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  1. [20:20:34] @quziel: NU is a funky tier atm
  2. [20:20:37] @quziel: got all kinds of funky mons
  3. [20:20:37] @quziel: like
  4. [20:20:41] @quziel: !dt Snorlax
  5. [20:20:43] @quziel: and !dt Grimmsnarl
  6. [20:20:49] Togkey: lol
  7. [20:20:50] @quziel: I swear I know how to type
  8. [20:20:53] @quziel: !dt grimsnarl
  9. [20:21:00] @quziel: among others
  10. [20:21:01] NeighborCrazyDave: dont forget tyrantrum
  11. [20:21:03] @quziel: ye
  12. [20:21:04] @quziel: and vap
  13. [20:21:05] @quziel: and sylv
  14. [20:21:08] @quziel: very funky tier atm
  15. [20:21:14] @quziel: you got tons of options for both offensive and defensive play
  16. [20:21:16] @quziel: so
  17. [20:21:26] @quziel: We're gonna do a teambuilding workshop for it over the next however many minutews
  18. [20:21:26] Togkey: yeah NU is very cool in the sense that you can kinda pick whatever breaker you want and build around it from there
  19. [20:21:43] @quziel: and in order to do that we sorta need a few things from the general chat
  20. [20:21:43] @quziel: aka
  21. [20:21:46] @quziel: well
  22. [20:22:26] @quziel: we need ideas on what to build around, and then we'll sorta alternate between public and semi-restricted chat as we build
  23. [20:23:06] Ninja: i assume we want stuff thats kinda unorthodox right
  24. [20:23:11] Ninja: like not super common
  25. [20:23:13] Togkey: I vote demon stoise
  26. [20:23:20] Who's Blitzy: huh
  27. [20:23:22] Ninja: is demontoise bpress block
  28. [20:23:31] Aawin: specs dragalge could be fire
  29. [20:23:35] Togkey: its w.e u want it to be
  30. [20:23:43] #Yellow Paint: anything is fair game so long as it doesn't build itself
  31. [20:23:47] Togkey: someone got reqs w specs dragalge
  32. [20:23:50] +ComputerWhiz: Exploud is pretty cool :)
  33. [20:24:08] Togkey: I think that 4 attack Tsareena would be cool
  34. [20:24:28] +ComputerWhiz: Tsar used to get run AV in PU
  35. [20:24:31] Togkey: !code
  36. Tsareena (F) @ Protective Pads
  37. Ability: Queenly Majesty
  38. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  39. Adamant Nature
  40. - Power Whip
  41. - High Jump Kick
  42. - Triple Axel
  43. - Knock Off
  44. [20:24:34] Togkey: something like this
  45. [20:24:39] Togkey: maybe U-Turn over something else
  46. [20:25:18] Who's Blitzy: also drapion is good in BH
  47. [20:25:29] Ninja: cb drapion yn
  48. [20:25:57] luser4: maybe some tr although that might be a boring building process
  49. [20:27:07] @quziel: ok
  50. [20:27:13] @quziel: so in the interests of keepin momentum
  51. [20:27:16] @quziel: gonna put up a poll
  52. [20:28:33] A poll was started by quziel.
  53. [20:28:36] @quziel: gonna give this like
  54. [20:28:44] @quziel: some amount of time defined by how long it takes for me to get bored
  55. [20:30:21] +roxiee: hi
  56. [20:30:24] Togkey: so we got something like this
  57. [20:30:26] Togkey: !code
  58. Dragalge @ Choice Specs
  59. Ability: Adaptability
  60. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  61. Modest Nature
  62. - Draco Meteor
  63. - Sludge Bomb
  64. - Focus Blast
  65. - Flip Turn
  66. [20:30:41] Togkey: Focus Blast to hit Steel-types like Copperajah and Stakataka
  67. [20:30:46] @quziel: ye, drag won hard
  68. [20:30:58] @quziel: so
  69. [20:31:00] @quziel: first question
  70. [20:31:11] @quziel: what likes to swap into dragalge and takes permanent damage from it as a result
  71. [20:31:13] Togkey: (hint: nothing)
  72. [20:31:14] Togkey: jk
  73. [20:31:20] Ninja: steels
  74. [20:31:31] Togkey: Diancie
  75. [20:31:32] Who's Blitzy: poor drapion
  76. [20:31:43] @quziel: well
  77. [20:31:45] @quziel: I suppose I should note
  78. [20:31:55] Who's Blitzy: drapion got dissed hard
  79. [20:31:57] @quziel: we can either go for a chip => sweep kinda BO, or just pivot spam and hope drag gets in enough
  80. [20:32:20] Togkey: I think VoltTurn would work better with Dragalge
  81. [20:32:22] Who's Blitzy: what meta?
