Julien "weedcoder" Guitton
[5:24 AM]
https://twitter.com/SpondooliesTech/status/857207860220096512
Spondoolies Tech @SpondooliesTech
Congratulations to Gadi and the Isareli BitmainTech team:
http://www.financemagnates.com/cryptocurrency/news/exclusive-bitcoin-mining-giant-bitmain-open-ai-rd-center-israel/
TwitterToday at 5:20 AM

Julien "weedcoder" Guitton [5:25 AM]
@vcorem wtf?
1 reply Today at 7:44 AM View thread

Julien "weedcoder" Guitton
[5:26 AM]
AI ?

Adam Newbold [5:27 AM]
someone said the other day that any startup that uses "machine learning" or "blockchain" are golden... guess they're taking that advice :stuck_out_tongue:

Julien "weedcoder" Guitton
[5:29 AM]
bitmain scam>9k ftw

Guy Corem [5:30 AM]
Yes

[5:31]
BitmainTech branched out to many more businesses beside Crypto mining (edited)

Julien "weedcoder" Guitton
[5:31 AM]
okay, wasn’t aware

[5:31]
not a news actually?

Guy Corem [5:31 AM]
No. Just become public information

Julien "weedcoder" Guitton
[5:32 AM]
ok, thanks Guy :slightly_smiling_face:

Guy Corem [5:32 AM]
Sure

sambiohazard
[5:38 AM]
Asicboost is so profitable

Guy Corem [5:39 AM]
No

[5:40]
BitmainTech is profitable, not related to ASICBoost (AB)

sambiohazard
[5:40 AM]
ok sure

[5:41]
so Monopoly is profitable

satoshi420 [5:50 AM]
hardly any other companies selling hardware, most keep it for themselves

Hisham Fahmy [5:51 AM]
@newbold That looks great! I haven't followed your thread, but what's the idea behind the Bitcoin giftcard? :smile:

Gregory Sanders [6:38 AM]
an AI R&D center? Holy moly they must be profitable to branch out into random fields lol

sambiohazard
[7:08 AM]
lol: https://twitter.com/WhalePanda/status/857223312279318528
WhalePanda @WhalePanda
Not just timestamped but they also just got verified ;) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-V3170XoAIopki.jpg
TwitterToday at 6:22 AM (20KB)

forkwar [7:12 AM]
@sambiohazard How can I verify that verification?

sambiohazard
[7:13 AM]
@whalepanda ^

forkwar [7:14 AM]
Oh, apparently this was a screenshot from a public WeChat group?  That's good enough for verification.

Whale Panda
[7:14 AM]
yes

[7:14]
:slightly_smiling_face:


Guy Corem [7:22 AM]
@whalepanda Is it a bit anticlimax ?

[7:22]
No ASICBoost information ...

Whale Panda
[7:24 AM]
did you really expect them to mention that in a chatroom like that? they keep mentioning "the cost for us is extremely high" while at the same time he says that segwit makes sense

Guy Corem [7:24 AM]
Listen,

[7:24]
Please stop with all this BS

[7:25]
BitmainTech doesn't support ASICBoost, because they wanted HK agreement to happen and they wants bigger blocks hardfork or similar solution

[7:25]
no amount of dirt or bs will change it.

forkwar [7:26 AM]
Why don't they support blocking ASICBoost then?

Guy Corem [7:26 AM]
because it came from Gregory, with a pretty obvious accusation. They don't like Gregory.

[7:26]
And now they have better course of action because of it.

Andrew C [7:27 AM]
greg did not explicity accuse bitmain. In fact, he did not name anyone in his BIP

Guy Corem [7:27 AM]
the math is very simple

forkwar [7:27 AM]
That's not a technical reason, that's a personal vendetta.

Guy Corem [7:27 AM]
sure, but the entire industry knew who to blame.

[7:27]
And it's now being used to advance UASF

[7:28]
it's not a personal vandetta. Gregory gave them an opportunity to do something better to advance their goals.

