rip yourself :(

[20:33] < JoJoeStinky> now I have to figure out some way to stamp things made with my tools so people can add their own licence stuff right to the maps bitmap so it is
                       visible in the mapview.
[20:35] < TheVetNoob> JoJoe, why do it matter so much? He's not claiming that he made the maps.
[20:36] < JoJoeStinky> yes he is. By not atributing the artists, in "His project" page.
[20:36] < JoJoeStinky> those screenshots are not his work at all.
[20:36] < JoJoeStinky> just the shitty rendering engine
[20:36] < TheVetNoob> Still, do you have to "file a DMCA takedown"?
[20:37] < BR> I don't see how it matters what map he used, tbh, he's showing off the rendering, not the map
[20:37] < JoJoeStinky> No, my lawer takes care of that. It is not an uncommon thing for me unfortunately.
[20:37] < UnrealIncident> honestly
[20:38] < TheVetNoob> You could have just PM'd him. "Hey, can you give me credit for the maps that I made? Thanks, JoJoe."
[20:38] < JoJoeStinky> BR the licence says he has to attribute it if he is using it.
[20:38] < Grandy> lol
[20:38] < BR> I get that part
[20:38] < UnrealIncident> you need to stop being such a whiny bitch
[20:38] < JoJoeStinky> I did stop. You guys brought it up. I am working on  a map right now.
[20:39] < JoJoeStinky> :p
[20:39] < UnrealIncident> you could of course send Yourself a message and ask for either attribution or to take it down
[20:39] < MKU> UnrealIncident just mad that he doesn't have content to steal.
[20:39] < JoJoeStinky> That is part of the notice thingamajig
[20:39] < UnrealIncident> using DMCA take downs is just being a cunt
[20:40] < UnrealIncident> and i honestly mean that
[20:40] < Lsin> MKU: guess what I saw at a store today.
[20:40] < JoJoeStinky> It is my work, and my time. DMCA is the easyest way for me to deal with theifs.
[20:40] < MKU> Hmm?
[20:40] < UnrealIncident> no
[20:40] <@danhezee> why not reach out to him first JoJoeStinky
[20:40] < UnrealIncident> die in a fucking fire
[20:40] < UnrealIncident> you are the sum of the Earth
[20:40] < Spring> JoJoeStinky: just ask him to give you credit
[20:40] < UnrealIncident> scum*
[20:40] < Spring> Yourself is a cool dude
[20:41] < Spring> I'm sure he'll give you credit
[20:41] < Spring> probably just left it out on accident
[20:41] < TheVetNoob> this could have been solved with a PM, honestly.
[20:41] < JoJoeStinky> I did, He is supposed to pay me for comercial work danhezee
[20:41] < Spring> there's no malicious intent there
[20:41] < TheVetNoob> oh jesus christ
[20:41] < JoJoeStinky> he is a fucking pirate.
[20:41] < Spring> just tell him to add credit
[20:41] < Spring> no you're crying about something nonsensical
[20:41] < Spring> he's a nice guy
[20:41] < Spring> just ask him to add your name
[20:41] < Spring> he will do it
[20:41] < JoJoeStinky> I did, read teh forum post.
[20:41] < Spring> problem solved
[20:41] <@danhezee> it isnt commerical yet though
[20:42] < JoJoeStinky> It does not matter, He is not attributing it, he is a theif.
[20:42] < Spring> JoJoeStinky you did it in literally the most abrasive and worst way possible
[20:42] < Spring> he is not trying to steal anything from you
[20:42] < Spring> he is not trying to pirate you
[20:42] < JoJoeStinky> he did  do it.
[20:42] < Juxta> gl Spring
[20:42]  * Juxta rns away
[20:42] < JoJoeStinky> We have an agreement that he is to pay me for using my work.
[20:43] < TheVetNoob> "I love the way your shadows look" -JoJoeStinky  <JoJoeStinky> just the shitty rendering engine           Why so hypocrite?
[20:43] <@danhezee> welp I am graciously bow out of this conversation
[20:43] < Spring> look
[20:43] < Spring> try being nice at first
[20:43] < Spring> don't call him a pirate
[20:43] < Spring> don't call him a thief
[20:43] < TheVetNoob> NO FUCK YOU SPRING
[20:43] < Spring> just ask him nicely
[20:43] < JoJoeStinky> I was nice at first, we where a team at first.
