<Monsuta_Hanta18> The worst part?
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Both of them are my friends, and both of them were just...ugh...
18* Monsuta_Hanta rubs his head
18<Maritisa18> I know that feeling.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> What we need in a mod is a leader.
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18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Some people are just better fit to be leaders.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> It's why a lot of people in Kitchen Nightmares fail after gordon leaves.
18<Maritisa18> lmao
18<Jace_Jolteon18> so not you
18<Grovyle18> Gordon Ramsey is a hero
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Hell, the fact that more than 2% make it out is AMAZING!
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> But in the end, some of those people are not fit to be leaders.
18<Maritisa18> Gordon Ramsey is proof that sometimes getting really fucking mad at people when you scold them, works. lol
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> But there's something people don't realize.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Is that he doesn't continue to slam them once the defenses are totally broken.
18<Maritisa18> Mhm
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> After he breaks through to them, and they are open, he goes ahead and calms down.
18<Talon-18> the difference between gordon and charon is that gordon's anger isn't real anger and his insults aren't personally directed at the people he's yelling at.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> And works with them on that level.
18<Maritisa18> (The breaking is my favorite part though *so awfully sadist*)
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Actually
18<Jace_Jolteon18> and charon is just a psychopath
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Gordon is real anger.
18<Grovyle18> Gordon also doesn't use death threats :v
18<Talon-18> That's what I meant about the whole "Generalized insults" thing
18<Talon-18> the insults gordon uses don't make any one person think he's gonna snap their neck if they so much as blink wrong
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Gordon is a leader.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> He understands what it takes.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> But sometimes you can't tell who would be a good leader until later.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> As cruel as it sounds...
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Some people just won't ever be strong enough to be a leader.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> If that makes sense.
18<Jace_Jolteon18> this is literally not pertinent to the topic whatsoever
18<Jace_Jolteon18> charon had to be dealt with, and he was
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Yes, it is.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Because this is all indicative of a bigger problem.
18<Grovyle18> I agree with Jace
18<Jace_Jolteon18> you're spewing shit
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> No, I'm not.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> I'm bringing up a point.
18<Jace_Jolteon18> fix yourself before you try to 'fix' the rest of us
18<Grovyle18> The guy 'literally' threatened to kill everyone here :v
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> I'm not saying he's right.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> I literally just said both of them were wrong.
18<Jace_Jolteon18> you're saying that because NG has called you out on your bullshit and you don't like him for that
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> No, he DIDN'T call me out on my bullshit.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> He at length told me that I was beneath him, and did the same stuff we banned M2 for.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> And I DO like NG.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Which is why I don't like that I had to do this.
18<Jace_Jolteon18> why should I believe you? I don't have any prior reason to trust your word
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Because it's because of me that NG was allowed to keep modship.
18<Talon-18> We're not saying the ban wasn't unwarrented. yes, the ban was deserved, and in fact in query with me he's not even mad cause he knows he deserved it. However NG shouldn't have been half as showey or inflammatory as he was in carrying it out
18* Monsuta_Hanta points to Talon
18<Jace_Jolteon18> I would have done the same, because watching it felt good as hell. Charon was certainly showy in his stint earlier
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> And that's bad.
18<Grovyle18> NG was just doing his job
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Because I told both of them they were being idiots.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> ANd others had complained about NG.
18<Maritisa18> [18:41] NG Rot in Hell
18<Talon-18> Then NG should do his job, not ham it up first.
18<Maritisa18> this was 100% uncalled for.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> ^
18<Maritisa18> That's not "doing your job"
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> I'm not saying Charon did good.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> I'm saying neither did NG.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> And NG did not do his job as mod.
18<Grovyle18> Well I mean I just got here so I'unno. Still
18<Talon-18> It would be like if criminal judges turned each case into a media circus before handing out sentences.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> It's like a twisted version of Phoenix wright, where both sides are the DAs
18<Jace_Jolteon18> he did his job. He got rid of the troublemaker. That's what a mod does
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> No, that's NOT what a mod does.
18<Talon-18> Yes, but you can do that without putting on a show
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> A mod keeps the peace.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> He makes sure the rules are being followed.
18<Jace_Jolteon18> does it make a difference, talon? No, it doesn't
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Jace.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> It 100% does.
18<Talon-18> Its unprofessional.
18<Grovyle18> And he did, by getting rid of the thing disrupting the peace
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Because that did NOT keep the peace.
18<Jace_Jolteon18> no one here is a professional
18<Jace_Jolteon18> no one is getting paid to do this shit
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> But Grov
18<Talon-18> and disrupted the peace in getting rid of the person disrupting the peace
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> ^
18<Talon-18> which is a bad thing
18<Jamen18> NG was a cunt
18<Jace_Jolteon18> and he's not coming back
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> What Talon said.
18<Jamen18> NG is a cunt
18<Jace_Jolteon18> so it makes no difference
18<Jamen18> But at the end of the day he did the job he was supposed to do
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> As much as we wanna say otherwise, how you do something can make all the difference.
