Part 2: Cosmology, Economy/Commerce of Merit

Part 2: These are secretly meditations to help one assess their beliefs and deal with various Islamic concepts and interpretations as well, but in a playful and lighthearted manner:

Ok, so I was thinking some jumbly thoughts for fun and thought of making a little article here called Strange Math: The Divisiveness of Opinions or something. It was about multiple things, multi-layered, weirdness, so here it goes:

Ok, so I was thinking how opinions, from practically anyone, can be immediately divisive or disturbing for people, like even if some ugly person says "I don't like how you look" or if rating people rates you low or less personally has any sort of disagreement finding something you find totally great to be ugly supposedly, it still bothers a person, especially if its something divisive.

So I was then thinking about certain things almost like a chart or graph, some kind of weird math, and the divisions in my opinions of people and beliefs and beliefs regarding their future or sort of "rating" them. So please don't mind and correct me if necessary but I'll use the usernames of 4 members who are on my mind, but mainly two who have a lot of strength so should not get offended by this or their names being used to represent certain ideas, even if they are inaccurate to them.

So what I was thinking was, who here is closest to paradise in my opinion and why?

So the answer for me was Isa both based on practice as well as temporally.

So the math or probability was like this: muhammed-isa has been a Muslim for many years now, and is also the most elderly member that I am aware of on here. So they are literally in my view the closest to heaven or paradise, both due to their years of practicing Islam and their being later on in their years or life expectancy, which shouldn't disturb them too much because the Qur'an says that they will simply feel like they just took a nap and they will be skipped and wake up right at the beginning of judgment day and no fear will be upon them if they were good and they will also be aware of what is going on as it was foretold and will be thrilled to see it was all true, the promise was or is coming true!

Opposite on the chart is pegged Herminator. I personally like and enjoy Herminator a lot and he has been nice to me, but on this chart Herminator is on the opposite end, and here is the interesting part for me, they are on the other furthest end because they too are far along in their years but are atheists or non religious. That means there is a lower chance for them to gain "good points" and also less likelihood or possibility for them to change or believe.

Now smack dab in the middle is me, even in age, as I am roughly half their age, and my beliefs are tagging the line between both of their beliefs and practices.

This brings me to another tangent, where I was thinking about honestly how little difference there is between me and an atheist, as well as how much.

For example, I don't believe in anything at all practically like vampires, werewolves, aliens, demons, fallen angels, bodily demi-gods, none of it. Even my God is nothing like the anthropomorphic God that some people seem to think others believe in, but is almost synonymous with "whats happening, the way things are".

So then I thought about two other dimensions to the chart, with people probably near to my age somewhat but who are different than me in their beliefs, namely Satyros who represents in this chart the Hard Polytheism and February-January or "FebJan" if that is acceptable, who represents a psychologized spiritualism which is more atheistic than the hard polytheism of Satyros, even though both may tag the line with a few things as we three fluctuate around the core or center. I'm right in the middle of their dimensions as well too though, as I don't fully believe the psychologized version or the hard polytheism either, and at the top of the chart is the monotheism or theism of muhammed-isa and the atheism or non-theism of Herminator. Like a + with me smack dab in the middle. I happen to imagine Satyros on the left side and FebJan on the right side, which looking out would switch which sides they are, with Satyros on my right hand (holding my hand?) and FebJan arm in arm on my left, and me looking up to muhammed-isa and down to Herminator under my feet and, "closest to hell" by Islamic standards, due to their beliefs and practices as well as temporally due to their age or nearness to the end of their natural term of human life expectancy. This should not be threatening or offensive because Herminator does not believe in or fear Hell, but likely expects to not wake up after their sensory input stops coming in.

The two up nearer to my central position both have different ideas about the afterlife, but still have some ideas or feelings about it rather than the two extreme positions of muhammed-isa and Herminator.

One weird thing though about my position on the chart though is that I don't believe in the literal versions or the psychologized versions of those things, but maybe only the philosophical or literary versions, so that might be the middle position for those.

Ok, so the reason I wrote this out, was to show how people might secretly, even unconsciously, categorize people and chart them without even realizing it, and also that the thought fascinates me how muhammed-isa is so close to paradise in my view or beliefs.

Here is another weird thing about what I was thinking. I was thinking of other factors which might move people on my chart or closer to heaven or closer to hell.

One of the "free pass" type point boosters was "mental illness" or "severe debilitating disability", which I realize now also places people closer to death as well, so temporally closer to the afterlife experience.

