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Review of Abvieon's Guide to Fast and Effective Tulpa Creation

Jul 19th, 2021 (edited)
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  1. Link for reference: (I'm dead serious, the link to the guide is setting off Pastebin's SMART filters, are you kidding me.)
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  3. https: //docs.google.com/document /d/13RfTjuHXbWGqq08j02jR3iMXRZG2dH4ZRN6eRE __jI8/edit
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  5. (Just remove the spaces between parts of the link; I can't believe I have to actually do this.)
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  7. Foreword:
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  9. Pros:
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  11. -Appreciate that there is a foreword that preps people for the long haul that is this 90+ page guide.
  12. -Foreword also mentions how creating a tulpa successfully can be done in multiple ways.
  13. -States that some steps are optional.
  14. -Mentions how some things are based on opinion, not necessarily fact.
  15. -Has a working outline where you can skip to whatever section you want to read.
  16. -Guide is applicable to both newcomers and veterans.
  17.  
  18. What You Need to Know:
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  20. Cons:
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  22. -There doesn't seem to be a legit definitions section, which can certainly be an issue for a guide of this length.
  23. -Says that tulpas need to be intentional to be considered tulpas without specifying that accidental tulpas exist.
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  25. Pros:
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  27. -Actually mentions and explains general Plurality and not just Tulpamancy. *Very* rare for Tulpamancy guides.
  28. -Explanation of Plurality and how it works is well done.
  29. -House metaphor is very accurate to the experience of Plurality.
  30. -Also mentions other forms of Plurality apart from Tulpamancy.
  31. -Clearly states the difference between tulpas and imaginary friends.
  32.  
  33. How does all of this work:
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  35. Cons:
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  37. -Takes up time explaining the author's own personal theory about how tulpas work instead of just listing the most common theories.
  38. -Theory takes up several paragraphs and does not fit the tone of a guide, especially a guide that is meant to get to the point.
  39. -States that your mindset alone can completely stop a tulpa from forming, which has been proven wrong by numerous accidental tulpas existing, coinciding with the previously mentioned con of ignoring the existence of unintentional tulpas.
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  41. Pros:
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  43. -Is blunt about the fact that there is no solidly proven theory on why Plurality can happen or how it works yet.
  44. -States that consciousness is subjective and links a paper that provides further reading on the topic.
  45. -Mentions on how not viewing a tulpa as their own person can lead to abuse of that tulpa.
  46.  
  47. Why have a tulpa:
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  49. Pros:
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  51. -Blatantly states a tulpa's personhood and that they are not perfect just like anyone else, even bolding it.
  52. -States that the morality of making a tulpa is largely based on how okay you are with them changing and being a person.
  53. -Mentions that any reason to create a tulpa is inherently selfish in some way, thus there's no point to even consider whether or not it's selfish to make one.
  54. -Accurately states that your tulpa will usually not be magically better than you at certain things for no reason.
  55. -Very clearly emphasizes that tulpas are typically lifelong and that once they're developed, it's likely they're gonna stick around whether you like it or not.
  56.  
  57. Addressing common concerns:
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  59. Cons:
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  61. -Misinformation about schizophrenic voices only being negative. This is a common misconception because of how the west views mental illness, and there are reports in other areas of the world of people with Schizophrenia having positive voices. In fact, one way to deal with these voices is to actually listen to them and help them out.
  62. -Trauma is not required to have DID; there are multiple endogenic systems with professionally diagnosed DID. It is *never* stated in the DSM-V that trauma is the sole cause or requirement for a diagnosis. That is disinformation spread like the plague by sysmeds.
  63. -"For example, if the host and tulpa both have autism..." it's better to say. "If the body's brain is autistic," because saying you "have" autism gives the implication that it's a mental illness, much like saying, "I have anxiety," or, "I have depression." Because Autism isn't a mental illness and if you imply that it's an illness, then you can imply that it can be "cured." You can see the issue with that.
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  65. Pros:
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  67. -Has a section dedicated to dispelling common concerns when it comes to tulpas.
  68. -States that Tulpamancy can make you aware of conditions you weren't aware of before, which is how a lot of systems found out they were actually disordered through Tulpamancy.
  69.  