[7:28]
anyway, please stop all this nonsense

[7:28]
it's not constructive towards finding a solution

[7:28]
ASICBoost isn't the reason why they block SegWit

[7:28]
And don't spread private chat rooms trnascripts and create FUDs around it (edited)

forkwar [7:29 AM]
Ok, so what solution to block ASICBoost would they propose?

Andrew C [7:29 AM]
asicboost is certainly a reason to block segwit. it may not be the only reason, but it is most certainly a reason

Guy Corem [7:29 AM]
no Andrew. It's not.

[7:29]
Do the math. It's easy. It's nothing for them. I did it and demonstrated it.

[7:29]
Go search for it.

Andrew C [7:30 AM]
blocking segwit means that if they used covert asicboost they would retain an avenue to a significant advantage

Guy Corem [7:30 AM]
I didn't say they will suggest such solution @forkwar. I said they have better strategy now.

[7:30]
guys,

Andrew C [7:30 AM]
even if they don't use it now, they have the capability to use it in the future. with segwit, they can't use it in the future

Guy Corem [7:30 AM]
please stop this BS

[7:30]
ASICBoost is nothing. It doesn't give them anything subterntial.

Andrew C [7:30 AM]
you please stop the BS

Guy Corem [7:31 AM]
Moving to a new process node is much more important.

Andrew C [7:31 AM]
oh really? in what way? what is the math that makes it worthless

Guy Corem [7:31 AM]
Improving the custom design engine is much more important.

Andrew C [7:31 AM]
All the math that I have found from credible sources indicate that it is quite an advantage

Guy Corem [7:31 AM]
BS

sambiohazard
[7:31 AM]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6jJDD2Aj8k
YouTube aantonop
Bitcoin Q&A: Bitmain and the ASICBoost allegations


Guy Corem [7:31 AM]
https://medium.com/@vcorem/the-real-savings-from-asicboost-to-bitmaintech-ff265c2d305b
Medium
The real savings from ASICBoost to BitmainTech – Guy Corem – Medium
We found ASICBoost independently in the beginning of 2014. We called it Merkle Collisions and patented it also, but only later. ASICBoost…
Reading time
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1 min read

April 11th at 3:35 PM

forkwar [7:31 AM]
You said that they won't block ASICBoost because the solution came from Greg.  You also said that they won't create their own solution.  Which solution to block ASICBoost would be acceptable to them then?

Andrew C [7:31 AM]
you should cite your sources

Guy Corem [7:32 AM]
Don't start with Andreas BS ...

[7:32]
https://medium.com/@jimmysong/to-make-the-math-a-little-clearer-c4dd31ec1dc8
Medium
To make the math a little clearer: – Jimmy Song – Medium
500 PetaHash/second = 500,000,000 GigaHash/second
Reading time
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1 min read

April 11th at 7:46 PM

[7:32]
https://medium.com/@jimmysong/just-how-profitable-is-bitmain-a9df82c761a
Medium
Just How Profitable is Bitmain? – Jimmy Song – Medium
Editor’s Note: I originally intended this to be an edit to my last article, but it became interesting enough to just make a whole article…
Reading time
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5 min read

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April 13th at 8:52 PM

sambiohazard
[7:32 AM]
so anyone calling Asicboost a problem is BS, ok point noted

Guy Corem [7:32 AM]
ASICBoost is big BS

[7:32]
and nothing to be worried about.


forkwar [7:33 AM]
@vcorem So it's not a problem to disable it?

Guy Corem [7:33 AM]
you don't listen.

forkwar [7:33 AM]
Is it dangerous to disable it?

sambiohazard
[7:33 AM]
lol no obviously its worthless that is why jihan holds the patent

Andrew C [7:33 AM]
2 mil is quite a big saving, especially with low profit margins

Guy Corem [7:33 AM]
it's not a problem to disable it. And it's not the reason BitmainTech don't want to allow SegWit.

sambiohazard
[7:34 AM]
and why waste time on blocking worthless

Guy Corem [7:34 AM]
"low profit margins"

[7:34]
Ahh

[7:34]
read Song's article.

[7:34]
you all been brainwashed. Exercise judgment.