[20:43] < Lsin> MKU: a bunch of lawn mowers :3
[20:44] < Lsin> forgot to hit enter like, 3 minutes ago :/
[20:44] < Spring> oh my god
[20:44] < MKU> You're a dork. :P
[20:44] < Spring> alright I'm not even going to participate in this conversation
[20:44] < Lsin> Im serious. even took a picture and everything
[20:44] < Spring> have fun
[20:44] < Lsin> but it wouldnt upload :(
[20:44] < Grandy> Spring: too late
[20:44] < Spring> :(
[20:44] < MKU> I won't believe you until a picture is given.
[20:44] < Spring> *anymore
[20:44] < Spring> w/e Grandy
[20:44] < Spring> stop being noob
[20:44] < ReubenMcHawk> fuck owning things
[20:44] < Lsin> k hold on then
[20:44] < ReubenMcHawk> pirate everything
[20:44] < ReubenMcHawk> the internet is meant to be free
[20:45] <@danhezee> !rhp
[20:45] <@^_DeuceBot_^> Happening Now is as bleak as they come. But sometimes staring into humanity's heart of darkness is a healthy thing. #PraiseFOX
[20:45] < Juxta> !rhcp
[20:45] < EldredChandler> you would pirate a car ReubenMcHawk
[20:45] < EldredChandler> *wouldnt
[20:45] < EldredChandler> joke ruined
[20:45] < UnrealIncident> i would
[20:45] < JoJoeStinky> i would
[20:45] < BR> i would
[20:45]  * EldredChandler leaves
[20:45] < Juxta> o god EldredChandler
[20:45] < ReubenMcHawk> yes i would
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[20:45] < Juxta> You wouldn't steal a handbag
[20:45] < ReubenMcHawk> also yeah DMCA takedowns are for losers
[20:45] < Juxta> therefore you're above free entertainment
[20:45]  * JoJoeStinky 3d prints a toyota
[20:46] < ReubenMcHawk> i met amontons through issuing him a DMCA takedown lol
[20:46] < TheVetNoob> JoJoeStinky: I will be alerting Toyota to this criminal act. Prepare to have all your maps deleted, scum.
[20:46] < JoJoeStinky> !!
[20:46] < Juxta> DMCA incoming
[20:46] < JoJoeStinky> i will make aford too
[20:46] <@danhezee> I think what happened was he loaded a random map to show off the engine and the game itself has nothing to do with any map made for AoS
[20:47] <@danhezee> tech demo
[20:47] < TheVetNoob> No, no, no dan.
[20:47] < TheVetNoob> You must always assume the worst.
[20:47] < JoJoeStinky> yea, he just tossed them up there, without reading the licence. Really disrespectful to the artists.
[20:47] < UnrealIncident> JoJoeStinky: you're being a whiny bitch
[20:47] < UnrealIncident> seriously
[20:48] < Spring> (20:47:25) (JoJoeStinky) it is not uncommon danhezee, not really a big deal.
[20:48] < JoJoeStinky> Yeah, I hate authority too.
[20:48] < UnrealIncident> if it's not a big deal then stop being a cunt about it
[20:48] < Spring> >not really a big deal
[20:48] < Spring> meanwhile
[20:48] < Lsin> MKU:
[20:48] < JoJoeStinky> It is not. People are caught stealing every day.
[20:48] < Lsin> http://imgur.com/ptYELHC
[20:48] < Lsin> bam
[20:48] < Lsin> proof
[20:48] < Lsin> there were more
[20:48] < Lsin> but my phone wouldnt fit them all in
[20:49] <@danhezee> I know yourself a little bit I am sure after he learns you are upset he will give you credits where they are due
[20:49] < Spring> JoJoeStinky you need to stop assuming he has malicious intent and is doing this with the intent of stealing stuff from you
[20:49] < Spring> he is a very nice guy
[20:49] < Spring> it's much more likely that he made a mistake
[20:49] < UnrealIncident> it's not stealing
[20:49] < JoJoeStinky> Who said he was malicious, he might just need the money.
[20:49] < JoJoeStinky> ?^
[20:49] < UnrealIncident> wut...
[20:49] < UnrealIncident> do you even know... i just... whaaa....
[20:50] < JoJoeStinky> seriously, i am not that mad he ripped me off.
[20:50] < UnrealIncident> he won't be using your map in the final game
[20:50] < BR> JoJoeStinky: it's much more likely that he made a mistake than that he needed money
[20:50] < UnrealIncident> hell i don't even think he's chosen an engine yet
[20:50] < BR> that or he didn't know you'd feel disrespected
[20:50] < JoJoeStinky> i am going to make it public though so he and others that follow him do not make the same mistake.