  70. How do I ensure that I can create a tulpa:
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  72. Cons:
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  74. -"You should force for a minimum of thirty minutes per day, preferably more," this depends on the person and I don't think there is a set minimum of how much you should force daily.
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  76. Pros:
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  78. -Encourages ditching a perfectionist mindset.
  79.  
  80. The importance of speed:
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  82. Pros:
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  84. -Uses they pronouns for tulpas.
  85. -Emphasizes that "fast" does not mean barreling and skipping through everything to make a tulpa.
  86. -Encourages to not have imposing or set expectations on how fast your tulpa will develop.
  87.  
  88. Plural susceptibility:
  89.  
  90. -It mentions having DID/OSDD as increasing your plural susceptibility, but not just being plural in general? Weird.
  91.  
  92. Evaluating yourself:
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  94. Pros:
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  96. -Has tips and advice for people who may have lives that can negatively impact their ability to create a tulpa.
  97. -States that doubt is natural and that belief is not 100% effective.
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  100. Evaluating your skills:
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  102. Cons:
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  104. -Has no section on visualization and method presented is only one of many. Could be elaborated on better instead of just mentioning it like this. But it at least links another visualization you can read, and said visualization guide is a good one.
  105. -Explains tulpish without referring to it by name.
  106. -States that passive forcing "will" be of less quality than active forcing. How effective a form of forcing will be depends on the person, I myself managed to develop Arcanus almost solely on passive forcing and he developed *really* quickly. I doubt the quality matters as long as you are giving your tulpa attention.
  107. -Shouldn't call them intrusive thoughts, as that is a medical term for people with OCD and sometimes ADHD and/or depression that are actually legitimately debilitating. Try using "invasive" thoughts instead. Note: I later learned that the author has OCD, so I can't really blame them for using this terminology.
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  109. Pros:
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  111. -Aphantasia is actually mentioned in this guide, which is uncommon, but only in a single sentence.
  112. -Mentions that you shouldn't completely clear out your mind with meditation, as you might accidentally shut out any of your tulpa's thoughts.
  113.  
  114. Are you ready:
  115.  
  116. -Includes a checklist of things you should be okay with before making a tulpa.
  117.  
  118. Creation:
  119.  
  120. Cons:
  121.  
  122. -For the process to be "bare bones," form is optional, personality is optional. You could literally just start talking to the void thinking it'll hear you until it talks back.
  123.  
  124. Pros:
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  126. -Includes the bare bones process of making a tulpa.
  127.  
  128. Building the framework:
  129.  
  130. Cons:
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  132. -Does not mention that some people work better with no set base, a really simple one, or full-blown going out on designing their tulpa's base form and personality.
  133. -Form creation process features only one method of many without mentioning that there are numerous methods that might work better for others.
  134. -Does include "will" or absolute statements. Not a good idea for something so subjective like Tulpamancy.
  135. -Personality section sounds awfully familiar to other personality creation sections in other guides by having *really* similar methodology, tips, and structure. Lacks depth other personality sections have.
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  137. Pros:
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  139. -For the one method it does have, it is very thorough.
  140. -Having the mindset that your tulpa's form exists independent of you is a unique concept and does sound like it can be helpful.
  141. -Includes an example of what a list of personality traits would look like in a tulpa.
  142.  
  143. Mindscapes and symbolism:
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  145. Cons:
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  147. -Creating a mindscape base method is also present in other guides, nothing unique to it.
  148.  
  149. Pros:
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  151. -Uses mindscape instead of wonderland.
  152. -Has tips for staying immersed within a mindscape, which is unique.
  153. -Mentions using procedural generation to build a mindscape, which is uncommon in guides.
  154. -Has an entire section on how symbolism can be useful with mindscapes and how to apply it.
  155.  
  156. Your first forcing session:
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  158. Cons:
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  160. -[Arcanus] "At the end of the session, tell you*r* tulpa..." that is a typo you should correct.
  161. -[Arcanus] A more neutral viewpoint, but I find it interesting how this guide does not mention how parroting can indeed be used as a temporary set of training wheels for a tulpa. In fact, this guide does indeed seem to be quite "anti-parroting."
