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  1. [7:33 PM] Trump and Mitch's Last Christmas: Your run for President due to Ninja not being conservative enough @NCY1689
  2. [7:33 PM] 2020 was kinda cringe: what
  3. [7:34 PM] NCY1689: This reminds me of that time someone posted that I wouldn't accept a deal with Blair, right before posting that we made a deal in Oct 2016
  4. [7:35 PM] Governor カービィ: what would have to happen for
  5. [7:35 PM] Governor カービィ: the 2016 re-runs
  6. [7:35 PM] Governor カービィ: to repeat
  7. [7:35 PM] 2020 was kinda cringe: i can see the confeds rebelling
  8. [7:36 PM] Pericles: oh yeah at this point we have learned not to overestimate the Federalist Party's level of ideological principle
  9. [7:36 PM] Pericles: "not Labor" is all that matters for you people. If I ever left Labor, you'd probably beg me to be your nominee lol.
  10. [7:36 PM] NCY1689: You certainly tried to read some ideology into us the past few days Pericles
  11. [7:37 PM] 2020 was kinda cringe: @Pericles "Labor" is all that matters for you people. If I ever left DA, you'd probably beg me to be your nominee lol
  12. [7:37 PM] Pericles: no, because you were inactive and incompetent as President, and you wouldn't deliver us any votes lol.
  13. [7:38 PM] Pericles: Labor gets to be selective with our nominees because we are both principled and actually have a quality bench.
  14. [7:38 PM] NCY1689: Certainly does undermine that ad from Augsust about ending the war doesn't it
  15. [7:39 PM] 2020 was kinda cringe: we're also selective. Ninja has had experience at almost every level of government, and has a good track record. We're principled too. It just seems like to you all "non-labor" people are idiots. If you all weren't so abrasive maybe we'd be working with you all a lot more.
  16. [7:40 PM] Pericles: Ninja always goes inactive and deregisters for every term lol. And you guys are a weird, vague mix of ideologies, all that holds you together is disliking Labor.
  17. [7:41 PM] Pericles: I don't quite get why you are so hateful towards the party that gave you the presidency, but I'm not going to get hung up about it.
  18. [7:42 PM] 2020 was kinda cringe: It's not Labor. It's Labor leadership. Why is this so fucking difficult to understand
  19. [7:43 PM] 2020 was kinda cringe: And DA is pretty much a center to center-left group. Yes, there is a small group of center-rightists and 1 prominent leftist, but overall the party's not a "vague mix of ideologies".
  20. [7:44 PM] NCY1689: He wants Left versus Trump
  21. [7:44 PM] NCY1689: That is a 90%-10% election here
  22. [7:44 PM] NCY1689: maybe 80%-20%
  23. [7:44 PM] NCY1689: politics creates its own parity to restore equilibrium
  24. [7:44 PM] NCY1689: after a couple cycles
  25. [7:45 PM] NCY1689: You cannot sustain an ideology without the demographics to back it up
  26. [7:45 PM] 2020 was kinda cringe: It boggles me how Labor leaders don't seem to realize that total domination would destroy the game. Ever since the rise of DA we've seen a ton of activity because suddenly Labor actually has a chance of losing for once in several cycles.