That puts FebJan interestingly a few points closer to Paradise than Satyros potentially just based on the hardships and difficulties and issues.

Now, I used these 4 characters because I think they might be ok representing those positions just for fun, even if this is not accurate, and are also thick skinned and intelligent so won't be offended by any of these silly thoughts I had.

I don't know much about other users yet, but I tried to chart thdm on these + four bars with me in the center based on what little I know so far.

Two interesting users who I hope they don't mind my mentioning them, are Brother Gerald and Yefet. In deciding wher they may end up on the chart, Brother Gerald is placed in a quadrant in between muhammed-isa and Satyros, so from our view in the upper left corner above Satyros but below muhammed-isa. I have not read carefully enough regarding Yefet's beliefs but they may be on the psychologizing side somewhat so would be placed on the right side under muhammed-isa and above FebJan.

Then there is lMtM or whatever, I'm probably getting the name wrong, they have been pretty cryptic for me so far so they get placed in a quadrant on the lower right side so under FebJan and above Herminator in between those two.

I think antonia goes into the quadrant under Satyros and above Herminator on the left side in between those two.

So now I have filled, like a Buddhist Mandala, 5 positions and 9 positions total.

Now, here is something magical and beautiful, lets see what each of those positions corresponds to.

Center - me RelicWordShip

North - muhammed-isa
West - Satyros
East - February-January
South - Herminator

North-West - Brother Gerald
South-West - antonia
South-East - lMtM
North-East - Yefet

At the top of the chart is Paradise or Heaven, slightly under it is The Kingdom of Heaven on the West and "The World to Come" on the Right, under the Kingdom of Heaven is Asgard type stuff, and on the opposite end of that the Hades type Underworld or Psychologized Life Continuation, and below Asgard, Valhalla and Olympos and Elysium and all that is our world, with real reincarnation and psychologized reincarnation, and then at the bottom is Non-Existence or Annhilation or a Fiery Hell of Punishment from the perspective of muhammed-isa looking down.

In the exact center is The Moment, reality as it appears to be.

So those are the realms somewhat and each of the places the people residing in those quadrants expect to go or are expected to go if they do very well.

(Please see the copy pasted Key from various websites for further correspondences)

So, what is interesting about this to me are some correspondences based on the positions on the chart or mandala.

Some of the other factors that raise one's chances to attain the Paradise that muhammed-isa is ranked closest to, is youth, meaning the younger you are the closer you are to it automatically, but the older you get depending on your religious activities keeps you closer or puts you further away.

So since muhammed-isa was quite young when he was "chosen", he was able not to lose his status or grow distant in the other direction, having stunted his direction at around the age of 20.

Meanwhile, Herminator continued to accumulate whatever, never slowing his direction as he aged closer to the Islamic version of Hell basically.

I'm terrified of death, and my beliefs are completely central, in between all the directions because I am neither a polytheist or atheist or a psychologizer or an anthropomorphist.

My God is in the image of Nothing, like an Atheist, but is not Nothing, like an atheist. I use all sorts of terms present in polytheistic religions which I attribute to what I deem real without anthropomorphizing them or taking them as bodily, literal, separated, and without saying they are not quite real and not saying they are psychological or metaphorical only but referring to real things and being used by me in relation to what is real.

On the map of religions, the various positions correspond to the various religions, and the further they get away from the center the more extreme they become as opposite to whatever other side.

For example, at the very top of the vertical line is the Qur'an and Islam based on it. At the very bottom of the vertical line is Atheismm, No Book, No God(s). On the furthest on on West is Hard Polytheism Extreme Literalist Bodily Anthropomorphism. It shifts upwards if it gets more Christian and closer to Islam, it shifts downwards if it goes more towards antonia or Jainism and worldly polytheism and naturalism.

The Western side is still a spiritual side, the eastern side is the psychologizing side. In the South-Eastern quadrant with lMtM is Western Secular Humanist Buddhism and Psychologized Buddhism. If you imagine an X then the opposite side in the North-West is Pureland Buddhism and Christianity type salvic religions.

In the North-East corner is Judaism with a psychologizing tendency, and going on the X sliding to South-West is like Canaanite stuff or Hellenistic Jewish Literalism or Enochian type stuff too, which funnily enough, seemed to mostly believe in a kind of Hades or Sheol or Literal Underworld of Shades, so that would probably be the extreme South-West, and the extreme South-East going way up high in the top corner would start resembling an Islamic World To Come increasingly.

Can you almost envision how this chart works?

