Story Help #1

[19:24] T-snake: Hey man would you be able to help me then? If you've played the DS tittle and the new one, that may be enough
[19:25] CammyCapre: i can try but it's been ages
[19:25] T-snake: Alright that's fine. If you're a good writer, I presume that could be enough to help me out.
[19:25] CammyCapre: oh okay
[19:25] CammyCapre: i can try
[19:25] CammyCapre: im not terrific but i'll do my best lol
[19:26] T-snake: Long story short, I am re-booting an old fanfiction idea from middle school that I never completed. This story was made way back in the beginning of Gen IV...and that's the problem
[19:26] CammyCapre: ah
[19:26] CammyCapre: well you need to revamp a few things first and foremost
[19:26] T-snake: So many Pokemon and so much new lore had been introduced that there are several conflicts, leaving my story outdated in terms of Pokemon and lore
[19:26] CammyCapre: you could do a gen IV fic even
[19:27] T-snake: I mean I did try a reboot last gen, but I didn't feel confident and a third of the way through, I took it down. But it got good reception while it was up so I assume it was fine
[19:27] CammyCapre: but anyway, you'll need to revamp the cast and such if you're planning on doing it on newer gens
[19:27] CammyCapre: yeah well
[19:27] T-snake: Oh yeah cause as you can expect, there is a HUGE lack of Gen V and VI characters.
[19:27] CammyCapre: when you're doing stuff like this, you need to go back to the drawing board for a while
[19:27] CammyCapre: yeah
[19:27] CammyCapre: re-work a story arc
[19:28] CammyCapre: insert a few things for gen 5 and 6 to fit in
[19:28] CammyCapre: but if gen 4 is the central part, it doesn't have to have a whole heap of it
[19:28] T-snake: The new Pokemon isn't an issue: I am still using specific legends for the core story. The issue is the lore of the PMD world that the new game introduces
[19:29] T-snake: The new gens only pose a problem in that the amount of Gen V-VI characters is almost humorous
[19:29] T-snake: But back to new lore. It poses a problem of my Fan-Canon for the PMD world and my main antagonist's motivation
[19:30] CammyCapre: hm
[19:30] T-snake: You want me to start with the Fan-Canon? It leads into my main antagonist
[19:30] CammyCapre: yeah
[19:31] T-snake: Okay so the fan-canon where it stands, updated at the beginning of Gen V when I attempted a second reboot, is about the lack of humans and Arceus in the PMD universe
[19:32] T-snake: It starts back roughly 2,000 years ago. The world was much like you would expect for that era; primitive, war strewn, etc
[19:32] CammyCapre: uh-uh
[19:32] CammyCapre: i don't see anything wrong thus far
[19:33] CammyCapre: i think the only thing you could really do is just try to add a few subplots, or just add characters to the main plot
[19:33] T-snake: But the main difference is there existed a forgotten race of humans: the Omeegans: a steam-punk ridden society whose leader had a love for conquering other races
[19:34] CammyCapre: hm
[19:34] T-snake: These people were thousands of years ahead of all the other races of people at the time, putting even the Romans to shame. Most of the legends were fearful of this race.
[19:35] T-snake: However, one day, Arceus was captured and tortured by the Omeegans,being forced to give up his secret to his powers of creation
[19:36] T-snake: Out of shame, Arceus left his physical body and ascended to the spirit realm, never to have his hand in the Pokemon world again
[19:36] CammyCapre: geez
[19:36] T-snake: The raw power the Omeegan's demonstrated through their ability to detain Arceus frightened all of the legends, rendering them unwilling to combat this force
[19:36] T-snake: Except for two: Ho-oh and Lugia
[19:37] T-snake: Ho-oh and Lugia made a pact with eachother: a simple plan to wipe out the human's of their world
[19:37] T-snake: So they began...but a Pokemon had another idea...
[19:38] T-snake: Enter Dracoris, a fan-made legend (yes I know, OC Pokemon usually do poorly, but it works in the lore). This Pokemon of Fog thought it was unfair to destroy all of the human race based on the deeds of a few
[19:38] CammyCapre: ocs should be fine
[19:38] T-snake: This legend teamed up with Giratina, who was back then not confined to the Distortion Realm in an effort to save the humans
[19:39] CammyCapre: ooo
[19:39] CammyCapre: i like this
[19:40] T-snake: While Dracoris combated Lugia and Ho-oh, Giratina worked with his ability to cross dimensions to send the humans to a new world and re-write their memories, erasing all knowledge of the Omeegans, their old world, and Dracoris and Giratina
[19:41] T-snake: OH not all humans. Only the pure-hearted and the ones who were not aligned with the Omeegans
[19:41] T-snake: Dracoris eventually surrendered to Lugia and Ho-oh and let them destroy the rest of the humans after Giratina had saved enough
[19:42] T-snake: This angered Arceus. Arceus held a council from his adobe in the spirit realm. He decreed that since Dracoris was a newer Legend that he shouldn't have to suffer punishment. However, Giratina was banished to the Reverse World and the humans were taught it was for being evil and violent
[19:43] T-snake: Arceus then returned back to the spirit realm and gifted Rayquaza the title of God of Pokemon
[19:43] T-snake: Now the ONLY benefit I received from newer games is the Rayquaza part
[19:43] CammyCapre: you can say reshiram/zekrom are younger than the rest of the legends
[19:43] CammyCapre: because that does seem believable
[19:44] T-snake: The Draconid and Mega Evolution backstory from ORAS COMPLETELY mesh well with Rayquaza receiving the title much more than my reasoning of " I like Rayquaza"
[19:44] CammyCapre: and xerneas/yveltal were created when arceus was most pleased/displeased with humanity after gira saved them
[19:44] CammyCapre: yeah that sounds really good
[19:44] CammyCapre: lmfao "i like rayquaza"
[19:44] T-snake: Actually, I have used those two post game already. Ho-oh and Lugia were a fairly recent edit (recent being 2012)
[19:45] T-snake: Oh wait keep going with the Xerneas and Yveltal thing
[19:45] T-snake: You played the new game right? Because I know they use Xerneas/Yveltal
[19:45] CammyCapre: so is PMD in the future, past, present..?