  27. [7:45 PM] NCY1689: so all of the people here
  28. [7:45 PM] NCY1689: and yes even some on the right as well like Fhtagn
  29. [7:45 PM] NCY1689: when they spout the "Jessica is the only real Republican here" need to keep in mind is
  30. [7:45 PM] NCY1689: The RL GOP collapsed in 2005
  31. [7:46 PM] NCY1689: for a reason
  32. [7:46 PM] NCY1689: Of the ten or so people who responded to my poll
  33. [7:46 PM] Pericles: It should be obvious that it's embarrassing for the Feds to twice nominate actual left wingers
  34. [7:46 PM] NCY1689: not 1 said they support banning Gay marriage
  35. [7:46 PM] NCY1689: I would guess 30% of Feds actually do
  36. [7:46 PM] NCY1689: if everyone responded
  37. [7:46 PM] NCY1689: This isn;t real life
  38. [7:46 PM] NCY1689: we are not the Republicns
  39. [7:46 PM] Pericles: The Feds should nominate someone who is in line with their ideology at least
  40. [7:47 PM] Governor カービィ: didn't atlasia have no really rw parties
  41. [7:47 PM] Governor カービィ: in 2005
  42. [7:47 PM] NCY1689: YOU DON"T EVEN UNDERSTAND OUR FING IDEOLOGY
  43. [7:47 PM] Governor カービィ: to 2009
  44. [7:47 PM] Pericles: Labor has not actually tried any harder at winning elections since the DA formed
  45. [7:47 PM] Governor カービィ: or so
  46. [7:47 PM] Pericles: We always take winning seriously
  47. [7:47 PM] NCY1689: Tell me what our ideology is Pericles
  48. [7:47 PM] NCY1689: since you are such a damn expert on the subject
  49. [7:48 PM] Governor カービィ: as it was RL Colombia personality outfits
  50. [7:48 PM] Governor カービィ: in style
  51. [7:48 PM] badger: Lol
  52. [7:49 PM] badger: Labor doesn't give a shit about ideology
  53. [7:49 PM] 2020 was kinda cringe: @Pericles sending PMs to a zombie horde is not really too difficult.
  54. [7:49 PM] Pericles: Come on Yankee you know your party's efforts have been plain embrassing
  55. [7:49 PM] badger: This game is polarized between either being loyal to Labor
  56. [7:49 PM] NCY1689: No games Pericles
  57. [7:49 PM] badger: Or not being loyal
  58. [7:49 PM] NCY1689: tell me what the Federalist ideology is
  59. [7:49 PM] NCY1689: RIGHT NOW
  60. [7:49 PM] 2020 was kinda cringe:
  61. [7:50 PM] Pericles: Ffs, you literally nominated two lefties.
  62. [7:50 PM] badger: He'd get bonus points for saying small f federalism :wink:
  63. [7:50 PM] NCY1689: SHut up and answer me
  64. [7:50 PM] Pericles: Unless you are saying you have no ideology.
  65. [7:50 PM] Ninja0428: I think this is the most heated I've ever seen Yankee get
  66. [7:50 PM] badger: Answer the Yank
  67. [7:50 PM] 2020 was kinda cringe: Answer the damn question
  68. [7:50 PM] Pericles: Lol you people are pathetic
  69. [7:50 PM] 2020 was kinda cringe: I get we’re pretending to be politicians here
  70. [7:50 PM] NCY1689: You ain't seen 2009 @Ninja0428
  71. [7:51 PM] 2020 was kinda cringe: But this level of dodging is just
  72. [7:51 PM] badger: Says the Kiwi basement dweller @Pericles
  73. [7:51 PM] badger: We don't even know which island he lives on!
  74. [7:51 PM] Ninja0428: @Pericles Why do you care so much about Labor dominating everything and smashing everyone else? That's pathetic.
  75. [7:51 PM] NCY1689: You don't know jack shit about our party Pericles
  76. [7:51 PM] Pericles: The Feds should nominate someone vaguely right wing, they're just a joke
  77. [7:51 PM] NCY1689: or the ATlasian right
  78. [7:51 PM] 2020 was kinda cringe:
  79. [7:51 PM] Pericles: Your actions speak very clearly
  80. [7:51 PM] NCY1689: All you understand is Trumpism and that is what you want from us
  81. [7:52 PM] NCY1689: and evangelicalism
  82. [7:52 PM] 2020 was kinda cringe: And the only people like that are a tiny contingent of like 5 people
  83. [7:52 PM] Pericles: Explain to me why you did not nominate someone who is actually right wing in the last two presidential elections.