So the temporal category might make this chart a little harder to understand, but basically here is something that can give some clues or help out:

A baby is at Maximum Innocence and Good Kredit (Karma Credit), so they go straight to the Islamic Paradise and there is nothing much in their record to judge them regarding.

An old person is at maximum closeness to death and thus closest to concluding their record, generating Kredit, and receiving the calculation and recompense. Paradise is at the very top center, it is a New World, but a Heavenly One, on the Western side at the top extreme is the Christian Heaven and on the Eastern side the Jewish World To Come, and the Muslim Paradise is like a mixture of these, in the center, so both fantastic and surreal and real and literal with manifest psychological things too.

At the extreme center bottom is Hell, extreme suffering, or non-existence, on the Eastern side of it is Western Secular Buddhist Psychological Nibbana or Elimination of Self and No Return and the psychological versions of Naraka, and on the Western side of it is Literalist Naraka, and Hades, Hel, Tartarus and all that.

Up higher but under the center bar is literalist reincarnation on the West and Psychological non-literal reincarnation on the East under the central bar nearer to the center.

Now, by following the Muslim practices and aging while practicing those, one climbs up to where muhammed-isa is from where I am. If you do the Brother Gerard thing you also climb up but towards the West, also if you do the Japanese Pureland stuff you start heading West and up, and they even call it the Western Land. If you follow the Jewish path seriously you still go up and East. Notice how a line like that takes a little longer though to hit the top or corner because of the angle. Notice likewise how literalism or Buddhism slows the descent towards the opposite, whereas the central "Nothing" path is more direct and straight down with no slowing of the descent with age.

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I think in Islam or based on what I've read in the Qur'an, the "deeds of the disbelievers" are anulled and in vain. There are 3 realms, which most people don't notice but the Qur'an has a type of middle place or purgatory where people who were neither good enough nor bad enough are placed and waiting to enter paradise or hoping to and asking to not be thrown in hell. Hell is entered through a massive rift in the New Earth, the New Earth is like this Earth but many times larger.

Paradise covers the surface mainly or a great part of it, hell is on the inside or under through the rift since its the valley or rift of bitter screaming or whatever GeiHinnom or Jahannam in the Arabic version.

All the places are as real as the Earth or reality we see now. The Qur'an gloats "Is this now magic?" to the disbelievers who used to say it is a fable or fairy tale.

The disbelievers have two ways of ressurecting, one of them is blind and unable to see, another way is just like everyone else but in a state of fear and anxiety.

There is a lot of disturbing (and funny) stuff in the Qur'an in these descriptions and scenes, it far outweighs the other scriptures in entertainment value for me.

The only people who might make it are "Those who believed in God and did good deeds"

That is why Brother Gerald and Yefet are up there on the chart with muhammed-isa as potential paradise candidates by the Qur'an's standards.

Brother Gerald even boosts his "Kredit" meter by not taking Jesus to be God incarnate.

The Kredit meter is boosted by being young, being mentally ill or disabled (or "mentally retarded" especially which is like ongoing innocence).

The Kredit meter is boosted or unlocked more by "Believing in One Supreme God, the Ressurection, the Judgment, Paradise and Hell, the angels, the Prophet(s), the Qur'an, the five pillars, doing good deeds like helping the poor the needy etc".

The Kredit meter is what Buddhist and Christian ascetics were trying to manipulate by ascetism, but according to Islam they can't cheat the system by purposefully harming themselves or making themselves beggars and poor and dependent on purpose, and that God is not fooled, "tsk, tsk, tsk" lol.

Instead, a person who makes money and uses their resources towards goodness, uses their time towards goodness how they are able and capable, wins a lot of Kredit.

The God, Allah, is little different from Vairocana, Odin, Indra, and sits in the Judgment position of monitoring and computing Kredit and Kredit scores, but its not all left to the afterlife.

Kredit has other benefits in this life, like a tinge of luck and magic it may increase with people, but like the Buddhists said, this is like spending or burning a little Kredit.

So this means that, if you were kind to a cat, someone might give you something free later or maybe you can have a bunch of sex without getting an std for a while, but these things also will be burning your luck and giving you punishment points.

The way to get rid of bad Punishment points, deeds that make you worthy of revenge in this life and the next, are by fighting them off with good Kredit gaining deeds, and also by sincerely repenting and amending.

