[20:20:34] @quziel: NU is a funky tier atm
[20:20:37] @quziel: got all kinds of funky mons
[20:20:37] @quziel: like
[20:20:41] @quziel: !dt Snorlax
[20:20:43] @quziel: and !dt Grimmsnarl
[20:20:49] Togkey: lol
[20:20:50] @quziel: I swear I know how to type
[20:20:53] @quziel: !dt grimsnarl
[20:21:00] @quziel: among others
[20:21:01] NeighborCrazyDave: dont forget tyrantrum
[20:21:03] @quziel: ye
[20:21:04] @quziel: and vap
[20:21:05] @quziel: and sylv
[20:21:08] @quziel: very funky tier atm
[20:21:14] @quziel: you got tons of options for both offensive and defensive play
[20:21:16] @quziel: so
[20:21:26] @quziel: We're gonna do a teambuilding workshop for it over the next however many minutews
[20:21:26] Togkey: yeah NU is very cool in the sense that you can kinda pick whatever breaker you want and build around it from there
[20:21:43] @quziel: and in order to do that we sorta need a few things from the general chat
[20:21:43] @quziel: aka
[20:21:46] @quziel: well
[20:22:26] @quziel: we need ideas on what to build around, and then we'll sorta alternate between public and semi-restricted chat as we build
[20:23:06] Ninja: i assume we want stuff thats kinda unorthodox right
[20:23:11] Ninja: like not super common
[20:23:13] Togkey: I vote demon stoise
[20:23:20] Who's Blitzy: huh
[20:23:22] Ninja: is demontoise bpress block
[20:23:31] Aawin: specs dragalge could be fire
[20:23:35] Togkey: its w.e u want it to be
[20:23:43] #Yellow Paint: anything is fair game so long as it doesn't build itself
[20:23:47] Togkey: someone got reqs w specs dragalge
[20:23:50] +ComputerWhiz: Exploud is pretty cool :)
[20:24:08] Togkey: I think that 4 attack Tsareena would be cool
[20:24:28] +ComputerWhiz: Tsar used to get run AV in PU
[20:24:31] Togkey: !code
Tsareena (F) @ Protective Pads
Ability: Queenly Majesty
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Power Whip
- High Jump Kick
- Triple Axel
- Knock Off
[20:24:34] Togkey: something like this
[20:24:39] Togkey: maybe U-Turn over something else
[20:25:18] Who's Blitzy: also drapion is good in BH
[20:25:29] Ninja: cb drapion yn
[20:25:57] luser4: maybe some tr although that might be a boring building process
[20:27:07] @quziel: ok
[20:27:13] @quziel: so in the interests of keepin momentum
[20:27:16] @quziel: gonna put up a poll
[20:28:33] A poll was started by quziel.
[20:28:36] @quziel: gonna give this like
[20:28:44] @quziel: some amount of time defined by how long it takes for me to get bored
[20:30:21] +roxiee: hi
[20:30:24] Togkey: so we got something like this
[20:30:26] Togkey: !code
Dragalge @ Choice Specs
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Sludge Bomb
- Focus Blast
- Flip Turn
[20:30:41] Togkey: Focus Blast to hit Steel-types like Copperajah and Stakataka
[20:30:46] @quziel: ye, drag won hard
[20:30:58] @quziel: so
[20:31:00] @quziel: first question
[20:31:11] @quziel: what likes to swap into dragalge and takes permanent damage from it as a result
[20:31:13] Togkey: (hint: nothing)
[20:31:14] Togkey: jk
[20:31:20] Ninja: steels
[20:31:31] Togkey: Diancie
[20:31:32] Who's Blitzy: poor drapion
[20:31:43] @quziel: well
[20:31:45] @quziel: I suppose I should note
[20:31:55] Who's Blitzy: drapion got dissed hard
[20:31:57] @quziel: we can either go for a chip => sweep kinda BO, or just pivot spam and hope drag gets in enough
[20:32:20] Togkey: I think VoltTurn would work better with Dragalge
[20:32:22] Who's Blitzy: what meta?
