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Diaspora Community Codechat, 05-03-2012

DeadSuperHero May 3rd, 2012 129 Never
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  1. May 03 12:04:31 <DeadSuperHero> Well, might as well get started.
  2. May 03 12:04:47 <DeadSuperHero> So, welcome to this week's Code Chat.
  3. May 03 12:05:16 <DeadSuperHero> There's been a lot of great development coming from the core team, as well as some great community work that is currently being cooked up.
  4. May 03 12:05:31 *       luke_ (~luke@46.Red-79-153-96.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #diaspora-meeting
  5. May 03 12:05:36 <SlackerD>      ohai luke
  6. May 03 12:05:39 <luke_> ohai
  7. May 03 12:05:41 <DeadSuperHero> First and foremost, we've been going through a great documentation cleanup to our wiki once again.
  8. May 03 12:05:52 <maxwell>       w00t
  9. May 03 12:05:55 <DeadSuperHero> We're purging old documents that are no longer relevant or technical
  10. May 03 12:06:10 <DeadSuperHero> and are refactoring existing documents to be up-to-date and be much cleaner and easier to understand.
  11. May 03 12:06:28 <DeadSuperHero> I've been crawling through well over 100 wiki pages so far
  12. May 03 12:06:39 <DeadSuperHero> looking at things that can be cleaned up, shifted around, linked to, etc.
  13. May 03 12:07:09 <DeadSuperHero> We're looking to have further discussions about it on our Diaspora-dev mailing list, so if anyone has any suggestions for things we need, or things they're having trouble with that aren't documented, let us know.
  14. May 03 12:07:33 <DeadSuperHero> Additionally, some guidelines are being drafted for a more standardized writing style
  15. May 03 12:07:47 <DeadSuperHero> Mainly just for sake of keeping everything clean and legible. Look for it this week.
  16. May 03 12:08:09 <DeadSuperHero> Secondly, a few of our contributors have been really awesome and kicking things into gear with the BugMash again.
  17. May 03 12:08:27 <maxwell>       yeah also the locate feature
  18. May 03 12:08:47 <DeadSuperHero> Yeah, we've currently got a locator feature that works similarly to identi.ca's
  19. May 03 12:08:57 <DeadSuperHero> it's sitting as a Pull Request from a community member
  20. May 03 12:09:01 <maxwell>       trying to get some of the testing stuff in order
  21. May 03 12:09:17 <maxwell>       its a good pull request but he pulled in some testing dependencies that i don't quite understand
  22. May 03 12:09:39 <maxwell>       and jasmine is already confusing for new people
  23. May 03 12:10:10 <DeadSuperHero> Yeah, it might not be a bad idea to refactor his pull request to just use our existing testing stuff if there's no obvious advantage to pulling more testing deps in
  24. May 03 12:10:19 <DeadSuperHero> Just food for thought, I guess.
  25. May 03 12:10:29 <maxwell>       yeah
  26. May 03 12:10:35 <maxwell>       i want to hear the guy out
  27. May 03 12:10:41 <maxwell>       maybe it is some new hotness i don't know about
  28. May 03 12:11:05 <DeadSuperHero> That being said, we're always looking for contributors for the Bug Mash and feature development. There's constantly new things we're adding to the Wishlist, and we're also getting a lot of things knocked off of that list.
  29. May 03 12:11:05 <maxwell>       there is also the good OSM business, but we can change that easily enuf
  30. May 03 12:11:13 <DeadSuperHero> Yeah, gotta love OSM.
  31. May 03 12:12:05 <DeadSuperHero> Finally, on the community-facing side of things, we're looking for talented individuals in our community that would be willing to make some community screencasts to go alongside the ones I've been making.
  32. May 03 12:12:21 <DeadSuperHero> Basically, if you see something that can be done with our code, and it's something we haven't covered, we want to hear from you.
  33. May 03 12:13:07 <DeadSuperHero> Screencasts are great ways to visually explain to people how to work with our platform
  34. May 03 12:13:23 <DeadSuperHero> and the existing ones we have are a huge help to newcoming developers.
  35. May 03 12:13:42 <maxwell>       yeah DeadSuperHero, perhaps you should publish your tentative list of screenies coming from you?