  82. [20:32:25] @quziel: NU
  83. [20:32:29] Who's Blitzy: ok
  84. [20:32:42] fanboy56: hi everyone what yall talking about
  85. [20:32:50] @quziel: we are building a NU team around choice specs dragalge
  86. [20:33:03] zS: o
  87. [20:33:19] zS: specs dragalge you pair with steel abusers
  88. [20:33:27] zS: ndd / sylveon
  89. [20:33:39] fanboy56: ok who the first pokemon
  90. [20:33:45] Aawin: specs dragalge
  91. [20:34:06] Togkey: I think a pivoting partner like Decidueye or Rotom-Mow to bring in Grass-types would pair with Dragalge
  92. [20:34:16] Togkey: since Dragalge beats grass-types
  93. [20:34:22] fanboy56: whats that pokemon
  94. [20:34:24] @quziel: Pass is honest a fairly good shout
  95. [20:34:32] zS: i hate pass rn
  96. [20:34:34] @quziel: given it forces in shit like weez/sylv/etc
  97. [20:34:34] zS: ngl
  98. [20:34:38] @quziel: all of which are sorta meh into drag
  99. [20:35:05] @quziel: though sylv a bad matchup for both given it can tect on a sludge
  100. [20:35:31] fanboy56: who is dragalge
  101. [20:35:36] @quziel: !dt dragalge
  102. [20:35:49] zS: ngl smtg like drag silv-steel vappy rmow would be my
  103. [20:35:52] zS: first go-to
  104. [20:36:07] fanboy56: oh
  105. [20:36:08] @quziel: lisk could actually be a good partner
  106. [20:36:17] Aawin: I like it
  107. [20:36:17] @quziel: lvoes when drag catches a ground, invites in grasses
  108. [20:36:19] Togkey: willingly having silv steel on a team I don't like tbh
  109. [20:36:22] @quziel: ok
  110. [20:36:25] Togkey: I'm a fan of lisk
  111. [20:36:28] @quziel: so what are our proposed initial partners
  112. [20:36:42] Togkey: Heliolisk, Decidueye, Rotom-Mow, Talonflame
  113. [20:36:52] zS: rmow is probably #1
  114. [20:37:04] fanboy56: whats the team so far
  115. [20:37:05] Togkey: yea I'd go with mow or helio
  116. [20:37:15] @quziel: personal pref is for helio cause it has a cooler design
  117. [20:37:19] @quziel: but mowtom works too
  118. [20:37:26] Aawin: mowtom literally touches grass
  119. [20:37:28] Aawin: he's based
  120. [20:37:34] zS: so true
  121. [20:38:12] fanboy56: whats the team so far
  122. [20:38:18] @quziel: the team so far is dragalge
  123. [20:38:19] @quziel: nothing else
  124. [20:38:21] zS: just a dragalge
  125. [20:38:45] @quziel: I might use executive privelege to use lisk just cause its a tad less common
  126. [20:38:46] fanboy56: ok
  127. [20:39:21] fanboy56: what gen is this
  128. [20:39:35] Qmc Advance: current 8, drag 6
  129. [20:39:46] @quziel: that fine zS?
  130. [20:40:13] Togkey: gonna leave the lisk item TBD until the rest of the team is established
  131. [20:40:19] @quziel: ye works ofr me
  132. [20:40:20] zS: that fine for sure
  133. [20:40:23] @quziel: ok so
  134. [20:40:26] zS: yeah item and moves should be tbd
  135. [20:40:28] @quziel: immediate thing I wanna cover is just sorta
  136. [20:40:33] Who's Blitzy: https://pokepast.es/dd7998c898fbad8f - 2 Dragalge
  137. [20:40:33] @quziel: groundvally is scary?
  138. [20:40:38] zS: quag moment
  139. [20:40:38] Togkey: both dragalge and heliolisk are fake blastoise checks too so
  140. [20:40:47] Togkey: Quag beats both gvally and stoise
  141. [20:41:06] zS: but creates huge holes into copper
  142. [20:41:08] zS: mhm
  143. [20:41:23] Togkey: arcanine time
  144. [20:41:25] Togkey: :)
  145. [20:41:26] fanboy56: can we get a list of the pokemon in this gen
  146. [20:41:27] zS: :)
  147. [20:41:36] zS: go to the teambuilder for that fanboy56
  148. [20:41:40] Togkey: fanboy56 check the gen 8 NU team builder
  149. [20:41:47] Its j mon: I NEED A TEAM FOR OU
  150. [20:41:52] Its j mon: PLEASE HELP ME
  151. [20:41:56] Togkey: «ou»
  152. [20:41:56] @quziel: !tier gen8ou
  153. • OU Metagame Discussion
  154. • OU Sample Teams
  155. • OU Viability Rankings
  156. Banlist/Ruleset
  157. [20:42:29] Its j mon: OTHER ONES?
  158. [20:42:40] Who's Blitzy: is this a good Dragalge
  159. [20:42:42] Who's Blitzy: https://pokepast.es/dd7998c898fbad8f
  160. [20:42:42] @quziel: type the command I wrote but with a / first, and replace the 8 with 7
  161. [20:42:43] Its j mon: NOT JUS THE SAMPLE I HAVE USED THEM AND I DONT LIKE EM
  162. [20:42:53] Who's Blitzy: chill
  163. [20:42:54] Ninja: we have lisk + dragalge so far?
  164. [20:42:57] fanboy56: arcanine?
  165. [20:42:57] @quziel: ok I'm going to turn on modchat whitelist for a bit
  166. [20:43:06] Aawin: ye ninja
  167. [20:43:13] zS was promoted to Room Whitelist by quziel.
  168. [20:43:15] Aawin: specs draggles + open set on lisk for now
  169. [20:43:37] Togkey: @Who's Blitzy we're likely going to run speed on dragalge to have a better matchup vs slower walls
  170. [20:43:50] Togkey: but the sets look fine otherwise
  171. [20:43:59] @quziel: I'm fine with quag
  172. [20:44:05] @quziel: though it can make the rocks slot a tad iffy?
  173. [20:44:17] zS: copper/diancie are still up there
  174. [20:44:18] Togkey: !ds stealth rock, nu
  175. Aerodactyl, Copperajah, Diancie, Golurk, Mudsdale, Stakataka, Tyrantrum
  176. [20:44:22] @quziel: ye
  177. [20:44:23] zS: stak too
  178. [20:44:27] @quziel: staker is cool
  179. [20:44:30] Togkey: stak or diancie sounds nice
  180. [20:44:32] @quziel: staker + quag?
  181. [20:44:34] Togkey: aero too lowkey
  182. [20:44:38] @quziel: o
  183. [20:44:39] @quziel: aero feels
  184. [20:44:40] zS: aero sounds neat too
  185. [20:44:41] @quziel: really good here
  186. [20:44:44] Aawin: ye solid speed tier
  187. [20:44:47] zS: mhm
  188. [20:44:49] @quziel: baits in a ton of shit that is food for both helio and drag
  189. [20:44:53] Togkey: keeps our speed up and isn't ground weak
  190. [20:44:53] Aawin: so true
  191. [20:45:03] zS: aero is nice
  192. [20:45:10] Togkey: we just need to get a steel on here somehow
  193. [20:45:11] Ninja: quag+aero?