[20:50] < Grandy> I am meant to reasearch every single map I've ever recorded ytube videos on and put the appropriate credits in the video description :S
[20:50] < Spring> JoJoeStinky you are taking this way too personally
[20:50] < JoJoeStinky> Jagex did the same shit with my artwork to sell to investors.
[20:50] < UnrealIncident> yup
[20:51] < UnrealIncident> Jagex should know better
[20:51] < BR> and jagex was obviously doing it for profit
[20:51] < UnrealIncident> and i'd sue them for that
[20:51] < Grandy> wait, I think I have recorded on one of your maps actually
[20:51] < Grandy> oh heck
[20:51] < JoJoeStinky> any developer knows better.
[20:51] < Spring> rip Grandy
[20:51] < Spring> file DMCA now JoJoeStinky
[20:51] <@danhezee> yourself got fucked by jagex too, you guys are brothers in arms
[20:51] < EldredChandler> guys pls
[20:51] < UnrealIncident> everyone here got fucked by Jagex
[20:52] < Spring> good point unreal
[20:52] < Spring> but srs you are not giving him a chance jojoe
[20:52] < JoJoeStinky> I put the licence
[20:52] < Spring> try handling the situation without ad hominem or jumping to any conclusions as to what his motive is
[20:52] < Spring> so that you don't look bad and so that he doesn't look bad
[20:53] < JoJoeStinky> He is using my work for his personal gain. If I did the same to him he would sue me in a second.
[20:54] < JoJoeStinky> The forum seems to be rock solid so far.
[20:54] < Spring> just be calm about the whole situation man
[20:54] < willy> jesus  christ can't you just ask him to rectify the issue himself and only take legal action if absolutely necessary?
[20:54] < willy> it's open and shut
[20:55] < Spring> don't jump to conclusions, don't go full ad hominem and call him a thief and a pirate
[20:55] < JoJoeStinky> If he changes his posts I will change mine.
[20:55] < Spring> just pm him (without calling him any names)
[20:55] < Spring> bringing up the issue in a mature and respectful manner
[20:55] < Spring> and he'll have no reason not to listen to you
[20:55] < JoJoeStinky> Spring the CC licence calls him that.
[20:55] < Grandy> where be the posts :s
[20:56] < JoJoeStinky> well, i have had assholes in the past not go along with my rights, so my first volly is usually a good one.
[20:57] < UnrealIncident> JoJoeStinky: if you used his engine to show of your map he'd be like whatever
[20:58] < JoJoeStinky> i would credit him too. look at all of my forum posts. I am ususally giving credits before showing my own work.
[20:58] < UnrealIncident> i doubt Triplefox is going to sue him for using Mesa
[20:58] < JoJoeStinky> If the licence forbid it , I would not use it without his permission.
[20:58] < UnrealIncident> also did you ever think he might not know who made the map?
[20:58] < willy> So there's absoultely no possibility that he's simply, non-maliciously overlooked the CC licence, and merely used the map as an example through his knowledge that  aos/bns has always been a place where free usage and discussion has been encouraged
[20:58] < JoJoeStinky> Has to do more with respect than anything.
[20:59] < TheVetNoob> You're showing a lot of respect by name-calling.
[20:59] < JoJoeStinky> Programmers do it all the time. They think artwork is like a public restroom.
[21:00] < willy> I seriously, seriously doubt he's used your map to spite you in any way whatsoever
[21:00] < willy> you're over-reacting beyond the point of reason
[21:00] < BR> maybe I shouldn't link this but http://i.imgur.com/R7j9d7g.png
[21:00] < UnrealIncident> i agree
[21:00] < JoJoeStinky> He used it for his own personel gain.
[21:00] < UnrealIncident> you are being a retard
[21:01] < JoJoeStinky> iceball is open and free.
[21:01] < JoJoeStinky> I am just the victim.