  84. [7:52 PM] badger: Peri doesn't even understand booze and hookers
  85. [7:52 PM] Pericles: The Siren nomination? Come on
  86. [7:52 PM] badger: And he obsesses with grabbing our guns
  87. [7:52 PM] badger: Like wtf dude lol
  88. [7:53 PM] NCY1689: WE DONT FUCKING CARE ABOUT THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
  89. [7:53 PM] NCY1689: Nobody wants to run for it
  90. [7:53 PM] badger: Labor broke the game
  91. [7:53 PM] Pericles: That proves my point
  92. [7:53 PM] NCY1689: You don't have a point
  93. [7:53 PM] Pericles: That you're a joke party, an embarrassment.
  94. [7:53 PM] NCY1689: you are talking out of your ass as usual
  95. [7:54 PM] NCY1689: if you understood the right in this game
  96. [7:54 PM] NCY1689: you would understand
  97. [7:54 PM] badger: When is Peri gonna get out of his basement
  98. [7:54 PM] NCY1689: but now, you expect the right to be like a mirror of you
  99. [7:54 PM] badger: And get laid
  100. [7:54 PM] NCY1689: it will never
  101. [7:54 PM] NCY1689: never be that way
  102. [7:54 PM] NCY1689: in this game
  103. [7:54 PM] Pericles: I'm talking out of my ass?! You're the one trying to justify your constant losing and embarrassment.
  104. [7:54 PM] NCY1689: I am not justifying anything
  105. [7:55 PM] 2020 was kinda cringe: Because you broke the fucking game. People outside of labor have next to no fucking chance and people are losing interest.
  106. [7:55 PM] NCY1689: I am unloading my rage at your constant quest to define us on your terms
  107. [7:55 PM] NCY1689: Lets try this a different way
  108. [7:55 PM] NCY1689: What is the one issue that 100% of Federalists agree on
  109. [7:56 PM] NCY1689: Don't give it to him
  110. [7:56 PM] NCY1689: anybody
  111. [7:56 PM] badger: Lol
  112. [7:56 PM] NCY1689: @Pericles
  113. [7:56 PM] badger: No cheating!
  114. [7:56 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ: labor bad
  115. [7:56 PM] NCY1689: What is the one issue that virtually ever Fed agrees on
  116. [7:56 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ: i jsut said it
  117. [7:56 PM] NCY1689: issues not horse race bullshit MB
  118. [7:56 PM] NCY1689: answer me
  119. [7:56 PM] Ninja0428: I feel like its kinda obvious
  120. [7:56 PM] badger: I'm watching the who's online
  121. [7:57 PM] badger: So answer it now
  122. [7:57 PM] badger: Peri
  123. [7:57 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ: wht is it
  124. [7:57 PM] badger: You should know too
  125. [7:57 PM] badger: @ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ
  126. [7:57 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ: capitali$m?
  127. [7:58 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ: guns?
  128. [7:58 PM] NCY1689: I am waiting
  129. [7:58 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ: ah
  130. [7:58 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ: regionalism
  131. [7:58 PM] NCY1689: You guys spend all fucking day talking
  132. [7:58 PM] NCY1689: and it takes you six tries to get the answer
  133. [7:58 PM] NCY1689: Should Politicians Resist Centralism
  134. Yes 100%
  135. No 0%
  136. [7:58 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ: yeah
  137. [7:58 PM] Pericles: Ha ha @2020 was kinda cringe
  138. [7:58 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ: its in the name i guess
  139. [7:58 PM] NCY1689: Its the only thing that the right has unified on
  140. [7:59 PM] NCY1689: for the past 12 years
  141. [7:59 PM] NCY1689: in game
  142. [7:59 PM] NCY1689: not religion
  143. [7:59 PM] Pericles: You people really struggled to get an obvious point that we've been over time and time again
  144. [7:59 PM] NCY1689: not social issues
  145. [7:59 PM] NCY1689: not tax cuts
  146. [7:59 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ: did y'all do a survey
  147. [7:59 PM] badger: Answer it @Pericles
  148. [7:59 PM] NCY1689: certainly not Trumpism
  149. [7:59 PM] badger: You should know if we did
  150. [7:59 PM] badger: @ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ
  151. [7:59 PM] NCY1689: I have done 4 of these surveys
  152. [7:59 PM] Pericles: Gosh you still don't understand
  153. [7:59 PM] NCY1689: always either 95% or 100%
  154. [7:59 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ: i dont have info on your server
  155. [7:59 PM] NCY1689: on that question
  156. [7:59 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ: so idk
  157. [7:59 PM] badger: It's on the forum
  158. [7:59 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ: wait huh
  159. [7:59 PM] NCY1689: same in 2017 same now
  160. [7:59 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ: oh is it in the Fed convention thread or something
  161. [8:00 PM] badger:
  162.  
