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  1. <<Clipboard-friendly copy of https://imgur.com/a/wjwey2M>>
  2.  
  3. Hi,
  4.  
  5. To message triage/routing team: I would appreciate if you could please forward this to Search, specifically the team(s) that handle the way results are presented.
  6.  
  7. PLEASE LET ME KNOW (comment or email) if this is not possible - I have some other possible ways I might be able to get in touch, and want to try one at a time. Thanks! :) :)
  8.  
  9. To follow up, request further details, or provide a direct point of contact, my email is [email protected] - and thanks in advance.
  10.  
  11. ---
  12.  
  13. I am unsure where/how to submit this feedback; the Google Product Support forums is an extremely toxic, "lowest common denominator" environment that I'd prefer to avoid. It would be a better use of everyone's time if I can share directly without having to wrangle the bus factor of 1,000 angry reply comments from people feeding their persecution complexes or whatever.
  14.  
  15. So, the new "›" method of delineating search results is... I get the impression it's being tested in production. :D
  16.  
  17. Here's some feedback, in case this is useful.
  18.  
  19. ---
  20.  
  21. Query: site:news.ycombinator.com/item
  22.  
  23. Results:
  24.  
  25. URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17136671
  26. Shown: https://news.ycombinator.com › item
  27.  
  28. URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8650654
  29. Shown: https://news.ycombinator.com › item
  30.  
  31. URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14673503
  32. Shown: https://news.ycombinator.com › item
  33.  
  34. You get the idea.
  35.  
  36. ---
  37.  
  38. Query: site:lwn.net/articles
  39.  
  40. Results:
  41.  
  42. URL: https://lwn.net/Articles/401053/
  43. Shown: https://lwn.net › Articles
  44. Title: Taken out of context and grossly misinterpreted [LWN.net]
  45. Comment: Is first result shown for above query
  46. Irony score: 100%
  47.  
  48. URL: https://lwn.net/Articles/507109/
  49. Shown: https://lwn.net › Articles
  50.  
  51. URL: https://lwn.net/Articles/642166/
  52. Shown: https://lwn.net › Articles
  53.  
  54. You get the idea x 2
  55.  
  56. ---
  57.  
  58. Query: site:forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic
  59.  
  60. Results:
  61.  
  62. URL: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6313462.html
  63. Shown: https://forums.gentoo.org › viewtopic-p-6313462
  64.  
  65. URL: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8264232.html
  66. Shown: https://forums.gentoo.org › viewtopic-p-8264232
  67.  
  68. ---
  69.  
  70. Query: site:forbes.com/2002
  71.  
  72. Results:
  73.  
  74. URL: https://www.forbes.com/2002/06/18/0618jetblue
  75. Shown: https://www.forbes.com › 2002/06/18
  76. Comment: Nice date detection! Something something editorial URL decanonicalization, though
  77.  
  78. ---
  79.  
  80. Query: site:youtube.com/watch
  81.  
  82. Results:
  83.  
  84. URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnpTcrtsN3U
  85. Shown: https://www.youtube.com › watch
  86.  
  87. URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNcHI8mm9gI
  88. Shown: https://www.youtube.com › watch
  89.  
  90. Comment: WAT AND CONFUSION RATING: 1000%
  91.  
  92. ---
  93.  
  94. Query: site:ubuntuforums.org/showthread
  95.  
  96. Results:
  97.  
  98. URL: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2425407
  99. Shown: https://ubuntuforums.org › showthread
  100.  
  101. URL: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2425408
  102. Shown: https://ubuntuforums.org › showthread
  103.  
  104. Comment: Huh; treating .html and '.php?...' differently. Interesting.
  105.  
  106. ---
  107.  
  108. Query: site:sourceforge.net/projects/ (xradar OR tinyperl OR libnetfilterqueuethreads)
  109.  
  110. Results:
  111.  
  112. URL: https://sourceforge.net/projects/tinyperl/
  113. Shown: https://sourceforge.net › Browse
  114.  