  194. [20:45:19] @quziel: ye
  195. [20:45:26] zS: 5th should hella be a copper switch-in tho
  196. [20:45:30] Ninja: hm probably a better fighting resist too
  197. [20:45:36] zS: what's a hazard controle that checks copper
  198. [20:45:45] Aawin: hitmontop
  199. [20:45:48] zS: !ds defog, nu|pu
  200. Aerodactyl, Archeops, Braviary, Charizard, Comfey, Decidueye, Frosmoth, Mantine, Ninjask, Ribombee, Rotom-Mow, Scyther, Silvally-Fairy, Silvally-Ghost, Silvally-Ground, Silvally-Steel, Sirfetch’d, Talonflame, Whimsicott, Xatu
  201. [20:46:01] Togkey: what's a pokemon that checks copper
  202. [20:46:05] Ninja: arcanine
  203. [20:46:06] @quziel: prayer
  204. [20:46:16] Togkey: intimidate hitmontop
  205. [20:46:19] @quziel: we could like
  206. [20:46:23] @quziel: make aero a staka and then run defog talon
  207. [20:46:32] zS: sounds like it
  208. [20:46:33] @quziel: which imo covers the worrying matchups a tad better
  209. [20:46:35] Ninja: man
  210. [20:46:41] Aawin: defog talon isn't super great but it fits on this p well
  211. [20:46:51] Aawin: which is fien
  212. [20:46:53] Aawin: *fine
  213. [20:47:05] Togkey: what if we just made helio a defog mowtom
  214. [20:47:10] @quziel: eh
  215. [20:47:12] @quziel: I think talon works
  216. [20:48:03] @quziel: or like just some other set and then tsar last
  217. [20:48:09] @quziel: which I think works a tad better
  218. [20:48:21] zS: tsar last sounds fine
  219. [20:48:29] zS: however this is hella iffy into duck
  220. [20:48:30] Togkey: drag / scarf helio / quag / staka / tsar / talon or aero
  221. [20:48:43] @quziel: what if
  222. [20:48:48] @quziel: we pretend that having talon means we always beat duck
  223. [20:48:54] Togkey: true
  224. [20:49:03] zS: also machamp steemrolls this
  225. [20:49:09] zS: and this is not something talon can do shit about
  226. [20:49:10] zS: '-'
  227. [20:49:10] Aawin: who?
  228. [20:49:18] @quziel: eh
  229. [20:49:20] Ninja: machamp steamrolls everything
  230. [20:49:28] Togkey: shoulda voted machamp a 5 on the tiering survey bro
  231. [20:49:35] Ninja: it wasnt in the survey
  232. [20:49:43] Togkey: wb doublade > staka :D
  233. [20:49:43] Aawin: corrupt TLs
  234. [20:49:43] Ninja: but grimmsnarl somehow was '-'
  235. [20:49:44] Aawin: htsi
  236. [20:49:50] zS: doublade is nice there
  237. [20:49:55] @quziel: hmm
  238. [20:49:59] @quziel: on talon we could do like
  239. [20:50:01] @quziel: sd u-turn
  240. [20:50:07] @quziel: and I think that brings us to sorta workable?
  241. [20:50:11] Who's Blitzy: what about drag with a weak Pol
  242. [20:50:27] zS: man i rly feel like
  243. [20:50:33] zS: helio is ruining this team
  244. [20:50:34] zS: '-'
  245. [20:50:36] Togkey: yea
  246. [20:50:44] @quziel: 'll post this version
  247. [20:50:48] @quziel: then we can rework for a mowtom version
  248. [20:50:49] Togkey: mowtom compacts helio tsar and talon into 1 mon lol
  249. [20:50:50] Who's Blitzy: should we do weak policy drag
  250. [20:51:05] Togkey: drag is too slow to really abuse that imo
  251. [20:51:13] zS: def
  252. [20:51:13] @quziel: https://pokepast.es/98177e885745fa92
  253. [20:51:14] @quziel: ok
  254. [20:51:15] @quziel: so like
  255. [20:51:18] Who's Blitzy: then salac berry?
  256. [20:51:20] @quziel: this is version one
  257. [20:51:25] Ninja: why do we need
  258. [20:51:27] Ninja: scarf lisk
  259. [20:51:29] zS: nooo not the scalding quag
  260. [20:51:29] Ninja: w/ quag
  261. [20:52:00] Who's Blitzy: we could salac berry dragalge
  262. [20:52:10] Togkey: for what
  263. [20:52:14] @quziel: ok so lets work on v2 of the team
  264. [20:52:16] Who's Blitzy: to get better speed
  265. [20:52:18] @quziel: with mowtom over helio
  266. [20:52:57] zS: drag mowtom quag's pretty nice start
  267. [20:53:11] Its j mon: I NEED OU TEAM
  268. [20:53:20] Its j mon: PLEASE PEOPLE
  269. [20:53:32] @quziel: google "smogon rmt forum"
  270. [20:53:35] Its j mon: HELP ME IN MY STUGGLES
  271. [20:53:37] Who's Blitzy: bro go to OU
  272. [20:53:41] @quziel: we're doing a NU teambuilding workshop atm so we cannot fix that atm
  273. [20:53:44] @quziel: or yeah, ask «ou»
  274. [20:53:49] zS: omg how about scrafty there
  275. [20:53:51] Togkey: https://pokepast.es/1443a190d807b059 mowtom version here
  276. [20:54:06] zS: o ig this works
  277. [20:54:13] belugbutbetter: https://pokepast.es/10398663d02e47d9 any advice for this team
  278. [20:54:44] Togkey: that team is beyond saving
  279. [20:54:45] @quziel: ok do we think that tog's version needs any further tuning
  280. [20:54:56] @quziel: my main gripe is my forever "I would love a wincon"
  281. [20:54:58] @quziel: but also
  282. [20:55:01] zS: yes
  283. [20:55:02] @quziel: this is nU so the wincon can just be pivoting
  284. [20:55:03] Aawin: pressure on aero > rock head :D
  285. [20:55:04] Togkey: I wanna try some silly Chople Berry stuff on Copper but idk
  286. [20:55:04] zS: moonblast sylveon
  287. [20:55:20] Qmc Advance: isnt hypervoice better?