  163. [8:00 PM] badger: Lolol
  164. [8:00 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ:
  165.  
  166. [8:00 PM] badger: @Pericles
  167. [8:00 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ:
  168.  
  169. [8:00 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ:
  170.  
  171. [8:00 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ:
  172.  
  173. [8:01 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ: lots of agreement here
  174. [8:01 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ: but not many replies
  175. [8:01 PM] Oregon Blue Dog: assuming jessica didn't do this survey from the last one
  176. [8:01 PM] NCY1689: You didn't read what I said
  177. [8:01 PM] NCY1689: Those other numbers have varied
  178. [8:01 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ: yes i know
  179. [8:01 PM] NCY1689: over 4 surveys
  180. [8:01 PM] NCY1689: the one I highlighted has not
  181. [8:02 PM] Ishan: I die inside when someone attacks the feds for supporting tax cuts
  182. [8:02 PM] NCY1689: This one was lower response rates
  183. [8:02 PM] NCY1689: but it is mostly newer people who didn't take the last ones
  184. [8:02 PM] Ishan: Yankee would allow a socialist regionist
  185. [8:02 PM] NCY1689: Correction
  186. [8:02 PM] NCY1689: I would allow it to the extent that I would oppose federal intervention to stop it
  187. [8:03 PM] NCY1689: but I would oppose it at the regional level
  188. [8:03 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ: its shocking how many states dont allow knife concealed carry
  189. [8:03 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ: its a tragedy
  190. [8:03 PM] ግርማ ሞገሱ ፣ ፕሬዚዳንቱ: i didnt really even know that until pretty recently
  191. [8:04 PM] NCY1689: Jessica represents a block of the party, but it is not the whole party
  192. [8:05 PM] NCY1689: There has only been one means to unify and succeed as a right in this game
  193. [8:06 PM] NCY1689: and that is oppose you centralist "fixers" who want to fix everything from on high for the simple act of fixing from the federal level
  194. [8:06 PM] badger: It's so funny how Jessica triggers Labor so much
  195. [8:06 PM] badger: Just for existing
  196. [8:06 PM] NCY1689: That means encompassing a range of people, from those who denie the issue exists, to those who don't want gov't action on it, to those who want action, but not federally
  197. [8:07 PM] 2020 was kinda cringe: I mean I don’t like her either. I think she’s honestly a liability for you all right now. But that’s my two cents.