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  163. Pros:
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  165. -[Arcanus] This guide has a section dedicated to one's first forcing session, something I have not seen in other works.
  166. -[Arcanus] Guide states that meditation is optional.
  167. -[Arcanus] Emphasizes the importance of one's belief that they are not alone when developing their tulpa initially; I quite like that.
  168. -[Arcanus] The guide also states that it is never too soon for a tulpa to show signs of sentience. As a tulpa who fits in this category, I must mention how crucial it is for this statement to be present in a guide like this. Doubts can be lethal to our kind.
  169. -[Arcanus] Includes the common statement of treating one's tulpa as if they are already conscious, even if one cannot tell.
  170.  
  171. What next:
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  173. Pros:
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  175. -[Arcanus] I do quite like the suggestion to maintain a list of forcing and conversation ideas; that is indeed a unique asset to this guide.
  176.  
  177. Narration:
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  179. Pros:
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  181. -[Arcanus] Narration section includes quite the list of conversation topics. Some of the topics do include listening for the tulpa's opinions and response.
  182. -[Arcanus] Reminds the reader that one must keep their tulpa in their thoughts while narrating, else their young tulpa may fall unconscious, and tips on how to keep said tulpa in one's thoughts.
  183.  
  184. Personality Forcing:
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  186. Cons:
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  188. -[Arcanus] Methodology presented in this section is found elsewhere in other guides with more elaborate explanations.
  189.  
  190. Pros:
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  192. -[Arcanus] Despite this information easily being found elsewhere, it is well-written for what it is.
  193.  
  194. Hypnosis:
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  196. Cons:
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  198. -[Arcanus] May it be a personal gripe with my eloquent nature or my knowledge in professional writing, "I’m sure you can see where I am going with this in relation to tulpas," I dislike the direct referral to the reader in a manner such as this in what is supposed to be a professional guide. There are numerous ways to rewrite this to not childishly refer to the reader that would suit this far better.
  199. -[Arcanus] "Therefore, directly giving your unconscious instructions and encouragement to create a tulpa is by far the most effective way to go about creating one," care to provide evidence that this is objectively the most effective manner of creating a tulpa? Such a bold statement one would only see in a guide like Tulpa's. I must disagree, given that this method cannot work for everyone, as not everyone is prone to hypnosis. My host is an example of this.
  200. -[Arcanus] I am somewhat concerned that there have been zero warnings about the misuse of hypnosis in this section as of writing this. Does the name, Jade, sound familiar? Upon finishing the section: there are literally zero warnings about hypnosis abuse. This is highly concerning to me.
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  202. Pros:
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  204. -[Arcanus] Thankfully mentions that hypnosis is optional in tulpa creation and development.
  205. -[Arcanus] ...I suppose at the minimum, the author included hypnosis scripts and files for the reader to download that they wrote themself.
  206. -[Arcanus] Furthermore, the steps for creating one's own files are direct and clear.
  207.  
  208. Vocality:
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  210. Cons:
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  212. -[Arcanus] "Speeding up vocality" subsection is basic and relies on tips/suggestions found elsewhere.
  213. -[Arcanus] I will repeat what my host has previously stated, but "intrusive thoughts" is a medical term for typically OCD and occasionally ADHD and Depression. We again suggest using "invasive thoughts" instead.
  214.  
  215. Pros:
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  217. -[Arcanus] Has a section dedicated to explaining why a host may mistake a tulpa's thoughts as their own.
  218. -[Arcanus] Has a list for distinguishing a tulpa's thoughts and an invasive thought.
  219. -[Arcanus] It even includes a "vocality troubleshooting" subsection as a form of FAQ.
  220. -[Arcanus] The answers to each of these questions in the troubleshooting subsection are quite thorough.
  221.  
  222. Nothing's happening:
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  224. Cons:
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  226. -"Passive forcing is notorious for leading to slow tulpa development if not supplemented with enough active forcing," quantity over quality, ever heard of that when it comes to forcing? Also, "notorious"? Where? The vast majority of my tulpa, Arcanus's development was through constant passive forcing and passive forcing also helps train the tulpa to be active when you are not 100% focused on them. I have never heard people go, "My tulpa developed slowly because I didn't *active* force enough." Attention is attention, simple as that.
