fieryUSA is terrible at debate

@fieryUSA
wow.  what a diatribe.  you understand trump is the absolute worst mathematical choice running for president, right?  he will not make things better, in any way shape or form, in his current character.  he is literally one of the catalysts for the divisiveness in this country.  so much so, that he can't even unite republicans.  and they more than anything, love to "fall in line".
@fieryUSA
hillary clinton is a shitty status quo candidate.  knowing this, why do republicans say "hmm, you know how to beat her?  with an overt racist, sexist, scamming pig!  what can possibly go wrong?"
amigaX
fieryUSA: I do not understand that.
You must have missed my debate with Joey1
I believe I saved it for a moment just like this
1 - I think that if Trump had never mentioned anything about nuclear weapons that Clinton would be worse than Trump
2 - As Trump has mentioned confusing things on nuclear weapons, I think Trump is worse than Clinton
3  - I think Clinton is the second worse person to run for president in our nation's history, second only to Trump
@fieryUSA
talking about nuclear weapons?  really?  you think "that" is what turned people off trump?
amigaX
4 - I think that voting for people in a FPTP system in which your two choices are the Single Worst of Alltime and the Second Worst of Alltime means you inhabit a failed nation state
5 - I don't like living in a failed nation state
fieryUSA: your question is a non-sequitur
Do you see why?
@fieryUSA
wasn't day ONE, when he talked about mexicans being 'rapists'?  that you fail to see the tone of his campaign give me "angst".
amigaX
I think if you exclude Trump's statements about nuclear weapons, including his comments on Mexican illegal immigrants being rapists, yes, he is less bad than Clinton
That is a correct assessment of my position
Do you see how you changed theses?
I see how you changed theses.
Your first thesis: Trump is much worse than Clinton.
And that is what I addressed.
@fieryUSA
do you understand math?
amigaX
Your second thesis: It is not Trump's talk on nuclear weapons that turned people off to Trump.
fieryUSA: I'm gonna require you remember the logical structure of the discussion at hand
It's this weird thing I do when I'm in discussion
@fieryUSA
and i'm gonna require you remember logic.
amigaX
Requiring my chat partner to remember and understand the thread of conversation
I encourage you to point out my errors in logic
tumble
you've got a special chat style. heh
amigaX
It appears you're not willing to accept responsibility that you changed theses midchat
In your effort to strawman
Yes, I think Clinton is worse than Trump, if he had never discussed nuclear weapons
She's that bad
Hey, I saved the conversation
@fieryUSA
and you would be wrong.
amigaX
I would be wrong
For the record, you have not discussed your changing of theses midchat
In an effort to strawman me
Inference: You don't take accountability for what you say
So, I will close that point.
Your statement of "I would be wrong" indicates some objective standard by which to assess this
What is this objective standard
Hey, the conversation was with you, actually
Not Joey1
@fieryUSA
nobody gives a flying fuck about trump talking about 'nuclear weapons'...when every day he adds to his stupidass pile of stupid shit he says.
amigaX
I care.
@fieryUSA
yeah.  like i said.  "nobody" cares.
amigaX
I care about it much, much more than "rapists" or "where's my black" or "She's bleeding out of her eyes, god knows where"
Because I'm not a social gossiper with an IQ around 100
I don't get pushed and stirred by narratives to get me to see how Howard Dean's screaming is actually a global sign of his temperament
Because I understand the media is shallow and divisive, often
@fieryUSA
and yet, you fail top see that donald fucking trump IS the 'social gossiper with an iq of around 100".
amigaX
Instead, I like to think about which issues are the most impactful for our nation and our world
fieryUSA: that was a non-sequitur
You're not very good at this debating thing
It's fairly embarrassing, how bad you are, given your age
@fieryUSA
i know.  i suck at debating.  but you are a masterdebater.
amigaX
When I say X, that doesn't mean I am against Y
I am substantially better at debate than you, correct.
You'll notice zero logical fallacies in this conversation from me
You'll notice I have an impeccable grasp of the logical structure of our thread
You'll notice I am keenly aware when you change theses in your effort to confuse and distract from the actual points being made
@fieryUSA
trying to defend donald trump...is the logical fallacy.
amigaX
I defend everybody and everything when they are worthy of defense
I criticize everybody and everything when they are worthy of criticism
I reject all social norms that teach me which things to defend and which to criticize
I simultaneously criticize and defend any object which deserves a simultaneous criticism and defense
My empathy is not a finite good. It is not bounded by nationality.
I am a scientist, and this is my creed.
I can tell you what's going on
Would you like to know what's going on
1 - The only people you meet that do not always criticize Trump are Trump supporters
ⓘ hypatia set mode +b *!*@rrcs-173-197-64-35.west.biz.rr.com
amigaX
2 - I am not always criticizing Trump because he does not always deserve criticism
== Cannot send to channel
@fieryUSA
trump supporters are like 30-40% of republicans.  how, exactly, is that a general election win?
EVERY poll trump is losing to clinton.  and EVERY poll shows he is a mathematically more unfavorable (hated) candidate than hillary clinton.  we live in a democracy, remember, where that matters.
@fieryUSA
thinking it was something he said about 'nuclear weapons' is what has made him the most unfavorable candidate is laughable.
Ignoring fieryUSA!*@*