Mafia Talk Night 5 Day 5

<Uzendayo> OH SHIT
HE WAS MILLER
<Shroom> our plan succeeded at first, I'll try to say something against ZM's post asap
<TLtimelord> So... kill Mech, consort ZM, is that our plan?
<Shroom> yes
I guess Mech is doc
<Uzendayo> roleblock dat ZM mah man
<Shroom> either way we need two more mislynches and people start being aware of me
https://www.supermariobrosx.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=18604&p=276398#p276398
<Pseudo> ok killing Mech, roleblocking zeldamaster
<Shroom> well I just hope Mech isn't protected or using his self-heal
<Pseudo> the doctor cannot self heal at all in this game
<Shroom> I kinda thought he had one but yeah
so I don't feel like changing it
<Shroom> so, big question is: how can I survive after tricking the town into the next mislynch, say, SSX
<Sanct> I can't believe you guys added the sheriff to the mafia group
as I obviously am the sheriff
<TLtimelord> Shroom that's because you've been against the town's will this whole game
No wonder people are taking second looks at you
<Shroom> well so first I stood up against the KoE bandwagon which made me look good, I was put as not suspicious on witchking's and thg1's list
then I wasn't cool with lynching Mega which can be used as a defense since Spinda will also be recognized as inno
after lynching Sanct I allegedly took a ringleader role on finding more scum, and I hope the town can be convinced at least in the near term that I helped them catching a scum
<TLtimelord> Holy fucking shit
<megar> "at this point, my top 3 picks of who is mafia is cedur, TNT, and uzendayo" when you get called out hard
<TLtimelord> Well I'm distancing myself from you guys
I will play along with ZM if I have to
<Sanct> WHO SAID THAT
BECAUSE HOLY FUCK
<TLtimelord> Yeah uh
<megar> ZM
<TLtimelord> We should have killed ZM at the beginning of the game
Instead of waddle
I thought I advocated for that
Because if it isn't obvious already, ZM basically just won the town the game right here and now
We need him dead the next night phasd
*phase
<Uzendayo> wait when was this
well
uh
ZM only suspects me if Cedur is mafia
and he isn't
so I think we should be good
or at the very least, I should be good.
<TLtimelord> no he suspects all of us
he deliberately called us out
<Uzendayo> when
<TLtimelord> Earlier today on discord
<Uzendayo> ok
so
we can't just kill him off immediatly after killing doctor can we?
it'd look too suspicious
<TLtimelord> Well it's ZM
That's enough reason to kill him ASAP
<Uzendayo> but we need to kill doctor ASAP
unless the doctor is clueless
inb4 its noodle
<TLtimelord> well Cedur is for sure being lynched tomorrow
there's no question there
and when he dies, chances are you're next Uzendayo
<Uzendayo> fuccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc
what if
Cedur is doctor
wouldn't ZM look super suspect at that point?
<TLtimelord> you'd have to convince the entire town
<Uzendayo> no I'm saying
if Cedur is actually doctor
and ZM kills him
would that change anything
I have a strange suspicion that Cedur is doctor
either him or Mech
<TLtimelord> cedur is @Shroom
jesus christ shroom just call yourself supershroom everywhere
<Uzendayo> fuckcckckckck
jesus fuckckckckckck
<TLtimelord> lmao
<Uzendayo> is there any way to convince the town that there is a possibility of ZM being mafia, and that this was all an elaborate ruse to trick us into knowing who the specials are, and that ZM knew that Sanct was Mafia all along to get the people's trust so they'd never even think about lynching him??