[19:45] CammyCapre: the new PMD?
[19:45] CammyCapre: i dont remember it
[19:45] T-snake: Present in a different universe
[19:45] CammyCapre: hm
[19:46] T-snake: According to my fan-canon, we aren't from where we currently live. We are from the PMD world. We were just saved by the falsely accused Giratina
[19:46] CammyCapre: because you could say during wars, either yveltal or xerneas were created because arceus was like 'srsly these bitches need to die' or 'c'mon guys calm down', respectively
[19:46] CammyCapre: and during times of peace arceus could either just get bored of staring down at them or be like 'aah yes, let's be even more peaceful'
[19:46] T-snake: Hmm...maybe I could change Lugia and Ho-oh to Xerneas an Yveltal
[19:46] CammyCapre: or it could be four
[19:46] T-snake: Although, those Pokemon were used a skey characters in the new PMD so idk
[19:47] T-snake: I mean the issue isn't the legends. The issue is more the main villain and one of the ways that the heroes try to save the world during the main story line
[19:48] T-snake: So enter Maxerus: a Mightyena who was living in what we know as Ancient Rome at the time that Lugia and Ho-oh decided to erase the human race
[19:49] T-snake: Maxerus' trainer went missing suddenly right before the attacks
[19:49] T-snake: After the rubble cleared, Maxerus saw all these dead humans and feared his human was killed as well
[19:50] T-snake: In a rage, Maxerus decided to dabble in sorcery, extending his life, corrupting his mind, and giving him powers beyond beliefe, in hopes of reuniting himself with his owner
[19:50] T-snake: Alas, Maxerus' intentions became a little foggy. With Arceus refusing to ever have anything to do with the material world after the event, Maxerus had no fear of practicing dark magic
[19:51] T-snake: He decided, plain and simple, if he couldn't be reunited with his owner, that he would get revenge on what he considered to backstabbers (most of the legendary cast) and Pokemon that are complacent with these backstabbers
[19:52] T-snake: This is due to the fact that it isn't common knowledge where the humans went. heck only a select few legendary Pokemon know what happened
[19:53] T-snake: So how I have it is that Maxerus is behind the major disasters of the series' past games: the meteor, the time crisis, etc
[19:53] T-snake: Now here's the issue: the main antagonist from the new game, Dark Matter
[19:53] CammyCapre: hm
[19:53] CammyCapre: well this could be an alternate-alternate universe and he wouldn't be a thing
[19:53] T-snake: Dark Matter is a non-Pokemon like being that is hinted to be the one behind the disasters and has targetted the tree of life
[19:54] CammyCapre: or you could say that they worked together
[19:54] T-snake: Lol yeah. But I want to see if I can find a way to allow them both to exist
[19:54] T-snake: THAT WAS AN IDEA
[19:54] CammyCapre: or maxerus could just be a physical/pokemon form of dark matter
[19:54] CammyCapre: dark matter could be salty about the whole thing as well and be like 'yo let's team up'
[19:55] T-snake: My idea was, after I decided to re-boot, that maybe Maxerus received his powers from Dark Matter during a time when Dark Matter was prevalent (which there is lore in the game that said Dark Matter has been around before_
[19:55] T-snake: Well at the end of the game, doesn't Dark Matter retreat for another sleeping spel of thousands of years?
[19:56] T-snake: See, my story, canon wise, takes place more recently, but not by much. The main protagonists of PMD 2 are middle aged
[19:56] CammyCapre: hm
[19:56] T-snake: But yeah how does that sound: maybe Maxerus studied Dark Matter's magic
[19:56] CammyCapre: yeah that could work
[19:56] CammyCapre: maxerus could be his assistant
[19:56] CammyCapre: or dun dun dun vice versa
[19:57] T-snake: That would be one hack of a plot twist
[19:57] CammyCapre: yeah
[19:57] T-snake: It works well because, I swear Pokemon steals my ideas sometimes, one of Maxerus' defining abilities was, you guessed it
[19:57] T-snake: Turning Pokemon to stone.
