Trump, red states, transhumanism

Monfd
Trump is greeting journalists with 'No collusion' instead of 'Hello'
Monfd
This fucking guy
Monfd
It's just amazing to watch our country tolerate him.
Monfd
What a pathetic country I live in
tsarbomba
he'll be saying it as he's frogmarched into the back of a waiting NYPD squad car the day after he leaves office in 2021.
Monfd
I cannot wait
tsarbomba
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/435263-trump-green-new-deal-is-the-most-preposterous-thing-and-easy-to-beat
Monfd
I'm looking at r/politics right now
arleigh
so what, holocaust is a lolocaust, biggest lie of modern history
tsarbomba
this fucking retard still thinks he's going to be running against AOC
Monfd
One thought I'm left with is 'Capitalism, unrestrained, is absolutely monstrous'.
tsarbomba
someone should read the constitution to him, if he can stay awake
tsarbomba
she's barely eligible to run in 2024. by less than a month.
Monfd
In his defense, AOC does become the next president after this cycle.
11:30 tsarbomba
i think we've got 8 years of president harris first
Monfd
2024 or 2028, depending on what happens in 2020-2024.
Monfd
I hope she doesn't win the primarry
Monfd
I'm not convinced Beto can maintain his vacuous sheen through the debates
Monfd
It's not obvious why you'd vote for Warren over Sanders
Monfd
Biden might blunder his way through
Monfd
So probably Sanders v. Harris
tsarbomba
now ask ian how what he claims to have been "reminded of" follows from anything you said, monfd
tsarbomba
assuming you haven't just ignored him like 75% of the channel has
tsarbomba
lol
Monfd
I ignored him a long, long time ago
tsarbomba
the MAGA desperation is so, so profound
Monfd
You do a good job of bloodying him up each day, though
Monfd
Kamala as president would be...fine
tsarbomba
they've managed to create these inception-type multi-tiered private fantasyworlds where 2018 never happened and trump isn't the most unpopular POTUS in history by maximum approval rating in first 2 years
Monfd
I really hope Americans don't miss an opportunity for revolution like we have, again, in 2020
Monfd
You vote for Sanders and you RADICALLY BEGIN TO ALTER THE COUNTRY
Monfd
You know, stopping foreign wars without Congressional support
tsarbomba
i think it's more a sliding scale. if we get harris to start with, AOC seems like a natural contender for the next non-incumbent cycle
tsarbomba
basically we're waiting out the boomers at this point
Monfd
Yes, if Sanders win in 2020, then AOC won't run without a deal between the two of them
Monfd
Which is pretty plausible
tsarbomba
which kinda sucks for my generation but hey, change is only quick when it comes from the barrel of a gun
tsarbomba
lol
Monfd
Americans are a psychologically beaten and weakened people
tsarbomba
right. after the $10 trillion bush added to the national debt for his twin wars of aggression, it takes a special kind of mental midget to assert that
tsarbomba
$6 trillion for a war based entirely on a LIE
tsarbomba
"buh buh buh WMDs!"
Monfd
Think if that money had gotten spent on Americans
Monfd
They would have been happier and more stable, making them unlikely to roll the dice on Trump
Monfd
The entire course of American history changes
tsarbomba
the problem is the states that voted for trump are almost all at the top of the list in terms of ratio of federal dollars consumed to federal dollars paid in
tsarbomba
they are GETTING the help they claim to need. they still don't care.
tsarbomba
this is just another iteration of the tea party's famous "get your government out of my medicaid" insanity
Monfd
That's an interesting point, but arguably they need even MORE help
Monfd
As I think you also find them near the bottom of the list in regards to quality of life
tsarbomba
sure, but doesn't that prompt the question most parents have to answer at some point here in the millennial age? e.g. "how much help do we give the kid before we just have to kick him out and make him find his own way?"
Monfd
tsarbomba: A large portion of the GOP is a cult lost to time, but there are margins you can convert by improving conditions
Monfd
That would have been enough to stop Trump
tsarbomba
i came from a poor family. i bootstrapped the SHIT out of my life. i'm not rich, but i am doing plenty ok for myself. i can't get behind the "taker" mindset of the red states.
tsarbomba
i think what could have stopped trump was better messaging to a tiny subset of the voters in michigan, ohio and pennsylvania
Monfd
tsarbomba: We'd have to make some very tough choices in order to kick them out
tsarbomba
all growing states with large urban centers
Monfd
Like, 'question the foundation of our entire political and cultural system' questions
tsarbomba
yeah. the problems definitely exceed the number of answers we have for them.
