Solidus Obscura [8:19 AM]
Fyi- https://evewho.com/pilot/Cycle%20green
While I think some of the shit laid onto cycle is unfair (calling someone a 'fgt' is unacceptable to me), he does have a pretty shitty eve who history and seems to intentionally bait out the shittalking.
Ichinumi Tsukaya [8:22 AM]
dude has a learning disorder.
knew about all this tbh.
Yosima Alicanthe [8:24 AM]
who actually leaves reviews of pople on evewho?
Ichinumi Tsukaya [8:24 AM]
++ the current owner of cycle green is not the same person who got the worst of this reputation
yea not the brightest spark but thats literally why TTA exists. + he's literally showing no negative signs in terms of participation, in fact if you were to visualise a  graph in terms of alliance involvement he has been getting more and  more involved.
tbh the noise he generates gives me ideas; he sent me a mail asking how to participate in fleets so that gave me inspiration to write what looks like will be 2 bulletins to basically tell people 'no don't stay alpha'
Solidus Obscura [8:39 AM]
Not the same person? the comment two years ago referred to his weeb attitude
Can't see a change in character holder
Ichinumi Tsukaya [8:40 AM]
http://eve-search.com/thread/462341-1/page/1#5
Solidus Obscura [8:40 AM]
You gotta be really shit to get a negative review in evewho
Ichi you know those can be faked right
Ichinumi Tsukaya [8:42 AM]
sure but i got no reason to think it is in this case. too active to be a spy, even on comms which is mega pleasant. microphone virtually never  muted etc. yep the person's brand fuckin new even after playing for 3 years but that to me seems like its because buying a character with plex that has a good sp pool does not equate to actually knowing how to play eve.
Solidus Obscura [8:43 AM]
Spies wouldn't have to do either of those things and can still be turbo active. I'm just raising the concern, that's all
Yosima Alicanthe [8:50 AM]
eh most people are kept out of the loop myself included, so if they want to spy the best the can do is from alliance mails and cmc and alliance pings
vov and i see no reason to put anyone other than leader ship from tta into any opsec channels in slack or IG
Ichinumi Tsukaya [8:57 AM]
really its cool i don't mind answering any questions from people like yourself, ushy tenar etc. people who contribute less i'd have more problem with answering this sorta thing, your efforts are amazing and i do want you to know i am ensuring we do not have blatant spies in TTA - despite the dentass/tavit thing, cos i just figured well literally what exactly can he find out that he doesn't already know? he'd have needed to start lurking our comms full time or get access to the other layers of communication we have. which wasn't gonna happen cos i already told gecko/saf i let dentass in. having only relatively recently got access to other communication levels myself let me assure you that ya'll are very very good at keeping secrets.

yea true a spy could set up a different push to talk key or something of that nature. he'd have to be a  frikin genius to have not slipped up though in all this time imo, with how active he is in conversations. yep thats not 'impossible'. keep in mind though, the dude who encouraged him to join us initially now wants him out. tbh we already had this discussion in TTA leadership channels re his 'trolling' - which i have for sure 'endorsed' by saying 'no we do not have limits on your freedoms here'. api was gone over very carefully because of the age of the character and the story matched up with zero actual holes. concern was raised over the bullshit said by other  groups and tbh i think nothing of it, i have literally no problem with ignoring TEST or others in the nullsec hivemind. the KB is atrocious and that speaks for itself - this is someone who literally does not know how to play the game and is starting out. tbh even the person who initially owned the account has something to answer for in terms of being bad and seemed to be a bit of an awoxer
mantel [8:58 AM]
Cycle is kind of infamous in the rp community for being somewhat abrasive and anti social especially when he posted a neo-Nazi speech altered slightly on the forums which has since been deleted by the mods.
He had another account which I think is inactive, Alice Malice or something like that.
Ichinumi Tsukaya [8:59 AM]
*shrug* rp community is legitimately a bunch of antifa
which is cool i don't care for fascism but when you literally cannot do anything but rage against something i think thats a little sad.
frankly the way they treat diana is disgraceful.
mantel [9:05 AM]
Considering her history with the community and the amount of people she has pissed off over the years it’s a result of making your bed and sleeping in it.