[20:32:25] @quziel: NU
[20:32:29] Who's Blitzy: ok
[20:32:42] fanboy56: hi everyone what yall talking about
[20:32:50] @quziel: we are building a NU team around choice specs dragalge
[20:33:03] zS: o
[20:33:19] zS: specs dragalge you pair with steel abusers
[20:33:27] zS: ndd / sylveon
[20:33:39] fanboy56: ok who the first pokemon
[20:33:45] Aawin: specs dragalge
[20:34:06] Togkey: I think a pivoting partner like Decidueye or Rotom-Mow to bring in Grass-types would pair with Dragalge
[20:34:16] Togkey: since Dragalge beats grass-types
[20:34:22] fanboy56: whats that pokemon
[20:34:24] @quziel: Pass is honest a fairly good shout
[20:34:32] zS: i hate pass rn
[20:34:34] @quziel: given it forces in shit like weez/sylv/etc
[20:34:34] zS: ngl
[20:34:38] @quziel: all of which are sorta meh into drag
[20:35:05] @quziel: though sylv a bad matchup for both given it can tect on a sludge
[20:35:31] fanboy56: who is dragalge
[20:35:36] @quziel: !dt dragalge
[20:35:49] zS: ngl smtg like drag silv-steel vappy rmow would be my
[20:35:52] zS: first go-to
[20:36:07] fanboy56: oh
[20:36:08] @quziel: lisk could actually be a good partner
[20:36:17] Aawin: I like it
[20:36:17] @quziel: lvoes when drag catches a ground, invites in grasses
[20:36:19] Togkey: willingly having silv steel on a team I don't like tbh
[20:36:22] @quziel: ok
[20:36:25] Togkey: I'm a fan of lisk
[20:36:28] @quziel: so what are our proposed initial partners
[20:36:42] Togkey: Heliolisk, Decidueye, Rotom-Mow, Talonflame
[20:36:52] zS: rmow is probably #1
[20:37:04] fanboy56: whats the team so far
[20:37:05] Togkey: yea I'd go with mow or helio
[20:37:15] @quziel: personal pref is for helio cause it has a cooler design
[20:37:19] @quziel: but mowtom works too
[20:37:26] Aawin: mowtom literally touches grass
[20:37:28] Aawin: he's based
[20:37:34] zS: so true
[20:38:12] fanboy56: whats the team so far
[20:38:18] @quziel: the team so far is dragalge
[20:38:19] @quziel: nothing else
[20:38:21] zS: just a dragalge
[20:38:45] @quziel: I might use executive privelege to use lisk just cause its a tad less common
[20:38:46] fanboy56: ok
[20:39:21] fanboy56: what gen is this
[20:39:35] Qmc Advance: current 8, drag 6
[20:39:46] @quziel: that fine zS?
[20:40:13] Togkey: gonna leave the lisk item TBD until the rest of the team is established
[20:40:19] @quziel: ye works ofr me
[20:40:20] zS: that fine for sure
[20:40:23] @quziel: ok so
[20:40:26] zS: yeah item and moves should be tbd
[20:40:28] @quziel: immediate thing I wanna cover is just sorta
[20:40:33] Who's Blitzy: https://pokepast.es/dd7998c898fbad8f - 2 Dragalge
[20:40:33] @quziel: groundvally is scary?
[20:40:38] zS: quag moment
[20:40:38] Togkey: both dragalge and heliolisk are fake blastoise checks too so
[20:40:47] Togkey: Quag beats both gvally and stoise
[20:41:06] zS: but creates huge holes into copper
[20:41:08] zS: mhm
[20:41:23] Togkey: arcanine time
[20:41:25] Togkey: :)
[20:41:26] fanboy56: can we get a list of the pokemon in this gen
[20:41:27] zS: :)
[20:41:36] zS: go to the teambuilder for that fanboy56
[20:41:40] Togkey: fanboy56 check the gen 8 NU team builder
[20:41:47] Its j mon: I NEED A TEAM FOR OU
[20:41:52] Its j mon: PLEASE HELP ME
[20:41:56] Togkey: «ou»
[20:41:56] @quziel: !tier gen8ou
• OU Metagame Discussion
• OU Sample Teams
• OU Viability Rankings
Banlist/Ruleset
[20:42:29] Its j mon: OTHER ONES?
[20:42:40] Who's Blitzy: is this a good Dragalge
[20:42:42] Who's Blitzy: https://pokepast.es/dd7998c898fbad8f
[20:42:42] @quziel: type the command I wrote but with a / first, and replace the 8 with 7
[20:42:43] Its j mon: NOT JUS THE SAMPLE I HAVE USED THEM AND I DONT LIKE EM
[20:42:53] Who's Blitzy: chill
[20:42:54] Ninja: we have lisk + dragalge so far?
[20:42:57] fanboy56: arcanine?
[20:42:57] @quziel: ok I'm going to turn on modchat whitelist for a bit
[20:43:06] Aawin: ye ninja
[20:43:13] zS was promoted to Room Whitelist by quziel.
[20:43:15] Aawin: specs draggles + open set on lisk for now
[20:43:37] Togkey: @Who's Blitzy we're likely going to run speed on dragalge to have a better matchup vs slower walls
[20:43:50] Togkey: but the sets look fine otherwise
[20:43:59] @quziel: I'm fine with quag
[20:44:05] @quziel: though it can make the rocks slot a tad iffy?
[20:44:17] zS: copper/diancie are still up there
[20:44:18] Togkey: !ds stealth rock, nu
Aerodactyl, Copperajah, Diancie, Golurk, Mudsdale, Stakataka, Tyrantrum
[20:44:22] @quziel: ye
[20:44:23] zS: stak too
[20:44:27] @quziel: staker is cool
[20:44:30] Togkey: stak or diancie sounds nice
[20:44:32] @quziel: staker + quag?