18<Maritisa18> There's no peace here
18<Maritisa18> We're all arguing again
18<Maritisa18> see?
18<Jamen18> It wouldn't change a thing and fuck off Mari
18<Maritisa18> I'm saying it how it is!
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Mari's right, Jamen.
18<Maritisa18> .w.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> And yes, it would.
18<Jamen18> We don't need her pointing out the damn obvious
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Had NG come back and been calm, this wouldn't be happening.
18<Talon-18> There was until that yeah
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> But no, he had to make a show of it to wave his damn cock around.
18<Jace_Jolteon18> yeah because you wouldn't have bitched about him behind his back
18<Jamen18> and no not really because we'd still be discussing Charon being banned.
18<Jamen18> And people still would have bitched because they can't handle mods doing their jobs
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> So there would be one problem instead of two.
18<Jace_Jolteon18> except you probably would have anyway
18<Jace_Jolteon18> because of the banning itself
18<Talon-18> I have no problem with the banning, only the way it was done
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> ^
18<Jamen18> Then it's agreed
18<Jamen18> NG is a cunt and he did his job.
18<Jace_Jolteon18> you've said that several times, yet it still makes zero difference
18<Talon-18> In fact, charon himself wasn't mad about it cause he knew he had it coming.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Except he didn't, Jamen.
18<Jace_Jolteon18> what are you smoking
18<Jace_Jolteon18> charon needed to be banned. Charon was banned
18<Jace_Jolteon18> end of story
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Because he caused another problem.
18<Jace_Jolteon18> how it happened makes zero difference. No, you caused a problem by making a big ass deal about it
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> A mod's job is to keep a problem from happening.
18<Grovyle18> ^
18<Jamen18> This is just as stupid as when he got banned the other day
18<Grovyle18> What Jace said I mean
18<Jamen18> and everyone bitched because the mods were doing their jobs then
18<Jamen18> It comes back to people not liking the fact that the people they choose to run the place actually do that
18<Jamen18> They want everyone to be like Riri, apathetic and inactive
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> I don't have a problem with the bannings
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> I've said that a million times.
18<Maritisa18> who's Riri
18<Talon-18> and had he just come in here, said his hellos, then went "By the way, I gotta do this." Ban, then left. it would have been okay
18<Maritisa18> I've never even hard of them lol
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Sulfur, Mari
18<Maritisa18> oh
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> What Talon said.
18<Maritisa18> ^
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> That's not what happened.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> And it's not what happens with our mods.
18<Jace_Jolteon18> again, that would have made zero difference
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> They have to make a big deal of it.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Yes, it would, Jace.
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18<Monsuta_Hanta18> It 100% would have.
18<Grovyle18> How would it have?
18<Jace_Jolteon18> Oh I'm sorry I forgot you know everything about how people work
18<Jace_Jolteon18> and we should all respect that and not question it
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Jace, now you're being an asshole.
18<Grovyle18> Of course
18<Jace_Jolteon18> thank you, now you know how it feels
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18<Monsuta_Hanta18> ANd there IS an answer.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> People aren't upset that NG got banned.
18<Jamen18> Yes they were
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> They are upset at how it happened and who did it.
18<Jamen18> I was literally there when Nines started giving shit because Charon and Swanna did something
18<Jace_Jolteon18> no, we were upset because he didn't deserve it
18<Grovyle18> ^
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Except he did.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Because he harassed me.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> And he had apparently done so to other people.
18<Jace_Jolteon18> how? He took his issues to PMs like we tell everyone to?
18<Grovyle18> Frei, I have a feeling that any criticism you get, you think it's harassment
18<Jace_Jolteon18> Oh I completely believe that
18<Jace_Jolteon18> also what grov said
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> And harassing people in PM is good?
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Also
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> NG point blank had told me repeatedly that I am beneath him.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> That he is above everybody else here.
18<Grovyle18> I don't believe you
18<Grovyle18> I'm sorry, but I really don't
18<Jace_Jolteon18> you have to be the victim so you can get away with shit
18<Maritisa18> Monsu doesn't come off as that sort of person to me.
18<Jace_Jolteon18> you haven't known him as long a I have
18<Jace_Jolteon18> as*
18<Grovyle18> Jace especially
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Honestly, Jace...
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> You and I haven't talked in ages.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Ever since PIRL was still doing things.
18<Maritisa18> No, I haven't, but I don't sense any falsehood in their claim
18<Maritisa18> and given how NG acts
18<Maritisa18> I can completely believe it
18<Jace_Jolteon18> yeah because I don't want to deal with the way you handle things anymore. I kept quiet about it because I knew if I ever brought it up, you'd be the victim yet again
18<Jamen18> Honestly I can see NG being a total asshole to Frei in query even if Frei might play it up
18<Jamen18> But then I'm biased
18<Jamen18> anyway I got shit to do, have fun kids
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18<Motochika`18> Nigga why did NG ban Charon?