[7:34]
and free thinking.

forkwar [7:34 AM]
@vcorem I'm not talking about SegWit.  I'm just talking about ASICBoost.  It can be disabled separately from SegWit.

sambiohazard
[7:34 AM]
i guess we just need more competition in ASIC manufacturing, that would be more effective than disabling Asicboost

Guy Corem [7:34 AM]
I am fully awayre.

[7:35]
However, BitmainTech has better course of action now.

[7:35]
Which I believe they are exercising.

[7:35]
From their prespective.

forkwar [7:36 AM]
And what would that be?

Guy Corem [7:36 AM]
think.

forkwar [7:37 AM]
Cool details bro.


sambiohazard
[7:37 AM]
dont talk in riddles, if you can talk plainly please do

Guy Corem [7:37 AM]
@sambiohazard you are right, more competition will much more effective. Don't see it happen because BitmainTech is so huge now.

[7:38]
I need to go.

sambiohazard
[7:38 AM]
lol

Guy Corem [7:38 AM]
In the meantime, stop the ASICBoost BS.

forkwar [7:38 AM]
@sambiohazard The "better course of action" does not exist. vcorem is making stuff up and conveniently needs to leave before revealing this information. :slightly_smiling_face:

Guy Corem [7:38 AM]
And stop listening to professional provactors like @whalepanda


[7:38]
we will see about that.

[7:38]
take care.

sambiohazard
[7:38 AM]
next you talk please be clear than you guys dont think or know blah blah

Whale Panda
[7:38 AM]
"professional provactors" wow

Guy Corem [7:39 AM]
think about BitmainTech goals

Whale Panda
[7:39 AM]
so if I'm a professional, who's paying me?

Guy Corem [7:39 AM]
and what they need to do to advance it.

[7:39]
I am taking back the "professional" part.

sambiohazard
[7:39 AM]
:facepalm:

Andrew C [7:39 AM]
it would be far more conducive to discusssion to actually discuss instead of just saying "that is BS" and "you need to think" and "you are wrong"


Guy Corem [7:39 AM]
but still a provactor.

forkwar [7:39 AM]
@vcorem We thought about it and we're clearly wrong.  Please educate us.

sambiohazard
[7:39 AM]
what part of speak clearly did you not get?

Guy Corem [7:39 AM]
I gave you the information to show that ASICBoost is BS

[7:39]
go over the math.

[7:39]
it's pretty easy.

Andrew C [7:40 AM]
regarding song's article, he is missing the fact that the price of Bitcoin constantly fluctuates so in the past asicboost would be more profitable

Guy Corem [7:40 AM]
You can also read the transcript WhalePanda published and see that ASICBoost isn't mentioned.

sambiohazard
[7:40 AM]
tell us if you know something, dont tell us to guess what bitmain is thinking

Guy Corem [7:40 AM]
You have been feds lies.


Julien "weedcoder" Guitton
[7:40 AM]
bitmaintech wants to play with bigger players? (edited)

Andrew C [7:40 AM]
they please tell us the truth if we are being lied to instead of just saying "you are wrong"


Guy Corem [7:41 AM]
I told you.

sambiohazard
[7:41 AM]
:facepalm:

forkwar [7:41 AM]
@vcorem Disabling something that is "BS" is still harmless.  Do it to ease the minds of all of us "brainwashed" people.

Guy Corem [7:41 AM]
enjoy guys.

sambiohazard
[7:42 AM]
lol

Guy Corem [7:42 AM]
Keep being fed lies and BS.

[7:42]
I am out of here.

sambiohazard
[7:42 AM]
you got nothing is what i am seeing here

Guy Corem [7:42 AM]
whatever.

Whale Panda
[7:42 AM]
You'll be back tomorrow

sambiohazard
[7:42 AM]
:wave:


Guy Corem [7:43 AM]
@whalepanda it depends if you will continue this stupid escalation or not.

[7:43]
What you are doing now is extremely counter productive.


forkwar [7:43 AM]
This was a conversation of 0 substance... Telling people to "think" is not useful to convincing them of your point.


Guy Corem [7:43 AM]
And will not help to solve the current situation @whalepanda .

moli
[7:43 AM]
@vcorem then why are they trying so hard to block segwit?

