Squiggle — Today at 9:53 PM
when i spelt out yikes the full implications of what Jon said hadn't occurred to me, and it didn't seem worth turning into an argument
when it did, i said so
(incidentally, my connection had reset and i didnt think the yikes reaction actually went thru.  huh)

Jon — Today at 9:55 PM
It's interesting that you can do the "yikes" react bullshit reflexively and the longer you ruminate on the subject the worse it seems
That doesn't sound like a rational approach
Can't be good for your health

Snuggle Squiggle — Today at 9:55 PM
refreshed and there they are
only some of them tho, sad

Avian Overlord — Today at 9:55 PM
Jon, it's not worth it.

Jon — Today at 9:55 PM
Right, you can only engage in petty fault finding if you have a political motive
My bad

Avian Overlord — Today at 9:56 PM
Snuggle, if you say you're going to let it go, let it go.

Snuggle Squiggle — Today at 9:56 PM
like i said, my connection reset
so it was on my mind as discord reconnected

Jon — Today at 9:56 PM
Nah she gonna pick them battles

Snuggle Squiggle — Today at 9:56 PM
@Avian Overlord gotcha

Jon — Today at 9:56 PM
War and resentment and eternal enmity to heresy, lmao

Snuggle Squiggle — Today at 9:56 PM
(NB: i have not said i'm going to let it go)

The Dark Gods — Today at 9:56 PM
this feels like the opposite of letting things go so
MAN!

Avian Overlord — Today at 9:57 PM
Jon and Snuggle are both taking a time out.