[19:57] CammyCapre: lmao
[19:57] CammyCapre: yeah that would make sense then
[19:57] CammyCapre: if they've got such similar powers, it would make sense that they work together
[19:57] CammyCapre: dark matter could be maxerus's assistant and take the blame
[19:58] T-snake: Eh idk. Dark Matter seemed pretty god-like in the games. I don't think he'd be taking commands from even a strong sorcerer
[19:58] T-snake: But the big issue is with what the game said happens when you are turned to stone
[19:59] CammyCapre: what did it say
[19:59] T-snake: In the games, your spirit is taken to a void land where it can either fight its way back to the real world or perish there. If your spirit perishes there, your only hope is to be revived in the real world
[20:00] T-snake: However, in my story, it is a little different
[20:00] CammyCapre: they could have different types
[20:00] CammyCapre: it makes sense that they'd have a few differences as well
[20:00] T-snake: Oh...wow I never thought of that
[20:01] CammyCapre: they wouldn't be carbon copies; maxerus's magic would possibly be a bit weaker or just different, because of their capabilities/understandings/etc
[20:01] T-snake: Yeah if Dark Matter is much more powerful than Maxerus, then it would make sense that while Dark Matter's stone spell takes Pokemon to a whole new world that Maxerus' would be weaker
[20:01] T-snake: Yeah wow that works!
[20:02] CammyCapre: yay
[20:02] T-snake: How it works in my story is just a separation of body and spirit. I only have it twice, but it is major both times
[20:02] CammyCapre: i did a thing
[20:02] T-snake: Thanks man!
[20:02] CammyCapre: happy to help lol
[20:03] T-snake: But yeah in my story, the heroes encounter an explorer who had been turned to stone. Because of the heroe's ability to see spirits, he can see the explorer and talk to him. The explorer appears to talk to the hero randomly through the story too
[20:03] T-snake: Until he is eventually saved near the end and becomes a key part in the fight against Maxerus
[20:03] T-snake: The second is in the final fight, the hero is "killed" by Maxerus via the stone spell
[20:04] CammyCapre: D:
[20:04] T-snake: Where he is thanks by a more emotionally stable Arceus but is sentenced to a hearing of whether or not the hero will be forced to return to the human world or be allowed back to the PMD world
[20:06] T-snake: Oh and the human originally came to the PMD world because he died in a tragic wreck. He led a loner life and had died in a car crash. Dracoris, who at the time had been removed from his body by Maxerus in an attempt to control Dracoris, snatched up the hero's spirit
[20:07] T-snake: And brought him to the PMD world, memories in tact, with the only hint of why being a ball of light (Dracoris' spirit that the hero could see due to his ability to see spirits
[20:07] T-snake: Wait no sorry. GIRATINA snatched up his spirit and Dracoris' spirit told the hero to save him
[20:07] T-snake: So yeah I think that still works even with the introduction of Dark Matter
[20:08] T-snake: Do you think the story could play out well. Like I said, it is outdated, but my writing skills have improved so
[20:10] CammyCapre: hm
[20:10] CammyCapre: yeah it looks good
[20:10] CammyCapre: i like the whole concept, it works well
[20:11] T-snake: I mean I know it is a HUGE back-story with the legends and Omeegans, but it meshes well. Explains humans, legends, TMs/orbs, etc
[20:11] T-snake: Oh thanks!
[20:11] CammyCapre: yeah it definitely works well
[20:11] CammyCapre: it all makes sense
[20:11] CammyCapre: i like the twist with giratina
[20:12] T-snake: But yeah and I plan on introducing it in chunks, whether it be via Pokemon around town talking, legends, or lore in dungeons. That will be the blind version, the one that everyone knows and Maxerus is convinced of
[20:13] T-snake: Blind Version: basically, the story ends with the humans are all dead and Giratina was banished for trying to fight Ho-oh and Lugia
[20:14] T-snake: Then, the player encounters the dark spirit that has saved him multiple times (there are three main spirits: Dracoris (we learn his identity about a 1/6th inm teh explorer which is introduced around the half way point but a little after, and the dark one that has been around since the beginning
[20:15] T-snake: But we don't learn it is Giratina until the hero almost dies (not turned to stone but another instance) and is saved by Giratina. There, Giratina describes the real story
[20:15] T-snake: but yeah does that sound like a good way to introduce such a convoluted back story
[20:19] CammyCapre: yeah it definitely works well
[20:19] CammyCapre: sorry i went to do something
[20:19] T-snake: It's fine man!
[20:20] T-snake: One more plot issue I have is these things called Space Cubes (name pending: I haven't changed their names since their creation in 2009)
[20:20] CammyCapre: hm
[20:20] T-snake: Wait...no maybe they aren't an issu
[20:21] T-snake: Wait they are
[20:21] CammyCapre: how so?
[20:23] T-snake: I think they are in issue but in a different sense...
[20:23] CammyCapre: what makes them an issue?
[20:24] T-snake: See I never got to the point where they were introduced after my big over haul in 2012 so their purpose is still the same from a VERY old version
[20:25] T-snake: Basically, in a nutshelll, they are 5 cubes that were created after the Omeegan event for SOME reason. And whatever reason it was, when the Pokemon learn of Maxerus' rising (but still don't know Maxerus' identity nor do they know what he is doing), they decide to collect them
[20:25] T-snake: So for whatever reason they were created for 2,000 years ago, they look like an effective solution to combat Maxerus
[20:26] T-snake: However, when collected, they don't work. they are taken to the ancient ruins, where they shuld do...something...and they don't owrk
[20:26] T-snake: But their old purpose makes no sense anymore...I also can't remember their old purpose, but this was before the Omeegans and when the plot was more a clone of PMD2
[20:26] CammyCapre: haha
[20:27] T-snake: *before I added the Omeegans
[20:27] CammyCapre: well you can just cut them out if you need to
[20:27] T-snake: I can't really...that cuts out a big plot arc
[20:27] T-snake: See here's why I need them or a replacement
[20:28] T-snake: After the Exploration Guild learns of Maxerus' rising power, because they dont know what he's doing or his true identity, they decide to collect these cubes
[20:28] T-snake: It just so happens on their most recent expedition, the hero found one in a search for treasure
[20:28] CammyCapre: you could incorporate unown somehow?