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:05 AM]
but they get pissed off because she is roleplaying as a caldari patriot. not perfectly but not completely wrong either
thats absurd.
Kaahz [9:06 AM]
He was in dng 2,3 years ago
mantel [9:06 AM]
No, they get pissed off because she derails everything and harasses/abuses people.
Kaahz [9:06 AM]
As Alice malice
We booted him for the reasons mantel says above
Same as test
mantel [9:06 AM]
That’s neither here nor there though. This discussion isn’t about the community it’s about cycle/Alice.
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:07 AM]
well again,  character seems to have been sold some years ago, i received a  screenshot of proof of the character transfer
idgaf who alice malice is and that is  entirely irrelevant.
Kaahz [9:11 AM]
he's alice malice (edited)
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:12 AM]
where's the proof my man?
API sure isn't perfect but there doesn't seem to be any undeclared alts.
wasn't, even
Kaahz [9:12 AM]
i don't give a shit if he's a spy
he's more harm to templs being himself then anything else
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:13 AM]
how?
Kaahz [9:13 AM]
your whole thing is
uniting _the state_
right?
he really brings people together
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:14 AM]
uh you might want to find another approach if you are serious about what you are trying to achieve.
give me an actual how.
:safespace:
Kaahz [9:15 AM]
lol
safespace
:feelskekman:
i don't particuarly care
it's your shitty corp
but it is our alliance
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:15 AM]
well dude you start with diamonds in the rough, we all do. what becomes of it after that
Kaahz [9:15 AM]
you see a number of people with concerns about him
I gave him a shot 2, 3 years ago
nothing has changed
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:16 AM]
like though what is your actual problem with him rn kaahz?
like, i mean, 'weeb content' is an actual problem?
Kaahz [9:16 AM]
i think he divides this corp
err
alliance
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:17 AM]
hmm
Kaahz [9:17 AM]
and
he's not active at all
I don't see a single positive he brings
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:17 AM]
err.
Kaahz [9:17 AM]
what does he bring to the table
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:17 AM]
nothing. thats what TTA exists for.
Kaahz [9:17 AM]
forgot
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:18 AM]
it literally stands for 'Templis Training Academy'
Kaahz [9:18 AM]
so what's he learning
Yosima Alicanthe [9:18 AM]
or we could act like adults and remember that eve is just a game
if you dont like the guy dont interact with him
simple as that
Kaahz [9:19 AM]
was just offering some unsolicited advice when i saw the topic raised
i didn't bring it up
Yosima Alicanthe [9:20 AM]
should go for anyone who has anything against any one in the alliance/cmc
Kaahz [9:20 AM]
what if
a large number of people
don't like someone
just hypothetical
Yosima Alicanthe [9:21 AM]
well that wouldnt be up to me in the slightest
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:21 AM]
thats too easy yosima. so in this time he's moved out of sitting in tama flying griffins only and has been attempting to utilise other roles than ecm
Yosima Alicanthe [9:22 AM]
and if so then alliance leadership would figure that out on their own
mantel [9:22 AM]
At the end of the day the decision rests with TTA/leadership. We can only say what we’ve heard and seen pertaining to his reputation and character. Which by most isn’t of a good standard.
Kaahz [9:23 AM]
he's a shitlord
Yosima Alicanthe [9:23 AM]
there have been and still are people in templis i cant stand, but i dont generally get shitty with anyone and just avoid them if i can
Kaahz [9:23 AM]
and drags tta's reputation through the dumpster
:ok_hand:
but I'm done
:speak_no_evil:
Yosima Alicanthe [9:23 AM]
thus not creating drama as this entire topic seems to be about
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:25 AM]
*shrugs* a newbro training corp that doesn't want to train newbros is a funny concept tho. and unless we are going to actually have transparency on socially acceptable communication with written out rules within CALSF/CMC i genuinely don't think he has a case to answer for.
