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ToPDoG
what's wrong with homeopathy ?
BrainstormMisfire
It appears to not have a basis in science.
@UnderCoverNerd
nothing if you like placebo
BrainstormMisfire
Arguably, vaccinations are a 'type' of homeopathy.
I may be truly abusing the word type there.
@UnderCoverNerd
not really
@UnderCoverNerd
homeopathy revolves around its dilution method of making drugs, which is not how one makes a vaccine
ToPDoG
homeopathic cough syrup is great
and it works
BrainstormMisfire
Vaccinations are about taking 'a thing' and 'diluting' it to promote an immune response
@UnderCoverNerd
except you don't dilute it to make it work?
maybe u mean how some vaccines use an inactivated virus?
BrainstormMisfire
'dilute'
I have a degree in molecular biology.
And I have a special interest in immunology.
@UnderCoverNerd
Prove it
BrainstormMisfire
Consider that as you engage me on this topic.
@UnderCoverNerd
I will note you have made an unsubstantiated claim
do you have proof of your credentials?
@sbalneav
BrainstormMisfire: I flat out don't believe you.  If you did, you'd know how vaccines work.
@UnderCoverNerd
when one has to appeal to their degree rather than their argument it is a sign that they got nothin
@sbalneav
I got a degree in computer science, and no special interest in immunology, and *I* know how vaccines work.
And they're not "dilutions" of virii
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ToPDoG
???
@UnderCoverNerd
?
ToPDoG
vaccines get absorbed in your system
BrainstormMisfire
sbalneav: your personality is such that you are unwilling to grant anything positive to your chat enemies
I have three BS degrees from UCLA
And a minor
@UnderCoverNerd
BrainstormMisfire: prove it
BrainstormMisfire
Computer science; molecular, cell, and developmental biology; computational and systems biology
Minor is in statistics
@UnderCoverNerd
or you could also try to explain why you think a vaccine is a dilution
BrainstormMisfire
5% of UCLA graduating seniors have a double major
I didn't say it was a dilution
I said it was a 'dilution'
LunarJetman
hi agnostics!
@UnderCoverNerd
lol
BrainstormMisfire
dilution != 'dilution'
The quotes carry meaning
LunarJetman
are you a coder?
BrainstormMisfire
Yes
@UnderCoverNerd
so you rather discuss pedantry about that as well i see, interesting
BrainstormMisfire
I am a software engineer/data scientist
LunarJetman
what language?
BrainstormMisfire
Python is currently my strongest language
ToPDoG
don't vaccines get absorbed into your system ?
LunarJetman
ew
BrainstormMisfire
Vaccines typically lead to B-cells becoming activated
Some portion of B-cells then become memory cells
Which is how your body stories the information of immunity
ToPDoG
python has a pretty big installation base but it's starting to become legacy
LunarJetman
Python is a borderline scripting language so shouldn't be your strongest.
BrainstormMisfire
There are four major types of vaccines
One class if vaccines involves a living virus which has its pathology inducing components neutralized
This is broadly under the concept of 'dilution'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_B_cell
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine#Types
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attenuated_vaccine
An attenuated vaccine is a vaccine created by reducing the virulence of a pathogen, but still keeping it viable (or "live").[1] Attenuation takes an infectious agent and alters it so that it becomes harmless or less virulent. These vaccines contrast to those produced by "killing" the virus (inactivated vaccine).
Now, viruses weren't known when homeopathy came into existence
So, homeopathy gets no credit for anything
I am not arguing on behalf of homeopathy
I am trying to be a good philosopher
@sbalneav
BrainstormMisfire: or should I say Lania, I'm a skeptic
BrainstormMisfire
Of?
LunarJetman
homeopathy is a total scam
@sbalneav
And you recall, Lania, you already doxxed yourself.
BrainstormMisfire
Homeopathy (Listeni/ˌhoʊmiˈɒpəθi/) is a system of alternative medicine created in 1796 by Samuel Hahnemann, based on his doctrine of like cures like (similia similibus curentur), a claim that a substance that causes the symptoms of a disease in healthy people would cure similar symptoms in sick people.[1] Homeopathy is a pseudoscience – a belief that is incorrectly presented as scientific. Homeopathic preparations are not effective for treating any condition;[2][3][4][5] large-scale studies have found homeopathy to be no more effective than a placebo, suggesting that any positive feelings that follow treatment are only due to the placebo effect and normal recovery from illness.[6][7][8]
sbalneav: when does your argumentation beging
Perhaps you could prepend your comments with <non-argumentation> and <argumentation>
@sbalneav
So when you say something that's WRONG, you're going to get called on it.
BrainstormMisfire
What did I say that was wrong
@sbalneav
19:05:44 BrainstormMisfire Vaccinations are about taking 'a thing' and 'diluting' it to promote an immune response
That's wrong
LunarJetman
why are you dicussing something that is a total scam not worthy of discussion?