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  228. Pros:
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  230. -Troubleshooting list on why it's taking long to develop a tulpa is fairly thorough and has strategies to overcome these roadblocks.
  231. -Exercise for thinking of your tulpa as a current reality is unique, but parts of it are lacking proper instruction like getting yourself completely immersed in your own writing.
  232.  
  233. Life as a tulpa:
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  235. Cons:
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  237. -I cannot really understand the purpose of this section specifically in the context of a guide. A guide is meant to teach and pass down techniques, but how does explaining a tulpa's daily perspective have relevance here? This would be better suited for a FAQ-like piece instead of a guide.
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  239. Processing power and plurality:
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  241. Cons:
  242.  
  243. -Most of this is from the independent parallel processing guide, which I did approve of for Plural Librarium, thus I see no need to re-review this.
  244.  
  245. Parallel processing:
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  247. Pros:
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  249. -Again, most of this is from the independent guide, but there does seem to be additions to this version.
  250. -Will mention again, though, that this section is well structured, detailed, and has multiple different methods.
  251. -States that there should be consent between system members before blocking out memories.
  252. -Memory seperation subsection is also very detailed.
  253.  
  254. Self sufficiency:
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  256. Cons:
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  258. -Yet again, most of this is found in the other guide and there is little difference between them.
  259. -Like, seriously, the only difference is that this version is missing a single sentence from the seperate guide.
  260.  
  261. Possession:
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  263. Cons:
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  265. -"You will be able to take back control of your body at any time. You will not be “locked out” of your body," Azide in the background just went, "Ah ha, what a joke." I.e., force possession is a thing that can and *has* happened to people. One time, Azide force-switched and I was locked out of front for over *seven hours.*
  266. -This has been a recurrent thing with this guide, but for the troubleshooting subsections, I would better space the issue and the solution for said issue. It can be hard to read sometimes.
  267.  
  268. Pros:
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  270. -Mentions that you do have to give up time to let the tulpa interact with the physical world via possession.
  271. -Wow, my guide is not the only guide to talk about proprioception. That's refreshing. (Actually, this is the only time they mention it without explaining how to develop it for something like imposition or mindscape immersion. That's a shame.)
  272. -Mindscape sensory deprivation tank method is unique, especially with the idea that tulpas highly connected to a mindscape likely have more trouble possessing than tulpas frequently co-con with the host.
  273. -Has a subsection specifically for troubleshooting possession and answers for the issues are thorough.
  274.  
  275. Switching:
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  277. Cons:
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  279. -I wish they also explained the type of switching where you can impose yourself like your tulpa does and have your own perspective seperate from the current fronter, but I'm not sure how that would work with the car analogy.
  280. -"With backseat switching, you will instead be in the back seat of the car - you can still see the road ahead, but not quite as clearly as your tulpa can, and you can’t quickly reach and grab the steering wheel," that sounds like a challenge. With enough practice, a Tulpamancy system can learn to switch practically instantly whether it's from the "back seat" or a mindscape. Again, another fault of objective statements.
  281. -Though the possession section was detailed, I find it to be poor writing to be just like, "Use possession," instead of just listing the full process. What if a reader was hopping around the guide via using the outline and just wanted to read up on switching methods? So they wouldn't know what you exactly mean by possession and lack the full process for the method because of it. As such, this can be inconvenient for readers in this category.
  282. -"Follow the advice given earlier on how to feel an essence," you should've included a link to the section you're mentioning, again, because a reader could be hopping around the guide instead of reading it linearly. *Especially* for a guide this long.
  283. -I wish they actually included proper methods to dissociate for switching instead of just going, "Use whatever relaxation technique works well for you." It's like the parts needed for the whole process are scattered throughout the guide instead of placed in one location and that can be jarring due to the guide's length and how people might go about it.
  284. -They make blackout switching sound like this whole ordeal when it is perfectly possible to just... will yourself to sleep; I've seriously done this before dozens of times.
  285. -"Permanent switching is not a hostile takeover, the host is ok with this and allows it to happen in every single case I have seen," there have been cases where a tulpa had to forcefully perma-switch with their host and force said host into dormancy because they were highly abusive to their tulpa.