[20:44:34] Togkey: aero too lowkey
[20:44:38] @quziel: o
[20:44:39] @quziel: aero feels
[20:44:40] zS: aero sounds neat too
[20:44:41] @quziel: really good here
[20:44:44] Aawin: ye solid speed tier
[20:44:47] zS: mhm
[20:44:49] @quziel: baits in a ton of shit that is food for both helio and drag
[20:44:53] Togkey: keeps our speed up and isn't ground weak
[20:44:53] Aawin: so true
[20:45:03] zS: aero is nice
[20:45:10] Togkey: we just need to get a steel on here somehow
[20:45:11] Ninja: quag+aero?
[20:45:19] @quziel: ye
[20:45:26] zS: 5th should hella be a copper switch-in tho
[20:45:30] Ninja: hm probably a better fighting resist too
[20:45:36] zS: what's a hazard controle that checks copper
[20:45:45] Aawin: hitmontop
[20:45:48] zS: !ds defog, nu|pu
Aerodactyl, Archeops, Braviary, Charizard, Comfey, Decidueye, Frosmoth, Mantine, Ninjask, Ribombee, Rotom-Mow, Scyther, Silvally-Fairy, Silvally-Ghost, Silvally-Ground, Silvally-Steel, Sirfetch’d, Talonflame, Whimsicott, Xatu
[20:46:01] Togkey: what's a pokemon that checks copper
[20:46:05] Ninja: arcanine
[20:46:06] @quziel: prayer
[20:46:16] Togkey: intimidate hitmontop
[20:46:19] @quziel: we could like
[20:46:23] @quziel: make aero a staka and then run defog talon
[20:46:32] zS: sounds like it
[20:46:33] @quziel: which imo covers the worrying matchups a tad better
[20:46:35] Ninja: man
[20:46:41] Aawin: defog talon isn't super great but it fits on this p well
[20:46:51] Aawin: which is fien
[20:46:53] Aawin: *fine
[20:47:05] Togkey: what if we just made helio a defog mowtom
[20:47:10] @quziel: eh
[20:47:12] @quziel: I think talon works
[20:48:03] @quziel: or like just some other set and then tsar last
[20:48:09] @quziel: which I think works a tad better
[20:48:21] zS: tsar last sounds fine
[20:48:29] zS: however this is hella iffy into duck
[20:48:30] Togkey: drag / scarf helio / quag / staka / tsar / talon or aero
[20:48:43] @quziel: what if
[20:48:48] @quziel: we pretend that having talon means we always beat duck
[20:48:54] Togkey: true
[20:49:03] zS: also machamp steemrolls this
[20:49:09] zS: and this is not something talon can do shit about
[20:49:10] zS: '-'
[20:49:10] Aawin: who?
[20:49:18] @quziel: eh
[20:49:20] Ninja: machamp steamrolls everything
[20:49:28] Togkey: shoulda voted machamp a 5 on the tiering survey bro
[20:49:35] Ninja: it wasnt in the survey
[20:49:43] Togkey: wb doublade > staka :D
[20:49:43] Aawin: corrupt TLs
[20:49:43] Ninja: but grimmsnarl somehow was '-'
[20:49:44] Aawin: htsi
[20:49:50] zS: doublade is nice there
[20:49:55] @quziel: hmm
[20:49:59] @quziel: on talon we could do like
[20:50:01] @quziel: sd u-turn
[20:50:07] @quziel: and I think that brings us to sorta workable?
[20:50:11] Who's Blitzy: what about drag with a weak Pol
[20:50:27] zS: man i rly feel like
[20:50:33] zS: helio is ruining this team
[20:50:34] zS: '-'
[20:50:36] Togkey: yea
[20:50:44] @quziel: 'll post this version
[20:50:48] @quziel: then we can rework for a mowtom version
[20:50:49] Togkey: mowtom compacts helio tsar and talon into 1 mon lol
[20:50:50] Who's Blitzy: should we do weak policy drag
[20:51:05] Togkey: drag is too slow to really abuse that imo
[20:51:13] zS: def
[20:51:13] @quziel: https://pokepast.es/98177e885745fa92
[20:51:14] @quziel: ok
[20:51:15] @quziel: so like
[20:51:18] Who's Blitzy: then salac berry?
[20:51:20] @quziel: this is version one
[20:51:25] Ninja: why do we need
[20:51:27] Ninja: scarf lisk
[20:51:29] zS: nooo not the scalding quag
[20:51:29] Ninja: w/ quag
[20:52:00] Who's Blitzy: we could salac berry dragalge
[20:52:10] Togkey: for what
[20:52:14] @quziel: ok so lets work on v2 of the team
[20:52:16] Who's Blitzy: to get better speed
[20:52:18] @quziel: with mowtom over helio
[20:52:57] zS: drag mowtom quag's pretty nice start
[20:53:11] Its j mon: I NEED OU TEAM
[20:53:20] Its j mon: PLEASE PEOPLE
[20:53:32] @quziel: google "smogon rmt forum"
[20:53:35] Its j mon: HELP ME IN MY STUGGLES
[20:53:37] Who's Blitzy: bro go to OU
[20:53:41] @quziel: we're doing a NU teambuilding workshop atm so we cannot fix that atm
[20:53:44] @quziel: or yeah, ask «ou»
[20:53:49] zS: omg how about scrafty there
[20:53:51] Togkey: https://pokepast.es/1443a190d807b059 mowtom version here
[20:54:06] zS: o ig this works
[20:54:13] belugbutbetter: https://pokepast.es/10398663d02e47d9 any advice for this team
[20:54:44] Togkey: that team is beyond saving
[20:54:45] @quziel: ok do we think that tog's version needs any further tuning
[20:54:56] @quziel: my main gripe is my forever "I would love a wincon"
[20:54:58] @quziel: but also
[20:55:01] zS: yes
[20:55:02] @quziel: this is nU so the wincon can just be pivoting
[20:55:03] Aawin: pressure on aero > rock head :D
[20:55:04] Togkey: I wanna try some silly Chople Berry stuff on Copper but idk
[20:55:04] zS: moonblast sylveon
[20:55:20] Qmc Advance: isnt hypervoice better?