  36. May 03 12:13:55 <DeadSuperHero> You bet, look out for it this week.
  37. May 03 12:14:12 <DeadSuperHero> Heck, look out for it today even.
  38. May 03 12:14:22 <DeadSuperHero> Moving on.
  39. May 03 12:14:39 <DeadSuperHero> Maxwell, what kind of awesome developments are the platform going through right now?
  40. May 03 12:15:04 <maxwell>       well, if your tracking our current master, you know that we have been doing lots of new stuff with the publsiher
  41. May 03 12:15:18 <maxwell>       we are taking a slightly different approach to rolling out new features
  42. May 03 12:15:18 <DeadSuperHero> It's pretty awesome.
  43. May 03 12:15:43 <maxwell>       we are trying to stay tracking with master, but feature flagging unfinished features for most users
  44. May 03 12:15:49 <maxwell>       this has many different benifits
  45. May 03 12:16:00 <maxwell>       1) less merge conflicts from branches in pull requests
  46. May 03 12:16:09 <maxwell>       2) less long running branches in general
  47. May 03 12:16:26 <maxwell>       3) we can deploy stuff to a subset of users, even with un-done stuff
  48. May 03 12:16:42 <maxwell>       which lets us see errors sooner, but not distrupt normal alpha users
  49. May 03 12:17:18 <maxwell>       of course, you can check it out for yourself on your own pod, by making a beta role for your account and running D* with the
  50. May 03 12:17:22 <maxwell>       NEW_HOTNESS fla
  51. May 03 12:17:23 <maxwell>       g
  52. May 03 12:17:35 <DeadSuperHero> It also allows us to test out features manually in a production environment, which is great for usability design.
  53. May 03 12:17:45 <maxwell>       yeah, but it also lets us deploy and try stuff
  54. May 03 12:17:51 <DeadSuperHero> Right.
  55. May 03 12:17:53 <maxwell>       without having to force it on everyone right away
  56. May 03 12:18:03 <maxwell>       as features do evolve and change
  57. May 03 12:18:11 <DeadSuperHero> Exactly.
  58. May 03 12:18:14 <maxwell>       and we get friction every time we want to make something better from users
  59. May 03 12:18:34 <maxwell>       so this hopefully will mitigate early iterations where we really change stuff drasticly
  60. May 03 12:18:43 <maxwell>       and we can deploy it when it gets a bit more set in stone
  61. May 03 12:19:38 <DeadSuperHero> Yeah, it's all pretty great.
  62. May 03 12:19:57 <maxwell>       Yeah, also, we did more to a database driven role system
  63. May 03 12:20:12 <maxwell>       so now you can add admins, beta users, and community spotlight without restarting your server
  64. May 03 12:20:20 <DeadSuperHero> No more defining roles in application.yml
  65. May 03 12:20:22 <DeadSuperHero> :D
  66. May 03 12:20:44 <maxwell>       yeah, actually all array based keys are gone
  67. May 03 12:20:57 <maxwell>       which is going to make bootstrapping your own diaspora much easier, and more scriptable
  68. May 03 12:21:18 <DeadSuperHero> Definitely.
  69. May 03 12:22:08 <DeadSuperHero> Anyway, our design work right now is focused largely on making the platform easier to use, and easier to understand.
  70. May 03 12:22:24 <DeadSuperHero> Like Max said, you can track the latest developments in our master branch on github.
  71. May 03 12:22:24 <maxwell>       yeah
  72. May 03 12:22:50 <maxwell>       Also worth nothing, we are going to be trying to build features in non destructive ways
  73. May 03 12:23:02 <maxwell>       but when we lock into some stuff, we are going to be doing a big feature revision
  74. May 03 12:23:27 <maxwell>       meaning, we are going to cut some bad features out while making other bits and pieces more modular
  75. May 03 12:24:13 <DeadSuperHero> Pretty standard refactoring. The more modular, the better.
  76. May 03 12:25:04 <DeadSuperHero> But that makes for leaner code to go with that prettier face we're grafting on to it.
  77. May 03 12:25:15 <maxwell>       just like the wiki ;)
  78. May 03 12:25:22 <DeadSuperHero> Yup yup.
  79. May 03 12:28:31 <DeadSuperHero> I guess also as a random aside, you might have noticed that a lot of the showpages look much prettier now than they have before.