  286. -"Permanent switching refers to a long term or indefinite switch of the roles between a host and tulpa," if it was only long term, it wouldn't be called "permanent" switching.
  287.  
  288. Pros:
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  290. -Explains that there are different types and degrees to switching and that your experiences might be a blend of them.
  291. -Description of switching is accurate.
  292. -Section has specific methods to achieve the specific forms of switching that were mentioned.
  293. -Methods (minus not including previous steps like preparation and possession) are detailed.
  294. -The idea that your consciousness is not inherently connected to the senses because that is what the *body* is experiencing is unique to this guide and can definitely be an eye-opener for people struggling to dissociate.
  295. -Perma-switching subsection emphasizes that it should be 100% consensual between tulpa and host and the possible repercussions of it.
  296.  
  297. Imposition:
  298.  
  299. Cons:
  300.  
  301. -Basic imposition method with the marble is found elsewhere with similar steps.
  302. -Visual imposition method is literally, "Just constantly impose your tulpa," which pretty much every guide that has an imposition section includes. There really is nothing unique about this subsection.
  303. -Same deal with the tactile imposition section as above.
  304. -Guide completely lacks taste imposition.
  305. -Most of the imposition information in this guide is basic and found elsewhere with more detail.
  306.  
  307. Pros:
  308.  
  309. -States that you do not need to be godly in visualization to start on imposition. Thank you.
  310. -The crystal on the desk method is unique and I can certainly see the applications of it in imposition.
  311. -Interesting method with just explaining the basic fundamentals of imposition with inanimate objects, *then* moving onto imposing your tulpa's form.
  312.  
  313. Multiple tulpas
  314.  
  315. Pros:
  316.  
  317. -Good message of prioritizing quality over quantity when it comes to making more than one tulpa.
  318.  
  319. Walk-ins:
  320.  
  321. Pros:
  322.  
  323. -Has tips to tell the difference between an actual walk-in tulpa and an invasive thought.
  324. -Statement that you shouldn't be afraid to put your foot down when it comes to "accepting" something just because it shows some possibility of being sentient is important and a very nice addition.
  325. -It even has methods for preventing any possible walk-ins.
  326.  
  327. Dissipation:
  328.  
  329. Cons:
  330.  
  331. -Dormancy is only mentioned once and very briefly despite there being an entire section dedicated to dissipation.
  332. -Said revival method is very basic and has absolute statements.
  333.  
  334. Pros:
  335.  
  336. -Actually has a method on how to revive a dissipated tulpa, but it doesn't mention dormancy for some reason?
  337. -Explains that dissipation is rarely ever needed and that a lot of reasons to do so are unethical.
  338. -Has a checklist examining why someone might want to dissipate their tulpa in detail.
  339. -Is very blunt in saying to apologize for your actions if you done something harmful to your tulpa that causes your tulpa to "act out."
  340. -The method for dissipating a tulpa is designed to be as ethical and painless as possible.
  341. -Advocates *against* using violence to dissipate a tulpa.
  342.  
  343. Life with a tulpa:
  344.  
  345. Cons:
  346.  
  347. -Just saying, you should either use "queer people" or "LGBTQIA+ people" to be more inclusive, not just "LGBT." This was written by an aroace person with nonbinary system members.
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  349.  
  350. Pros:
  351.  
  352. -Properly warns people about the dangers of telling others about Tulpamancy if one is not careful.
  353. -"If they show bigotry or prejudice towards any harmless group or practice, do not tell them about tulpas no matter what," this is good advice.
  354. -List how how to bring up Tulpamancy to a person is thorough.
  355. -Good how there's a subsection specifically dedicated to welcoming a tulpa into the world.
  356. -Very upfront about the tulpa being a person just as much as anyone else is.
  357. -Wow, they even have a contact email. That is definitely appreciated, but I won't need it.
  358.  
  359. Final Thoughts:
  360.  
  361. -Okay, I can see a lot of effort was put into this guide and it does have its highs, but when it has its lows, said lows can be pretty bad. Despite its length, some sections are sorely lacking in detail or could just... literally be found elsewhere with much more detail and methodology to it. Like, seriously, there's no visualization section, for example. The sections I think suffer the most from this are the switching, imposition, and parallel processing sections. I mention the parallel processing section because it's literally its own seperate guide by the same person.