A person with perfect Kredit and high accumulated Kredit is not necessarily not going to be "tested" or suffer. The God is the source of Evil, and like Odin puts people in conflict and like Vairocana brings about and manifests through these stories "the truth or reality of what you really are", "made to be" as Allah of the Qur'an might state it. That means Allah is making the different toys and their characters and playing them out but on our level its just us struggling and fighting, on tge higher level its God making the whole show in every detail of whose the knight and whose the villain and who slays who and how and when and all that conflict, that is why Tezcatlipoca's epithet is Enemy of Both Sides, He who controls our lives. Allah didn't need to do any of this, but we are merely victims of the desires of The Only Actual Power there is and whatever it produces as experiences, like the experience of me typing this on my phone right now, which the "Encompassing All Vision but No Vision Encompasses Him" Avalokiteshvara, Zeus Panoptes, Indra of the Infinite Views and "Eyes" and all senses sees through "You have a recorder (ears) on your left and your right, and did you think you could hide from your own eyes?" says the Qur'an when gloating about how we are equipped with spying devices ourselves, spying on ourselves and our experience screen and feelings like a flat layer in open view of God who is accessing the information directly as the Master generates it.

Isn't that just wacky and sci-fi?

So the people headed to a hell of punishment are apparently not only the ones who did evil, but who didn't do much good, their scales that weigh their wealth of good and evil credits puts them in a terrible deficit of Kredit so that they are not allowed to get where muhammed-isa is at. They can go into deficit even without doing much bad, just by aging and not doing much and promoting ideas against God or "shirk" the "sharing" that is suggested by the polytheists but also by those who say "there are many or other powers too".

Shirk and Shirk promotion gets people to earn Punishment Points, and as their PP gets bigger and bigger, they sink closer and deeper towards and into Hell.

Its likely in this way that according to the Qur'an that Satyros has a bigger and heavier PP or PPP (Punishment Points Package) than FebJan who has certain Kredit booster advantages and beliefs which are a little bit better than straight up simple and good old fashion Shirk.

So you can actually be ok somewhat by exchanging the word God for True Devil, it makes little difference in this system what you call God so long as the definition, model, and attributes are the same practically.

The Highest or Maximum theological position is ironically the Hypsistos one that I present, that There is Only Truly God who is the Only Power Generating and Responsible for Every Nuance of Experience, there is nothing else really living or independent ir separated or a power and God is like Nothing in the image of Nothing and can wipe away all experience and information and needs none of it, we come from the Unconditioned and God is free and without needs.

That creed gives a tremendous amount if Kredit.

The next position under it is " God is like described above BUT gives us real choices and we can really choose" which is a tiny amount if Shirk involved since then it is saying basically that "God doesn't choose or runs after creating bases on what we decide so if we decide to walk here then God follows after and generates our experiences of what we see" like a Dungeon Master in Dungeons and Dragons. That amount of Shirk is very common and because they do it in ignorance and with good intentions to say God is not unjust and God is not held responsible but people are solely responsible, and because they don't realize they are lying and saying that the people are little Gods and that "it can go this way or it can go that way and Chance decides and God looks to Chance or doesn't do it or makes it happen but God creates what you make God create by your choices like a slave" they might be forgiven based on their good deeds.

The next position below that is that God is like that but anthropomorphic in some way so limited to some visible structure or real form.

The next position under that is Henotheistic, where God is in the company of other powers and lesser powers.

The next position under that is Polytheism from Polytheism with a King of Gods going down to Polytheism with a variety of equal conflicting powers at the lower end.

Under this position, Gods and Spirits start widdling off again into One Distant and Totally Uninvolved God or Spirit that doesn't communicate. Then it becomes called other things like Nature or the Universe.

The bottom position is No God, but it doesn't end there, since there are variants and the "There is No God" is a partial Shahadah and clears the mind of Polytheism or Shirk sometimes. The absolute lowest form though is "There is no God and nature is separated and operating automatically and bouncing in uncoordinated conflict" whereas as one gets higher up Nature or Reality or even Chaos or Luck or Chance might be code words for God.

Can you envision this strange graph and its plotting?

Its very cool, I enjoy its design!

N.
NW. NE.
E. C. W.
SW. SE.
S.

So many interesting things can be applied to these 9 positions.
Eternal Living
Heaven / Sukhavati Paradise The World to Come
N. muhammed-isa (Allah)
Future
NW.Brother Gerald (Jesus) NE.Yefet (Maimonedes)
Olympus Meru The Sky & Space The Heights of Mind
E. Satyros (Thor)C. RelicWordShip (Odin) W.FebJan (Loki)
Elysium The Earth & Waters The Depths of Mind
SW. antonia (Hesiod Pythagoras) SE. lMtM (Buddha)
Repeat History Stasis / Stillness
S. Herminator
Hades Hell Annhilation
Eternal Ending or Deaths

I hope the formatting turns out!