  288. [20:55:21] Togkey: could make Copper chople w SR and then make aero an SD talon
  289. [20:55:24] Who's Blitzy: https://pokepast.es/cd73dd77a2c09bbb ??? opinions on any of the drags
  290. [20:55:25] Aawin: moonblast sylv to stop throat chop grimmsnarl
  291. [20:55:34] zS: ^
  292. [20:55:36] @quziel: grimmsnarl runs throat chop semi often
  293. [20:55:38] Who's Blitzy: i donno if the speed drag works so
  294. [20:55:39] @quziel: so if you run hvoice you just lose
  295. [20:55:42] Aawin: ^
  296. [20:55:42] zS: and also makes fights mu a tad better
  297. [20:55:46] Aawin: also true
  298. [20:55:55] @quziel: chople sr copper + sd talon works well
  299. [20:55:57] @quziel: I think
  300. [20:56:01] Togkey: make the sylveon female!
  301. [20:56:03] @quziel: makes you like
  302. [20:56:05] zS: yes female sylv
  303. [20:56:07] Qmc Advance: ahh smart maybe run some speed on slyv
  304. [20:56:07] @quziel: moderately more able to close a game
  305. [20:56:08] Who's Blitzy: what drag is better
  306. [20:56:10] @quziel: and ye, mb sylv
  307. [20:57:02] zS: !code
  308. Sylveon (F) @ Leftovers
  309. Ability: Pixilate
  310. EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD / 4 Spe
  311. Bold Nature
  312. IVs: 0 Atk
  313. - Moonblast
  314. - Wish
  315. - Protect
  316. - Heal Bell
  317. [20:57:03] Togkey: https://pokepast.es/1e5df1cffffb6c27 quz requested wincon team
  318. [20:57:10] Togkey: like teams need a wincon :\
  319. [20:57:24] Togkey: nice pixilate moonblast zs
  320. [20:57:32] zS: oop
  321. [20:57:33] @quziel: shit works
  322. [20:57:35] @quziel: well enough
  323. [20:57:38] @quziel: I'll archive it
  324. [20:57:42] @quziel: and lets move onto team 2
  325. [20:57:44] Aawin: zweilous specs the innovator
  326. [20:57:50] @quziel: ok, so
  327. [20:57:56] @quziel: submit more NU mons to build around
  328. [20:57:58] zS: mhm
  329. [20:58:00] Togkey: morepeko
  330. [20:58:01] Qmc Advance: win con trick room stak
  331. [20:58:23] Togkey: !code
  332. Starmie @ Power Herb
  333. Ability: Analytic
  334. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  335. Timid Nature
  336. - Hydro Pump
  337. - Meteor Beam
  338. - Ice Beam
  339. - Rapid Spin
  340. [20:58:27] Togkey: demon star
  341. [20:58:32] Ninja: boltund
  342. [20:58:35] Ninja: unironically
  343. [20:58:38] Ninja: or
  344. [20:58:43] Ninja: sheer force druddigon
  345. [20:58:46] PM ash: Hi
  346. [20:58:47] zS: boltund has arco and i's label.
  347. [20:58:57] Ninja: sf lo drud then
  348. [20:58:59] Togkey: the bolt is surely broken..
  349. [20:59:13] Qmc Advance: make a trick room team, specs dramp
  350. [20:59:14] Vinc3n: Ooh star
  351. [20:59:21] zS: darkvally is probably viable
  352. [20:59:27] zS: we could try that
  353. [20:59:41] Aawin: darkvally + staka :o
  354. [20:59:45] zS: :oo
  355. [20:59:53] @quziel: we could like
  356. [20:59:53] Aawin: just load up on fighting answers
  357. [20:59:57] @quziel: just expand to "non groundvally vally"
  358. [21:00:02] @quziel: caus elike dragonvally is also funny
  359. [21:00:06] Vinc3n: Whats the team like so far?
  360. [21:00:08] zS: dragvally is pretty nice
  361. [21:00:11] @quziel: we're deciding on team 2
  362. [21:00:13] @quziel: team 1 was https://pokepast.es/1e5df1cffffb6c27
  363. [21:00:14] Togkey: !code
  364. Silvally-Dark @ Dark Memory
  365. Ability: RKS System
  366. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  367. Jolly Nature
  368. - Multi-Attack
  369. - Iron Head
  370. - U-turn
  371. - Swords Dance
  372. [21:00:28] @quziel: ok
  373. [21:00:31] @quziel: I'll put up the second poll
  374. [21:00:43] Vinc3n: Ooh i know that set
  375. [21:01:08] Aawin: cb decid?
  376. [21:01:10] Aawin: :D
  377. [21:01:18] A poll was started by quziel.
  378. [21:01:29] @quziel: I am
  379. [21:01:31] @quziel: smart
  380. [21:01:41] Vinc3n: Dvally
  381. [21:01:41] Qmc Advance: that meteor beam starmie sounds nasty
  382. [21:02:00] Togkey: what are ur thoughts on tr staka? personally i think meteor beam starmie
  383. [21:02:09] A poll was started by quziel.