  80. May 03 12:28:37 <DeadSuperHero> We've added some new navigation elements into them
  81. May 03 12:28:51 <DeadSuperHero> and improved the typeface
  82. May 03 12:28:52 <maxwell>       yeah we have been trying to get the stuff on d* look amazing
  83. May 03 12:29:03 <maxwell>       one of our stratagys is around
  84. May 03 12:29:06 <maxwell>       thinking about personal pods
  85. May 03 12:29:16 <maxwell>       and how you can use d* to make awesome stuff you care about
  86. May 03 12:29:31 <maxwell>       and send it out to your friends who are not nessisarly hip to d* yet
  87. May 03 12:29:41 <maxwell>       its been working with our own friends
  88. May 03 12:29:42 <DeadSuperHero> Basically using your own self expression to define who you are in your own social space.
  89. May 03 12:29:45 <maxwell>       we are getting a lot of
  90. May 03 12:29:49 <DeadSuperHero> "Hey, what is that?"
  91. May 03 12:29:51 <maxwell>       "Holy shit, what is this? ?? I want this"
  92. May 03 12:29:52 <maxwell>       yes
  93. May 03 12:30:08 <maxwell>       so some types of posts look better than others
  94. May 03 12:30:15 <DeadSuperHero> We're working on it.
  95. May 03 12:30:18 <maxwell>       but we are trying to pull that in as much as we can
  96. May 03 12:30:25 <maxwell>       if you have a post that looks terrible
  97. May 03 12:30:29 <bla_>  what do you think about people complaining about the single-post view?
  98. May 03 12:30:43 <DeadSuperHero> Obviously, with any new feature, there's going to be some friction.
  99. May 03 12:30:51 <maxwell>       yeah i think its a bit hard to comment
  100. May 03 12:30:59 <maxwell>       and we did introduce some nav elements
  101. May 03 12:31:00 <DeadSuperHero> Some people love the new posts view, others not so much.
  102. May 03 12:31:20 <DeadSuperHero> We're doing what we can to address some concerns to make it more usable, but at the same time look incredible.
  103. May 03 12:31:53 <DeadSuperHero> At the very least, the addition of nav elements allows for users to easily navigate in and out of the post views.
  104. May 03 12:33:47 <DeadSuperHero> We're doing a lot of heavy lifting with feature development and design.
  105. May 03 12:34:09 <DeadSuperHero> So if you don't like something, keep in mind that there's a strong possibility that things are being refactored and improved upon behind the scenes.
  106. May 03 12:34:11 <xador> hi. can you chose a day of the week when you work on makeing diaspora green so we can update pods with no fear?
  107. May 03 12:34:21 <maxwell>       yeah xador thanks for bring up the buidl
  108. May 03 12:34:28 <maxwell>       there is a weird error right now
  109. May 03 12:34:34 <maxwell>       with some versions of ruby
  110. May 03 12:34:42 <maxwell>       i will do my best to look at them right now
  111. May 03 12:34:50 <xador> thx
  112. May 03 12:35:41 <DeadSuperHero> On that note, I think it's safe to move to questions, if our community members have any.