No it didn't!!!
This link is to a picture with the formatting I intended:
https://m.imgur.com/zdTTi5G?r

Also, here is a song, please let me know which of you like it or dislike it and why!

https://youtu.be/BogeISrSPDQ

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Another interesting thing that can be thrown in is if you look at the original formatting image, the center can be consider "The Person" to the West can be considered "The Bodily or Physical" and to the East "The Metaphysical, The Mind, The Psychological".

So above the three names in the center line can be put Physical Pleasure above Satyros, Happiness and Laughter above me or Humor which is a mixture, and above FebJan one can put Mental Pleasure, and under Satyros can be placed Physical Displeasure or Pain, under me Sadness or Crying and Negative Emotion and reaction, and under FebJan Mental Distress.

So one kind of gets the jist of the different directions and mind states somewhat and the various bars.

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I I I
I I I
I I I

0.Top (Eternal Pleasureful Life & Living) (Ongoing Singular)
1. Most Northern Center (Eternal Paradise Jannah)
2. Most Northern West (Sukhavati Bliss Heaven)
3. Most Northern East (The World to Come)
4. Upper North (Future)
5. Upper North-West (Hope & Faith)
6. Upper North-East (Policy & Real Good Work For The Future)
7. True North (The Elderly Good Muslim or Innocent Baby)
8. True North-West (The Elderly Good Christian or Purelander)
9. True North-East (The Elderly Good Jew or Zen Buddhist)
11. Upper West (Olympos, Sumeru, Asgard)
12. Upper Center (The Sky, Planets, Outer Space, Realities)
13. Upper East (The Platonic Realms, Higher Spheres, Jnanas)
14. True West (The Hard Polytheist Literalist)
X 15. True X Center X (Matrix Flips) (The Religious Person)
16. True East (The Psycho-Spiritual Mystic Occultist)
17. Lower East (The Mind's Depths, Shadow, Sitra Achra)
18. Lower Center (The Earth & Waters & Colonies & Purgatory)
19. Lower West (Reincarnation Depot, Elysium in Hades)
20. True South-East (The Non-Theistic Psychologial Buddhist)
21. True South-West (The Literal Spiritualist Reincarnationist)
22. True South (The Non-Believer, Atheistic Scientist)
23. Lower South-East (Stasis, Stillness, Void)
24. Lower South-West (Repeating, Loop)
25. Lower South (History, The Past, The Results)
26. Most Southern East (Psychological Eliminations, Nihil)
27. Most Southern West (Literal Physical Tartarus Underworld)
28. Most Southern Center (Jahannam, Muslim Hell)
0.Bottom (Endless Deaths & Dying) (Ongoing Multiple Infinite)

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Excellent questions. The Qur'an does seem to say that such people's deeds are "in vain" meaning made worthless and naught if they denied God or spread Shirk, but that the calculation is up to God anyway. It is possible that some of the outstandingly good workers might make it to "The Heights" an area not quite hell or paradise but in between, so placed higher than the cavernous depths of the hell world inside the New Earth but lower than the surface world of Paradise inhabited by the good workers who believed in God with Faith and Good Works. The "Good Works" type go on the Eastern Quadrant with the Law Abiding Jews, and the "Great Faith" types go on the Christian and Theistic Pureland Quadrant to the West, and the uppermost are the combined ones, the Muslim types who can belong to any religions but will generally be "chosen" or inspired and led to Islam by whispers and experiences generated or which the people are made to live through and act upon which make them a worshipful practicing 5 times a day worship type Muslim like muhammed-isa. All the proto-muslims or generally "surrendered" worshippers of the One God are given Kredit for their good deeds.

I know it looks like a lot of crapola to read, but my silly map graph is not actually so far off from encompassing numerous perspectives and belief systems, as well as Quran based suggestions and implications as well.

The big Hindu-Buddhist correspondences section can be skipped or skimmed through.

Kredits and Punishment Points (PP) are altered by certain filters, or whatever they are called in games, you know those things which adjust or alter how points go through or are collected. What are they called again?

So certain point adjustor things are like mental retardation, debilitating diseases, also age. A baby or unborn child is at the maximum innocence level so if killed or dies gets a free pass and ticket to paradise.

The severe mental retardation thing gets a person a "lasting innocence" modifier (is modifier the term I was looking for?) and is almost like a cheat code, except it really must suck and is probably not worth it, plus we don't get to choose any of it, God is the real "Player" and selects everything and imposes it all, even if its something we are made to do with our own hands and see ourselves doing, good or bad.