  384. [21:02:38] Qmc Advance: tr stak with the right suppot can run through teams
  385. [21:02:46] Qmc Advance: support **
  386. [21:03:08] belugbutbetter: https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen7anythinggoes-1560011771
  387. [21:03:42] @quziel: ok
  388. [21:03:43] @quziel: time for
  389. [21:03:46] @quziel: poll 2
  390. [21:04:04] A poll was started by quziel.
  391. [21:04:57] Togkey: LOL
  392. [21:04:58] Who's Blitzy: why not do both
  393. [21:05:00] Who's Blitzy: ?
  394. [21:05:06] Ninja: u can tbh
  395. [21:05:10] @quziel: ok
  396. [21:05:13] Ninja: nooo
  397. [21:05:13] @quziel: Darkvally
  398. [21:05:29] Vinc3n: Darkvally
  399. [21:05:30] Togkey: !pick silv dark, drud
  400. We randomly picked: drud
  401. [21:05:32] @quziel: !code
  402. Silvally-Dark @ Dark Memory
  403. Ability: RKS System
  404. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  405. Jolly Nature
  406. - Multi-Attack
  407. - Swords Dance
  408. - U-turn
  409. - Iron Head
  410. [21:05:33] Togkey: ok
  411. [21:05:33] @quziel: ok
  412. [21:05:33] Qmc Advance: who would darkvally be good for?
  413. [21:05:38] @quziel: here's our feller
  414. [21:05:42] @quziel: its groundvally but slightly worse
  415. [21:05:58] Who's Blitzy: so are we doing Silvally or Drud
  416. [21:06:02] @quziel: silvaly
  417. [21:06:03] Togkey: silv dark has coverage for common dark resists
  418. [21:06:35] @quziel: so like
  419. [21:06:49] @quziel: main thing is 1) what do we lure in, and 2) what beats is, and 3) what do we need at 60% to sweep
  420. [21:06:54] Togkey: iron head hits fairy-types and u-turn for dark-types, all we need is something to beat fighting-types
  421. [21:06:56] zS: https://pokepast.es/06849008c48138d9 made a scratch out of it while poll was running
  422. [21:07:20] Aawin: broski this do be a workshop, buildin er step by step kek
  423. [21:07:26] zS: i made a scratch i said
  424. [21:07:27] zS: '-'
  425. [21:07:32] Aawin: '-'
  426. [21:07:33] Togkey: !code
  427. Vileplume @ Rocky Helmet
  428. Ability: Effect Spore
  429. EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
  430. Bold Nature
  431. IVs: 0 Atk
  432. - Giga Drain
  433. - Sludge Bomb
  434. - Strength Sap
  435. - Corrosive Gas
  436. [21:07:34] zS: might be a scratch with full sets
  437. [21:07:38] zS: i know
  438. [21:07:39] Ninja: fighting types are easy to wear down
  439. [21:07:41] Who's Blitzy: instead of uturn wb parting shot
  440. [21:07:50] Togkey: why
  441. [21:07:51] Ninja: nah it needs uturn to dmg dark types
  442. [21:07:53] NULA Trance: ^
  443. [21:07:56] @quziel: u-turn's coverage is nice ye
  444. [21:08:05] Togkey: also just damaging stuff in general for later
  445. [21:08:15] zS: y
  446. [21:08:24] zS: pivoting into silv let copper in was my first idea tbh
  447. [21:09:10] Togkey: so I have silvally-dark + helmet plume
  448. [21:09:14] Togkey: I'd like a volt immune
  449. [21:09:26] @quziel: helmet plume has nice synergy ye
  450. [21:09:34] zS: sounds like a muds moment to me
  451. [21:09:41] @quziel: forces damage on u-turn fightings, sorta forces damage onto weezing
  452. [21:09:48] Who's Blitzy: what abt
  453. [21:10:00] @quziel: we could be er
  454. [21:10:01] @quziel: rhydon users
  455. [21:10:06] Who's Blitzy: SD, Multi, Iron Head, Flame, Charge
  456. [21:10:10] Qmc Advance: assualt vest hitmonlee would be fun if yall do a 3rd team
  457. [21:10:22] Who's Blitzy: flame charge*
  458. [21:10:27] @quziel: that said
  459. [21:10:28] @quziel: mudsdale
  460. [21:10:32] @quziel: fits suepr easy
  461. [21:10:36] zS: muds is just
  462. [21:10:39] @quziel: and literally has never been punished in all of NU
  463. [21:10:40] zS: insane
  464. [21:10:45] zS: to pass out for rhydon
  465. [21:10:54] Who's Blitzy: nex poll put kartana on there
  466. [21:11:01] Togkey: https://pokepast.es/460686ecbb69d14d
  467. [21:11:12] Vinc3n: Yeah no
  468. [21:11:20] zS: o tog
  469. [21:11:22] zS: let me give you
  470. [21:11:24] zS: a secret tip
  471. [21:11:40] Togkey: let me give you this ratio
  472. [21:11:45] @quziel: we can then
  473. [21:11:46] Who's Blitzy: bruh
  474. [21:11:48] @quziel: shove on random toge
  475. [21:11:53] @quziel: to make mowtom sad
  476. [21:11:55] zS: !code
  477. Silvally-Ghost (Silvally-Dark) @ Dark Memory
  478. Ability: RKS System
  479. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  480. Jolly Nature
  481. - Swords Dance
  482. - Multi-Attack
  483. - Iron Head
  484. - U-turn
  485. [21:11:58] zS: this works better
  486. [21:12:08] Togkey: what did u change
  487. [21:12:16] zS: the nickname.
  488. [21:12:20] Togkey: ik but
  489. [21:12:24] Togkey: what formatting did you use
  490. [21:12:28] zS: there's the - now
  491. [21:12:35] Togkey: does that work
  492. [21:12:38] zS: ye
  493. [21:12:41] @quziel: hello fellow NUers
  494. [21:12:47] @quziel: how do you feel about a very rare mon
  495. [21:12:50] zS: but i had to take it from google
  496. [21:12:52] @quziel: that is pretty niche
  497. [21:12:55] zS: to make it work
  498. [21:12:59] Vinc3n: What mon?