  198. [8:07 PM] NCY1689: I contacted 10 people about joining
  199. [8:07 PM] NCY1689: a week ago
  200. [8:07 PM] NCY1689: only one did
  201. [8:08 PM] NCY1689: I really cannot afford to toss out an officeholding member because it triggers the left for them to be here
  202. 8:08 PM] NCY1689: She will do what she feels is right to represent her house base and our other house members will vote to serve their base like Cao
  203. 8:10 PM] badger: Ofc Labor doesn't understand that
  204. [8:10 PM] badger: Cuz it's all about falling in line and being loyal
  205. [8:11 PM] badger: Be a good little Laborite
  206. [8:11 PM] badger: It's ridiculous how that became so appealing
  207. [8:11 PM] badger: Considering how Labor flopped hard in 2017
  208. [8:12 PM] Ishan: Yeah, it is like a mob
  209. [8:12 PM] Ishan: the mo
  210. [8:12 PM] Ishan: mob
  211. [8:12 PM] NCY1689: Ideologies have to have demographic basis to exist and if they don't, then equilibrium will be restored one way or another
  212. [8:12 PM] badger: Yep
  213. [8:12 PM] badger: That's why the game is now Labor vs. Not-Labor
  214. [8:12 PM] badger: Since Labor chose to become a non-ideological blob
  215. [8:13 PM] badger: That stands for nothing but power
  216. 9:55 PM] Free the JIMMY7812: What’s going on
  217. [9:58 PM] Ishan: This started on how the Feds have no principles to talking about al
  218. [9:58 PM] Ishan: the past
  219. [9:58 PM] Ishan: In atlasia
  220. [9:58 PM] Pericles: that wasn't my point, my point was that they're a joke party for not nominating someone ideologically in line with them for President
  221. [9:59 PM] Pericles: ofc they have an ideology, they're just randomly failing to advance it or fight for it
  222. 9:59 PM] Ishan: It’s anti centralizm
  223. [9:59 PM] Ishan: Centralism
  224. [10:00 PM] Ishan: Because we don’t have zombies that don’t care or a prqgcord
  225. [10:00 PM] NCY1689: Who in the era of "you lose its over" mentality in their right minds
  226. [10:00 PM] NCY1689: would charge into the horde of Labor vote zombies
  227. [10:01 PM] Pericles: still, you're just giving up and I don't respect that
  228. [10:01 PM] Ishan: I seriously thought of leaving the game after I lost
  229. [10:01 PM] Ishan: I’m not
  230. [10:01 PM] Ishan: We are trying our best
  231. [10:01 PM] Pericles: no I meant to yankee
  232. [10:01 PM] Pericles: yankee/the Feds are giving up
  233. [10:01 PM] Pericles: not you
  234. [10:02 PM] NCY1689: no
  235. [10:02 PM] Pericles: they might be starting again now, but they still probably won't nominate an actual Fed ticket
  236. [10:02 PM] NCY1689: we are just not playing your game, your way
  237. [10:02 PM] Pericles: which is just weak
  238. [10:02 PM] NCY1689: and you cannot comprehend that
  239. [10:02 PM] Ishan: We can be smeared as rightists if a d avater joins the Feds/DA
  240. [10:02 PM] Ishan: That’s why eveyone is on discord
  241. [10:02 PM] Pericles: our way is standing up for our principles, you just roll over and don't even bother running someone for the presidency
  242. [10:02 PM] Ishan: we try to
  243. [10:03 PM] Pericles: yeah again, talking to yankee
  244. [10:03 PM] Oregon Blue Dog: tbf that's the politically logical thing for the feds to do
  245. [10:03 PM] Ishan: Their principles is REGIONAL RIGHTS
  246. [10:03 PM] Oregon Blue Dog: utilizing the beat-labor mentality
  247. [10:03 PM] Oregon Blue Dog: best to get a more amenable guy in the white house
  248. [10:03 PM] Pericles: not really, Siren and Koopa did no better than an actual Fed would have done
  249. [10:03 PM] Ishan: It is REGIONAL RIGHTS
  250. [10:03 PM] Pericles: so it's just giving up for absolutely no gain
  251. [10:03 PM] Oregon Blue Dog: though honestly, given cross-preferencing, even if feds ran a candidate they could still implicitly support DA
  252. [10:04 PM] Pericles: yeah there isn't logic to it, it's just weakness
  253. [10:04 PM] NCY1689: Ishan quit spamming
  254. [10:04 PM] NCY1689: Everything you don't understand is weakness
  255. [10:04 PM] NCY1689: so is everything you fear
  256. [10:05 PM] NCY1689: You cannot comprehend it, so you brush it off as weakness to feel superior about yourself
  257. [10:05 PM] Pericles: Do you actually believe these pathetic excuses and gibberish?