Kaahz [9:25 AM]
he's not a newbro
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:26 AM]
i don't mind either approach but this 'you are breaking the unwritten rules' thing is nonsense.
kaahz earlier i mentioned the dude has a learning disorder, on top of the fact that his  kb says yes he's a newbro
here another  newbro for you
https://zkillboard.com/character/872980756/
same amount of solo kills as me
Kaahz [9:27 AM]
who's that?
i can't see the links
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:27 AM]
er no wait i am still ahead
xD
anwya
Kaahz [9:27 AM]
ha ha
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:27 AM]
my bad thought i was at 100
Kaahz [9:27 AM]
dude i don't care
he's alice malice
i dont' have proof and I don't care enoguh to dig it up
do with that information what you will
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:27 AM]
thanks.
Kaahz [9:28 AM]
sapporo says so on evewho
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:28 AM]
:stuck_out_tongue:
Kaahz [9:28 AM]
:ok_hand:
Solidus Obscura [9:28 AM]
There's no doubt good folks come from tta and non-newbros get a chance to experience calsf culture.
But the Cycle nerd is just something else. Sorry for creating a scrollback here :P
Yosima Alicanthe [9:29 AM]
REEEE
Kaahz [9:29 AM]
alphas are cool in tta too?
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:29 AM]
ya.
Kaahz [9:30 AM]
i mean that's another conversation for leadership if they care about spies
but not for me
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:30 AM]
right. again the  layers of communication actually mitigates this risk well
Kaahz [9:31 AM]
you do realize
anyone who wants a spy in calsf
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:31 AM]
legit make an alpha character, join TTA and tell me what sensitive info you come across
Kaahz [9:31 AM]
is looking at your corp tho
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:31 AM]
yea i  get that. i reject applications.
Kaahz [9:31 AM]
k
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:31 AM]
tbh not many xD but yea
Kaahz [9:32 AM]
anyways, this is my final point
Cycle is killing this alliance from the inside out.
slowly but surely
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:32 AM]
how though? bad memes?
Kaahz [9:33 AM]
divisiveness
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:33 AM]
but everyone seems united against him
xD
Kaahz [9:33 AM]
cept you :slightly_smiling_face:
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:33 AM]
meh
ushy Afuran [9:33 AM]
It's pretty dramatic to say he's killing the alliance. Lol
Yosima Alicanthe [9:33 AM]
i mean alot of templis thought dng would be cancerous in the alliance
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:33 AM]
i am always for  giving newcomers a chance
tbh same was thought about nbz  if memory serves amongst some in calsf
Yosima Alicanthe [9:33 AM]
and it turned out well enough
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:34 AM]
and they are mega wrong
Yosima Alicanthe [9:34 AM]
we only got minor cancer from it
Solidus Obscura [9:36 AM]
Jury is still out on that Yosima
:feelskekman:
ushy Afuran [9:37 AM]
Plus, if one useless, alpha clone autist can kill an alliance without logging in  then the alliance is so fragile it should die.
Kaahz [9:37 AM]
ushy pls
let me be dramatic
:colberto:
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:37 AM]
this is true but he logs in a fair bit tbh why are ya'll saying he's not logging in?
ushy Afuran [9:37 AM]
Are any tta in caps channel or similar channels? I don't really stalk them
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:38 AM]
i don't think so, even those that do have caps (tallitar, corsair)
Solidus Obscura [9:38 AM]
I mean you always have some nerd in TS ask about capitals anyway
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:38 AM]
maybe u guys don't think cycle logs in cos u r not being convoed by him in every day
ushy Afuran [9:38 AM]
Lol
Solidus Obscura [9:38 AM]
And you just need to look at fleet comp to confirm cap numbers
Any tta nerd can see that
We have near zero opsec
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:39 AM]
i mean  can you though?
Yosima Alicanthe [9:39 AM]
and honestly if you know the people well enough in the alliance you can tell just by regular coms what is going on for the most part
you just have to use your head alittle
Solidus Obscura [9:39 AM]
That's more commentary on our opsec than tta though
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:39 AM]
tbh i'd imagine our main enemies would simply know our caps by name anyway
Solidus Obscura [9:39 AM]
Which tbh I kind of like
Nullsec opsec shenanigans are dumb
Yosima Alicanthe [9:40 AM]
and if you figure out who our cap alts are then just scrolling through fleet is just as easy
Ichinumi Tsukaya [9:40 AM]
or local
Solidus Obscura [9:40 AM]
But if we do ever want to use supers without being telegraphed then we'll want to improve there