  499. [21:13:02] @quziel: talonflame
  500. [21:13:06] zS: yep
  501. [21:13:09] zS: i like that
  502. [21:13:17] Vinc3n: Talon rare?
  503. [21:13:30] Qmc Advance: not for ladder when i play lol
  504. [21:13:37] zS: + we're getting the aesthetic bonus from using an uncommon mon
  505. [21:14:04] @quziel: ye
  506. [21:14:09] @quziel: I see way more braviary
  507. [21:14:15] Togkey: what steel do we add to this
  508. [21:14:21] Togkey: our ice resist is mudsdale
  509. [21:14:26] zS: copper
  510. [21:14:31] Togkey: we could do vapo escav lol
  511. [21:14:41] @quziel: ngl
  512. [21:14:42] Togkey: idk if I like muds here
  513. [21:14:44] @quziel: otr staka
  514. [21:14:45] Togkey: team is so slow
  515. [21:14:46] @quziel: sorta works
  516. [21:14:56] @quziel: ngl
  517. [21:14:59] @quziel: plume and then muds
  518. [21:15:01] @quziel: forces us to be super slow
  519. [21:15:12] zS: if u wanna take the fast route
  520. [21:15:17] zS: u gotta do tsar over ploom
  521. [21:15:18] Vinc3n: Yeah it is slow
  522. [21:15:34] Qmc Advance: do tr thats more uncom
  523. [21:15:51] Togkey: tsar doesn't beat the fighting types tho
  524. [21:16:01] zS: outplay?
  525. [21:16:08] Togkey: truth
  526. [21:16:09] Togkey: wb
  527. [21:16:16] Togkey: tsar + static stunfisk
  528. [21:16:23] @quziel: we could mantine ig
  529. [21:16:26] Togkey: + mantine
  530. [21:16:27] zS: hell no
  531. [21:16:37] zS: we're not using fakemons
  532. [21:16:46] Togkey: which one
  533. [21:16:50] Togkey: fisk or mantine
  534. [21:16:53] @quziel: actually
  535. [21:16:54] zS: mantine
  536. [21:16:57] @quziel: what if over plume
  537. [21:16:57] zS: fisk's a real one
  538. [21:16:58] @quziel: we dhelm
  539. [21:17:04] @quziel: honest
  540. [21:17:05] zS: ow
  541. [21:17:08] zS: dhelm's nice
  542. [21:17:17] zS: we could fog decid too
  543. [21:17:17] Vinc3n: Dhelm then were still slow
  544. [21:17:51] @quziel: what if we helmet dhelm
  545. [21:17:54] @quziel: to make the groundvallys sad
  546. [21:18:05] @quziel: or just boots and then have it be a sorta meh stoise check
  547. [21:18:49] @quziel: ig its dhelm or tsar
  548. [21:18:51] @quziel: I think both work
  549. [21:18:57] zS: ye both work fine
  550. [21:19:06] Togkey: I can't fit a scarfer on this team
  551. [21:19:07] Togkey: lol
  552. [21:19:20] zS: (starmie)
  553. [21:20:30] @quziel: so like
  554. [21:20:35] @quziel: vally/tsar/muds/scarf starmie
  555. [21:20:37] @quziel: kinda thing?
  556. [21:20:40] Togkey: I have this rn
  557. [21:20:40] Togkey: https://pokepast.es/14bb9c615b470fa1
  558. [21:20:43] Togkey: very slow though
  559. [21:20:53] zS: sub tox mantine
  560. [21:20:54] zS: yaaaay
  561. [21:20:55] +meri berry❧: stunfisk moment
  562. [21:20:57] zS: that's a great set
  563. [21:21:00] zS: o hi meri
  564. [21:21:01] Togkey: fish is goated
  565. [21:21:04] Togkey: hi meri hi
  566. [21:21:07] Togkey: fisk*
  567. [21:21:08] +meri berry❧: also yeah that's slow as sin
  568. [21:21:14] Vinc3n: Meri goat
  569. [21:21:16] +meri berry❧: you have to use scarf tsar or rotom on it
  570. [21:21:31] Ninja: whys there a stunfisk
  571. [21:21:35] Togkey: shush
  572. [21:21:37] +meri berry❧: static probably
  573. [21:21:48] +meri berry❧: you can punish talon uturn and stuff like that
  574. [21:21:49] +meri berry❧: it's alright
  575. [21:21:56] Togkey: its better than gunfisk
  576. [21:21:58] Ninja: honestly id prefer mb sylveon
  577. [21:22:06] Togkey: I just clicked import bro
  578. [21:22:29] +meri berry❧: for all non nu players, hyper voice sylveon can be stopped with throat chop
  579. [21:22:36] +meri berry❧: which means dark types can beat it sometimes
  580. [21:22:37] ImThatLucy♥: WACHA!
  581. [21:22:45] +meri berry❧: which is kind of lame
  582. [21:22:56] Vinc3n: True meri has a point
  583. [21:22:56] @quziel: thinking
  584. [21:22:59] K4mster: is thundurus-t good in ou
  585. [21:23:06] @quziel: silv-d/tsar/muds/offenisve as hell poison or dark
  586. [21:23:08] @quziel: sorta works?
  587. [21:23:20] zS: silv tsar muds starmie croak tflame
  588. [21:23:22] +meri berry❧: thundy-t isn't really good in ou
  589. [21:23:23] @quziel: or maybe like
  590. [21:23:29] @quziel: silv-d/band decid/muds/mant
  591. [21:23:31] @quziel: kinda thing?