[20:55:21] Togkey: could make Copper chople w SR and then make aero an SD talon
[20:55:24] Who's Blitzy: https://pokepast.es/cd73dd77a2c09bbb ??? opinions on any of the drags
[20:55:25] Aawin: moonblast sylv to stop throat chop grimmsnarl
[20:55:34] zS: ^
[20:55:36] @quziel: grimmsnarl runs throat chop semi often
[20:55:38] Who's Blitzy: i donno if the speed drag works so
[20:55:39] @quziel: so if you run hvoice you just lose
[20:55:42] Aawin: ^
[20:55:42] zS: and also makes fights mu a tad better
[20:55:46] Aawin: also true
[20:55:55] @quziel: chople sr copper + sd talon works well
[20:55:57] @quziel: I think
[20:56:01] Togkey: make the sylveon female!
[20:56:03] @quziel: makes you like
[20:56:05] zS: yes female sylv
[20:56:07] Qmc Advance: ahh smart maybe run some speed on slyv
[20:56:07] @quziel: moderately more able to close a game
[20:56:08] Who's Blitzy: what drag is better
[20:56:10] @quziel: and ye, mb sylv
[20:57:02] zS: !code
Sylveon (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Wish
- Protect
- Heal Bell
[20:57:03] Togkey: https://pokepast.es/1e5df1cffffb6c27 quz requested wincon team
[20:57:10] Togkey: like teams need a wincon :\
[20:57:24] Togkey: nice pixilate moonblast zs
[20:57:32] zS: oop
[20:57:33] @quziel: shit works
[20:57:35] @quziel: well enough
[20:57:38] @quziel: I'll archive it
[20:57:42] @quziel: and lets move onto team 2
[20:57:44] Aawin: zweilous specs the innovator
[20:57:50] @quziel: ok, so
[20:57:56] @quziel: submit more NU mons to build around
[20:57:58] zS: mhm
[20:58:00] Togkey: morepeko
[20:58:01] Qmc Advance: win con trick room stak
[20:58:23] Togkey: !code
Starmie @ Power Herb
Ability: Analytic
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Meteor Beam
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
[20:58:27] Togkey: demon star
[20:58:32] Ninja: boltund
[20:58:35] Ninja: unironically
[20:58:38] Ninja: or
[20:58:43] Ninja: sheer force druddigon
[20:58:46] PM ash: Hi
[20:58:47] zS: boltund has arco and i's label.
[20:58:57] Ninja: sf lo drud then
[20:58:59] Togkey: the bolt is surely broken..
[20:59:13] Qmc Advance: make a trick room team, specs dramp
[20:59:14] Vinc3n: Ooh star
[20:59:21] zS: darkvally is probably viable
[20:59:27] zS: we could try that
[20:59:41] Aawin: darkvally + staka :o
[20:59:45] zS: :oo
[20:59:53] @quziel: we could like
[20:59:53] Aawin: just load up on fighting answers
[20:59:57] @quziel: just expand to "non groundvally vally"
[21:00:02] @quziel: caus elike dragonvally is also funny
[21:00:06] Vinc3n: Whats the team like so far?
[21:00:08] zS: dragvally is pretty nice
[21:00:11] @quziel: we're deciding on team 2
[21:00:13] @quziel: team 1 was https://pokepast.es/1e5df1cffffb6c27
[21:00:14] Togkey: !code
Silvally-Dark @ Dark Memory
Ability: RKS System
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Multi-Attack
- Iron Head
- U-turn
- Swords Dance
[21:00:28] @quziel: ok
[21:00:31] @quziel: I'll put up the second poll
[21:00:43] Vinc3n: Ooh i know that set
[21:01:08] Aawin: cb decid?
[21:01:10] Aawin: :D
[21:01:18] A poll was started by quziel.
[21:01:29] @quziel: I am
[21:01:31] @quziel: smart
[21:01:41] Vinc3n: Dvally
[21:01:41] Qmc Advance: that meteor beam starmie sounds nasty
[21:02:00] Togkey: what are ur thoughts on tr staka? personally i think meteor beam starmie
[21:02:09] A poll was started by quziel.