BrainstormMisfire
What does '"diluting"' dereference to?
sbalneav: do you agree no two words in English are exact synonyms?
@sbalneav
19:06:53 BrainstormMisfire And I have a special interest in immunology.
BrainstormMisfire
Indeed.
@sbalneav
Then use the right terms
BrainstormMisfire
What does '"diluting"' dereference to?
@sbalneav
The CORRECT terms.
Use. The. Right. Terms.
BrainstormMisfire
sbalneav: your question queue is backing up
@sbalneav
It's just as easy to say "deactivated" as "'diluted'"
BrainstormMisfire
Not all vaccines are deactivated.
"to reduce the strength, force, or efficiency of by admixture."
@sbalneav
Um, that would be wrong.
BrainstormMisfire
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/dilute
An attenuated vaccine is a vaccine created by reducing the virulence of a pathogen, but still keeping it viable (or "live").[1] Attenuation takes an infectious agent and alters it so that it becomes harmless or less virulent. These vaccines contrast to those produced by "killing" the virus (inactivated vaccine).
"less virulent"
"reduce the strength"
Seems pretty close
@sbalneav
It's not.
BrainstormMisfire
The distance should be sufficiently captured by scare quotes.
@sbalneav
It's not.
Use. The. Right. Terms.
BrainstormMisfire
It appears we have exhausted your argumentation phase.
LunarJetman
inactivated vaccines and homeopathy dilution share nothing in common; one is based on science and the other is total bullshit
BrainstormMisfire
As your service is no longer responding to API requests.
LunarJetman: I have already addressed that.
I am not arguing for homeopathy.
I was making a casual notice that the idea of dilution from homeopathy, a pseudoscience, shares a cursory similarity to attenuated vaccines.
@sbalneav
And you're repidly approaching your ban phase, seeing as how you're argument is now reduced to "Well, when discussing precise sciences, I can just substitute words that are close BECAUSE"
LunarJetman
inactivated vaccines have a SHAPE recognizable by antibodies whilst water memory DOESN'T EXIST
@UnderCoverNerd
except it doesn't have a similarity to attenuated vaccines at all
ToPDoG
what's wrong with homeopathic cough syrup if it works ?
BrainstormMisfire
"to reduce the strength, force, or efficiency of by admixture."
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/dilute
LunarJetman
ToPDoG: because homeopathy is bullshit
BrainstormMisfire
An attenuated vaccine is a vaccine created by reducing the virulence of a pathogen, but still keeping it viable (or "live").[1] Attenuation takes an infectious agent and alters it so that it becomes harmless or less virulent. These vaccines contrast to those produced by "killing" the virus (inactivated vaccine).
@UnderCoverNerd
tho i suppose you could have said "yes" way back when I asked if that was what you were referring to
@sbalneav
BY ADMIXTURE
That's NOT WHAT HAPPENS with vaccines.
* ToPDoG just said THREE TIMES that homeopathic cough syrup works
@sbalneav
You don't produce deactivated virii by mixing them with water.
BrainstormMisfire
You have pending questions in your queue, sbalneav.
@sbalneav
ToPDoG: You've produced no evidence, so we're just ignoring you.
LunarJetman
ToPDoG: that active ingredient in homepathic cough syrup that "works" has nothing to do with homeopathy which is just a word printed on the label and nothing more
@sbalneav
BrainstormMisfire: We're deaing with the first issue.
BrainstormMisfire
All of your statements to me are currently receiving a 403 error from me.
@sbalneav
When you admit that you used the incorrect word, then we'll move on.
@exbee
he won't
BrainstormMisfire
"You don't produce deactivated virii by mixing them with water. "
@sbalneav
Then he'll get a ban.
BrainstormMisfire
This would be winning.
If I had said dilute.
But, I did not say dilute.
I said 'dilute'.
@exbee
lani I can see that you're still up to your old tricks so I've gone ahead and placed you on ignore for the next 1-2 years
BrainstormMisfire
Scare quotes, shudder quotes,[1][2] or sneer quotes[3][4][5] are quotation marks placed around a word or phrase to signal that a term is being used in a non-standard, ironic, or otherwise special sense.[6] They may be used to imply that a particular expression is not necessarily how the author would have worded a concept.[7] Scare quotes may serve a function similar to verbally preceding a phrase with the expression "so-called",[8] they may imply skepticism or disagreement, belief that the words are mis-used, or that the writer intends a meaning opposite to the words enclosed in quotes.[9]
"signal that the term is being used in a non-standard... sense"
@UnderCoverNerd
LunarJetman: yeah that is the real danger of homeopathic products, they might actually have active ingredient in them and not be homeopathic
ⓘ sbalneav set mode +b BrainstormMisfire!*@*
@exbee
yes let's reinvent the lexicon
@sbalneav
Words mean things