Would it have been noble for an American to have killed Trump while he was president?

16:11 legended
No one except a president understands how hard the work is. Our impeached presidents and removed.. Forget how hard the work is.
legended
So this gets their attention. Removal presumes disbarment from further office.
legended
I think about it and just throw my hands in the air. If you dont.  Well. We should not listen to you. (The office alone after they built up this computer clickety click. In the presidential work office.i
16:14 legended
Isnt the noise of tyor
16:14 legended
Typewriters and printing machines and big autopens..
fieryGTS
trump will write (ok get it ghostwritten) a new book, to reinsert himself and rise up from the ashes of his failure.  it will be called "Mein Trumpf".  i'm just kidding.  hitler got away with it, because he was still young.  trump is 75 and his life is over.
legended
So. Most presidents somehow come out sounding at times.. Something makes the presidency at times sound effeminate. And trump was sure he tried to portray he was ok with men being men and women being women.
infspire
legended: What are the essentials qualities of 'manness'?
legended
So its a tricky spot to be in. Representing all is hard work.
legended
infspire: a quality of trust.
infspire
Can you expound?
legended
No. You just gotta trust it.
fieryGTS
it's fun to kick a malignant narcissist with no remorse, when they are down.  who here felt sorry for saddam hussein when he was drug out of his hole?  not me.  and trump deserves every ounce of past, present and future ridicule, because he has NO capacity for remorse.
infspire
I put legended on block for six months.
infspire
Reason: Incoherency.
infspire
(I had removed them from block last night.)
infspire
fieryGTS: It's a deep shame on American culture that nobody killed Donald Trump while he was president.
fieryGTS
we don't do that in america.  we have due process.
infspire
fieryGTS: It's being reported that Trump developed no COVID-19 vaccine distribution plan. This will lead to the deaths of ~100k or more Americans -- post 2020/11/03.
fieryGTS
trump deserves his days in multiple courts for his multiple crimes, like any other american.  no matter how much of a russian puppet he is.
infspire
During this time, instead of attempting to prevent the deaths of Americans equivalent to 33 9/11s, he worked to destroy the American republic.
infspire
Which due process is deserved, ideally, in your system of governance for such a crime?
infspire
fieryGTS: By 2020/11/03, it was clear there was no help coming from any courts to stop the above.
infspire
How does your ideal system of government handle those types of crimes, then?
fieryGTS
impeachment would have been the remedy for that.
fieryGTS
now, he can be charged criminally like any other person
infspire
fieryGTS: Now, Trump was attempted to be removed from office in 2019, but he was part of a ongoing fascist party that failed to uphold the rule of law for one of their own.
infspire
How does your ideal system of governance handle that?
infspire
You'll recall that the GOP Senate failed to allow even witnesses in their 'trial'.
crazy88
well ideally twitter blocks them
fieryGTS
i don't operate in an ideal governance.  i operate in america.
infspire
crazy88: How does Twitter blocking them prevent the 100k dead?
crazy88
that seems like a sensible form of government to me
infspire
fieryGTS: Should we follow bad rules?
fieryGTS
um....no?
crazy88
infspire i dont think it does
Dildo_Dad
https://dailystormer.su/it-is-january-21-2021-and-there-is-only-thing-any-of-us-can-do/
infspire
fieryGTS: So, America shouldn't be the way it is if the way it is is bad, right?
crazy88
cant win em all
fieryGTS
should we just behead people with no trial?
infspire
fieryGTS: In some cases, yes.
fieryGTS
yeah, no.  in no cases.
crazy88
where 'we' mean democrats no doubt
infspire
That's an interesting rejection of 1600 years of Western theory of just war.
fieryGTS
ok?
fieryGTS
welcome to 2021.
infspire
fieryGTS: Given that you believe people should not be beheaded without a trial in "no cases", do you support lethal force being used by law enforcement or the military in any cases?
crazy88
whats with the passive voice infspire
infspire
The status quo in all nations on Earth allows lethal use of force by law enforcement and the military in some cases.
crazy88
can u specify who is doing the beheading
infspire
crazy88: An agent or group of agents.
crazy88
can u be more specific
infspire
The agent or group of agents will need to claim they're being empowered by 'justice'.
fieryGTS
yes.  and in lethal enforcement being used by law enforcement or military, i also support questioning the use.  including wait for it...trials.