  115. URL: https://sourceforge.net/projects/xradar/
  116. Shown: https://sourceforge.net › Browse
  117.  
  118. URL: https://sourceforge.net/projects/libnetfilterqueuethreads/
  119. Shown: https://sourceforge.net › Browse
  120.  
  121. (-versus-)
  122.  
  123. Query: site:sourceforge.net/projects/
  124.  
  125. Results:
  126.  
  127. URL: https://sourceforge.net/projects/ermaster/
  128. Shown: https://sourceforge.net › Browse › Development › Front-Ends
  129.  
  130. URL: https://sourceforge.net/projects/usboblivion/
  131. Shown: https://sourceforge.net › Browse › System Administration › Storage
  132.  
  133. Important Comment: The three randomly selected project names in the first query show where the category detector isn't firing. Most sourceforge projects show a category, as shown. This amounts to information leakage for a prioritization scheme for "less popular" URLs - perhaps these skipped being queued in an expensive tensor/mapreduce job, or full HTML rendering is required on SF to detect categories, etc.
  134.  
  135. ---
  136.  
  137. Query: site:https://netfilter.vger.kernel.narkive.com/
  138.  
  139. Results:
  140.  
  141. URL: https://netfilter.vger.kernel.narkive.com/UYCurTLC/dcc
  142. Shown: https://netfilter.vger.kernel.narkive.com › UYCurTLC › dcc
  143.  
  144. URL: https://netfilter.vger.kernel.narkive.com/hCBsACyH/snmp
  145. Shown: https://netfilter.vger.kernel.narkive.com › hCBsACyH › snmp
  146.  
  147. URL: https://netfilter.vger.kernel.narkive.com/pMwCmLPf/conntrack-accounting
  148. Shown: https://netfilter.vger.kernel.narkive.com › pMwCmLPf › conntrack-accoun...
  149.  
  150. (-versus-)
  151.  
  152. URL: https://netfilter.vger.kernel.narkive.com/ljiMs7CQ/unknown
  153. Shown: https://netfilter.vger.kernel.narkive.com › unknown
  154.  
  155. URL: https://netfilter.vger.kernel.narkive.com/kMyEe8lm/irc
  156. Shown: https://netfilter.vger.kernel.narkive.com › irc
  157.  
  158. URL: https://netfilter.vger.kernel.narkive.com/vOSj7HMQ/snat
  159. Shown: https://netfilter.vger.kernel.narkive.com › snat
  160.  
  161. Comment: ?????
  162.  
  163. ---
  164.  
  165. Query: site:github.com
  166.  
  167. Results (selected):
  168.  
  169. URL: https://github.com/pwn20wndstuff
  170. Shown: https://github.com › ...
  171.  
  172. URL: https://github.com/qt
  173. Title: Qt · GitHub
  174. Shown: https://github.com › ...
  175.  
  176. (-versus-)
  177.  
  178. URL: site:https://github.com/2bhuinianhua/ipdump/
  179. Shown: https://github.com › ipdump
  180.  
  181. Comment: Something something URL forgery
  182.  
  183. /!\ HELLO, SOME TEXT IN ALL CAPS SO YOU NOTICE THE ABOVE IF SCROLLING QUICKLY
  184.  
  185. ---
  186.  
  187. Query: site:https://seclists.org/bugtraq/
  188.  
  189. Results:
  190.  
  191. URL: https://seclists.org/bugtraq/
  192. Shown: https://seclists.org › bugtraq
  193.  
  194. URL: https://seclists.org/bugtraq/2019/Aug/26
  195. Shown: https://seclists.org › bugtraq › Aug
  196.  
  197. URL: https://seclists.org/bugtraq/2019/Aug/25
  198. Shown: https://seclists.org › bugtraq › Aug
  199.  
  200. Comment: ...nevermind what I said about date detection earlier :/
  201.  
  202. ---
  203.  
  204. Query: site:books.google.com/books
  205.  
  206. Results (selected):
  207.  