18<Mollybot18> Wassup
18<Mollybot18> FUCK
18<Mollybot18> FUUUUCK I MISSED IT ALL
18<Maritisa18> hoo boy
18<Mollybot18> MARI WHAT DID YOU DO
18<Jace_Jolteon18> I'm not saying NG is perfect, of course not. He has outbursts. But he's not some sadistic asshole who's goal is to ruin people's lives
18<Grovyle18> ^
18<Maritisa18> I never claimed that.
18<Talon-18> Charon went rage-mode and threw a huge tantrum, which I believe the explosion was caused by the whole Nines shit last night which I missed apparently
18<Jace_Jolteon18> I wasn't talking to you. Sorry, I didn't make that clear
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> And neither did I, honestly, Mari.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> But NG thought he was doing good by being an abusive asshole.
18<Jace_Jolteon18> I also worded it poorly
18<Maritisa18> Because the fact that either of them had an outburst at all shows that they care about this group, even if in a distorted sort of way.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> And I flat out said before I talked to either CHaron or Swanna.
18<Talon-18> Yeah they do care even if they like to pretend they don't
18<Maritisa18> They wouldn't say anything if they didn't care.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> "I don't wnat NG banned or even have his modship revoked. What I want is for him to stop treating me like an ashole"
18<Talon-18> They could just stand to learn how to go about things a better way
18<Maritisa18> Mhm.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> And then I hear that he's been an asshole to other people.
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18<Motochika`18> Goddammit why the fuck is everything falling apart here
18<Motochika`18> Fuck it
18<Motochika`18> PRP is dead
18<Maritisa18> But that's a two-way thing, because one of the big problems in this group is that holy shit it divides itself over every little thing.
18<Jace_Jolteon18> NG doesn't pull his punches with anyone. If he sees a problem with you he lets you know. And moto, that was a long time ago. About when all the rocket folks came over
18<Maritisa18> There is absolutely no synergy between the whole here.
18<Motochika`18> What's wrong with all the Rocket Folks?
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> And even then, I still asked for his modship to be maintained.
18<Jace_Jolteon18> that was less of a blame
18<Jace_Jolteon18> and more of a time marker
18<Jace_Jolteon18> this isn't the rp group I joined two years ago. I'm only still here because I have things I need to finish, even
18<Jace_Jolteon18> and I still have plans for things I want to do with people that I can't do things with elsewhere
18<Maritisa18> That's kind of the vibe I get from a lot of this group.
18<Jace_Jolteon18> thank you
18<Motochika`18> I kinda wish I stayed here after the first few days
18<Motochika`18> But I was 2busy with other shit
18<Motochika`18> >TFW I'm technically a founding member and nobody remembers it
18<Jace_Jolteon18> that's right, you were Male!vulpix, right?
18<Motochika`18> That One Male Vulpix
18<Jace_Jolteon18> ahhh right
18* Monsuta_Hanta exhales
18<Motochika`18> T.O.M. :v
18<Talon-18> >Bout when all the rocket folks came over
18<Jace_Jolteon18> again
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Also, Shlk was That1Ratata
18<Jace_Jolteon18> time marker
18<Talon-18> so wait its our fault PRP died?
18<Jace_Jolteon18> that's around the time I noticed things falling apart. Not saying it was you or anyone's fault
18<Jace_Jolteon18> it happens when groups like this get so large
18<Grovyle18> alas
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> I don't think this place is unsalvagable
18<Jace_Jolteon18> it is
18<Talon-18> Okay thanks
18<Maritisa18> And also when new people start showing up, just a consequence of that. Newer folk won't be as informed or have the same synergy as the long-time members
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> I will at least do what I can to heal this place.
18<Maritisa18> It's not something anybody can really help, that.
18<Talon-18> And no its not unsalvagable. Its only the mindsets that lead to that is what's unsalvagable.
18<Maritisa18> And I think that really
18<Talon-18> You guys need to put all that shit aside and actually work together for a change
18<Maritisa18> The best solution would be to just have an outright divide
18<Jace_Jolteon18> and there's guaranteed to be folks that will cause divisive issues, in which the group splits as people take different sides
18<Maritisa18> Because not everybody here can work together.
18<Maritisa18> It just won't happen.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> I'm willing to work with people.
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> I've been doing that.
18<Maritisa18> Make like Plasma and Neo Plasma
18<Maritisa18> except with less evil and shit
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> Turner, Charon, Talon, NG until he started being an asshole, Nines...
18<Jace_Jolteon18> we all need to fix our own issues before we start dealing with anyone else
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> I've worked with them to try and make this place etter.
18<Jace_Jolteon18> including you
18<Maritisa18> Jace if that's what we're waiting on then nothing will ever get done lmfao
18<Monsuta_Hanta18> And I'm not going to have a fatalistic view of things.
18<Talon-18> I'm willing to work with anyone as long as it gets shit done
18<Jace_Jolteon18> exactly my point, Mari
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