[21:01] < UnrealIncident> no
[21:01] < UnrealIncident> you are being an asshole
[21:01] < ReubenMcHawk> calling yourself a victim is usually a sign that you're not
[21:01] < UnrealIncident> Yourself is the victim
[21:01] < Grandy> can someone please link to the source of this
[21:01] < ReubenMcHawk> erm, by "yourself" i'm not referring to the person
[21:01] < EldredChandler> Grandy: the Blockspell section in Noteworthy Picks
[21:01] < willy> "I just have a persecution complex"**
[21:01] < JoJoeStinky> I saw what you did there ReubenMcHawk lol
[21:01] < UnrealIncident> Grandy: http://buildandshoot.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=6847#p73704
[21:03] < UnrealIncident> Grandy: this screenshot http://i.imgur.com/5RxnXfD.png
[21:03] < ReubenMcHawk> grounds for a lolsuit
[21:04] < Grandy> oh I see it
[21:04] < JoJoeStinky> Here is where he takes credit for it:
[21:04] < JoJoeStinky> WIP screenshots/videos of a project I'm working on: Blockspell
[21:04] < JoJoeStinky> http://www.volumesoffun.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=484
[21:04] < UnrealIncident> he never says the maps are his
[21:04] < JoJoeStinky> he is implying it is his project.
[21:05] < Spring> needs more "don't sue people" panda
[21:05] < BR> it is his project
[21:05] < Grandy> he makes no claim to those maps
[21:05] < Grandy> and those are ]really] early screenshots
[21:05] < Grandy> they are not marketing material
[21:05] < JoJoeStinky> Screenshots of my map
[21:05] < JoJoeStinky> not his map
[21:05] < Grandy> so ****ing what
[21:06] < Grandy> I have made videos on one of your maps, people have monetised YTube videos on your maps, going to sue them too?
[21:06] <@StackOverflow> imho, JoJoeStinky, I can understand where you're coming from. But Yourself is very understanding person and would easily attribute credit where it is due if you asked him to, rather than creating a public specticle out of it
[21:06] < JoJoeStinky> he is claiming credit for them you silly person. lol
[21:06] <@StackOverflow> I think you're taking it a bit more personal than you need to
[21:06] < Grandy> he damn well isn't
[21:06] < Grandy> he's saying that "this is my rendering engine in an early state, here's some examples"
[21:06] < JoJoeStinky> StackOverflow i am because we had an agreement about my work with him.
[21:06] <@StackOverflow> also, I'm pretty sure yourself isn't using the vxl format anymore
[21:07] <@StackOverflow> that was an early implementation of his renderer
[21:07] < willy> pull your head out of your own ass good lord
[21:07] < JoJoeStinky> dont call me Lord :p
[21:07] <@StackOverflow> if you guys made an agreement, which I'd presume would've been done privately, why not discuss this with him privately?
[21:08] < Grandy> I just don't understand your thought pattern.. at all
[21:08] < JoJoeStinky> I sent him an email already.
[21:08] < Grandy> he is not attempting to take credit
[21:08] < willy> for what you'll 'gain' by a lawsuit, is it worth the contempt and hostility you're going to garner here?
[21:08] <@StackOverflow> also
[21:08] <@StackOverflow> [20:59] <JoJoeStinky> Programmers do it all the time. They think artwork is like a public restroom
[21:08] <@StackOverflow> that's a bit of a generalization
[21:09] < JoJoeStinky> Grandy I know he is not attempting, he IS taking credit.
[21:09] < JoJoeStinky> Yeah, sorry man.
[21:09] < EldredChandler> This is going nowhere guys pls
[21:09] < JoJoeStinky> like saying all artists are gay.
[21:09] < BR> he isn't taking credit at all
[21:09] < TheVetNoob> Where does he take credit?
[21:09] < JoJoeStinky> WIP screenshots/videos of a project I'm working on: Blockspell
[21:09] < Spring> so guys
[21:10] < JoJoeStinky> http://www.volumesoffun.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=484
[21:10] < Grandy> the project is not the damn map
[21:10] < Spring> JoJoeStinky, he didn't say the maps were his
[21:10] <@StackOverflow> how long ago did you send him an email?
[21:10] < Spring> he's saying the game is his
[21:10] < Spring> which it is
[21:10] < Spring> the videos don't have to be his
[21:10] < Spring> the screenshots don't have to be his
[21:10] < Grandy> this is retarded, sorry
[21:10] < Spring> he doesn't claim either
[21:10] < JoJoeStinky> 2 days? he just left here when I saw that.
[21:10] < Spring> the project is blockspell
[21:10] < Spring> he doesn't claim ANYTHING ELSE
[21:10] < Spring> besides blockspell
[21:10] < Grandy> it isn't marketing, it isn't laying claim to the maps, it's nothing
[21:11] < JoJoeStinky> he claims the content of the videos are his project which they are not.
[21:11] < TheVetNoob> you're being a massive twat here
[21:11] <@StackOverflow> you should've waited a bit longer for him to properly respond