If we do evil and can't seem to stop, it is considered God's curse and that we were "made for hell" and are manifesting what we are and are meant to be, an evildoer. Its a terrible fate.

The one who does good or redeems themselves is considered "Blessed and Chosen" and then is "made to" do good things "Allah wills, You can not will it". So, a good person like me or muhammed-isa have by no real credit to ourselves been "chosen" as the lucky people who are made to do good rather than evil by the Grace of God (the same Grace the Protestants speak of and the same lack of will except if God wills them to will it as exists in Calvinism).

Now what a person should try to do if they think they can is beg God to do good be good receive all good and attain to muhammed-isa's Paradise and ask for it. The truth is, the person who is not supposed to or "made to" will never do it, and even if they are made to ask for such, they won't be made to perform the actions and will still be without the good results, but mor than likely they will die in a state of error and faithlessness.

As one ages, Potential decreases, so the probability and potential gate tightens and closes as a person sullies themselves increasingly with Karma and PP (Punishment Points) and their Kredit or Merit Accumulation Store or Bank is exhausted and near empty or even in deficit.

I reccomend reading the major scriptures, and if one reads the Qur'an very carefully it basically describes both directly and through implication a kind of spiritual economic system like this looney stuff I'm writing here. It is a system that was actually not dissimilar to the ideas of other people, spanning from Meso-America and Egypt, even Greece, through India, to China, and Japan, and among the Buddhists, Hindus, Zoroastrians, you name it.

The idea was simply that Ther is God, God sends good and bad, we accumulate through life and performance and how we deal with the things sent upon us merit or punishment points, these give us boosters, there are modifiers, we are transformed also and can unlock cool miracles sometimes and magical stuff happening, and then we have a limited term, at the end of the session we sleep and all input ceases which skips us to the Judgment or waking up.

We wake up in a blank plain that is all flat like still water or glass with no hills or mountains so looks even more surreal and video-game like but is real and feels entirely real like how we feel now while awake and nothing like a dream, plus things are even sharper and clearer than ever because the physical atmosphere is totally purified as well rather than the same sort of distance fog from particles and winds and all that so its eerie.

Anyway, a bunch happens and each of us is judged and also our recording devices, our own bodies and senses are made to spew against our control to stop them from revealing everything to us too.

Then we are sorted and ushered along by a terrifying race of beings with multiple "hands". Meanwhile the Muslims are all happy and dazed because they have been practically lobotomized but everyone else is terrified, and by Muslims I am including all those who believed and worshipped God and did good deeds, the fear faculty is disabled so they aren't even allowed to feel any concern or distress, that is why I said practically lobotomized, but the other people are terrified by these giant multi armed or tentacled creatures and being pushed around like slaves.

The total control of this alien race is tremendous, and they control the people by their frontal lobe according to the Qur'an, which controls their voluntary movements and actions, so that they are literally driven and made to move as they look on in terror at their lack of bodily voluntary control.

This might in some ways be even more frightening for those with occipital lobe disability, vision switched of, as either a blessing or extra punishment, generally considered a kind of punishment.

This Race runs freely through time, like the Sarvastavadin Buddhists said, they work as agents like the Kree in Marvel Comics doing the will of the Supreme Intelligence, a miraculous power or chaotic intelligence which they believe created them and freely manipulates reality and beings and generates experiences.

They have been sent through all time freely on Dharmam tasks and other missions, but may only exist within this Reality or section of realities, and there may be other experiences which are different and don't include these Daimones now called Angels (the heralds and messengers through various mediums and realms who act as agents for their futuristic world conquering religion).

Haha, see? Look how much fun religion can be!

" The inscription, in its entirety, reads:
“Self-born, untaught, born without a mother,
undisturbable,
Unable to be named, many-named, dwelling in fire,
That is God: we are a small part of God, his angels.”
This, then, to those who asked about God’s nature
The god replied, calling him all-seeing Aether: look to him
And pray at dawn, looking to the east.
The same three lines of verse were recorded by Lactantius, who claimed
they were the beginning of a 21-line oracle delivered by Clarian Apollo "

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Oh yeah, for all we know, you and I could end up in Hell or some other existence God generates, we can never feel safe or certain, even Ibrahim in the Qur'an kept on praying for his forgiveness and to be saved and no one was ever sure, and Isa supposed to say (at the event):

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Shouldst Thou torment them, then verily they are Thine creatures/slaves; and shouldst Thou forgive them, then verily Thou art the Mighty, the Wise.