Guy Corem [7:43 AM]
You are doing harm to Bitcoin and the ecosystem.

sambiohazard
[7:43 AM]
wat? i thought you were going to leave us in our matrix of lies (edited)


Whale Panda
[7:43 AM]
it will not solve the situation, but people need to be aware that they're being played by Bitmain

[7:44]
and that they need to look for alternatives


Guy Corem [7:44 AM]
Idiot.

[7:44]
Sorry for my words.

moli
[7:44 AM]
a panda can solve bitcoin problems? lol

Guy Corem [7:44 AM]
I can't stand such stupid actions.

moli
[7:44 AM]
we have more than one panda on this slack and neither of them can do anything :stuck_out_tongue:


Whale Panda
[7:44 AM]
I don't take it personal, you'll see. :slightly_smiling_face:


[7:44]
omg moli

Guy Corem [7:44 AM]
You are doing damage.

moli
[7:44 AM]
how

Whale Panda
[7:44 AM]
By sharing information

sambiohazard
[7:45 AM]
no use asking, just think

moli
[7:45 AM]
omg

Guy Corem [7:45 AM]
you didn't share nothing

moli
[7:45 AM]
god forbids you share any information!

Guy Corem [7:45 AM]
you shared BS

[7:45]
and idiotic propoganda.

[7:45]
no subtance.

moli
[7:45 AM]
lol

sambiohazard
[7:45 AM]
so logs are not real?

Guy Corem [7:45 AM]
the logs are real

[7:45]
so ?

sambiohazard
[7:45 AM]
lol thanks

Guy Corem [7:45 AM]
ASICBoost was mentioned ?

forkwar [7:45 AM]
No, it was not.

moli
[7:45 AM]
so there's a new jihan drink for idiots

Andrew C [7:45 AM]
asicboost was implied

sambiohazard
[7:46 AM]
scheming was done

Guy Corem [7:46 AM]
not it wasn't implied.

moli
[7:46 AM]
@vcorem so why's jihan &co trying so hard to block segwit?

sambiohazard
[7:46 AM]
trying to bribe LTC devs with RSK to block "core devs plan"


Guy Corem [7:46 AM]
I explained it already. Because of the HK agreement.


forkwar [7:47 AM]
Even if AB was not mentioned or even if the logs were completely fabricated, it does not mean AB is not harmful.

sambiohazard
[7:47 AM]
and asking them to shaft their community in a decentralized project

moli
[7:47 AM]
that's full of shit and you buy it, @vcorem

Andrew C [7:47 AM]
@vcorem yes it was implied. that it was not is BS. read it again and think. read between the lines

sambiohazard
[7:47 AM]
i saw enough

Andrew C [7:47 AM]
you need to do what you preach. think

Guy Corem [7:47 AM]
amazing.

[7:47]
It's a lunatic house.

[7:47]
Take care guys.

forkwar [7:47 AM]
@vcorem I agree with you, the logs did not talk about AB.

Whale Panda
[7:47 AM]
HK agreement is a red herring, the core devs presented the code to the miners

Andrew C [7:48 AM]
that's the third(? fourth?) time he said he would leave. I bet he won't

Guy Corem [7:48 AM]
yes, with 300KB initially

[7:48]
BS

sambiohazard
[7:48 AM]
probably he is the one who is professional

Guy Corem [7:48 AM]
@whalepanda please stop doing what you are doing. It's harmful for Bitcoin.

Whale Panda
[7:48 AM]
actually that's not true, that was another proposal, he had multiple proposals iirc

Guy Corem [7:49 AM]
Exercise caution.

forkwar [7:49 AM]
@achow101 Well this is the "welcome" channel

Andrew C [7:49 AM]
@vcorem luke-jr's bip draft decreases the block size only if it were to be activated immediately

Whale Panda
[7:49 AM]
I disagree :slightly_smiling_face: but you'll be back tomorrow :wink:

sambiohazard
[7:49 AM]
is that a threat?
Guy Corem
Exercise caution.
Posted in #welcomeToday at 7:49 AM

Guy Corem [7:49 AM]
which is what the miners wants.

[7:49]
no, never.