  208. URL: https://books.google.com.au/books?id=eXbUcoQPBWQC&redir_esc=y
  209. Shown: https://books.google.com › books
  210.  
  211. URL: https://books.google.com.au/books?id=MOVV94WUSlEC&printsec=frontcover&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
  212. Shown: https://books.google.com › books
  213.  
  214. URL: https://books.google.com.au/books?id=M1y4_cfXy0AC&printsec=copyright&redir_esc=y
  215. Shown: https://books.google.com › books
  216.  
  217. ---
  218.  
  219. Query: site:stackoverflow.com/questions -inurl:tagged
  220.  
  221. Results (selected):
  222.  
  223. URL: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/63983
  224. Shown: https://meta.stackoverflow.com › questions
  225.  
  226. URL: https://stackoverflow.com/questions?tab=newest&page=4
  227. Shown: https://stackoverflow.com › questions
  228.  
  229. URL: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/57545913/syntax-is-wrong
  230. Shown: https://stackoverflow.com › questions › syntax-is-wrong
  231.  
  232. ---
  233.  
  234. Query: site:reviews.freebsd.org
  235.  
  236. Results (selected):
  237.  
  238. URL: https://reviews.freebsd.org/differential/
  239. Shown: https://reviews.freebsd.org › differential
  240.  
  241. URL: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D14135
  242. Shown: https://reviews.freebsd.org › ...
  243.  
  244. URL: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D12179
  245. Shown: https://reviews.freebsd.org › ...
  246.  
  247. ---
  248.  
  249. Query: undefined reference to `nfq_nlmsg_verdict_put'
  250.  
  251. URL: https://patches.linaro.org/series/1143/mbox/
  252. Shown: https://patches.linaro.org › series › mbox
  253. Title: series - Patchwork
  254. Comment: DOWNLOADED A FILE (but not through a 302)
  255.  
  256. Headers for above URL, as reported by curl:
  257.  
  258. > GET /series/1143/mbox/ HTTP/1.1
  259. > Host: patches.linaro.org
  260. > User-Agent: curl/7.65.1
  261. > Accept: */*
  262.  
  263. < HTTP/1.1 200 OK
  264. < Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 08:10:19 GMT
  265. < Server: Apache/2.4.18 (Ubuntu)
  266. < X-Frame-Options: SAMEORIGIN
  267. < Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=oe-meta-networking-01-32-netmap-Update-to-tip-and-fix-misc-build-issues.patch
  268. < Vary: Accept-Encoding
  269. < Transfer-Encoding: chunked
  270. < Content-Type: text/plain
  271.  
  272. ---
  273.  
  274. Query: site:bbslist.textfiles.com
  275.  
  276. Results:
  277.  
  278. URL: http://bbslist.textfiles.com/518/
  279. Shown: bbslist.textfiles.com › ...
  280.  
  281. URL: http://bbslist.textfiles.com/850/
  282. Shown: bbslist.textfiles.com › ...
  283.  
  284. URL: http://bbslist.textfiles.com/520/
  285. Shown: bbslist.textfiles.com › ...
  286.  
  287. ---
  288.  
  289. Query:
  290.  
  291. URL: http://phrack.org/issues/47/21.html
  292. Shown: phrack.org › issues
  293.  
  294. URL: http://www.phrack.org/issues/24/2.html
  295. Shown: phrack.org › issues
  296.  
  297. http://phrack.org/issues/12/11.html
  298. Shown: phrack.org › issues
  299.  
  300. http://phrack.org/issues/31/8.html
  301. Shown: phrack.org › issues
  302.  
  303. ---
  304.  
  305. I stop now. :)
  306.  
  307. Thanks for taking the time to read through this. I have no questions about this change; the decision leave it or revert it may well already have been set in stone. I'm vaguely aware of intent to try and move people off seeing URLs as significant and just look at `https`, so my own intent in providing this feedback is just in case there is interest in correctly canonicalizing URL parsing, which I suspect (...or at least hope...) there is.
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