The Qur'an definitely says that Anyone at all who believes in God and does good works will receive their reward from Allah. This is their hope and in this hope and suggestion they may be misled or deceived, because there is no real hold or promise we can extract from Chaos itself, so we are left only hoping that it is true what it says.

The people on my chart who are headed up as examples are all "those who believe in God" and the Judgment and do good deeds and hope in their good results or recompense.

On the left side or West are the ones more heavily into faith, on the right or East is more about tradition and practices, and in between at the top are the mixture ones who are about faith and hope mixed with action and practice and tradition.

The Qur'an seems to imply inclusion even beyond the "Abrahamic" big three, but inclusive of the Philosophers, the Zoroastrians, Sabaens, Buddhists, Hindus, basically qualifying everyone so long as they tend to believe and practice a few things which are very vague and really covered by the ancient people throughout the world at various times, like indivuals here and there.

So the Qur'an suggests that even among Aztecs there could have been a "Muslim" which is simply one who "Finds Peace in The Surrender to God as The Only Power and Reality (Al-Haqq)" which the Aztecs understood as Teotl. So among them there were those who thought and acted wrongly and were fitting or similar to other stereotyped factions or distinctions mentioned in the Qur'an, and others among them were Muslims down to similar worship practices as the Muslims today, since gestures like bowing and prostration or the kowtow were extremely common around the whole world and not exclusive to post-Arab Muhammadan Muslims.

So according to Buddhism, Jainism, and Islam, Buddhism didn't start with Siddhartha Gautama Buddha, Jainism didn't start with Mahavira, and Islam didn't start with Muhammed.

Similarly, Zarathustra was implied to be a reformer rather than an originator, just like Jesus was also considered a reformer rather than bringing anything new or unheard of.

The Qur'an threatens the Christians who believe Jesus is God or a God, and threatens Trinitarians as well, putting them in a category that is different than the good people who were raised Christian or in sects or with personal beliefs that are more like Universal Islam.

The Qur'an mentions some of the following factions:

The Utterly Obedient and Pure (like Angels)
The Foremost
The Strivers (Mujahid)
The Surrendered (Muslim)
The Believing (Mumin)
The Thoughtful and Good Thinking

×The Ignorant and Confused (Jahil)x

The Insensitive or Dullards or Bad Thinking
The Disbelievers (Kaffir)
The Evildoers / Evil Livers / Rebels / Transgressors
The Fighters, Raging Evil Attackers
The Exceeding Cruel, Malicious, Tyranical, Oppressors (Zalim?)
Totally dedicated to malicious harming (Shaitans)

There are sub categories or distinctions like People of the Book, Hypocrites, Fornicators, Atheists, etc.

There are people described in the Qur'an who have varying beliefs but may belong to different categories which include other peoples with different beliefs.

So there can be an Atheist who is simply a non believer, but there can be a non-believer theist or polytheist as well.

They can go or descend in their cruelty and vileness levels to themselves and others as well as animals.

The "Shaitan" group can consist of very bad and ill intended people from the human race or the plasma creature race which are the two races that get judged, the others are given a free pass as "innocent" and "obedient" even though they are considered "people like yourselves" and having language or communication and comparable or identical intelligence, they are not considered capable of really sinning or being judged.

The animals are returned and ressurected as well according to the Qur'an, which will fill the Paradise with all manner of sentient living beings who were good, whereas hell only contains the minority who were created and made to manifest as evildoers.

Just like fish are made for water, some are said to be created or made for hell, and hell is their appropriate habitation and home and place of rest or "bed".
Also, in those things I just listed, its more like the category encompasses the next, for example from out of Sensitive Good thinkers come Mumins, and from out if Mumins come Muslims and out of the true Muslims there comes out the Foremost, like a pyramid.

The same goes in the other direction, all the bad thinkers and insensitive, from out of them come the kaffirs, and from out if the kaffirs there are some especially rebellious and self-harming, and from out of those rebels there are some exceedingly cruel and evil.

So to help one understand, the Qur'an provides examples, like Moses is considered a Foremost and Pharoah an exceedingly cruel one.

Gabriel is considered an utterly obedient angel and Iblis is considered a plasma being who prayed for an exceedingly long life term and is dedicated to leading people or organizations into harm and self-destruction, so those are examples of two opposites belonging on the mirror ends of each group.

Herminator and muhammed-isa are being used on this website to showcase two positions, that of the Mumin and the Kaffir maybe.