[20:28] CammyCapre: in a similar way?
[20:28] CammyCapre: but maxerus overpowers them or something?
[20:29] T-snake: (Idk you tell me after I kind of describe why I need a similar item and dungeon count)
[20:29] T-snake: there are 5. Their powers are scaled and each cube can find one that is weaker than it
[20:29] T-snake: The five are Water, Fire, Earth, Ice, and Air
[20:29] T-snake: In order of weakest to strongest
[20:30] T-snake: The hero just so happened to find the Ice Cube (haha), meaning that after the guild decided to find the rest, all they really had to do was deduce the location of the Air. The other three were just search and collect missions
[20:30] T-snake: DANGEROUS ones, but simple none the less
[20:30] T-snake: During this time, which is why I need this or a similar arc, many things are happening
[20:31] CammyCapre: yeah i get what you mean
[20:31] T-snake: First off, and most important, guild elections. For the past decade or so, the guildmaster has been severely hindered mentally (almost to a comical degree)
[20:32] T-snake: The pair, guildmaster and his assistant (his assistant has ran the guild on his own mostly when it comes to leadership), has still won the yearly elections
[20:32] CammyCapre: mhm
[20:33] T-snake: However, in spite of some recent mess-ups by the guild, the people of the Canopy Village want a new one. During the time where the heroes are in and out collecting cubes, Terramus and Voltier (the Guild Master and Assistant, Carnivine and Luxray), are running their campaign
[20:33] T-snake: Second, is during these adventures and campaign, I end up dropping hints to both readers and the characters in the story that Voltier MIGHT be Maxerus
[20:34] T-snake: So these several episodes while the heroes are working the guild is campaigning need to happen
[20:34] CammyCapre: hm
[20:34] T-snake: Third, because the cubes are so ancient, the legends that guard them and the dungeons they are in help finalize the back story with the Omeegans and humans
[20:35] CammyCapre: yeah
[20:35] CammyCapre: but how exactly are they an issue?
[20:35] CammyCapre: is it because there's so much going on..?
[20:35] T-snake: Lastly, Maxerus is trying to convince a rival team to kill the heroes during this time which, during a break between the time they collect the 4th cube and know where the fifth one is, they attempt to
[20:36] T-snake: No the issue is I have no clue WHY they are in story still, but the plot devices and key elements are built around the fact that for about a week, the heroes are collecting an ancient item of sorts to combat Maxerus while the guild campaigns
[20:36] T-snake: But I don't know why these cubes would help combat maxerus
[20:37] CammyCapre: ah
[20:37] CammyCapre: like i said, you could go with unown to make it easier
[20:37] T-snake: May you explain that
[20:37] CammyCapre: aren't unown like
[20:38] CammyCapre: really powerful when they're together?
[20:38] CammyCapre: basically, they're trying to find unown that got separated into different caves or something because they want to use their power to defeat maxerus
[20:40] T-snake: Hmm..maybe these are special Unown yes...they think because of their connection to Arceus, maybe these special Unown could conjure up a way to defeat Maxerus
[20:40] T-snake: Yes this makes sense! All we need to do is come up with a reason of why does this fail IMMEDIATELY
[20:41] T-snake: Like in the story, they put Space Cubes in the slots where this power should be released, and nothing happens
[20:41] T-snake: And during the time when the heroes are away...all hell breaks loose
[20:41] CammyCapre: maxerus could either A) overpower the unown
[20:41] CammyCapre: or B) have nothing to do with it and the unown are just like 'why did you even think we'd help you?'
[20:42] T-snake: OH IDEA
[20:42] T-snake: Sorry not to dismiss yours, but I have an idea that works with the plot
[20:42] T-snake: So lets say that the heroes do think that they will work and begin to take these Unown or whatever power they give them, home
[20:43] T-snake: In fact...if they give the heroes a power, maybe the power could work
[20:43] T-snake: The plot device problem is i had it to where these Space Cubes SHOULD have worked IMMEDIATELY, but failed
[20:43] T-snake: If I have it where they were collecting these Unown to get a power, i can follow one of two paths
[20:44] T-snake: One: this power will work and the story continues as follows until they fight Maxerus and a corrupted Dracoris and it turns out the power isn't as OP as they thought
[20:44] T-snake: or
[20:44] CammyCapre: hey brb i got to do something
[20:44] T-snake: Two: They think the power will work and the story goes as planned for a LITTLE
[20:44] CammyCapre: keep talking and i'll catch up when i get back
[20:44] T-snake: (okay)
[20:44] T-snake: (I'll keep talking yeah)
[20:44] T-snake: Because how the story went after the cubes failed was this
[20:45] T-snake: Since the heroes had been gone for two days, back at Canopy Village, Terrance, a friend of Voltier, won the election because the night before, someone else was killed by Maxerus and Voltier was framed
[20:46] T-snake: This landed Voltier in jail until a formal investigation could happen...but one never happens...