[21:02:38] Qmc Advance: tr stak with the right suppot can run through teams
[21:02:46] Qmc Advance: support **
[21:03:08] belugbutbetter: https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen7anythinggoes-1560011771
[21:03:42] @quziel: ok
[21:03:43] @quziel: time for
[21:03:46] @quziel: poll 2
[21:04:04] A poll was started by quziel.
[21:04:57] Togkey: LOL
[21:04:58] Who's Blitzy: why not do both
[21:05:00] Who's Blitzy: ?
[21:05:06] Ninja: u can tbh
[21:05:10] @quziel: ok
[21:05:13] Ninja: nooo
[21:05:13] @quziel: Darkvally
[21:05:29] Vinc3n: Darkvally
[21:05:30] Togkey: !pick silv dark, drud
We randomly picked: drud
[21:05:32] @quziel: !code
Silvally-Dark @ Dark Memory
Ability: RKS System
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Multi-Attack
- Swords Dance
- U-turn
- Iron Head
[21:05:33] Togkey: ok
[21:05:33] @quziel: ok
[21:05:33] Qmc Advance: who would darkvally be good for?
[21:05:38] @quziel: here's our feller
[21:05:42] @quziel: its groundvally but slightly worse
[21:05:58] Who's Blitzy: so are we doing Silvally or Drud
[21:06:02] @quziel: silvaly
[21:06:03] Togkey: silv dark has coverage for common dark resists
[21:06:35] @quziel: so like
[21:06:49] @quziel: main thing is 1) what do we lure in, and 2) what beats is, and 3) what do we need at 60% to sweep
[21:06:54] Togkey: iron head hits fairy-types and u-turn for dark-types, all we need is something to beat fighting-types
[21:06:56] zS: https://pokepast.es/06849008c48138d9 made a scratch out of it while poll was running
[21:07:20] Aawin: broski this do be a workshop, buildin er step by step kek
[21:07:26] zS: i made a scratch i said
[21:07:27] zS: '-'
[21:07:32] Aawin: '-'
[21:07:33] Togkey: !code
Vileplume @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Effect Spore
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Giga Drain
- Sludge Bomb
- Strength Sap
- Corrosive Gas
[21:07:34] zS: might be a scratch with full sets
[21:07:38] zS: i know
[21:07:39] Ninja: fighting types are easy to wear down
[21:07:41] Who's Blitzy: instead of uturn wb parting shot
[21:07:50] Togkey: why
[21:07:51] Ninja: nah it needs uturn to dmg dark types
[21:07:53] NULA Trance: ^
[21:07:56] @quziel: u-turn's coverage is nice ye
[21:08:05] Togkey: also just damaging stuff in general for later
[21:08:15] zS: y
[21:08:24] zS: pivoting into silv let copper in was my first idea tbh
[21:09:10] Togkey: so I have silvally-dark + helmet plume
[21:09:14] Togkey: I'd like a volt immune
[21:09:26] @quziel: helmet plume has nice synergy ye
[21:09:34] zS: sounds like a muds moment to me
[21:09:41] @quziel: forces damage on u-turn fightings, sorta forces damage onto weezing
[21:09:48] Who's Blitzy: what abt
[21:10:00] @quziel: we could be er
[21:10:01] @quziel: rhydon users
[21:10:06] Who's Blitzy: SD, Multi, Iron Head, Flame, Charge
[21:10:10] Qmc Advance: assualt vest hitmonlee would be fun if yall do a 3rd team
[21:10:22] Who's Blitzy: flame charge*
[21:10:27] @quziel: that said
[21:10:28] @quziel: mudsdale
[21:10:32] @quziel: fits suepr easy
[21:10:36] zS: muds is just
[21:10:39] @quziel: and literally has never been punished in all of NU
[21:10:40] zS: insane
[21:10:45] zS: to pass out for rhydon
[21:10:54] Who's Blitzy: nex poll put kartana on there
[21:11:01] Togkey: https://pokepast.es/460686ecbb69d14d
[21:11:12] Vinc3n: Yeah no
[21:11:20] zS: o tog
[21:11:22] zS: let me give you
[21:11:24] zS: a secret tip
[21:11:40] Togkey: let me give you this ratio
[21:11:45] @quziel: we can then
[21:11:46] Who's Blitzy: bruh
[21:11:48] @quziel: shove on random toge
[21:11:53] @quziel: to make mowtom sad
[21:11:55] zS: !code
Silvally-Ghost (Silvally-Dark) @ Dark Memory
Ability: RKS System
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Multi-Attack
- Iron Head
- U-turn
[21:11:58] zS: this works better
[21:12:08] Togkey: what did u change
[21:12:16] zS: the nickname.
[21:12:20] Togkey: ik but
[21:12:24] Togkey: what formatting did you use
[21:12:28] zS: there's the - now
[21:12:35] Togkey: does that work
[21:12:38] zS: ye
[21:12:41] @quziel: hello fellow NUers
[21:12:47] @quziel: how do you feel about a very rare mon
[21:12:50] zS: but i had to take it from google
[21:12:52] @quziel: that is pretty niche
[21:12:55] zS: to make it work
[21:12:59] Vinc3n: What mon?