infspire
Forms of 'justice' include constitutions, legal statues, religious doctrines, or personal evaluation.
infspire
fieryGTS: So, you agree that in "some cases" law enforcement and the military behead people (kill them) without a trial?
infspire
And those cases generally represent a person who is a lethal threat to others and for whom immediate intervention is needed to stop that lethal threat, right?
infspire
So, for example, if you walk into a club with a firearm and say you're gonna kill a bunch of people, you might be 'beheaded without a trial', in "some cases".
infspire
But Trump didn't say he might kill 100k people. He killed 100k people. And he had the most power of anybody in our system, not just some guy in a nightclub with an uzi.
crazy88
how did trump kill 100k people
crazy88
did u make that up
crazy88
i think u did
infspire
And, all the non-lethal interventions -- like impeachments and court cases -- were shown to be inadequate to stop his ongoing killing.
fieryGTS
if someone kills you for "saying" you're gonna kill a bunch of people, they will most likely be the one on trial for murder.  if someone start killing a bunch of people, a self defense mechanism kicks in, both personally, and lawfully.
infspire
crazy88: There are estimates of the extra dead since the election that will die due to disruptions in the vaccine distribution.
infspire
You can research those, if you like. I might extend the effort to provide a citation.
jiggawatz
dr. fausti said the worst is over
infspire
(I'll have to believe you're a high-quality person to do that.)
infspire
fieryGTS: So, there is an escalation of force doctrine present in all Western societies going back at least 1400 years.
crazy88
high quality person?
crazy88
wow
16:29 infspire
And the non-lethal forms of force were not stopping Trump from genociding those who empowered him.
infspire
And you think it's pretty wild to support lethal force in that case, huh.
infspire
crazy88: Most people are semi-literate baboons and don't care about evidence. Providing evidence to such baboons is non-productive.
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crazy88
u sure like self fulfilling prophecies huh
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infspire
fieryGTS: In my ideal system of governance -- the one I want America to strive to follow -- we'd have such a robust non-lethal interventions that there would be no need to kill Trump at any point.
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infspire
He would have just been stopped in the 1990s for his various financial crimes.
infspire
But, that did not occur because we have a broken system.
16:31 infspire
And he kept accumulating power until he was able to genocide groups of his enemies.
infspire
(Trump expressed to Woodward that he was aware that COVID-19, in the early days, was predominantly attacking 'blue states'.)
crazy88
infspire can u pls specify what makes a person high quality
infspire
crazy88: High intelligence, an interest in learning, empathy, and high moral integrity.
crazy88
o
infspire
fieryGTS: In my ideal system of governance, the Nazis are stopped early on and there's no need to kill them. However, if you get to 1941, it's okay to "behead them without a trial", as they're a threat to others.
infspire
Beheading people without a trial, in such a case, is done under a 'war' doctrine in human thought.
infspire
You may have compartmentalized that away from 'politics' in your thinking, as Americans are not good at governing themselves when things are bad.
crazy88
so if sum1 is stupid but still moral and curious and blah blah blah theyre still a bad person in ur eyes and not worth ur time
infspire
The primary goal of American ideology, per Chomsky, is to generate obedient consumerism. This is not congruent with musing about when to kill the president for their genocide.
Dildo_Dad
ask yourself why the FBI and the media asked for “help” identifying people who “attempted an insurrection” at the Capitol. Again, any of them that weren’t wearing masks could have been identified in a matter of seconds using biometric data that is registered when you take the photo for your driver’s license and is put on steroids by the Facebook algorithm, which the FBI has full access to
infspire
Also, for 'whites', America has largely been a stable republic, and in a stable republic it's almost always a bad idea to kill the leaders.
Dildo_Dad
Reuters announced almost a year ago that China was claiming to be able to identify people wearing masks using biometrics from the uncovered part of the face.
infspire
crazy88: I will need you to introduce more valuable content before I answer more meta-questions for you.
crazy88
ok
infspire
Dildo_Dad: Why did you link to Daily Stormer?
crazy88
did u no that ducks have corkscrew penises
Dildo_Dad
They could have run everyone through a facial recognition scanner, and had them all arrested and charged by sundown. So basically, the media is working with the FBI to create this narrative, to create fear
infspire
This leads to a lifetime ban. Should this not occur in your case?
infspire
I put crazy88 on lifetime block.