Monfd
tsarbomba: Well, there are many things that could have been enough to change the close election
Monfd
But if you spend the stolen Iraq dollars on Americans, you have to do fewer of them
Monfd
Which makes it more likely
tsarbomba
<ian> when they lose elections they try to run phoney 'investigations'
Monfd
Well, I'm a transhumanist in important ways. I think the falling behind of the 'Southern' cultures isn't likely to ever reverse
tsarbomba
https://archives-benghazi-republicans-oversight.house.gov/NewInfo
tsarbomba
the irony and lack of self-awareness is staggering
Monfd
Some portion of individuals will be able to transcend that culture, yes, as we currently share the same genetics
Monfd
But, the reason their culture is terrible is because it's closer to the psychological origins of our species, i.e. supremacy based off clan allegiance/race/skin color
tsarbomba
the south as an entity is transcending it faster than you think. as the rest of georgia, for instance, withers and dies on the vine, atlanta is growing faster than almost any other eastern city
Monfd
That can't compete with cultures that embrace modern notions that allow diverse people to work together with high education
tsarbomba
north carolina is purple and the research triangle is basically its biggest draw
Monfd
tsarbomba: Cities are belong to modernity, as you know
tsarbomba
< ian> "Gee, why isn't our smug elitism and smears of racism winning elections" <-- MAGA after november 2018
Monfd
We can think of Diamond's distributed republics in this context
tsarbomba
when did monfd say he lives in the north?
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tsarbomba
ian will, of course, dissemble on this one, too
Monfd
What has been happening arguably for a long time, but accelerating in the last few centuries, and which might become permanent in the 21st century with genetic engineering, is the splitting of humans into multiple subspecies/cognitive subspecies
Monfd
This won't be undone
Monfd
The advanced humans will eventually become entirely different lifeforms for which the non-enhanced humans become just another ape
Monfd
Which, again, reminds us why vegetarianism and veganism are to help keep that transition peaceful
tsarbomba
ian seems to be entirely incapable of discourse unless he's afforded the opportunity to proclaim "a democrat" anyone who doesn't share his insane opinions
tsarbomba
i believe this is knwon as the strawman fallacy
tsarbomba
meanwhile, it appears nobody who argues with him is actually a democrat.
Monfd
Eventually, non-enhanced humans will lose voting rights for at least some guidance questions for our governments
tsarbomba
not myself, not fieryusa, not abum, certainly none of the european leftists
Monfd
It will eventually be necessary to either hack the psychology of these non-enhanced humans, or use force to quarantine them from themselves
tsarbomba
usa_, you might like this: https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/1109155654512582656
Monfd
Or, we could allow them to live in free zones like non-humans where they can be themselves, but that would have to be monitored so they don't attack us
Monfd
Societies, to this point, haven't rationally chosen anything like the above except perhaps under very rare circumstances
tsarbomba
monfd, the nixon-era decision by the republican party to attack the very idea of education-for-all, and the 40+ year followthrough by the rest of the party, seems to be paying off.
Monfd
It will just happen, leaving in its wake multiple crises that get navigated to simulate if we had just chosen it rationally in the first place
Monfd
But at a much higher body count and much higher sufferring
tsarbomba
normally we'd expect a population to organically increase its ability as a group to think critically and engage higher-order intellectual issues
tsarbomba
but if you go after the root of a tree, that tree can't stand
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Monfd
I've been reading a lot about 19th century philosophy and you reminded me of that
Jeff-
Is this a conservative or a democrat socialist channel ?
Jeff-
or center?
Monfd
Specifically, it was claimed by several thinkers, I think Marx, Nietzsche, Lenin, and others that the people exist in a world where normative values exist and are not questioned
Jeff-
any conservatives ?
Jeff-
ian
Monfd
These people can live with happiness or passion. The leaders, especially in Marxism, understand all normative values are superstructure that they can't engage in. They work at the hidden-level where the 'real' causality is
Monfd
These are neo-Gnostic views, I remember now
Monfd
The leaders have the ability to manipulate the system/people because they are closer to real causality, but can't be driven by normative values as those are 'false'
Monfd
So you get corrupt, unhappy leaders guiding blissful masses
Monfd
Dostoevsky speaks of this in The Brothers Karamazov
Monfd
In Ivan's poem The Inquisitor where the inquisitor speaks to Jesus about the nature of Christianity.
Monfd
The big thinkers of the era saw that system collapsing, perhaps with the leader awareness spreading to the people en masse
Monfd
The point is that the GOP is a return to pre-19th century civilization
Jeff-
USA_ What do you think of the frightening turn to radical left the Democrats have taken? Socialsm, open borders, eliminate electeral college, illegals before citizens, abolish the 2nd amendment, censor conservative speech, etc... ?
Monfd
Jeff-: I put you on ignore for spreading disinformation.
Monfd
The spreading of disinformation, especially en masse, is a crime against humanity quite similar to releasing smallpox on populated centers.