  592. [21:23:33] K4mster: dang
  593. [21:23:35] zS: mant
  594. [21:23:36] zS: whodat
  595. [21:23:41] zS: ah mantine
  596. [21:23:47] @quziel: I don't really like fog mant, but like
  597. [21:23:53] K4mster: i wanted to build a team around nasty plot thundy-t
  598. [21:23:54] @quziel: trying to fit a secondary fight resist and removal here sorta sux
  599. [21:23:58] +meri berry❧: it's probably okay but
  600. [21:24:02] +meri berry❧: you have a lot of competition
  601. [21:24:05] @quziel: its gotten some hype on rain builds
  602. [21:24:18] +meri berry❧: and the speed tier is a little awkward
  603. [21:24:20] @quziel: prolly literally just take standard rain, drop your flying for thund, and then drop seis for another breaker
  604. [21:25:13] +AM: hello
  605. [21:25:14] zS: https://pokepast.es/2d41862e8f813ff1 reposting what i had cuz i lowkey like it '-'
  606. [21:25:23] +AM: oh this is the workshop whoops my bad
  607. [21:25:34] +meri berry❧: it's okay
  608. [21:25:35] +meri berry❧: hi am
  609. [21:25:36] K4mster: hmmm
  610. [21:25:58] +AM: hello meri
  611. [21:26:10] K4mster: what if i built a team around nasty plot torn-t
  612. [21:26:15] Togkey: our issue is that we need a SR setter but we're already fight weak
  613. [21:26:26] Togkey: !dt palossand
  614. [21:26:28] Togkey: him
  615. [21:26:30] zS: think with muds + tflame u should be fine going into fighting types wse
  616. [21:26:33] zS: omg my goat
  617. [21:26:43] Togkey: sandaconda
  618. [21:26:57] zS: sanda's great but u gotta go out of ur way with rmow
  619. [21:27:17] Togkey: ye
  620. [21:28:28] baloor: e
  621. [21:28:43] baloor: oops
  622. [21:28:45] @quziel: https://pokepast.es/c11be9b816008be3
  623. [21:28:47] baloor: i was not here, goodbye
  624. [21:28:48] @quziel: I got this variant
  625. [21:28:52] @quziel: its sorta similar to zS's
  626. [21:28:54] @quziel: but different
  627. [21:29:14] zS: i sort of like it
  628. [21:29:31] zS: just not sure about rh muddy
  629. [21:29:39] zS: with no wish support
  630. [21:30:01] @quziel: eh I think its justifable enough
  631. [21:30:04] @quziel: if you just play aggro
  632. [21:30:22] zS: ye prob
  633. [21:30:38] Ninja: maybe w/ rest
  634. [21:30:41] Ninja: but otherwise idk
  635. [21:32:26] @quziel: I might just archive zS's and tog's build, archive them
  636. [21:32:26] @quziel: and like
  637. [21:32:34] @quziel: move on cause I don't really love how building with groundvally is workin
  638. [21:34:05] Togkey: https://pokepast.es/1504f8fb8edad689
  639. [21:34:07] Togkey: just made this
  640. [21:34:26] Togkey: loses to silv g but what doesn't
  641. [21:34:32] @quziel: ok
  642. [21:34:37] @quziel: lets move onto next/final team
  643. [21:34:48] @quziel: ok
  644. [21:34:49] @quziel: so
  645. [21:34:53] @quziel: taking submission for mons to build around
  646. [21:35:12] RedDiamond1024: what format?
  647. [21:35:14] Ninja: sf drud '-'
  648. [21:35:16] @quziel: SMNU
  649. [21:35:39] RedDiamond1024: ambipom is terrible there right?
  650. [21:35:45] luser4: doesnt exist
  651. [21:35:46] @quziel: ambipom doesn't exist in gen8 iirc
  652. [21:35:50] baloor: you said sm
  653. [21:35:52] baloor: !
  654. [21:35:56] RedDiamond1024: yeah you said sm nu
  655. [21:35:59] @quziel: oh
  656. [21:36:00] @quziel: SSNU
  657. [21:36:12] RedDiamond1024: braviary
  658. [21:36:23] zS: i'll head out
  659. [21:36:25] +meri berry❧: brav is a cool one
  660. [21:36:26] zS: gn
  661. [21:36:29] Togkey: gn
  662. [21:36:32] RedDiamond1024: gn zS
  663. [21:36:33] +meri berry❧: bulk up, band, scarf, boots 3 attacks
  664. [21:36:36] +meri berry❧: gn z's
  665. [21:36:41] +meri berry❧: zs*
  666. [21:36:48] Togkey: virizion
  667. [21:37:11] @quziel: ig I'll submit one
  668. [21:37:15] @quziel: Lanturn
  669. [21:38:06] K4mster: indeedee-f?
  670. [21:38:14] ImThatLucy♥: Why do so many people in the competitive formats like OU don't say anything?
  671. [21:38:27] RedDiamond1024: wdym ImThatLucy?
  672. [21:38:33] ImThatLucy♥: They won't say hi
  673. [21:38:35] ImThatLucy♥: Or gg
  674. [21:38:42] ImThatLucy♥: they just play then leave
  675. [21:38:46] RedDiamond1024: Idk, I say gg most of the time
  676. [21:39:06] @quziel: ok, if noone else has another submission
  677. [21:39:11] @quziel: I'll start a poll soon
  678. [21:39:13] +AM: submissions for what?
  679. [21:39:17] @quziel: a final NU team
  680. [21:39:21] @quziel: aka a mon to build around
  681. [21:39:26] +AM: SS?
  682. [21:39:27] baloor: do i have to say a
  683. [21:39:30] baloor: particular mon
  684. [21:39:30] @quziel: SS ye
  685. [21:39:33] baloor: are a concept
  686. [21:39:34] +AM: what are the submissions
  687. [21:39:38] @quziel: either works
  688. [21:39:51] baloor: ghost type + volt switch
  689. [21:39:55] @quziel: we got virizion, braviary, indeedee-f, sheer force druddigon
  690. [21:40:04] baloor: not sure if its valid kek
  691. [21:40:09] +AM: ok I'll say spikes stack
  692. [21:40:15] +AM: or w/e mon does that
  693. [21:40:22] Ninja: we dont have good spikers
  694. [21:40:27] +AM: rip!