  113. May 03 12:35:47 <maxwell>       I think grippi took out the logged out page
  114. May 03 12:35:54 <maxwell>       so that might be the cause of the current errors
  115. May 03 12:35:55 <maxwell>       :P
  116. May 03 12:35:57 <DeadSuperHero> :P
  117. May 03 12:36:01 <maxwell>       jerk
  118. May 03 12:36:24 <maxwell>       anybody planning on having some time hack soon?
  119. May 03 12:36:36 <maxwell>       i wish stevenh was here
  120. May 03 12:36:40 <DeadSuperHero> Me too.
  121. May 03 12:36:44 *       DeadSuperHero loves Stevenh
  122. May 03 12:36:45 <maxwell>       i think i saw him saying he refactored all the email stuffs
  123. May 03 12:36:51 <DeadSuperHero> Yeah, I'm stoked about that.
  124. May 03 12:36:51 <maxwell>       which will be really nice
  125. May 03 12:37:15 <maxwell>       completely side related
  126. May 03 12:37:26 <maxwell>       anyone worked with a site screenshot service from the command line?
  127. May 03 12:37:35 *       mathis__ has quit (Quit: Page closed)
  128. May 03 12:37:43 <maxwell>       or sort of related, anyone notice you can embed show pages?
  129. May 03 12:37:59 <maxwell>       http://maxattack.tumblr.com/
  130. May 03 12:38:04 *       mathis__ (570641d4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.6.65.212) has joined #diaspora-meeting
  131. May 03 12:38:10 <maxwell>       totally beta-fied
  132. May 03 12:38:26 <DeadSuperHero> Yeah, that stuff is pretty awesome.
  133. May 03 12:38:26 <maxwell>       but we want to make your diaspora stuff look friggen awesome wherever you decide to share it
  134. May 03 12:39:10 <DeadSuperHero> Regardless of whether it's on our platform, or out all over the social web.
  135. May 03 12:39:23 <DeadSuperHero> Heck, technically the embeds even work on Friendica.
  136. May 03 12:40:10 <DeadSuperHero> Being able to share your unique content anywhere is awesome.
  137. May 03 12:40:41 <DeadSuperHero> Anyway, anyone have any questions?
  138. May 03 12:40:55 <luke_> yeah
  139. May 03 12:41:04 <DeadSuperHero> What's up, luke_ ?
  140. May 03 12:41:13 <pubis> yeah, maybe :p
  141. May 03 12:41:19 <luke_> I was thining of doing some compatibility work for IE for you guys
  142. May 03 12:41:27 <DeadSuperHero> That would rock.
  143. May 03 12:41:33 <luke_> I mainly an ASP.NET dev
  144. May 03 12:41:39 <maxwell>       luke_: omg
  145. May 03 12:41:46 <maxwell>       that would be pretty cool
  146. May 03 12:41:58 <maxwell>       I'm embarrassed to say i have no idea what it looks like
  147. May 03 12:42:00 <maxwell>       but it prob is crap
  148. May 03 12:42:09 <maxwell>       also, we prob are just only going to target latest IE
  149. May 03 12:42:12 <SlackerD>      it works great on IE9
  150. May 03 12:42:18 <SlackerD>      I've tried it
  151. May 03 12:42:23 <luke_> mainly small CSS stuff and some js
  152. May 03 12:42:26 <DeadSuperHero> That being said, if you can make it work with like, IE7 or something crazy like that
  153. May 03 12:42:30 <DeadSuperHero> You would be a god.
  154. May 03 12:42:36 <luke_> I could easily get most CSS stuff working in IE7 upwards
  155. May 03 12:42:45 <DeadSuperHero> <3
  156. May 03 12:42:50 <maxwell>       yeah IE7 might even be too much cruft
  157. May 03 12:42:56 <maxwell>       I'm even ok saying IE8
  158. May 03 12:43:00 <maxwell>       but if you can work magic
  159. May 03 12:43:03 <maxwell>       <3
  160. May 03 12:43:18 <maxwell>       we have been going pretty hard on the css3 stuffs
  161. May 03 12:43:19 <luke_> not sure about JavaScript, because IE7 doesn't support some of the newer parts of the ECMAscript standard
  162. May 03 12:43:32 <maxwell>       yeah i don't think we use any fancy new JS right now
  163. May 03 12:43:39 <maxwell>       mostly css id imagine
  164. May 03 12:43:45 <maxwell>       and then weird box model junk
  165. May 03 12:43:48 <luke_> a lot of stuff is doable via polyfills
  166. May 03 12:43:58 <maxwell>       cool, that would be great
  167. May 03 12:44:02 <luke_> so my question was IE7+ would be good?
  168. May 03 12:44:20 <luke_> IE7 and up I meant
  169. May 03 12:44:21 <DeadSuperHero> If you can swing it, do it.
  170. May 03 12:44:35 <maxwell>       yes that would be fine.  I'd even be cool with IE8+, if that makes your life an order of magnitude easier
  171. May 03 12:44:37 <DeadSuperHero> We'd be willing to take a look at your Pull Request and test out your fixes.
  172. May 03 12:45:12 *       Topolivan (~AndChat20@89.204.138.7) has joined #diaspora-meeting
  173. May 03 12:45:18 <luke_> Okay cool, I'll probably go on the dev channel this weekend and get diaspora setup properly
  174. May 03 12:45:30 <DeadSuperHero> Sweet. If you have any questions, hit us up. We'll be around.
  175. May 03 12:45:35 <luke_> cool
  176. May 03 12:45:36 <luke_> cheers
  177. May 03 12:45:39 <DeadSuperHero> :)
  178. May 03 12:45:42 <mathis__>      daniel posted this a lot of time ago. https://joindiaspora.com/tags/workinovertime?q=%23workinovertime are you planning a redesign of the stream ?