[20:46] T-snake: See Terrance was introduced into the story about 1/4th of the way in. He is a hotel owner from a northern continent that helped house the Guild during their expedition
[20:47] T-snake: Terrance and Voltier go way back...however, Voltier never knew that Terrance died a long time ago...this Mightyena isn't Terrance...
[20:47] T-snake: Key word, Mightyena
[20:47] T-snake: See the readers ALSO don't know the identity of Maxerus nor the species. Later on, it is hinted that he is a large cat/dog like quadruped, but nothing much more
[20:48] T-snake: So while the readers and the town are led to believe it is Voltier, it is actually Terrance who is Maxerus
[20:49] T-snake: So after Maxerus' big reveal and the fall of the guild, Maxerus takes over Canopy Village. he does so so he can set up base in the town. The town HAPPENS to be close to Sky Tower, a tower of clouds that only appears every so often
[20:49] T-snake: At the summit of Sky Tower, Maxerus can complete the process of creating the corrupted Dracoris and end becoming an even stronger sorcerer
[20:50] T-snake: So the capturing of Canopy Village happens while the heroes are in the ruins taking the cubes (or now, Unown), there
[20:50] T-snake: After the event there, the heroes are chased through a few traumatizing dungeons ( one where the partner's parents were murdered years ago, one that is an ancient Omeegan factory, and one that is a swamp)
[20:51] T-snake: The partner is eventually captured by one of Maxerus' favorite lackeys and the hero is nearly defeated. However, he escapes to a volcano near Canopy Village. Because this lackey is a grass type, the lackey ditches the chase
[20:52] T-snake: The hero goes through the volcano and encounters an enraged Heatran. After a hard won battle, the cave starts to collapse. The hero risks his life to save Heatran, pushing Heatran out first.
[20:53] T-snake: Right before a boulder is about to crush the hero, he is warped to the Distortion World, where he encounters Giratinat who explains the real story to him about what happened to humans and why no one believes he is human AND why he was brought to this world
[20:53] T-snake: HERE, if I choose to have the Unown FAIL, I can have it where Giratina tells the hero that the plan with the Unown won't work
[20:54] T-snake: OR if I have the Unonw WORK, I can have it that after the hero is sent back to the PMD world to finish the job, Heatran saves the town in an effort to repay the hero, the town fights Maxerus' army while the hero and partner climb to the summit of Sky Tower,
[20:55] T-snake: I can have it that the power isn't as powerful as they thought. Which works GREAT with another arc that is going on. A third member of the hero, partner, and partner trio, who stayed behind when the main two went to get the power, made it out of the village and encountered an elder
[20:56] T-snake: This elder knows what will REALLY work: Rayquaza
[20:56] T-snake: This third member, a Zorua, and his companions: an Onix who runs a farm and an ex-crook Seviper, make their way to an ancient village NEAR where Rayquaza has retired to
[20:57] T-snake: They complete the dungeon, meet Rayquaza, and have him come help JUST IN TIME to arrive when the hero is "killed"
[20:57] T-snake: When Rayquaza and the others arrive, the final battle begins
[20:58] T-snake: The partner and Rayquaza vs. Maxerus and corrupted Dracoris
[20:58] T-snake: All of this was already added back in 2012. What I have added is your idea of the Unown bestowing a power
[20:59] T-snake: AND maybe I can have Rayquaza Mega Evolve. That could be the gift he received from Arceus for being the new god of Pokemon while Arceus lives in excile. Thoughts on all of this?
[21:04] CammyCapre: okay this all sounds good
[21:05] CammyCapre: the working vs not working thing comes down to this;
[21:05] CammyCapre: how long do you want it to be?
[21:05] CammyCapre: it not working leaves a lot more room for extra ideas and a generally longer plot
[21:06] CammyCapre: but it working would seem to 'seal the deal' a lot earlier
[21:06] T-snake: Actually, neither one lengthens the plot
[21:07] T-snake: I'm either going with doesn't work or works but isn't enough to "seal the deal" correct?
[21:08] CammyCapre: okay yeah that works
[21:08] CammyCapre: if that's the case, then it not working well enough sounds better, because you say it works amazingly
[21:09] CammyCapre: i'm assuming giratina would also be under the impression that the unown would be strong enough?
[21:09] T-snake: Yes. Maybe Giratina could underestimate Maxerus' power
[21:09] T-snake: Or make a misconception
[21:09] T-snake: Such as maybe the Unown's power only works on legendary Pokemon and everyone forgot about that
[21:11] CammyCapre: yeah that would make sense
[21:11] CammyCapre: i mean it's been a couple millenia
[21:12] CammyCapre: it would make sense that giratina would forget a few things here and the re
[21:12] CammyCapre: *there
[21:13] T-snake: Yeah and Ho-oh/Lugia (both are involved in the collection of these items with Lugia guarding the final one and Ho-oh guarding the ruins/relic where the items need to be brought. Ho-oh has mellowed out and regrets what he did...Lugia hasn't...Lugia is a violent boss battle
[21:13] T-snake: Also, so you can understand the last few days of the story, here is an over view
[21:13] T-snake: Day 1: Heroes venture to Ruins, Maxerus plans his big reveal, Voltier arrested under suspicion
[21:13] T-snake: Day 2: Heroes arrive and gain the power of the Unown after the dungone, Maxerus reveals himself and begins to conquer the town, Maxerus sends his main lackey after the hero and partner, the third partner left behind escapes via tunnels and learn about Rayquaza
[21:13] T-snake: Day 3: The hero and partner fight through two dungeons in an attempt to get home, Maxerus has full control over Canopy Village and now Sky Tower, the third partner and friends head to the village near where Rayquaza resides
[21:14] T-snake: Day 4: The partner is kidnapped and the hero nearly dies vs. Heatran but is saved by Giratina and works on getting to town, Maxerus still in charge, third partner and friends find Rayquaza and work on finding its Mega Meteor
[21:14] T-snake: Day 5: Hero arrives in town and Heatran who wanted to thank the player helps cause a jail break so the townies can strike back, third partner and friends find Rayquaza's meteor and they all make way to the town
[21:14] T-snake: End of Day 5: The hero and partner ascend Sky Tower to fight Maxerus. Hero dies. Dracoris appears and even with help, the partner can't defeat it. Rayquaza and the third partner arrive and Partner + Rayquaza vs. Maxerus + Dracoris begins
[21:15] T-snake: The End: Hero faces trial and is let back in the PMD world due to showing true spirit (as you can see, spirit and spirits is a theme of the story). Maxerus vanishes (thought to have been killed, but body later disappears), town goes back to normal, if not better...until sequal
[21:16] CammyCapre: there's gonna be a sequel, eh?