Dildo_Dad
its OK to be white
Dildo_Dad
idiot
Dildo_Dad
race traitor
infspire
I put Dildo_Dad on lifetime block.
fieryGTS
the nazis went through nuremberg trials.  and yes, you should stop them before they come nazis.  which means it would not be necessary to kill them, since they were never nazis.
infspire
fieryGTS: The Nuremberg Trials occurred *after* physical dominance was established via the deaths of WW2.
infspire
Once the Allies were fully in charge, there was no need to kill anybody without a trial.
fieryGTS
after the crimes, yes.
infspire
I support that.
infspire
The Nuremberg trials did not occur 'after the crimes'.
infspire
False.
infspire
They occurred once full physical domination was established over the Nazi system via killing in WW2.
infspire
Then, once the killing stopped, they could take their time with a trial.
infspire
As the threat was stopped on the battlefield, and the people were in prison awaiting trial.
infspire
None of this applied to Trump while he was president.
infspire
A better analogy is "What should happen to Goering if you find him in Munich in 1942?"
infspire
And the answer is, of course, "Kill him on the stop."
infspire
Would you not support killing Goering on the spot, without a trial, in 1942, if you encountered him in Munich, fieryGTS?
infspire
Or would you patiently wait until 1946 and another few tens of millions dead.
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fieryGTS
for trump, and his cabinet members that enabled and supported shit like stealing kids?  yes.
fieryGTS
but it's nice to see nozpinzy here.  after he was sooooooooooooo sure trump was some how going to squeek out remaining in office.
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infspire
fieryGTS: If I said, "It's a great shame that no German killed Goering in 1942" in 1943, would you say, "Wow, you want to behead some people without a trial?"
fieryGTS
how many times did i tell you you were wrong, nozpinzy?
fieryGTS
11-20-2020:  <+nospinzy> it gets kicked to the congress fieryUSA
fieryGTS
<+nospinzy> house of rep
fieryGTS
<+nospinzy> federal
fieryGTS
<+nospinzy> if there is no 270
fieryGTS
<+nospinzy> and then each state votes
fieryGTS
didn't work out that way, now did it?
infspire
fieryGTS: It appears you are fleeing from engaging a smart person -- me -- to engaging a stupid person -- nospinzy.
infspire
This is not virtuous.
Fear
fieryGTS: why are you still mad? biden won, trump is banned from twitter, and republicans are now minority in senate
fieryGTS
no you weren't.  you were explaining what you hoped would happen.  when there was never a snowballs chance in hell of it happening.
Fear
what more do you want
Fear
communism?
infspire
Fear: Do you think justice has been achieved?
fieryGTS
i was given a pardon by president biden.  bitch.
Fear
pretty much
Fear
trump will be sued
Fear
for rest of his life
Fear
for all the scams he did
infspire
We hope*
Fear
perhaps risk imprisonment for tax fraud
Fear
and so on.
infspire
We hope*
infspire
As of today, he's a free man with hundreds of millions of dollars he stole while president.
infspire
And so justice is not achieved.
Fear
lol millions
Fear
100+ million?
Fear
he's in like
Fear
700+ million debt
Fear
100 million is nothing
infspire
He was in debt.
Fear
it's now 600 million then
Fear
lol
fieryGTS
Posted on Wednesday as he left the White House, Trump's final financial disclosure as president reveals a steep decline in revenue at some of his marquee properties in 2020 and the first 20 days of this year. Sales at the Trump International Hotel Washington plummeted by 63% compared with 2019 to $15.1 million, while revenue fell 62% to $9.8 million at Scottish golf resort Turnberry.
fieryGTS
Revenue at one of the former president's biggest businesses, the Trump National Doral golf resort near Miami, declined to $44.2 million from $77.2 million in 2019. Trump has mortgages on the property totaling between $55 million and $75 million, according to the document. The loans from Deutsche Bank mature in 2023.
infspire
I put Fear on block for repeated usage of "lol" as a rhetorical device, which is not commensurate with the ideas of debate.
infspire
Calculating block period.
infspire
I put fieryGTS on block for collapsing on the "It's a shame no American killed Trump while he was president" topic without full accountability, as that is not commensurate with the ideas of debate.
infspire
Calculating block period.
infspire
I placed fieryGTS on block until 2022-01-20.
infspire
I placed Fear on block for two weeks.
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infspire
ideals of debate*