[21:13:02] @quziel: talonflame
[21:13:06] zS: yep
[21:13:09] zS: i like that
[21:13:17] Vinc3n: Talon rare?
[21:13:30] Qmc Advance: not for ladder when i play lol
[21:13:37] zS: + we're getting the aesthetic bonus from using an uncommon mon
[21:14:04] @quziel: ye
[21:14:09] @quziel: I see way more braviary
[21:14:15] Togkey: what steel do we add to this
[21:14:21] Togkey: our ice resist is mudsdale
[21:14:26] zS: copper
[21:14:31] Togkey: we could do vapo escav lol
[21:14:41] @quziel: ngl
[21:14:42] Togkey: idk if I like muds here
[21:14:44] @quziel: otr staka
[21:14:45] Togkey: team is so slow
[21:14:46] @quziel: sorta works
[21:14:56] @quziel: ngl
[21:14:59] @quziel: plume and then muds
[21:15:01] @quziel: forces us to be super slow
[21:15:12] zS: if u wanna take the fast route
[21:15:17] zS: u gotta do tsar over ploom
[21:15:18] Vinc3n: Yeah it is slow
[21:15:34] Qmc Advance: do tr thats more uncom
[21:15:51] Togkey: tsar doesn't beat the fighting types tho
[21:16:01] zS: outplay?
[21:16:08] Togkey: truth
[21:16:09] Togkey: wb
[21:16:16] Togkey: tsar + static stunfisk
[21:16:23] @quziel: we could mantine ig
[21:16:26] Togkey: + mantine
[21:16:27] zS: hell no
[21:16:37] zS: we're not using fakemons
[21:16:46] Togkey: which one
[21:16:50] Togkey: fisk or mantine
[21:16:53] @quziel: actually
[21:16:54] zS: mantine
[21:16:57] @quziel: what if over plume
[21:16:57] zS: fisk's a real one
[21:16:58] @quziel: we dhelm
[21:17:04] @quziel: honest
[21:17:05] zS: ow
[21:17:08] zS: dhelm's nice
[21:17:17] zS: we could fog decid too
[21:17:17] Vinc3n: Dhelm then were still slow
[21:17:51] @quziel: what if we helmet dhelm
[21:17:54] @quziel: to make the groundvallys sad
[21:18:05] @quziel: or just boots and then have it be a sorta meh stoise check
[21:18:49] @quziel: ig its dhelm or tsar
[21:18:51] @quziel: I think both work
[21:18:57] zS: ye both work fine
[21:19:06] Togkey: I can't fit a scarfer on this team
[21:19:07] Togkey: lol
[21:19:20] zS: (starmie)
[21:20:30] @quziel: so like
[21:20:35] @quziel: vally/tsar/muds/scarf starmie
[21:20:37] @quziel: kinda thing?
[21:20:40] Togkey: I have this rn
[21:20:40] Togkey: https://pokepast.es/14bb9c615b470fa1
[21:20:43] Togkey: very slow though
[21:20:53] zS: sub tox mantine
[21:20:54] zS: yaaaay
[21:20:55] +meri berry❧: stunfisk moment
[21:20:57] zS: that's a great set
[21:21:00] zS: o hi meri
[21:21:01] Togkey: fish is goated
[21:21:04] Togkey: hi meri hi
[21:21:07] Togkey: fisk*
[21:21:08] +meri berry❧: also yeah that's slow as sin
[21:21:14] Vinc3n: Meri goat
[21:21:16] +meri berry❧: you have to use scarf tsar or rotom on it
[21:21:31] Ninja: whys there a stunfisk
[21:21:35] Togkey: shush
[21:21:37] +meri berry❧: static probably
[21:21:48] +meri berry❧: you can punish talon uturn and stuff like that
[21:21:49] +meri berry❧: it's alright
[21:21:56] Togkey: its better than gunfisk
[21:21:58] Ninja: honestly id prefer mb sylveon
[21:22:06] Togkey: I just clicked import bro
[21:22:29] +meri berry❧: for all non nu players, hyper voice sylveon can be stopped with throat chop
[21:22:36] +meri berry❧: which means dark types can beat it sometimes
[21:22:37] ImThatLucy♥: WACHA!
[21:22:45] +meri berry❧: which is kind of lame
[21:22:56] Vinc3n: True meri has a point
[21:22:56] @quziel: thinking
[21:22:59] K4mster: is thundurus-t good in ou
[21:23:06] @quziel: silv-d/tsar/muds/offenisve as hell poison or dark
[21:23:08] @quziel: sorta works?
[21:23:20] zS: silv tsar muds starmie croak tflame
[21:23:22] +meri berry❧: thundy-t isn't really good in ou
[21:23:23] @quziel: or maybe like
[21:23:29] @quziel: silv-d/band decid/muds/mant
[21:23:31] @quziel: kinda thing?
