A Partially Disappointing Engagement with xsnlx

10:24:34 AMxsnlxsorry for the delay, I wasn't paying attention
10:24:44 AMLowInformationVoterNo problem. :)
10:53:26 AMLowInformationVoterPlease voice me again as an act of disobedience to Godric and [e].
10:57:05 AMxsnlxthank you for your kind invitation to civil disobedience
10:57:43 AMLowInformationVoterDoes that mean you're going to sit by and watch this behavior of them.
10:58:09 AMxsnlxhowever, the bylaws of the Operator's Union require that I respect the k/b/a/devoice of my fellow ops unless/until I believe a palace coup is afoot
10:58:49 AMLowInformationVoterhttp://dalnetdebates.com/rules.html
10:58:56 AMLowInformationVoterCan you cite the rule justifying my devoicing?
10:59:20 AMxsnlxI am blissfully unaware of the purported infraction or rule being referenced
10:59:27 AMLowInformationVoter11) We ask users to respect the right of all our members to present their views and beliefs in a safe enviroment which allows their views a fair hearing. We strongly discourage the ganging up on people who offer an unpopular idea. Please try to ensure you do not gang up on an individual pelting them with questions without allowing them time to reply. Our Ops will monitor such situations to ensure people are not ganged up on in this way.
11:00:00 AMLowInformationVoter18) Sops may remove modes when the mode was set completely inappropriately and in clear and excessive violation of the rules.
11:00:31 AMLowInformationVoterThis situation doesn't bother you at all, does it.
11:01:42 AMxsnlx1. you're on a-kick, you're like an illegal immigrant in this channel, your threshold for k/b/devoice is lower than others
11:02:09 AMxsnlx2. you're a frequent offender, so your threshold for k/b/devoice is lower than others
11:02:52 AMxsnlx3. you're often obstinant, recalcitrant and/or belligerent, so your threshold for k/b/devoice is lower than others
11:04:01 AMLowInformationVoterDo you know why I am on a-kick, as you claim?
11:04:09 AMxsnlx4. when you're not consumed with misbehavior, I rather enjoy and appreciate your thoughts and our conversations
11:04:30 AMxsnlxnope, nor do I need to
11:04:50 AMxsnlxjust wait a few more minutes, Godric or I will release you from purgatory
11:05:27 AMLowInformationVoterSo, you've expressed interest in being in the present moment before
11:05:33 AMLowInformationVoterAnd in this present moment, I can be mistreated
11:05:56 AMLowInformationVoterAnd one of the reasons I can be mistreated is because I have a secondary class citizenship status in this community for being on a-kick
11:06:06 AMxsnlxyes
11:06:13 AMLowInformationVoterAnd the reason I am on a-kick is unknown to you, nor are you interested in learning about it, but you trust it
11:06:23 AMxsnlxyes
11:06:24 AMLowInformationVoterThis is the sociological equivalent to racism/fascism
11:06:31 AMxsnlxno
11:06:32 AMLowInformationVoterWhat am I a frequent offender of?
11:06:59 AMxsnlxgetting k/b/devoiced
11:07:10 AMLowInformationVoterxsnlx: You are demonstrating deference to the hierarchy without evidence. That is fascism
11:07:19 AMxsnlxthe analogy would be more like an illegal immigrant or ex-con
11:07:27 AMxsnlxlol
11:07:37 AMLowInformationVoterIn this case, you're specifically leveraging the hierarchy's claim about the secondary status of a person, which is racism
11:07:42 AMxsnlxno, that's bureacracy
11:07:55 AMLowInformationVoterxsnlx: Does fascism ever claim undesirables are actually people who have violated the law?
11:08:11 AMLowInformationVoterAnd then take actions on those members of the community that show a low level of due process
11:08:26 AMLowInformationVoterAnd if an officer of that community is asked, What crime did they violate that officer says "I'm just following orders"
11:08:33 AMLowInformationVoterThat's the sociological equivalent of what you've done
11:08:39 AMxsnlxthis isn't fascism, so what fascism does is irrelevant
11:08:55 AMLowInformationVoter"you're like an illegal immigrant in this channel" - xsnlx
11:09:02 AMxsnlxyes, it's true
11:09:06 AMLowInformationVoter"you're like a fascist in this conversation"  - LowInformationVoter
11:09:11 AMxsnlxare you on a-kick?
11:09:30 AMLowInformationVoterThere's no such thing as eternal a-kick. No.
11:09:37 AMxsnlxare you evading a ban?
11:09:39 AMLowInformationVoterNo
11:09:46 AMxsnlxoh my
11:10:02 AMLowInformationVoterI typed /join #debates into a channel that I wanted to chat in
11:10:13 AMxsnlxit seems we have a gap in credibility here
11:10:16 AMLowInformationVoterThere is zero effort to evade the invalid concept you're leveraging
11:10:34 AMLowInformationVoterOkay, moving on to (2)
11:10:44 AMLowInformationVoterSo, I have a lower threshold because I'm a frequent offender
11:10:54 AMLowInformationVoterA frequent offender of what? Being k/b/devoiced
11:11:11 AMLowInformationVoterSo, are those frequent k/b/devoiced actions evidence of my poor behavior, or the poor moderation of those doing the k/b/devoiced?