[21:16] CammyCapre: and the plot is very solid
[21:17] T-snake: Thanks man. May I run a few more things by you that could be questionable devices through the story?
[21:18] CammyCapre: yeah of course
[21:19] T-snake: The Inclusion of More OC-Legends
[21:19] T-snake: These Legends tie into the story so they could be justified as NOT going overboard, but still I know some people don't like OC's
[21:19] CammyCapre: that's a bit more iffy
[21:19] T-snake: Anywho, they are a trio of minor legends (minor like the birds, beasts, golems, etc)
[21:20] CammyCapre: it could work if you do it really well, but there's no need to overload on them
[21:20] T-snake: Oh yeah I know. Their role won't even be as major as Dracoris
[21:20] CammyCapre: hm
[21:20] CammyCapre: what do they do?
[21:20] T-snake: What they are is a trio created by the Omeegans in response to the creation of the Regis by the Romans
[21:20] CammyCapre: it makes sense that the omeegans would create stuff with the knowledge
[21:21] CammyCapre: but you could always make it an already-existing trio or something
[21:21] T-snake: They are based off of the three states of matter: Vasiklay (meaning royal clay, based off of solids), Vasikloud (royal cloud, gases), and Vasiklava (royal lava, liquids)
[21:21] CammyCapre: like they could have made regigigas to be like 'lol you tried'
[21:21] T-snake: Yeah that's why I am debating
[21:21] CammyCapre: they could have made the gen 5 weather trio?
[21:22] T-snake: Oh idea just popped into my head
[21:22] CammyCapre: shoot
[21:22] T-snake: So, I would have used the Omeegan's trio, who betrayed the Omeegans, as guardians of three of the five cubes (Water, Fire, and Earth)
[21:23] T-snake: If I didn't use the trio, I WAS going to have the Water be guarded by a trio of frog Pokemon (Toxicoak, Politoed, and Seismitoad) due to where it was found
[21:23] T-snake: The fire by Moltres (due to it being found on an island far away)
[21:23] T-snake: The Earth by Terrakion (due to it being found on a mountain)
[21:24] T-snake: And the Ice by Regice (Regice was going to appear either way)
[21:24] T-snake: WAIT NO
[21:24] T-snake: Cut the frogs. I forgot I cut them long ago for Suicune
[21:24] T-snake: And the last cube guarded by Lugia
[21:24] T-snake: And the ruins by Ho-oh
[21:25] T-snake: Due to a severe lack of Gen VI Pokemon
[21:25] T-snake: What if I use the Hoopa, Diancie, and Volcanion trio?
[21:26] T-snake: Only cons are that Hoopa really doesn't fit in a water dungeon so maybe I can have it where the cubes that are needed to be collected (Or the Unown) to obtain the power aren't Fire, Water, etc themed
[21:26] T-snake: That AND Hoopa played a pretty cool role in the new game and it would be a very strange downgrade
[21:26] T-snake: Oh wait
[21:26] T-snake: Bring back the frogs
[21:26] T-snake: Water - Frogs
[21:27] T-snake: Fire - Volcanion
[21:27] T-snake: Earth - Diancie
[21:27] T-snake: Ice - Regice
[21:27] T-snake: Air - Lugia
[21:27] T-snake: Ruins - Ho-oh
[21:27] T-snake: Boom?
[21:27] CammyCapre: perfect
[21:27] T-snake: Nice. And there is my Gen VI representation
[21:27] CammyCapre: volcanion/diancie/hoopa isn't really a trio anyway, they're all just dlc-esque
[21:27] CammyCapre: perfect
[21:27] T-snake: Nice
[21:28] T-snake: Okay let's finalize
[21:28] T-snake: What are we collecting?
[21:28] CammyCapre: the elements and stuff can still be represented by unown bc hidden power
[21:28] T-snake: Special Unown to give us the power, cubes to summon Unown to get power, etc?