[7:49]
I am out of here. Take care.

Luke-Jr [7:50 AM]
"what miners want" is a red herring


Andrew C [7:50 AM]
4


Luke-Jr [7:50 AM]
miners don't decide

Guy Corem [7:50 AM]
oh man.

[7:50]
You have been in HK.

[7:50]
The agreement, was real.

[7:50]
It could have been a solution to this stupid sitaution.

forkwar [7:50 AM]
Bye Felicia!

Guy Corem [7:50 AM]
You know very well that AB is BS.

[7:50]
Luke

Luke-Jr [7:50 AM]
vcorem: we did what we said we would

Guy Corem [7:51 AM]
not from the miner prespective

sambiohazard
[7:51 AM]
miners dont get it if community doesn't allow it

Guy Corem [7:51 AM]
They expected a real change.

[7:51]
They didn't get one.

sambiohazard
[7:51 AM]
so go tell them to suck it up

Guy Corem [7:51 AM]
Hence they block SegWit.

Luke-Jr [7:51 AM]
vcorem: only if the miners are dishonest

Guy Corem [7:51 AM]
It's as simple as that Luke.

[7:51]
no Luke.

Luke-Jr [7:51 AM]
yes

Guy Corem [7:51 AM]
They are most honest then what I saw from Core so far.

[7:52]
more

sambiohazard
[7:52 AM]
yeah todays leak confirms their honesty

forkwar [7:52 AM]
@luke-jr Can you provide them with a straight forward 2MB hard fork proposal then?  You obviously can't control what the community does and the community probably won't use it if you don't endorse it.  But it would resolve this fight over the HK agreement.

sambiohazard
[7:52 AM]
totally not bribing & schemeing behind community's back

Guy Corem [7:52 AM]
they will take it in a heartbeat.

[7:52]
the thing is that it will never pass.

[7:52]
and Luke knows it.

[7:53]
We are in fucking stalemate situation.

[7:53]
And saying "we did what we agreed upon" is a joke.

[7:53]
Luke knows it very well.

sambiohazard
[7:53 AM]
yeah because people dont want it & miners wont be allowed with what people dont want

Guy Corem [7:53 AM]
We both have been there.

[7:53]
Luke,

[7:53]
Do you believe BitmainTech blocks SegWit because of AB ?

[7:53]
I am asking your straight.

[7:53]
Please be honest.

[7:53]
Yes / No

[7:53]
@luke-jr

sambiohazard
[7:53 AM]
doesnt matter, they wont get something that others dont want

Guy Corem [7:54 AM]
please don't interrupt.

Julien "weedcoder" Guitton
[7:54 AM]
Do you believe BitmainTech blocks SegWit because of HK ?

Guy Corem [7:54 AM]
@luke-jr ?

sambiohazard
[7:54 AM]
its a free forum

[7:54]
mods do you have a problem?

Guy Corem [7:54 AM]
I KNOW they blocks SegWit because of HK

[7:54]
Both Jihan and Adam are good friends.

[7:54]
@luke-jr ?

sambiohazard
[7:54 AM]
roundtable is not how bitcoin works

Whale Panda
[7:54 AM]
Guy, if Jihan turns out to be the bad actor, will you come back and apologize?

Luke-Jr [7:55 AM]
vcorem: the most probable reason is AsicBoost, yes

Guy Corem [7:55 AM]
really ?

[7:55]
let's discuss it @luke-jr

[7:55]
I know you have brain.

Yousef ab [7:55 AM]
Weren't you leaving?


Guy Corem [7:55 AM]
for @luke-jr I will stay.


[7:55]
@luke-jr are you willing to discuss it with me here ?

[7:55]
In the open ?

sambiohazard
[7:55 AM]
not without wasting time on useless discussion like what devs or miners want

Yousef ab [7:56 AM]
Let me get my popcorn then

forkwar [7:56 AM]
:popcorn:

Guy Corem [7:56 AM]
@luke-jr ?