  362. -Just... some things like learning to dissociate, mindfulness, meditation methods, and more should have been explained in more depth to give the reader the tools they need to do the things listed in the guide, which leads into another major issue.
  363. -Even though the guide specifically says you can hop around and read how you wanna read, the guide itself is *not* structured for that. Like Tulpa's guide, there are sections that completely lack steps (I'm looking at you, switching) because they've been previously been stated in another section. No matter how you look at it, reading a 93 page guide in one go is a lot to take in, and like myself, I can bet a lot of people read this guide in chunks. So there can easily be a big gap between reading sections, or someone could just be hopping around to what they're specifically looking for. So in the off-chance you don't remember/hadn't read the sections the author mentions being important, you're gonna have to skip around the guide just to *understand* the method, which goes against the whole, "Read this guide how you wanna read it," part. This is especially irksome when the author includes *no* bookmarks or links to the section they are referring to, so you have to scan the guide looking for it. Not that great of a reading experience.
  364. -Formatting is also a bit strange with the dashes and no spaces between FAQ questions and the answers. I would fix that to make it easier to read.
  365. -One very large concern for my systemmates and I is the hypnosis section; we find it quite alarming that despite the community's negative history with hypnosis, the author has literally *zero* warnings about the dangers of hypnosis and how easily it can be used with malicious intent. The author seems quite all right with singing high praises about it and not listing a single downside, which is alarming to us because that can easily lead people down a line of thinking that hypnosis is this magical tool where nothing can go wrong when it *has* gone wrong. Jade and her literal hypnosis cult is evidence of that; we were there when it happened and the people around us were personally harmed by Jade. Without a doubt, this is our biggest issue with this guide.
  366. -In terms of positives, I do respect how vehement the guide author is about the personhood of tulpas and their lives *do* matter; there are interesting ideas that are not present in other guides, especially pertaining to mindset that even we have never seen before.
  367. -The idea that the amount of preparation you do can greatly reduce the time needed to create a tulpa is fascinating, and I think it does decent enough at what it sets out to do. But then comes the issue of the guide's contents clashing with the guide's purpose. If the goal is to develop a tulpa quickly through prior preparation, then why have imposition, possession, etc when those stills are not required to make a tulpa? And especially how they are written does just... feel like extras instead of being as fleshed out as they should be.
  368. -I think this issue stems from the guide being broad and lengthy, yet lacking detail despite it. I do believe it would be better suited as either a narrow-focused work (like guides focused on a single Tulpamancy aspect like vocality) or a guide that truly goes the distance like mine where it goes all out on detail with an incredible word count. It's like a jack of all trades, master of none in that sense.
  369. -Like, being completely honest, a lot of the issues this guide has shares those in common with Tulpa's guide (though definitely not as bad) as being two of the longest guides (next to mine), but somehow lacking the depth of much shorter ones a person would expect out of a longer reading experience. Do not misinterpret me, *multiple* sections are well-written and detailed, but those are also only sections with a *single* method without mentioning that there are dozens of methods out there for all kinds of things in Tulpamancy. You either get a single, but well-detailed method, or a bunch of smaller, very simple techniques. It's just mixed in an unpleasant way.
  370.  
  371. -In terms of the verdict for whether or not this belongs in Plural Librarium, my main issues are the hypnosis section and the fact that a large portion of this can just... be found elsewhere with guides that my systemmates and I have approved. Like I said, there are unique ideas in here much like Tulpa's guide, but they are sadly buried under much redundancy with that concerning hypnosis section thrown into the mix. Especially with that last bit, I am going to have to say no to this guide being added at this current time. Abvieon, I encourage you to reflect on this criticism and keep working on that guide. This guide does have potential of being really good and take it from me, a guide can go from a hot mess into something truly substantial. And for all I know, my perspective is largely in part to the 100+ guides I have read and being the author of the currently longest Tulpamancy guide myself, so my standards could perfectly be much higher than you were expecting or are used to, and I apologize if I or Arcanus sounded rude or discouraging.
  372. -We'd love to see this guide change and improve into something that would be far more worthwhile in the community.
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