11:11:36 AMLowInformationVoterhttp://dalnetdebates.com/rules.html
11:11:39 AMLowInformationVoterThere are the rules of dalnet
11:11:48 AMLowInformationVoterNobody has cited any rules I have violated from that list
11:11:53 AMxsnlxyou're being released on your own recognizance and sentenced to time served
11:11:56 AMLowInformationVoterI have specifically asked Mabus to do so and he refused
11:12:13 AMxsnlxProf voiced you about 5 minutes ago
11:12:19 AMLowInformationVoterThis conversation isn't about that
11:12:34 AMLowInformationVoterIt's about giving you an opportunity to express yourself
11:13:01 AMxsnlxlol, thanks, but I'll pass
11:13:14 AMLowInformationVoterYou are far less moral than I perceived in our previous conversations
11:13:21 AMLowInformationVoterThat is unfortunate
11:13:36 AMxsnlxI'll have to bear that burden
11:13:46 AMLowInformationVoterThat's a defense mechanism
11:13:53 AMxsnlxlol
11:14:03 AMLowInformationVoterYou and I had an entire conversation about moderating our emotions in a difficult conversation
11:14:06 AMxsnlxyou know, I do like you most of the time
11:14:25 AMLowInformationVoterNow is a good time to moderate your emotions in a difficult conversation
11:14:27 AMxsnlxyes, this conversation isn't difficult for me
11:14:43 AMxsnlxI'm literally laughing or chuckling more of the time now
11:15:04 AMxsnlxI have no desire to moderate those emotions
11:15:23 AMLowInformationVoterYour laughing seems to be inappropriate in this conversation
11:15:32 AMLowInformationVoterIt's preventing you, apparently, from engaging the topics
11:15:33 AMxsnlxlol
11:15:40 AMLowInformationVoterAnd your need to share that information with me appears to be a defense mechanism
11:16:09 AMLowInformationVoterI agree that I am frequently k/b/devoiced. This is evidence of the poor moderation of #debates
11:16:15 AMLowInformationVoterSo, now both (1) and (2) are invalidated
11:16:19 AMxsnlxI'm sharing that with you because I'm being transparent with you, an act of respect and conviviality
11:16:27 AMLowInformationVoter(3) violates no rules of #debates
11:16:43 AMLowInformationVoterFurther, it's moral to do all of those things when the 'power' is unjust
11:17:02 AMLowInformationVoterFinally, it is actually evidence of my refutation of (2). Merely being those things shouldn't be a problem in the context of good moderation
11:17:05 AMxsnlxyour reaction is telling me that you're way more torqued up about this than I would recommend
11:17:36 AMLowInformationVoterTherefore, you provided no legitimate reasons for the lower threshold
11:17:48 AMLowInformationVoterIs there a lower threshold in my case? Yes.
11:17:52 AMxsnlxplease take issues of channel management to #Debate
11:18:12 AMLowInformationVoterxsnlx: I am resolving our conversation because I value evidence and reason
11:18:20 AMLowInformationVoterYou proffered some reasons, and I am completing my response to them
11:18:31 AMLowInformationVoterI recommend you honor the process of evidence and reason
11:18:40 AMLowInformationVoterYou said your points, and I considered them
11:18:42 AMxsnlxI have more pressing matters to attend to, and this conversation has run its course
11:18:45 AMLowInformationVoterNow I am wrapping up
11:18:57 AMLowInformationVoterxsnlx: You're your own captain
11:19:07 AMxsnlxthank you for the empowerment
11:19:21 AMLowInformationVoterBehave however you wish, knowing how you behave has effects on how you're perceived
11:19:31 AMLowInformationVoterFor example, I have had an enormous decrease in respect for you as a result of this conversation
11:19:39 AMLowInformationVoterAnd I'll probably be moving to something close to permanent ignore for you
11:19:49 AMLowInformationVoterWhat, then is the actual cause of the lower threshold?
11:20:17 AMLowInformationVoter1 - Emotional fragility of moderators in #debates who have been selected, in part because of that fragility, but which has also been enhanced by lack of oversight
11:20:56 AMLowInformationVoter2 - My high intelligence which is able to effectively and poetically embarrass people with fragile emotional constitutions who have false expectations of deference. See (1)
11:21:45 AMLowInformationVoter3 - My emotional/psychological profile which causes me to personally dislike people like (1).
11:22:19 AMLowInformationVoter4 - My emotional/psychological profile which causes me to understand people like (1) are fascists, with fascism currently ascendant in the USA, which represents a real threat to the lives and happiness of people across this globe
11:22:53 AMLowInformationVoterThank you for the conversation, xsnlx
11:23:23 AMxsnlxwell, I hope that in time, you can repair your respect for me...I am hurt and disappointed as I thought we had a stronger bond than that
11:24:22 AMLowInformationVoterI can't tell if you're using that as a weapon
11:25:04 AMxsnlxdo you have many friends like me on IRC?
11:25:22 AMxsnlxbe frank
11:26:07 AMxsnlxfor me, you are definitely unique among all of my acquaintances on IRC
11:26:26 AMLowInformationVoterI highly valued our previous conversation about my brother
11:26:33 AMLowInformationVoterI thought you showed a lot of wisdom and restraint
11:27:08 AMxsnlxthank you, but what about our relationship, if you would allow, our bond?
11:28:30 AMxsnlxif you had many friends like me on IRC, I could understand you not valuing me particularly
11:29:05 AMLowInformationVoterI do not tend to value many people, as many people seem to be not very intelligent and/or very moral, subjectively
11:29:25 AMLowInformationVoterI tend to be a highly principled person, regardless of the costs of acting in accordance with those principles
11:29:41 AMxsnlxbut if you only had a few, I would have expected a little more charity, understanding, or tolerance for my foibles
11:31:30 AMxsnlxif you are trapped in a prison of your own making, my instinct is to free you, but you have to want to be free of the prison first, or I'm just a distraction
11:32:58 AMLowInformationVoterSelf-accountability is one of my primary values