[21:23:33] K4mster: dang
[21:23:35] zS: mant
[21:23:36] zS: whodat
[21:23:41] zS: ah mantine
[21:23:47] @quziel: I don't really like fog mant, but like
[21:23:53] K4mster: i wanted to build a team around nasty plot thundy-t
[21:23:54] @quziel: trying to fit a secondary fight resist and removal here sorta sux
[21:23:58] +meri berry❧: it's probably okay but
[21:24:02] +meri berry❧: you have a lot of competition
[21:24:05] @quziel: its gotten some hype on rain builds
[21:24:18] +meri berry❧: and the speed tier is a little awkward
[21:24:20] @quziel: prolly literally just take standard rain, drop your flying for thund, and then drop seis for another breaker
[21:25:13] +AM: hello
[21:25:14] zS: https://pokepast.es/2d41862e8f813ff1 reposting what i had cuz i lowkey like it '-'
[21:25:23] +AM: oh this is the workshop whoops my bad
[21:25:34] +meri berry❧: it's okay
[21:25:35] +meri berry❧: hi am
[21:25:36] K4mster: hmmm
[21:25:58] +AM: hello meri
[21:26:10] K4mster: what if i built a team around nasty plot torn-t
[21:26:15] Togkey: our issue is that we need a SR setter but we're already fight weak
[21:26:26] Togkey: !dt palossand
[21:26:28] Togkey: him
[21:26:30] zS: think with muds + tflame u should be fine going into fighting types wse
[21:26:33] zS: omg my goat
[21:26:43] Togkey: sandaconda
[21:26:57] zS: sanda's great but u gotta go out of ur way with rmow
[21:27:17] Togkey: ye
[21:28:28] baloor: e
[21:28:43] baloor: oops
[21:28:45] @quziel: https://pokepast.es/c11be9b816008be3
[21:28:47] baloor: i was not here, goodbye
[21:28:48] @quziel: I got this variant
[21:28:52] @quziel: its sorta similar to zS's
[21:28:54] @quziel: but different
[21:29:14] zS: i sort of like it
[21:29:31] zS: just not sure about rh muddy
[21:29:39] zS: with no wish support
[21:30:01] @quziel: eh I think its justifable enough
[21:30:04] @quziel: if you just play aggro
[21:30:22] zS: ye prob
[21:30:38] Ninja: maybe w/ rest
[21:30:41] Ninja: but otherwise idk
[21:32:26] @quziel: I might just archive zS's and tog's build, archive them
[21:32:26] @quziel: and like
[21:32:34] @quziel: move on cause I don't really love how building with groundvally is workin
[21:34:05] Togkey: https://pokepast.es/1504f8fb8edad689
[21:34:07] Togkey: just made this
[21:34:26] Togkey: loses to silv g but what doesn't
[21:34:32] @quziel: ok
[21:34:37] @quziel: lets move onto next/final team
[21:34:48] @quziel: ok
[21:34:49] @quziel: so
[21:34:53] @quziel: taking submission for mons to build around
[21:35:12] RedDiamond1024: what format?
[21:35:14] Ninja: sf drud '-'
[21:35:16] @quziel: SMNU
[21:35:39] RedDiamond1024: ambipom is terrible there right?
[21:35:45] luser4: doesnt exist
[21:35:46] @quziel: ambipom doesn't exist in gen8 iirc
[21:35:50] baloor: you said sm
[21:35:52] baloor: !
[21:35:56] RedDiamond1024: yeah you said sm nu
[21:35:59] @quziel: oh
[21:36:00] @quziel: SSNU
[21:36:12] RedDiamond1024: braviary
[21:36:23] zS: i'll head out
[21:36:25] +meri berry❧: brav is a cool one
[21:36:26] zS: gn
[21:36:29] Togkey: gn
[21:36:32] RedDiamond1024: gn zS
[21:36:33] +meri berry❧: bulk up, band, scarf, boots 3 attacks
[21:36:36] +meri berry❧: gn z's
[21:36:41] +meri berry❧: zs*
[21:36:48] Togkey: virizion
[21:37:11] @quziel: ig I'll submit one
[21:37:15] @quziel: Lanturn
[21:38:06] K4mster: indeedee-f?
[21:38:14] ImThatLucy♥: Why do so many people in the competitive formats like OU don't say anything?
[21:38:27] RedDiamond1024: wdym ImThatLucy?
[21:38:33] ImThatLucy♥: They won't say hi
[21:38:35] ImThatLucy♥: Or gg
[21:38:42] ImThatLucy♥: they just play then leave
[21:38:46] RedDiamond1024: Idk, I say gg most of the time
[21:39:06] @quziel: ok, if noone else has another submission
[21:39:11] @quziel: I'll start a poll soon
[21:39:13] +AM: submissions for what?
[21:39:17] @quziel: a final NU team
[21:39:21] @quziel: aka a mon to build around
[21:39:26] +AM: SS?
[21:39:27] baloor: do i have to say a
[21:39:30] baloor: particular mon
[21:39:30] @quziel: SS ye
[21:39:33] baloor: are a concept
[21:39:34] +AM: what are the submissions
[21:39:38] @quziel: either works
[21:39:51] baloor: ghost type + volt switch
[21:39:55] @quziel: we got virizion, braviary, indeedee-f, sheer force druddigon
[21:40:04] baloor: not sure if its valid kek
[21:40:09] +AM: ok I'll say spikes stack
[21:40:15] +AM: or w/e mon does that
[21:40:22] Ninja: we dont have good spikers
[21:40:27] +AM: rip!