[7:56]
Are you getting permission / briefs from someone ?

forkwar [7:56 AM]
@vcorem Please stop spamming his name in the chat.

sambiohazard
[7:56 AM]
see luke is the bad guy he wont discuss in open

Luke-Jr [7:56 AM]
no, I'm just waiting for you to say something worth responding to

Guy Corem [7:57 AM]
:slightly_smiling_face:

moli
[7:57 AM]
@luke-jr is getting permission from his wife

Luke-Jr [7:57 AM]
(while I get real things done)

moli
[7:57 AM]
see :this:

Guy Corem [7:57 AM]
Are we in equilibrium mining situation ?

moli
[7:57 AM]
if you're still buying the HK bullshit, you're just wasting your time and everyone else's time


Guy Corem [7:58 AM]
Do you believe the $100M number Gregory calculated ?

Luke-Jr [7:58 AM]
I have no reason to doubt Greg's investigation.

Guy Corem [7:58 AM]
you are evading.

[7:58]
Can we do the math together ?

sambiohazard
[7:58 AM]
but they also didnt receive their overlords at airport, emperor is displeased

Luke-Jr [7:58 AM]
I have better things to do.

Guy Corem [7:58 AM]
:slightly_smiling_face:

[7:58]
You know you will loose.

forkwar [7:59 AM]
@vcorem The burden of proof is on you.  Just say the reason already. (edited)

Guy Corem [7:59 AM]
And I think you gave a dishonest statement above.

[7:59]
Which I find troubling.

sambiohazard
[7:59 AM]
why dont you go write a medium post to explain everything instead of asking loaded questions & framing the debate


moli
[7:59 AM]
loose or lose?

Guy Corem [8:00 AM]
I explained it in a medium post

[8:00]
and so did Jimmy Song

[8:00]
Jimmy's is much better one.

[8:00]
Read it.

[8:00]
Guys,

[8:00]
ASICBoost has nothing to do with BitmainTech position on SegWit.

[8:00]
The HK agreement has everything to do with BitmainTech position on SegWit.

[8:01]
You might not like the agreement, roundtable, etc

[8:01]
but this is the truth.

[8:01]
And you need to deal with the truth

moli
[8:01 AM]
they broke the agreement, you know that, right? or at least f2pool did

Guy Corem [8:01 AM]
not propoganda BS

sambiohazard
[8:01 AM]
i read it and there is other contention about profit numbers

forkwar [8:01 AM]
@vcorem Let's assume you're correct, for the sake of argument.  Does disabling ASICBoost somehow harm bitcoin?  If so, why?  If not, why not disable it then, even if it is pointless?

moli
[8:01 AM]
so stop your  bullshit about the HK agreement (edited)

Guy Corem [8:01 AM]
ok

sambiohazard
[8:01 AM]
also HK agreement is not how bitcoin works, they can keep crying about it

Guy Corem [8:01 AM]
the mad house returns

[8:01]
@luke-jr - I'm disappointed.

moli
[8:01 AM]
and the code was already done for them

Guy Corem [8:02 AM]
I expected more from you.

moli
[8:02 AM]
bullshit

[8:02]
you stop your bullshit first before you tell others to do the same

k22 [8:02 AM]
We can never really know the profit number accurately unless JW posts his financials. What is important is that ASICBOOT give an advantage he shouldnt have.

Rick Kleinhans [8:02 AM]
Miners broke the agreement. The attendees from core side honoured the agreement. That doesn’t mean the miners might not still be blocking because of how they perceived to loose face as a result of the HK agreement.

James Hilliard [8:02 AM]
spoonnet was written from the HK agreement...but it got pretty much no traction

Rick Kleinhans [8:02 AM]
>江卓尔 Jiang Zhuo’er 12:48 AM
>If the SW soft-fork is activated, it means that the roadmap of Core’s eventual victory, and the complete defeat of the big block camp. This is not about SF SW or HF SW, this is about the roadmaps behind them.


sambiohazard
[8:03 AM]
is this AI & R&D money talking?

Rick Kleinhans [8:03 AM]
That is the key message from whalepanda’s chat logs

[8:03]
They feel like they managed to force the HK agreement because they were in a position of power

[8:03]
Agreeing to Segwit now will set a precedent that diminishes their political power


sambiohazard
[8:04 AM]
which is apparently not true

Rick Kleinhans [8:04 AM]
They could be blocking it in order to not “lose” that political power. It is possible that asicboost isn’t the reason.