we can even say that his suspicion of THG1
being miller is a part of this since he actually was the miller
and that ZM wouldn't have known that he was actually the miller
the only flaw in that would be who the sherrif would be
we could say that the sherrif might be hiding out to not be killed by ZM's huge army of support from the town
I dunno really tho
I've never been in such a tight situation
@TLtimelord do you think this could possibly work in any situation
<TLtimelord> alright well mech wasn't the doctor
there's absolutely no way of convincing the town ZM is mafia
we are not trusted enough by town nor do we have the charisma or reasoning to do such a thing
<Uzendayo> I could do it maybe
If I fuck up tho, I might doom us all
<TLtimelord> don't
Cedur is already gonna die
ZM is already gonna vote for you after he gets lynched
just actively participate in the next day and night
talk to ZM
<Uzendayo> how
<TLtimelord> by DM
forum or discord
or through the mafia chat
<Uzendayo> I don't know what I'd say
I haven't really talked in fear of being accused
<TLtimelord> well just ask him why he suspects you
say something like "I know this probably isn't enough to convince you that I'm innocent but __" and insert a reason why you haven't been all that active
say you've been only just active enough to watch what happens once per day
and that you don't really have a conceived judgement on anyone in particular
but make it sound like it came out of your mouth, not his
@Uzendayo most importantly, just bring it up when you're both around
ping him in the mafia chat first
don't put on the impression you were told this
you're genuinely confused as to why he suspects you
my approach to him was "I understand where you're coming from and i'm not surprised"
and other pity remarks
idk why I like to use pity remarks
they seem to work lmao
<Uzendayo> they seem genuine
<TLtimelord> it makes you seem like you're being as transparent as possible
just pretend to be transparent
instead of convincing
don't act like you're trying to hide something, don't be dodgy
if he asks about someone, make something up
if it's me
earlier I openly criticized shroom's playing behavior this game in front of him
and I said I forgot you were in the game
by doing this I distanced myself from you guys in his eyes
idk if I made a difference
at this point it's a bit late to really use a useful strategy
<TLtimelord> I criticized Shroom using different logic than what I actually think, I think playing the town's devil advocate when it came to Megar and Sanct's lynchings was a huge mistake by his part
it put him out there in a bad spot
to be fair my apathetic approach this entire game has not helped my case and it has not helped yours
the doctor has to be DVPM
DPVM  whatever
@Uzendayo ZM said "and uzendayo can defend himself in the thread if he pleases"
so when you get the chance vote shroom and defend yourself
<Shroom> I think we're fucked
<TLtimelord> you are
<Shroom> I mean, what happens next if I'm successfully lynched?
for how long will ZM consider you inno? where shall we get two mislynches coming from?
<TLtimelord> noodle
is 1
kill DPVM as he's probably doctor
<Shroom> how about glitch4?
<TLtimelord> wow he's still alive?
ok uh
well him actually
ZM hasn't really mentioned either of them
<Shroom> shall we just kinda bus each other
if I can get you lynched, and you're red, then maybe Uzendayo looks better
and Noodle can be lynched too
@Pseudo does ZM know in the meanwhile that he was roleblocked?
@TLtimelord
<Pseudo> roleblocked players know that they are roleblocked
<Shroom> but yeah you didn't tell him an inspection result as he said
<Pseudo> they may, however, not know, if your host is forgetful and forgets to send some host pms :wink:
however, in that case, the host would PROBABLY send the host pm once she came online and figured out that she had forgotten to send it
IN THEORY
<Shroom> so, did he get it or not
<Pseudo> well as i said
the host would PROBABLY send it once she came on
MOST LIKELY
<Shroom> it's not the time to be cryptic now
so you did
<Pseudo> yes lol
<Uzendayo> cool
<TLtimelord> well I have my own plan and it does involve you dying shroom
I want uzendayo to relieve some of the stress ZM has put on him
but there's a subplan if uzendayo dies too
basically noodle
and DPVM lynched
and at that point well it's literally luck
<Shroom> I mean, who should I try to get lynched if I wanted to defend myself
<Shroom> @TLtimelord are you still here?
I also have my plan involving you to die
so I can safe Uzendayo
either way I should do something that makes ZM think that not both of us are mafia
VOTE: TLtimelord
<Shroom> also while I've been bussing you all away, maybe we can achieve a lynch on Noodle first
just what would happen the moment he flips green
okay, no matter what happens
if glitch4 suddenly changes the vote to me
you can guess that ZM told him to and glitch4 would be the doctor then
@Uzendayo careful, don't jump on my throat to much, just wait how things play out
if we can get votes in against TNT, you'll look bad if you continue, while it was my plan to safe you through a TNT lynch since ZM said "me and you were working together"
<Uzendayo> ok
<Shroom> frankly you can't suddenly change your mindset either, so just wait how others react first
with a bit of patience you can try to make people outvote ZM
if you're willing to risk it all
otherwise it will most likely be TNT surviving and looking inno and then the doc and ZM must be killed in time
<TLtimelord> at this rate I'm the most likely to make it the furthest, yeah :/
dude I hope what glitch4 is doing right now is digging his own grave
<Shroom> well, I tried
probably I tried too hard
@Pseudo make me dead plz