Muslims might be thought if as opposite of the Kaffirs, but Muslims may actually be the opposite or enemies of the Rebels.

There are those who Fight and Strive known as Mujahid the ones who perform the Jihad or struggle in the cause of Allah, and opposite of them are the ones who actively struggle in the cause against good. The ISIS or terrorists are worldly political agents and cruel villains who break all sorts of rules in the way they act, so they aren't supposed to be the ones who struggle in the cause of Allah, but rather the real Mujahideen people are the ones who work hard and make money to give to charity, help people, move away from their homes. They are a type of Muslim that can move towards becoming a Foremost.

The Foremost receive their book of deeds in front of them most likely, the Muslims in their Right hand, the others in their left, and the very evil behind them? Something like that.

So this directional stuff I'm going on and on about has hints in the Qur'an even though I'm just making it up as a fun little way to think about and organize understandings regarding religion and religions.

Yes, and I'm jumbling in a huge amount of material that people often separate, since many religious writings and scriptures and even mythologies from around the world and various cults and authors contain cosmological ideas that aren't really too different from each other and were also sometimes widespread and cross-culturally absorbed or re-purposed, so that making a kind of syncretic or perrenial understanding like this becomes possible if one has familiarized themselves with enough diverse and variegated material.

It also feels really nice in a way, that we don't really have to "choose", that it isn't impossible to encompass a great deal all at once, even if there are some cuts here and there to make things fit a little better.

Its really quite cool and I'll even have to look into it a bit more, my own writing, to see what else it might remind me of. This sort of map or layout was not even uncommon among people like the Norse and Aztecs and various groups in the Anatolian world and Greek world, so its also interesting how similar ideas and designs to try to help people understand things have repeatedly emerged.

So, I say with some confidence, that by knowing in what way I am meaning and saying things, just about all or most or a great deal of terminology from the various languages and cultures of the world can be satisfactorily repurposed and invested with meanings which might better correspond to this reality we understand today and careful reasoning,application, and explanation.

Otherwise, and this is probably fine to do as well, a whole lot of human heritage and language and ideas and words, by being given definitions and being strictly linked with mostly unhelpful and uninspiring or ultimately useless and fake or false ideas, are deprived of their potential and value in being turned towards reminders regarding the truth and empowering our thoughts with meditations on reality and the nature of things.

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To speak on Gurdjieff? No, I'm not qualified to speak on anything ever, who is? I speak on things because I like to, I'm not even qualified to be alive. I earned nothing, and will fight for it. I just happened to know a girl for years whose mother attended a Gurdjieff based spiritual dance group.

I have no respect for anything about Gurdjieff except maybe his mustache. Certainly not his baldness.

I appreciate Gurdjieff uttering the word Beelzebub or Beezlebub or whatever he might have said. Anyone who utters that name gains some merit in my view, just by uttering it, not what they make of it or further discussion which is just their enjoying their own voice like I do probably, or trying to get chicks or guys. But just having that word brought to mind, saying it to people, again and again, saying it to oneself, reading it, bringing it to mind, it in my view accumulates merit, and so Gurdjieff had his blessings for his task and doing what he did, which was not much, like any of us.

Saying his name though brings on less merit than saying Beezlebub or Beelzebub or whatever. Pronounciation doesn't matter, just the thought brought to the name in its vaguest and conceptual form. Whatever images may flash are only a symptom. What name do you like to say if any? God is bleh. Beezlebub Beelzebub Beezlebub Beelzebub, can alternate, it makes my teeth tickle.

"If you say that someone or something is on the level, you mean that they are sincere or honest, and are not attempting to deceive people. [informal] There were probably moments when you wondered if anyone spoke the truth or was on the level."

"5. "Essential Remembrance"
This practice is rather like some of the "sensing" exercises prescribed in the Gurdjieff Work. The phrase, "la ilaha ill-Allah," (there is no God, but God, is repeated many times. With each word of the phrase, the chanter "says" each word from a different part of his body in a particular order.
6. "Returning"
This is the practice of remembrance of Allah (dhikr) with the aim of achieving unity. An invocation to instill an awareness of the oneness of God is a key element of mysticism in general - to a Gurdjieff follower, alerted to the fatally fragmented state of his own being, the search for unity takes on a special importance."

"The silent worshipping of God in the heart is the practice of the dhikr, one of eleven principles on which the Naqshbandi Order is based. "

Beelzebub, Beezlebub, Beelzebub, Beezlebub.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhikr