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A Conversation with Sara_Ks about accountability

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  1. 7:06:40 PM→ LowInformationVoter has joined
  2. 7:06:40 PMⓘ For debate and chat please join #Christiandebate Kjv Psalms 30:12 To the end that my glory may sing praise to thee, and not be silent. O LORD my God, I will give thanks unto thee for ever.
  3. 7:06:53 PMLowInformationVoterAn operator was abusive to me in private.
  4. 7:06:55 PMLowInformationVoterWhat is the resolution?
  5. 7:07:14 PM→ Sara_Ks has joined
  6. 7:07:14 PMⓘ ChanServ set mode +o Sara_Ks
  7. 7:07:20 PMLowInformationVoterHi, Sara_Ks.
  8. 7:07:26 PMLowInformationVoterI said this before you entered:
  9. 7:07:29 PM@Sara_KsSo lay it out
  10. 7:07:29 PMLowInformationVoterAn operator was abusive to me in private.
  11. 7:07:34 PMLowInformationVoterWhat is the resolution?
  12. 7:07:53 PMLowInformationVoterSara_Ks: Ross was abusive to me in private for about 30 minutes while I attempt to calm him, pray with him, and remind him of God.
  13. 7:09:46 PMLowInformationVoterI have a log of the entire conversation.
  14. 7:09:51 PMLowInformationVoterIs that important to you, Sara_Ks?
  15. 7:10:28 PM@Sara_KsFirst, We don't moderate PMs. One reason is we have no way to know what was actually said, logs can be forged
  16. 7:10:38 PM@Sara_KsSecond
  17. 7:11:08 PM@Sara_KsIf you have a problem with a pm. put it on ignore
  18. 7:11:28 PM@Sara_KsNo one requires you to read it
  19. 7:11:44 PM@Sara_KsThird
  20. 7:12:44 PM@Sara_KsThis is the first complaint like this about Ross since he was opped. It makes me think there is more to this than you mention
  21. 7:12:51 PMLowInformationVoterSara_Ks: Are you interested in asking Ross whether or not he had the conversation for which I have the log?
  22. 7:13:06 PMLowInformationVoterhttps://pastebin.com/kzfTeFAf
  23. 7:13:09 PMLowInformationVoterThere is the conversation.
  24. 7:14:55 PM@Sara_KsOk
  25. 7:15:00 PM@Sara_KsI read it
  26. 7:15:40 PMLowInformationVoterWhat are your thoughts.
  27. 7:16:24 PM@Sara_KsIf ANYTHING, you were the problem. You accused him of lying. you accused him of hating Jesus, you made claims about VP which were untrue and yes, VP was too agressive in some cases, that has been addressed
  28. 7:17:01 PMLowInformationVoterSara_Ks: He is the one calling me a liar.
  29. 7:17:02 PM@Sara_KsYour whole line of reasoning is bogus
  30. 7:17:06 PMLowInformationVoterI'm not sure if you misread the document.
  31. 7:17:13 PMLowInformationVoterRoss
  32. 7:17:13 PMLowInformationVoterwhy do you post lies about ppl on the i-net
  33. 7:17:25 PMLowInformationVoterRoss
  34. 7:17:25 PMLowInformationVoteryou ARE a LIAR
  35. 7:17:36 PMLowInformationVoterRoss
  36. 7:17:36 PMLowInformationVoterand you are an idiot
  37. 7:17:41 PMLowInformationVoterThese are his words, Sara_Ks.
  38. 7:17:50 PM@Sara_KsYou told him he hated Jesus, he told you no, You insisted. That is lying and calling him a liar
  39. 7:18:30 PM@Sara_KsYou say he claims to love Jesus and doesnt...thats calling him a liar
  40. 7:18:43 PMLowInformationVoterSo you're saying I called in a liar by implication?
  41. 7:18:47 PMLowInformationVoterIs this correct?
  42. 7:18:57 PM@Sara_KsIt doesnt matter how
  43. 7:19:11 PMLowInformationVoterSara_Ks: He called me a liar, explicitly and repeatedly.
  44. 7:19:15 PMLowInformationVoterHow do you feel about that?
  45. 7:19:26 PM@Sara_KsYou did lie
  46. 7:19:39 PMLowInformationVoterI see.
  47. 7:20:08 PM@Sara_KsYou claimed he didn't love Jesus. he said he did, you insisted even when corrected. It then becomes a lie
  48. 7:20:20 PMLowInformationVoterWhere did I say that Ross hates Jesus?
  49. 7:20:24 PMLowInformationVoterCan you please cite from my document.
  50. 7:20:45 PMLowInformationVoterbunb
  51. 7:20:45 PMLowInformationVoterThe reason I said that "you hate Christ with your whole heart" is because you defend VirtualPreacher.
  52. 7:20:46 PMLowInformationVoterI said that.
  53. 7:21:02 PMLowInformationVoterThat was not the most skillful thing to say.
  54. 7:21:11 PMLowInformationVoterIt is probably false.
  55. 7:21:31 PMLowInformationVoterI should have said, Ross, you do not consistently follow Christ. One way you fail to follow Christ is by supporting the abuse of VirtualPreacher.
  56. 7:21:40 PM@Sara_KsRoss, those are the words you typed.
  57. 7:21:40 PM@Sara_KsDo you not like seeing the words you typed?
  58. 7:21:40 PM@Sara_KsRoss
  59. 7:21:40 PM@Sara_Ksthose are not words that i typed
  60. 7:21:40 PM@Sara_Ksyou altered them
  61. 7:21:40 PM@Sara_Ksbunb
  62. 7:21:40 PM@Sara_KsIncorrect.
  63. 7:21:40 PM@Sara_KsRoss
  64. 7:21:40 PM@Sara_Ksi never said i hated Jesus
  65. 7:21:40 PM@Sara_Ksbunb
  66. 7:21:40 PM@Sara_KsAgreed.
  67. 7:21:49 PM@Sara_KsLowInformationVoter I can read
  68. 7:22:00 PM@Sara_KsAnd I see it there, in that post
  69. 7:22:38 PMLowInformationVoterI agreed with him when he said that he never said he hated Jesus.
  70. 7:22:48 PMLowInformationVoterSara_Ks: You are, so far, exclusively talking about my actions.
  71. 7:22:52 PMLowInformationVoterI wanted to draw your awareness to that.
  72. 7:23:05 PMLowInformationVoterI made some mistakes in my conversation with Ross.
  73. 7:23:17 PMLowInformationVoterDo you think he made any mistakes?
  74. 7:23:25 PM@Sara_KsIt seems to me, you were the problem and those mistakes makes it worse
  75. 7:23:34 PMLowInformationVoterI see.
  76. 7:23:38 PMLowInformationVoterDo you think Ross made any mistakes?
  77. 7:23:53 PMLowInformationVoterWhen he said "You are an idiot", was that a mistake?
  78. 7:24:07 PMLowInformationVoterIt was a mistake when I said, "You hate Christ with your whole heart".
  79. 7:24:36 PM@Sara_KsPerhaps he could have been more restrained. Perhaps he could have chosen words differently, I probably would, but we are all different
  80. 7:24:50 PMLowInformationVoterIt was a mistake for him to do that, as my words were a mistake.
  81. 7:24:54 PMLowInformationVoterIt's okay to say those words.
  82. 7:24:56 PM@Sara_KsThe key here is you caused the problem
  83. 7:25:13 PMLowInformationVoterWhat do you think is the problem I caused?
  84. 7:25:24 PMLowInformationVoterWhen he called me "asshole", was that a mistake?
  85. 7:25:28 PMLowInformationVoterWhat about "Satan's agent"?
  86. 7:25:43 PM@Sara_KsYou made unwarranted accusation, it angered him
  87. 7:25:58 PM@Sara_KsPeople are human
  88. 7:26:01 PMLowInformationVoterAm I human?
  89. 7:26:08 PM@Sara_KsYes
  90. 7:26:12 PMLowInformationVoterAre you able to forgive me for my mistakes I made to Ross?
  91. 7:26:27 PMLowInformationVoterI lose control of my emotions somewhat, and didn't speak as precisely as I should have.
  92. 7:26:28 PM@Sara_KsI'm not mad at you
  93. 7:26:41 PMLowInformationVoterIt is false that Ross "hates Jesus with his whole heart".
  94. 7:26:47 PMLowInformationVoterHe probably cares about Jesus a great deal.
  95. 7:26:59 PMLowInformationVoterBut he made a mistake in defending the abuse of VirtualPreacher, which bothered me.
  96. 7:27:17 PMLowInformationVoterI am glad you are not made at me.
  97. 7:27:19 PM@Sara_KsThen I think you need to talk to him an appologise
  98. 7:27:30 PMLowInformationVoterI would like to apologize to him about that phrase.
  99. 7:27:40 PMLowInformationVoterI have attempted to discuss this with him on a few occasions.
  100. 7:27:44 PMLowInformationVoterHe bans me when I do that.
  101. 7:28:06 PM@Sara_KsThen PM him and say you are sorry
  102. 7:28:31 PMLowInformationVoterI think his level of anger in the conversation was pretty intense and not healthy, but I can deal with that. I would like him to admit he got much more angry than he should have. Then, we can move on. :)
  103. 7:28:43 PMLowInformationVoterSara_Ks: Do you think he should apologize to me?
  104. 7:29:12 PM@Sara_KsSo he should appologise because he got made over lies being told about him?
  105. 7:29:22 PM@Sara_Ksmad
  106. 7:29:45 PMLowInformationVoterRoss: "you are such a looser"
  107. 7:29:54 PMLowInformationVoterRoss: "you ARE the child of Satan .... just as all liars are"
  108. 7:30:03 PMLowInformationVoterMe: "All are children of Christ, Ross."
  109. 7:30:08 PMLowInformationVoterRoss: "no we are not"
  110. 7:30:08 PM@Sara_KsI think you need to appologise, if you can't, then nothing can change
  111. 7:30:18 PMLowInformationVoterSara_Ks: Do you think Ross needs to apologize to me?
  112. 7:30:26 PMLowInformationVoterRoss: "you are a creep"
  113. 7:30:33 PMLowInformationVoterRoss: "you're not cool"
  114. 7:30:36 PM@Sara_KsI think you need to take the first step
  115. 7:30:41 PMLowInformationVoterMe: ""Here I stand... arms open wide""
  116. 7:30:49 PMLowInformationVoterRoss: "piss off dude you're the Devil not Jesus"
  117. 7:30:58 PMLowInformationVoterSara_Ks: Why do you think I need to take the first step?
  118. 7:31:15 PM@Sara_KsBecause you were the instigator
  119. 7:31:31 PMLowInformationVoterSara_Ks: Are we all children of God?
  120. 7:31:55 PMLowInformationVoterSara_Ks: I think most human communication is too complex to be able to label any person/side as the instigator.
  121. 7:32:04 PMLowInformationVoterI don't perceive myself or Ross as the instigator in this cae.
  122. 7:32:13 PMLowInformationVoterI am responsible for the things I said, and he is responsible for the things he said.
  123. 7:33:01 PMLowInformationVoterRoss: "i reject you and your Jesus"
  124. 7:33:16 PMLowInformationVoterHow do you feel about Ross saying that he rejects me -- a child of God -- and my Jesus?
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  127. 7:33:39 PMⓘ ChanServ set mode +o [e]
  128. 7:37:05 PM@Sara_KsCan you appologise?
  129. 7:38:51 PMLowInformationVoterSara_Ks: I will answer your question after you answer mine.
  130. 7:38:53 PM@Sara_Kslol
  131. 7:39:06 PMLowInformationVoterAs reciprocity is a foundation of human communication.
  132. 7:39:10 PM@Sara_KsLowInformationVoter You don't get to dictate rules here
  133. 7:39:25 PMLowInformationVoterSara_Ks: You can behave however you want. I am informing you of the standards I require.
  134. 7:39:40 PMLowInformationVoterIf I ask you questions, you don't answer them, and then ask me questions, I'm not going to answer them.
  135. 7:39:49 PMLowInformationVoterBecause reciprocity is a foundation of human communication.
  136. 7:39:57 PMLowInformationVoterAdditionally, I already answer your question.
  137. 7:40:08 PMLowInformationVoterWhich is why I perceive you to be asking it to be dishonest.
  138. 7:40:18 PMLowInformationVoter7:37:05 PM@Sara_KsCan you appologise?
  139. 7:40:23 PM@Sara_KsI've asked you that question numerous times, I've answered yours, if you will not answer, there is nothing more to say
  140. 7:40:31 PMLowInformationVoter7:27:30 PMLowInformationVoterI would like to apologize to him about that phrase.
  141. 7:40:40 PMLowInformationVoterSara_Ks: I already resolved that question over 10 minutes ago.
  142. 7:40:53 PMLowInformationVoterThat you perceive it to be unresolved is noteworthy.
  143. 7:41:10 PMLowInformationVoter7:28:43 PMLowInformationVoterSara_Ks: Do you think he should apologize to me?
  144. 7:41:10 PM@Sara_KsThen tell me you WILL appologise
  145. 7:41:21 PMLowInformationVoterSara_Ks: Sure, I will address that next.
  146. 7:41:26 PMLowInformationVoterI have a question for you from 13 minutes ago.
  147. 7:42:18 PM@Sara_KsLowInformationVoter If you want an appology from Ross, first appologise and talk. I'm sure he will do the right thing
  148. 7:42:42 PMLowInformationVoterSara_Ks: You are unwilling to answer that question.
  149. 7:42:51 PMLowInformationVoterYou will, however, demand I answer it repeatedly.
  150. 7:43:02 PMLowInformationVoterI perceive you to be unacceptably biased on this point.
  151. 7:43:08 PM@Sara_KsThats because I did already answer
  152. 7:43:09 PMLowInformationVoterThank you for the conversation.
  153. 7:43:17 PMLowInformationVoterSara_Ks: Please cite your answer.
  154.  
  155. Sara_Ks: (private) I said he was angry because of your accusations, its understandable. As for the other comments, I answered. I dont know what you posted is true, I have no opinion
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