[21:28] CammyCapre: cubes to summon unown actually does sound interesting
[21:29] T-snake: Cubes may work better because the first one they find, the Ice, is a treasure they find on the expedition which they later find out during the first expedition throgh Sky Tower, near the halfway point of the story, that the world is threatened by Maxerus and these cubes could save it
[21:29] T-snake: *through
[21:30] T-snake: Oh duh
[21:30] T-snake: What is "the power" xD
[21:30] T-snake: It has to be something that works but doesn't work enough to stop Maxerus because maxerus isn't a legendary AND can't stop Dracoris because of corruption
[21:31] T-snake: Maybe some kind of like "silver" stuff? Doesn't silver in greek mythology kill Gods but is harmless to mortals?
[21:31] T-snake: Or something...I remember Percy Jackson teaching me this
[21:31] T-snake: Like his sword was half metal to kill humans and half something else to harm gods
[21:32] T-snake: Oh Celestial Bronze
[21:32] T-snake: So maybe it could be some Celestial Power that they thing could stop Maxerus but doesn't?
[21:32] T-snake: What does this power take the form of...thoughts?
[21:34] CammyCapre: lmao "i remember percy jackson teaching me this"
[21:34] T-snake: Taught me all I know about myhtology yo
[21:34] CammyCapre: lmao
[21:34] CammyCapre: thoughts is a bit iffy, but it could work if you do it right
[21:34] T-snake: Lay it on me
[21:35] CammyCapre: are you wanting this 'power' to be a sort of physically-existing thing?
[21:35] CammyCapre: a huge beam of light might be a bit too boring imo, so nothing like that
[21:35] CammyCapre: you could do like, a kind of god-slaying power-up or something if you want?
[21:35] T-snake: I don't know. I think so. Do you mean like the opposite of physically existing to be like "Oh now your attacks can kill Gods"
[21:36] CammyCapre: like, the protag glows all blue and someone in the distance is like 'power levels are over 9000!!!!" or something lmao
[21:36] CammyCapre: but that's a bit over-the-top and generic in its own way, but a kind of 'boost' could work
[21:36] CammyCapre: there's a lot you can do
[21:36] T-snake: Yeah my thoughts exactly
[21:36] CammyCapre: it could even be that it's just some sort of enlightenment lol
[21:37] T-snake: How about, playing on the new items from the new PMD game, it is a wand that can forever petrify any legendary
[21:37] T-snake: But the legends forgot it was legendary-specific?
[21:37] T-snake: Idk
[21:37] CammyCapre: the cubes could make that, yeah
[21:37] CammyCapre: again, it's been like, milennia
[21:37] CammyCapre: i can't even remember what i had for dinner last week
[21:37] T-snake: Yeah maybe bestow the power of the cubes onto the wand
[21:37] CammyCapre: yeah
[21:38] T-snake: Yeah true haha but it is hard to forget that there exists and item that can make you easy to kill
[21:38] CammyCapre: or they just have to bring a stick and then the cubes kinda fuse with it or something to make it a wand
[21:38] T-snake: But the idea could work.
[21:38] CammyCapre: yeah
[21:38] T-snake: Yes. Or maybe the purpose for bringing the cubes to the ruins is this stick/wand is sealed in the ruins
[21:39] CammyCapre: ah yes
[21:39] T-snake: That makes sense. that is six guardians and six dungeons that you not only have to find but survive to collect the items to make this wand
[21:39] T-snake: That is enough leg-work for such an over-powered item
[21:39] CammyCapre: yeah that sounds reasonable
[21:39] CammyCapre: an over-powered item that won't even work lolz
[21:40] T-snake: Plot Hole: If it can petrify any Pokemon (or so they think), why doesn't the hero and partner use it when they are being attacked
[21:40] T-snake: OH IDEA
[21:40] T-snake: How about they use it when they are being attacked
[21:40] T-snake: It fails
[21:40] T-snake: PArtner is captured
[21:40] T-snake: And when the hero is saved by Giratina, Giratina tells him that it only works on legendary Pokemon
[21:41] T-snake: That the tool is useless
[21:41] T-snake: SO the hero ABANDONS the wand with Giratina who returns it and the cubes to their rightful locations
[21:41] T-snake: They make it to Maxerus eventually
[21:41] T-snake: Dracoris appears
[21:41] T-snake: And they WISH they hadn't abandoned the wand
[21:41] T-snake: Thoughts?
[21:42] CammyCapre: okay yeah
[21:42] CammyCapre: that's good
[21:42] CammyCapre: no more plotholes yaas
[21:42] T-snake: yep! With that aspect
[21:43] T-snake: I think the only issue that remains is I want to do a Legendary Count in the order they appear and you tell me if they work in their role
[21:45] CammyCapre: oh okay
[21:45] T-snake: First we have Regice
[21:45] T-snake: Regice appears at the end of the final dungeon during the expedition. The heroes didn't know there was a cube up there, they thought only treasure. Regice had been weakened due to fighting off some of Maxerus' lackeys prior to the encounter. (All of this is from the 2012 reboot)
[21:46] CammyCapre: yeah that sounds fine
[21:47] T-snake: Landorus: Since Rayquaza's retirement, Landorus has guarded the Sky Tower from trespassers. After learning the heroes just wanted to explore and mean no harm AND learning they have a cube, Landorus explains what it is, and suggests they return it.