  695. [21:40:31] baloor: yeah im trying to build with garb rn
  696. [21:40:32] baloor: shits ass
  697. [21:40:33] luser4: //ds spikes nu :sob:
  698. [21:40:33] @quziel: honest lass and garb are like
  699. [21:40:35] @quziel: semi usable
  700. [21:40:37] Togkey: Heliolisk spikes
  701. [21:40:46] Ninja: garb ferro lass
  702. [21:40:47] +AM: drudd sounds more fun anyways
  703. [21:40:49] Ninja: are usable
  704. [21:40:53] Ninja: LO drud
  705. [21:40:57] K4mster: ooh rotom-mow
  706. [21:41:01] @quziel: ferro honest works
  707. [21:41:05] Ninja: it ohkos defensive sylveon '-'
  708. [21:41:11] @quziel: considering xat is on the down and it beats eq TR stak and stoise
  709. [21:41:11] baloor: i used lo drud a while ago
  710. [21:41:12] @quziel: ok
  711. [21:41:13] baloor: it was cool
  712. [21:41:41] A poll was started by quziel.
  713. [21:43:48] @quziel: ok
  714. [21:43:51] @quziel: braviary it is
  715. [21:44:04] Ninja: agility 3 attacks
  716. [21:44:05] @quziel: so lets first discuss what kinda brav
  717. [21:44:16] @quziel: agility 3a, roost 3a, subbu, bu 2 attacks all are like
  718. [21:44:19] @quziel: within the realm of viability
  719. [21:44:19] Togkey: agility 3 attacks is crazy
  720. [21:44:27] +AM: heater
  721. [21:44:41] Ninja: wait
  722. [21:44:45] Ninja: special w/
  723. [21:44:49] Ninja: hurricane heat wave
  724. [21:45:03] Togkey: !dt husian braviary
  725. [21:45:06] baloor: thank you ninja v cool
  726. [21:45:14] Togkey: !dt braviary-hisuian
  727. [21:46:30] @quziel: agility 3 attacks iwth like
  728. [21:46:31] @quziel: spikes
  729. [21:46:34] @quziel: almost def works
  730. [21:46:42] @quziel: and combines 2 of the design focuses in the poll
  731. [21:47:50] +AM: whats set?
  732. [21:47:59] @quziel: agility/bb/cc/facade or iron head
  733. [21:48:08] +AM: iron for diancie right?
  734. [21:48:10] @quziel: ye
  735. [21:48:15] @quziel: I think fero has like
  736. [21:48:19] @quziel: legit very good synergy here
  737. [21:49:28] +AM: so you'd have the bird, ferro, then the rocker?
  738. [21:49:35] @quziel: ye
  739. [21:50:22] +AM: word I dont know anything about this format lol
  740. [21:50:56] RedDiamond1024: same AM
  741. [21:51:20] @quziel: lowkey feels diancie?
  742. [21:51:21] @quziel: but maybe not
  743. [21:52:34] Starlight Burst: Hey guys what are we don't?
  744. [21:52:38] Starlight Burst: *doing
  745. [21:52:40] @quziel: NU workshop
  746. [21:52:42] @quziel: ok
  747. [21:52:49] @quziel: so thinking like a sorta offensive resist berry diancie
  748. [21:52:51] @quziel: feels nice here
  749. [21:53:15] @quziel: and then like a starmie cause we need some more speed, a last ditch spikes removal, and can afford the stoise weak water
  750. [21:53:42] +AM: could work
  751. [21:55:05] @quziel: !code
  752. Diancie @ Shuca Berry
  753. Ability: Clear Body
  754. EVs: 252 HP / 80 SpA / 176 Spe
  755. Modest Nature
  756. - Stealth Rock
  757. - Diamond Storm
  758. - Moonblast
  759. - Earth Power
  760. [21:55:08] @quziel: god this is a sorta cursed set
  761. [21:55:11] @quziel: but I think it semi functions
  762. [21:55:20] @quziel: hmm
  763. [21:55:25] @quziel: now we need a proper way to stop the vortex
  764. [21:55:27] @quziel: so prolly groundvally
  765. [21:55:34] Starlight Burst: What does the speed do vapo?
  766. [21:55:45] @quziel: its roughly vapo ye
  767. [21:55:51] @quziel: thinking more prolly just go for like
  768. [21:55:59] @quziel: max raj
  769. [21:56:25] Togkey: https://pokepast.es/dac66f42241e7012
  770. [21:56:29] Togkey: my team
  771. [21:56:32] Starlight Burst: 124 creeps vapo
  772. [21:57:17] Starlight Burst: Do we have to use the said braviary set?
  773. [22:00:58] @quziel: https://pokepast.es/7fd4b1ecec28c09b
  774. [22:01:01] @quziel: I don't know if I love this
  775. [22:01:20] +AM: like the first five
  776. [22:01:25] @quziel: needed a like
  777. [22:04:20] @quziel: ground check that matched well into vap
  778. [22:06:06] @quziel: honest I do think SD Offensive Talon over Brav
  779. [22:06:09] @quziel: fits a lot better
  780. [22:06:10] @quziel: giving a like
  781. [22:06:12] @quziel: source of priorty
  782. [22:06:38] +meri berry❧: that team looks kinda cool lol
  783. [22:06:41] +meri berry❧: meteor beam starmie
  784. [22:07:11] Starlight Burst: https://pokepast.es/c0d1721895e71ea0 what about this
  785. [22:08:06] @quziel: ok I think I'll archive these and call it a day
  786. [22:08:08] @quziel: as I'm sorta tired
  787. [22:08:19] @quziel: and I have literally like a third of a pound of kiwis to eat
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