Luke-Jr [8:05 AM]
vcorem: not my job to convince you

sambiohazard
[8:05 AM]
whatever the reason its clear that they will harm whole ecosystem to have a upper hand in the useless politics

Rick Kleinhans [8:05 AM]
^ exactly

[8:06]
The reason doesn’t matter really. Blocking it is in itself bad faith and requires a restoration of the balance of powers via a UASF


sambiohazard
[8:06 AM]
which means whole ecosystem should just sever such abusive part from the ecosystem

bitsko
[8:07 AM]
@vcorem, I appreciate your willingness to stand up for what you believe.  As a side, is there still potential use or profitability with the Merkle Collisions patent?

forkwar [8:08 AM]
It's like when a dog shits on the rug.  You need to rub his nose in it to show him who's really boss.
Rick Kleinhans
The reason doesn’t matter really. Blocking it is in itself bad faith and requires a restoration of the balance of powers via a UASF
Posted in #welcomeToday at 8:06 AM


Michail Alexandrowitch [8:08 AM]
..all this uselessly written words, just ignore this guy, and the next guy "corem" - you are just being drained of energy you could use better.


Guy Corem [8:08 AM]
@bitsko Timo and Sergio's patent predates our.


sambiohazard
[8:09 AM]
no like, "When something smells like shit, you dont need to taste it" (edited)


[8:10]
just like you should ignore, John Doe, cypherblock, anthony

Whale Panda
[8:11 AM]
Guy, you didn't answer: If Jihan and/or Bitmain turn out to be the bad actors in this story: will you come back and apologize?

Guy Corem [8:11 AM]
Bad actors in what way ?

[8:12]
Activating Covert ASICBoost ?

[8:12]
I mean, using Covert ASICBoost ?

Whale Panda
[8:12 AM]
just "bad actors", like something that makes you think "oh fuck them"

[8:13]
and since it's completely subjective, you can decide what bad actor means :slightly_smiling_face:

Guy Corem [8:14 AM]
sure

[8:14]
I have no problem admitting I was wrong.

[8:14]
Did that many times.

[8:14]
And I am telling you that you are terrible wrong with your actions

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Rick Kleinhans [8:14 AM]
@vcorem let’s assume a couple of things:
1. you are correct and the HK agreement is the reason and ASICBOOST is a red herring.
2. Despite the HK agreement most bitcoin users (people who own bitcoin) find the idea of 2MB block side untenable. (I live in Africa and want to run full node, block size increase is out of the question for me. I’m assuming the stalemate over the last years shows the majority of the community agrees with my position here)

Given these what is the way forward?

Guy Corem [8:16 AM]
i don't know the way forward at this point.

[8:16]
But I do know finding a way forward is possible.

[8:17]
And actions like AB BS, Whalepanda posts, etc

[8:17]
are preventing future solution.


sambiohazard [8:17 AM]
yes just submit to what miners want despite everyone else not wanting it

btcnan [8:18 AM]
Guy, no one is taking you seriously, I hope you realize that


[8:18]
but thanks for the :popcorn:

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Rick Kleinhans [8:19 AM]
I disagree, this message from the chat logs was incredibly useful:
> If the SW soft-fork is activated, it means that the roadmap of Core’s eventual victory, and the complete defeat of the big block camp. This is not about SF SW or HF SW, this is about the roadmaps behind them.

It highlights the fact that miners will under no circumstances agree to SW SF + 1MB block size. This saves me a and other a lot of effort because it means we no longer have to waste time trying to find a way forward that includes miners. If that is their position then the only way forward is UASF, whether in BIP activation cycle or the next one.


sambiohazard [8:19 AM]
so exposing scheming, bribing miners is not a good thing?

Rick Kleinhans [8:20 AM]
It means we have more clarity on the future solution and that it will no longer under any circumstances include miners.


Whale Panda
[8:20 AM]
It's fine, i can handle the fact that I'm the reason why Bitcoin isn't scaling. Still my digital gold is worth more now than this morning