  179. May 03 12:45:45 <maxwell>       yeah, installing on windows might be an epic journey it its own right :P
  180. May 03 12:46:05 <maxwell>       mathis__: lots of redesigns are going to happen.  that particular one was halted
  181. May 03 12:46:17 <maxwell>       but we are always trying to think about new designs
  182. May 03 12:46:26 <DeadSuperHero> Ways to do things better.
  183. May 03 12:46:40 <luke_> I could get it running on Linux first, once I understand the platform better I will have a go at Windows install
  184. May 03 12:46:41 <maxwell>       but much of the designs going forward are going to be about cutting diaspora down to its essence
  185. May 03 12:46:59 <maxwell>       making cool shit, sharing it where you want to, and owning it, and being proud of it
  186. May 03 12:47:09 <maxwell>       luke_: sounds great
  187. May 03 12:47:22 <DeadSuperHero> pubis, did you have a question?
  188. May 03 12:48:02 <pubis> yeah! you mentioned a NEW_HOTNESS flag… care to explain more… I wan't the new profile on my pod like right now (:
  189. May 03 12:48:33 <maxwell>       :)
  190. May 03 12:48:42 <maxwell>       so you just need to start your server
  191. May 03 12:48:52 <maxwell>       NEW_HOTNESS=yesplze rails s
  192. May 03 12:48:57 <maxwell>       or however you start your server
  193. May 03 12:49:02 <maxwell>       and then just make sure you have a beta role
  194. May 03 12:49:16 <maxwell>       so in your production consoel
  195. May 03 12:49:25 <maxwell>       Role.add_beta(pubis.person)
  196. May 03 12:49:43 <pubis> oh, that easy (: so it's just a env-variable passed on when starting the server
  197. May 03 12:49:57 <maxwell>       yup
  198. May 03 12:50:03 <maxwell>       you can look in
  199. May 03 12:50:05 <pubis> the role thing i worked out, but i don't wan't to add ex=true manually
  200. May 03 12:50:09 <maxwell>       app/model/feature_flagger.rb
  201. May 03 12:50:26 <maxwell>       that might shed some light to the magic™
  202. May 03 12:50:46 <pubis> awesome! thanks!
  203. May 03 12:50:52 <maxwell>       thank you for asking
  204. May 03 12:50:57 <pubis> one more Q:
  205. May 03 12:50:59 <maxwell>       yes
  206. May 03 12:51:59 <pubis> I have finally got the dev-env setup nicely and wan't to contribute something and was thinking of an auto URL-shortener… something like twitter and t.co
  207. May 03 12:51:59 <Topolivan>     Hi everyone, I just joined now (sorry, German course), I'd have a question,if I'm allowed :-)
  208. May 03 12:52:15 <DeadSuperHero> Go for it, Topolivan
  209. May 03 12:52:24 <maxwell>       pubis
  210. May 03 12:52:27 <maxwell>       this is a good idea
  211. May 03 12:52:35 <maxwell>       actually, it should be on the wishlsit
  212. May 03 12:52:45 <pubis> it could be hooked to a service like bit.ly or something like that,… thoughts?
  213. May 03 12:52:54 <maxwell>       yeah
  214. May 03 12:52:59 <maxwell>       i think bitty is a good fallback
  215. May 03 12:53:06 <maxwell>       maybe people might want to pass it their own
  216. May 03 12:53:15 <maxwell>       we should move the discussion the mailing list
  217. May 03 12:53:18 <maxwell>       some of our thoughts about it
  218. May 03 12:53:24 <pubis> exactly… own your links!
  219. May 03 12:53:25 *       maxwell fishes for an old link
  220. May 03 12:53:28 <maxwell>       brb
  221. May 03 12:53:51 <maxwell>       this is interesting
  222. May 03 12:53:52 <maxwell>       http://tantek.pbworks.com/w/page/21743973/Whistle
  223. May 03 12:54:05 <maxwell>       but tantek has lots of good thinking about maintaining attribution
  224. May 03 12:54:08 <maxwell>       and owning your own links
  225. May 03 12:54:20 <maxwell>       i don't think its essential to be word for word
  226. May 03 12:54:21 <Topolivan>     Thanks! I was thinking of implementing a feature to allow the user to create 'stream shortcuts'. That is to say, the possibility to store different streams filtering by aspects and tags
  227. May 03 12:54:34 <DeadSuperHero> Interesting.
  228. May 03 12:54:42 <maxwell>       Topolivan: i think much of that is going to change relatively soon
  229. May 03 12:54:49 <maxwell>       i think filters will be a part of it
  230. May 03 12:55:02 <maxwell>       but i can't guarantee we wouldn't blow away some of your changes
  231. May 03 12:55:20 <Topolivan>     So, i dont know if i should start working or join sime group...
  232. May 03 12:56:01 <maxwell>       you should join the mailing list, but again, it might be a volatile part of the code to start hacking on
  233. May 03 12:56:11 <maxwell>       pubis: so we should start a discussion
  234. May 03 12:56:13 <maxwell>       on diaspora-dev
  235. May 03 12:56:19 <maxwell>       so everyone can see our thinking
  236. May 03 12:56:26 <maxwell>       sound good?
  237. May 03 12:56:27 <pubis> ok, whistle look really cool. I'll do some more research and we'll continue on the mailing list..
  238. May 03 12:56:27 <DeadSuperHero> Same goes to Toplovian. Start a thread, get a discussion going
  239. May 03 12:56:32 <Topolivan>     I'm in the mail list actually :-)
  240. May 03 12:56:34 <pubis> sounds super
  241. May 03 12:56:34 <DeadSuperHero> :)
  242. May 03 12:56:38 <maxwell>       yay
  243. May 03 12:56:39 <Topolivan>     Cool
  244. May 03 12:56:47 <Topolivan>     I'll do it later
  245. May 03 12:57:22 <Topolivan>     Guys, I love your work, see you later then
  246. May 03 12:57:25 *       offSchub is now known as DenSchub
  247. May 03 12:57:35 <DeadSuperHero> Thanks Topolivan <3
  248. May 03 12:57:36 <DeadSuperHero> See ya.
  249. May 03 12:57:41 <DeadSuperHero> Any other questions?
  250. May 03 12:57:43 <pubis> yeah i'm on the list too… just very very quiet
  251. May 03 12:57:47 <pubis> :D
  252. May 03 12:57:53 <maxwell>       damn lurkers
  253. May 03 12:58:00 <maxwell>       "there coming outta the walls man!""
  254. May 03 12:58:09 <maxwell>       :D
  255. May 03 12:58:10 <luke_> lol
  256. May 03 12:58:11 <DenSchub>      oh. hi. :D
  257. May 03 12:58:12 <Topolivan>     Hahaha
  258. May 03 12:58:14 <pubis> hehe
  259. May 03 12:58:24 <maxwell>       y'all a bunch of jerks
  260. May 03 12:58:27 <maxwell>       hey short survey
  261. May 03 12:58:31 <maxwell>       are these meetings helpful?
  262. May 03 12:58:36 <luke_> yep
  263. May 03 12:58:40 <xador> yep
  264. May 03 12:58:43 <Topolivan>     Totally
  265. May 03 12:58:43 <maxwell>       DeadSuperHero: and i always feel like we are talking to ourselfs
  266. May 03 12:58:43 <luke_> well for me today it was
  267. May 03 12:58:47 <maxwell>       ok
  268. May 03 12:58:47 <maxwell>       ok
  269. May 03 12:58:52 <DeadSuperHero> maxwell, yeah I know that feel, bro.
  270. May 03 12:58:52 <maxwell>       i appreciate chatting
  271. May 03 12:59:06 <pubis> yep
  272. May 03 12:59:10 <maxwell>       we want to be available to like to do AMA here
  273. May 03 12:59:12 <Topolivan>     There must be this 'little pills' to keep the momentum
  274. May 03 12:59:18 <pubis> man my client is lagging behind… annoying
  275. May 03 12:59:21 <luke_> @DSH I think it like a meeting in the office, it good to get an overall update
  276. May 03 12:59:26 <maxwell>       because sometimes its disrubtive during the week
  277. May 03 12:59:27 <SlackerD>      indeed
  278. May 03 12:59:27 <DeadSuperHero> Yeah, definitely.
  279. May 03 12:59:30 <maxwell>       since we are scrumming
  280. May 03 12:59:36 <maxwell>       distruptive
  281. May 03 12:59:38 <maxwell>       whatever
  282. May 03 12:59:41 <maxwell>       spelling is lame
  283. May 03 13:00:01 <DeadSuperHero> But yeah, it's good to have the logs around at least.
  284. May 03 13:00:04 <DeadSuperHero> Keep everyone in the loop.
  285. May 03 13:00:09 <Topolivan>     Btw, i feel like 15 year old using the IRC. Love it
  286. May 03 13:00:13 <DeadSuperHero> <33333
  287. May 03 13:00:15 <Topolivan>     :-)
  288. May 03 13:00:19 <DeadSuperHero> Good memories.
  289. May 03 13:00:24 <maxwell>       HACKERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE
  290. May 03 13:00:25 <Topolivan>     Totally
  291. May 03 13:00:29 <DeadSuperHero> Okay, so I think that about wraps us up for this week?
  292. May 03 13:00:29 <luke_> lol
  293. May 03 13:00:30 <Topolivan>     Hahaha
  294. May 03 13:00:47 <Topolivan>     For me yes
  295. May 03 13:00:54 <mathis__>      can you tell us approximately when we'll see these new (amazing) stuff ?
  296. May 03 13:01:11 <maxwell>       as soon as i can physically write it
  297. May 03 13:01:14 <DeadSuperHero> Putting a date on it wouldn't exactly be realistic, I think. It'll be ready when it's ready.
  298. May 03 13:01:37 <maxwell>       yeah i mean its important to note
  299. May 03 13:01:44 *       Topolivan is now known as RaulCano
  300. May 03 13:01:59 <maxwell>       this is all about getting learnings
  301. May 03 13:02:09 <maxwell>       so things can and will change quickly
  302. May 03 13:02:20 <maxwell>       its about doing stuff, getting validated (or shot down)
  303. May 03 13:02:26 <maxwell>       and making it better or moving on
  304. May 03 13:02:35 <maxwell>       its an organic process, not a overly planned one
  305. May 03 13:02:43 <DeadSuperHero> SCIENCE!
  306. May 03 13:02:43 <luke_> are you guys doing anything like A/B testing?
  307. May 03 13:02:44 <RaulCano>      Are u using any PM app, like redmine or so?
  308. May 03 13:02:55 <luke_> or hotspot analysis?
  309. May 03 13:02:58 <maxwell>       we use Pivotal Tracker for the core team work
  310. May 03 13:03:04 <maxwell>       luke_: we actually need to do more of that
  311. May 03 13:03:09 <maxwell>       do you have a lib you have some experience with
  312. May 03 13:03:14 <luke_> no
  313. May 03 13:03:28 <maxwell>       i would actually be interested in contributions around user metrics, in the name of sciecne
  314. May 03 13:03:46 <maxwell>       we are actually a/b testing our group of firends
  315. May 03 13:03:53 <maxwell>       with the new profile/publisher/single post view
  316. May 03 13:04:00 <luke_> I seen a lot of stuff on the smashing network about it, but some of the articles from a dev standpoint are a bit wholly
  317. May 03 13:04:00 <maxwell>       we are actually re-inviting all of our friends to test it out
  318. May 03 13:04:03 <maxwell>       just those 3 things
  319. May 03 13:04:21 <maxwell>       kinda hiding all of the old-diaspora stuff from there
  320. May 03 13:04:22 <maxwell>       them
  321. May 03 13:04:27 <luke_> If I am understanding it correctly
  322. May 03 13:04:54 <luke_> it maybe worth having a pod that some people are randomly directed to or can choose to do testing?