  258. [10:06 PM] Pericles: Get real.
  259. [10:06 PM] NCY1689: I am more in touch with the reality over here
  260. [10:07 PM] NCY1689: then over there
  261. [10:07 PM] Pericles: well have another look at your election results then:wink:
  262. [10:07 PM] Oregon Blue Dog: ooh battle of the titans grabs popcorn
  263. [10:08 PM] NCY1689: If its math you are interested in, PiT's math course is just down the hall
  264. [10:08 PM] NCY1689: we are talking philosophy
  265. [10:08 PM] Pericles: it's not as complicated as you're making it, it's very simple actually and I have repeated myself probably dozens of times now
  266. [10:09 PM] NCY1689: Its common for people who don't understand what they are talking about, to openly declare its simplicity
  267. [10:09 PM] NCY1689: they basically give up the fact they are out of their depth
  268. [10:09 PM] NCY1689: I have told you
  269. [10:10 PM] NCY1689: dozens of times
  270. [10:10 PM] Pericles: that you're a weak party that is just giving up?
  271. [10:10 PM] NCY1689: The right is disengaged because their is little path to success
  272. [10:10 PM] Pericles: go on...
  273. [10:10 PM] Pericles: well yes, that is basically my point. You're still a weak joke party.
  274. [10:10 PM] NCY1689: We are a great party, built on a narrow demographic base
  275. [10:10 PM] NCY1689: You people
  276. [10:10 PM] NCY1689: You freaking annoying people
  277. [10:11 PM] NCY1689: you already have the recruitment advantage against these demographics
  278. [10:11 PM] NCY1689: you then take a substantial percentage of our people via ideological transformation
  279. [10:11 PM] NCY1689: then you have the gal lto lecture us on being a weak party
  280. [10:11 PM] NCY1689: YOU WOULDNT SURVIVE A month with the conditions on the right
  281. [10:11 PM] Pericles: So? You guys still are doing the same or worse than you'd do if you just actually fight for the presidency yourselves.
  282. [10:11 PM] NCY1689: You lefties are the fucking weaklings
  283. [10:12 PM] NCY1689: you have the numbers to spare
  284. [10:12 PM] NCY1689: numbers to piss away
  285. [10:12 PM] NCY1689: numbers to be discerning
  286. [10:12 PM] NCY1689: numbers to not care
  287. [10:12 PM] NCY1689: numbers to make your playing this game ten times easier then us
  288. [10:12 PM] Pericles: FFS, the bulk of the Labor leadership myself included built our dominance from a weak base too
  289. [10:12 PM] Pericles: while you squandered your dominance once the real talent in your party left
  290. [10:12 PM] NCY1689: bullshit
  291. [10:12 PM] NCY1689: you just cornered a natural electoral advantage and got them all in aline
  292. [10:13 PM] NCY1689: you removed the obstacles and led gravity do the rest
  293. [10:13 PM] NCY1689: we are fighting agaisnt gravity
  294. [10:13 PM] NCY1689: how fing hard is that to understand
  295. [10:13 PM] NCY1689: Now go back to hiding behind your Griffinism and your elections build on walls of zombie voters
  296. [10:13 PM] Pericles: The Atlasia electorate was not majority left-wing in 2018
  297. [10:14 PM] Pericles: you guys lack the skill to affect the composition of the electorate as I have
  298. [10:14 PM] NCY1689: We lact the people to affect the composition of the electorate
  299. [10:14 PM] NCY1689: WHo do you think uses the damn internet
  300. [10:14 PM] NCY1689: who doe think goes on this site
  301. [10:14 PM] Pericles: try harder
  302. [10:14 PM] NCY1689: who is leaving this site because they thing the mods are out to get them
  303. [10:14 PM] Pericles: you are giving up, whining that it is too hard