[21:47] T-snake: Landorus also visits the guild around the same time that the guild learns that Maxerus is on the rise. Landorus suggests instead of returning the cube, why not use it to stop Maxerus
[21:48] CammyCapre: i thought giratina explained why not to use it
[21:48] T-snake: This is WAY before
[21:48] CammyCapre: ah
[21:48] CammyCapre: okay
[21:49] T-snake: Sorry lol this is like near half through
[21:49] CammyCapre: lmfao wrong chat
[21:49] T-snake: Giratina event happens like two days before the end
[21:49] T-snake: Yeah oops
[21:49] T-snake: Basically, you only know of like two thirds of the story
[21:50] T-snake: The first third I have reworked and I like and has no issues with the second or third parts
[21:50] CammyCapre: ah okay
[21:50] T-snake: Regice returns to fight the heroes IN THE TOWN for the cube, this time at full power, but Landorus helps calm it down and explains the new quest that they are on
[21:50] CammyCapre: yep
[21:50] T-snake: And this marks the beginning of the second third: Finding the cubes and creating the wand while Maxerus plans his reveal
[21:51] T-snake: Okay so you're cool with Regice and Landorus
[21:51] CammyCapre: yeah
[21:51] T-snake: Okay next we have...
[21:52] T-snake: Volcanion: Guardian of the Kakaboom Isles, home of the Fire Cube. Violent in nature. Kakaboom Isles is also where the ancient text that describes the "Blind History" of the Pokemon world (humans are dead, Giratina is evil)
[21:53] CammyCapre: if you really wanted you could even make him guard the fire AND water cubes
[21:54] CammyCapre: but then suicune ;-;
[21:54] T-snake: Oh yeah Suicune. Forgot about him. But yeah he'd just guard the Water Cube in Damp Plains. Nothing too intense
[21:54] T-snake: OH I'm sorry
[21:54] T-snake: Landorus doesn't stop Regice
[21:54] T-snake: Regice doesn't come until after the team has two cubes
[21:54] T-snake: SUICUNE stops Regice
[21:54] CammyCapre: oh okay
[21:54] T-snake: That's how it went
[21:55] CammyCapre: suicune <3
[21:55] CammyCapre: okay yeah that sounds good
[21:55] T-snake: Sorry I never actually WROTE this part of the story yet. The farthest I made was just before Regice
[21:55] CammyCapre: ah fair enough
[21:56] T-snake: On the way to the Isles however, Lugia attacks as they cross the ocean. Although Lugia knows that they need to stop Maxerus with the cubes, Lugia believes Maxerus is a petty threat and it isn't wise to trust the team with such a power as the Celestial Wand (originally Space Cubes)
[21:56] T-snake: Cool with that encounter?
[21:56] CammyCapre: yeah that's good
[21:57] T-snake: Next, Diancie
[21:57] T-snake: Diancie guards the Earth Cube in the Azul Mountains. She doesn't actually battle the heroes, but welcomes them and gives them the cube, commending them on their brave effort. AND helping them find out where the final cube is
[21:58] T-snake: Because, you know, because the progression is Air----> Ice ----> Earth ----> Fire ----> Water, and the team found the Ice first by chance, they could easily locate the dungeons with all the cubes EXCEPT Air
[21:59] T-snake: And that is how Lugia found them in the ocean, using his Air Cue
[21:59] T-snake: *Cube
[21:59] CammyCapre: brb again
[21:59] CammyCapre: but that sounds good
[21:59] T-snake: Okay shall I continue?
[21:59] T-snake: Okay I will list the next few
[21:59] CammyCapre: okay
[22:00] T-snake: So skip a couple days of more story development while Diancie and Voltier work hard to find where Lugia is hiding the final cube
[22:00] T-snake: It is narrowed to this cave in the ocean.
[22:00] T-snake: However, this is where we encounter the next legend...
[22:01] T-snake: Darkrai: If you played PMD 2, you can recall he was the main Antagonist. However, at the end, he was injured and lost his memory, forced to wander the world with no memory while Cresselia looked for him
[22:02] T-snake: That is all part of PMD 2's plot ^
[22:02] T-snake: In my fan-canon, since Maxerus was behind all of the issues in the previous tittles, Darkrai used to work for Maxerus until he lost his memory. Now, Cresselia guards Darkrai in that cave. After Darkrai tries to attack the heroes, Cresselia stops them and demands to know why they are here
[22:03] T-snake: They explain they are looking for the Air Cube. Turns out, wrong dungeon, they're actually looking for an underwater trench
[22:03] T-snake: During this, it comes up again that the hero was originally human
[22:03] T-snake: This sparks Darkrai's memory, and Darkrai becomes distraught and ashamed of what he once did...so he runs away...we will see him later
[22:04] T-snake: So there is Darkrai and Cresselia's role
[22:05] T-snake: Next we finally meet Lugia for a fight in his trench dungeon. Lugia nearly kills the heroes, but Voltier followed them just in case, helping them defeat Lugia and convince him that these cubes must be used to stop Maxerus
[22:06] T-snake: Up next, we have the Musketter Trio (originally Lake Trio, but now that Terrakion isn't guarding the Earth Cube, I JUST decided to use them over the lake trio). They are mini-bosses in the ruins, helping guard the wand. They fight the player, but aren't too hard to defeat
[22:07] T-snake: Next, Ho-oh. Ho-oh doesn't fight the heroes. He understands what must be done and apologizes for what he tried to do to Tristan's race. He helps craft the Celestial Wand and, when Maxerus' Lackeys attack, he fends them off while the heroes escape
[22:07] T-snake: (I will wait until you give me an okay for Diancie, Cresselia, Darkrai, The Musketeers, and Ho-oh)
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