  323. May 03 13:05:35 <maxwell>       we actually talked about that
  324. May 03 13:05:47 <luke_> I must have missed it
  325. May 03 13:05:49 <luke_> sorry
  326. May 03 13:05:51 <maxwell>       the current way beta is being sliced, some old core diaspora features are just not present
  327. May 03 13:05:58 <maxwell>       no we talked about it interanlly
  328. May 03 13:06:00 <maxwell>       :)
  329. May 03 13:06:02 <maxwell>       internally
  330. May 03 13:06:31 <maxwell>       since everything is changing rapidly, and we get inbound complaints when we move stuff around
  331. May 03 13:06:40 <maxwell>       even though people are alpha users :/
  332. May 03 13:07:04 <luke_> I see, i.e. the "friction" DSH was talking about
  333. May 03 13:07:31 <luke_> I dunno how you guys work
  334. May 03 13:07:52 <luke_> but I normally deploy changes in "changesets" at work (I use SourceSafe and I am still recovering)
  335. May 03 13:08:32 <maxwell>       are those to only a group of users/
  336. May 03 13:08:32 <luke_> do you guys do anything similar? is there a wiki page I can look at?
  337. May 03 13:08:40 <maxwell>       we use heroku
  338. May 03 13:08:47 <maxwell>       and just deploy from our master branch
  339. May 03 13:08:55 <maxwell>       and have been using feature flags as of late
  340. May 03 13:09:24 <luke_> okay
  341. May 03 13:09:46 <luke_> sorry I come from a very corporate background
  342. May 03 13:09:50 <maxwell>       no problem
  343. May 03 13:10:07 <maxwell>       we come from an asshat, doing crazy stuff for fun background :P
  344. May 03 13:10:18 <RaulCano>      Haha
  345. May 03 13:10:20 <luke_> :D
  346. May 03 13:10:27 <maxwell>       :D
  347. May 03 13:10:34 <RaulCano>      That's the best
  348. May 03 13:10:50 <maxwell>       actually, this is the best
  349. May 03 13:10:50 <maxwell>       https://github.com/mroth/lolcommits
  350. May 03 13:10:59 <DeadSuperHero> Yes.
  351. May 03 13:11:06 <DeadSuperHero> Some of the best pictures evar.
  352. May 03 13:11:16 *       pubis is restarting pod. new hotness? well yes pleaze
  353. May 03 13:11:46 <RaulCano>      How often are these IRC meetings,guys?
  354. May 03 13:11:52 <maxwell>       every other thursday
  355. May 03 13:12:03 <luke_> what time GMT?
  356. May 03 13:12:07 <maxwell>       uhhh
  357. May 03 13:12:11 <maxwell>       umm
  358. May 03 13:12:12 <DeadSuperHero> Well, it's 10 PST
  359. May 03 13:12:13 <luke_> well whichever
  360. May 03 13:12:19 <DeadSuperHero> 12 Central time
  361. May 03 13:12:21 <luke_> okay
  362. May 03 13:12:23 <maxwell>       west coast america time
  363. May 03 13:12:30 <luke_> I will work it out from PST time
  364. May 03 13:12:39 <maxwell>       where are you located?
  365. May 03 13:12:43 <luke_> I am on GMT+1
  366. May 03 13:12:46 <luke_> Gibraltar
  367. May 03 13:13:02 <RaulCano>      Hi you!
  368. May 03 13:13:15 <RaulCano>      I'm from Marbella :-)
  369. May 03 13:13:22 <luke_> :D
  370. May 03 13:13:34 <luke_> I live near La Linea
  371. May 03 13:13:39 <pubis> 1900 in GMT+1
  372. May 03 13:13:46 <RaulCano>      Same time zone :-p
  373. May 03 13:13:52 <xador> valencia here
  374. May 03 13:14:01 <luke_> it is DST here, so 8pm
  375. May 03 13:14:22 <pubis> I'm GMT+1 too… but a couple hundred miles north i guess
  376. May 03 13:14:23 <RaulCano>      :-)
  377. May 03 13:14:33 <luke_> longitude got to love it
  378. May 03 13:14:47 <DeadSuperHero> Anyway, I gotta run guys. I'll put the logs up in like 20 minutes. :P
  379. May 03 13:14:56 <luke_> cheers DSH
  380. May 03 13:14:58 <DeadSuperHero> <333
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