  304. [10:14 PM] NCY1689: 80% of the site is lefties
  305. [10:14 PM] Pericles: not true
  306. [10:15 PM] NCY1689: bullshit
  307. [10:15 PM] NCY1689: You lefties always have it easy, exaggerate what you had to overcome and then make out like it is so easy
  308. [10:15 PM] NCY1689: It was easy for bgwah to dominate as the JCP
  309. [10:15 PM] NCY1689: for Labor to dominate
  310. [10:16 PM] NCY1689: the left dominated this game for 12 years
  311. [10:16 PM] NCY1689: before 2016
  312. [10:16 PM] NCY1689: and you throw 2018 at me
  313. [10:16 PM] NCY1689: come on
  314. [10:16 PM] Pericles: and it's easy for you to us to get 66% of the vote when you don't even try properly
  315. [10:16 PM] NCY1689: I did everything I could in June
  316. [10:17 PM] NCY1689: they don't CARE anymore
  317. [10:17 PM] NCY1689: October was lack of effort, June was numbers coming home to roost
  318. [10:18 PM] NCY1689: If this game went all NPC
  319. [10:18 PM] NCY1689: I would run for President
  320. [10:18 PM] NCY1689: But when I send out 10 messages
  321. [10:18 PM] NCY1689: 1 joins, 1 gets banned and 1 leaves the forum, the rest don't respond
  322. [10:18 PM] NCY1689: I don't have the time or patience
  323. [10:18 PM] NCY1689: or care
  324. [10:19 PM] NCY1689: to bog myself down with the detestable mundane tedium
  325. [10:19 PM] NCY1689: of being President
  326. [10:19 PM] NCY1689: only to succeed
  327. [10:19 PM] NCY1689: and get drowend out by your fucking army again
  328. [10:19 PM] Pericles: you are bound to have someone who can do it. you are used to rolling over and just putting up any random who isn't Labor, that you don't bother to try and build up your party properly.
  329. [10:20 PM] NCY1689: You presume too much
  330. [10:20 PM] NCY1689: You see their is a sinking fear I might be right
  331. [10:20 PM] NCY1689: "their has to be someone"
  332. [10:20 PM] NCY1689: "please do another personality cult"
  333. [10:21 PM] NCY1689: you wouldn't be desperately seeking our revival on fig leafs
  334. [10:21 PM] NCY1689: of effort
  335. [10:21 PM] Pericles: I'm looking at the results, and it is obvious that you are a joke party. It doesn't really matter how you get there, because either way it's a personal failure on your part and a failure as a party.
  336. [10:21 PM] NCY1689: and false notions
  337. [10:21 PM] NCY1689: about just a little effort can pull it off
  338. [10:21 PM] Pericles: your excuses are tiresome and unconvincing
  339. [10:21 PM] NCY1689: when I do all the things necessary
  340. [10:21 PM] NCY1689: and you still get two-thirds of the vote
  341. [10:21 PM] NCY1689: when a full GOTV effort
  342. [10:21 PM] Pericles: you clearly didn't do all the things you could have done lol
  343. [10:22 PM] NCY1689: cannot stop you from dominating the game
  344. [10:22 PM] NCY1689: something had to give
  345. [10:22 PM] NCY1689: The Right cannot compete with you head to head alone
  346. [10:22 PM] NCY1689: this is not 2018 genius
  347. [10:22 PM] NCY1689: its early 2008
  348. 10:22 PM] NCY1689: HOW WOULD YOU KNOW
  349. [10:23 PM] NCY1689: You are just going to have to accept
  350. [10:23 PM] NCY1689: that two party atlasia
  351. [10:23 PM] NCY1689: IS DEAD
  352. [10:23 PM] NCY1689: DEAD
  353. [10:23 PM] NCY1689: DEAD
  354. [10:23 PM] NCY1689: DEAD
  355. [10:24 PM] NCY1689: Labor is going to have to come to grips with not being in a duopoly for once
  356. [10:25 PM] NCY1689: I have been here 11 years and 10 months
  357. [10:25 PM] NCY1689: I have seen more cycles then you have
  358. [10:25 PM] Pericles: there is no point in you guys just supporting anyone who isn't Labor