[21:40:31] baloor: yeah im trying to build with garb rn
[21:40:32] baloor: shits ass
[21:40:33] luser4: //ds spikes nu :sob:
[21:40:33] @quziel: honest lass and garb are like
[21:40:35] @quziel: semi usable
[21:40:37] Togkey: Heliolisk spikes
[21:40:46] Ninja: garb ferro lass
[21:40:47] +AM: drudd sounds more fun anyways
[21:40:49] Ninja: are usable
[21:40:53] Ninja: LO drud
[21:40:57] K4mster: ooh rotom-mow
[21:41:01] @quziel: ferro honest works
[21:41:05] Ninja: it ohkos defensive sylveon '-'
[21:41:11] @quziel: considering xat is on the down and it beats eq TR stak and stoise
[21:41:11] baloor: i used lo drud a while ago
[21:41:12] @quziel: ok
[21:41:13] baloor: it was cool
[21:41:41] A poll was started by quziel.
[21:43:48] @quziel: ok
[21:43:51] @quziel: braviary it is
[21:44:04] Ninja: agility 3 attacks
[21:44:05] @quziel: so lets first discuss what kinda brav
[21:44:16] @quziel: agility 3a, roost 3a, subbu, bu 2 attacks all are like
[21:44:19] @quziel: within the realm of viability
[21:44:19] Togkey: agility 3 attacks is crazy
[21:44:27] +AM: heater
[21:44:41] Ninja: wait
[21:44:45] Ninja: special w/
[21:44:49] Ninja: hurricane heat wave
[21:45:03] Togkey: !dt husian braviary
[21:45:06] baloor: thank you ninja v cool
[21:45:14] Togkey: !dt braviary-hisuian
[21:46:30] @quziel: agility 3 attacks iwth like
[21:46:31] @quziel: spikes
[21:46:34] @quziel: almost def works
[21:46:42] @quziel: and combines 2 of the design focuses in the poll
[21:47:50] +AM: whats set?
[21:47:59] @quziel: agility/bb/cc/facade or iron head
[21:48:08] +AM: iron for diancie right?
[21:48:10] @quziel: ye
[21:48:15] @quziel: I think fero has like
[21:48:19] @quziel: legit very good synergy here
[21:49:28] +AM: so you'd have the bird, ferro, then the rocker?
[21:49:35] @quziel: ye
[21:50:22] +AM: word I dont know anything about this format lol
[21:50:56] RedDiamond1024: same AM
[21:51:20] @quziel: lowkey feels diancie?
[21:51:21] @quziel: but maybe not
[21:52:34] Starlight Burst: Hey guys what are we don't?
[21:52:38] Starlight Burst: *doing
[21:52:40] @quziel: NU workshop
[21:52:42] @quziel: ok
[21:52:49] @quziel: so thinking like a sorta offensive resist berry diancie
[21:52:51] @quziel: feels nice here
[21:53:15] @quziel: and then like a starmie cause we need some more speed, a last ditch spikes removal, and can afford the stoise weak water
[21:53:42] +AM: could work
[21:55:05] @quziel: !code
Diancie @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 80 SpA / 176 Spe
Modest Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Diamond Storm
- Moonblast
- Earth Power
[21:55:08] @quziel: god this is a sorta cursed set
[21:55:11] @quziel: but I think it semi functions
[21:55:20] @quziel: hmm
[21:55:25] @quziel: now we need a proper way to stop the vortex
[21:55:27] @quziel: so prolly groundvally
[21:55:34] Starlight Burst: What does the speed do vapo?
[21:55:45] @quziel: its roughly vapo ye
[21:55:51] @quziel: thinking more prolly just go for like
[21:55:59] @quziel: max raj
[21:56:25] Togkey: https://pokepast.es/dac66f42241e7012
[21:56:29] Togkey: my team
[21:56:32] Starlight Burst: 124 creeps vapo
[21:57:17] Starlight Burst: Do we have to use the said braviary set?
[22:00:58] @quziel: https://pokepast.es/7fd4b1ecec28c09b
[22:01:01] @quziel: I don't know if I love this
[22:01:20] +AM: like the first five
[22:01:25] @quziel: needed a like
[22:04:20] @quziel: ground check that matched well into vap
[22:06:06] @quziel: honest I do think SD Offensive Talon over Brav
[22:06:09] @quziel: fits a lot better
[22:06:10] @quziel: giving a like
[22:06:12] @quziel: source of priorty
[22:06:38] +meri berry❧: that team looks kinda cool lol
[22:06:41] +meri berry❧: meteor beam starmie
[22:07:11] Starlight Burst: https://pokepast.es/c0d1721895e71ea0 what about this
[22:08:06] @quziel: ok I think I'll archive these and call it a day
[22:08:08] @quziel: as I'm sorta tired
[22:08:19] @quziel: and I have literally like a third of a pound of kiwis to eat