  359. [10:25 PM] NCY1689: I know what this game looked like when Bush was President
  360. [10:25 PM] Pericles: grow some balls
  361. [10:25 PM] NCY1689: Its not lack of balls
  362. [10:26 PM] NCY1689: I would have torn you to pieces in June if it weren't for your unbeatable zombie army
  363. [10:26 PM] Pericles: it's a lack of something
  364. [10:26 PM] NCY1689: conservative posters on Talkelections.org
  365. [10:28 PM] Pericles: you just ignored my point anyway that you're losing just as badly anyway but losing your dignity and any respect we might have had for you by just supporting anyone, rather than standing for anything even close to your own principles and actually making an effort
  366. [10:28 PM] NCY1689: Siren actually was a rather strict constitutionalist
  367. [10:28 PM] Pericles: your fatalism is damaging the game and making it a personality focused circlejerk, not Labor's legitimate efforts
  368. [10:28 PM] Pericles: oh this is pathetic
  369. [10:28 PM] NCY1689: but again you don't give credence
  370. [10:28 PM] Pericles: she was not a Federalist or anything close to your ideology
  371. [10:28 PM] NCY1689: to our real ideology
  372. [10:29 PM] NCY1689: You want us to be Trump
  373. [10:29 PM] NCY1689: or the RL Republican Party
  374. [10:29 PM] Pericles: 'federalism' is weak sauce, you need to have a bigger policy offering
  375. [10:29 PM] Pericles: maybe not Trump, but some kind of conservatism
  376. [10:29 PM] NCY1689: And just what do you think I would run on genius?
  377. [10:29 PM] Pericles: your actual beliefs or something close to it
  378. [10:29 PM] NCY1689: You think I give a f
  379. [10:29 PM] NCY1689: about this culture war crap
  380. [10:30 PM] Pericles: yeah, you obviously don't
  381. [10:30 PM] Pericles: you've given up on the game, and are just dragging others down with you
  382. [10:30 PM] NCY1689: oh I am working to get more people involved in the NPC cycle
  383. [10:30 PM] NCY1689: yet I am giving up
  384. [10:30 PM] Pericles: well, good luck losers
  385. [10:30 PM] NCY1689: and dragging others down with me
  386. [10:30 PM] badger: And what's the difference between losing by 30% and 20%
  387. [10:30 PM] badger: @Pericles
  388. [10:30 PM] Pericles: hope you take my advice on board, even if you pretend otherwise and keep making these weak sauce excuses
  389. [10:31 PM] NCY1689: Okay Trumpist
  390. [10:31 PM] NCY1689: Keep up bullying what you don't understand
  391. [10:31 PM] badger: All he knows is his sheep in his basement
  392. [10:31 PM] NCY1689: Face me without your zombie army to hide behind coward
  393. [10:31 PM] badger: ^^
  394. [10:32 PM] NCY1689: I have tangled with the best of them
  395. [10:33 PM] badger: I wonder if we'll ever have a real game again
  396. [10:33 PM] badger: Once Peri gets out of the basement
  397. [10:33 PM] NCY1689: Pericles isn't the problem
  398. [10:33 PM] NCY1689: its the mindset
  399. [10:34 PM] NCY1689: Labor lives in an alternate reality where their model actually isn't going to lead them to ruination through sheer domination
  400. [10:34 PM] NCY1689: they are deseperate for the right to come back
  401. [10:34 PM] NCY1689: and be at parity with them
  402. [10:34 PM] NCY1689: so their model can sustain itself
  403. [10:34 PM] badger: But yet Labor doesn't want to lose their moderates
  404. [10:34 PM] badger: No matter what
  405. [10:34 PM] NCY1689: that is why they pine for personality cults
  406. [10:34 PM] badger: And yet they freak out if we get far lefties voting against Labor
  407.  
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