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Who knew, Secret Sanctuary doesn't start a Chain!

Mar 6th, 2014
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  2. zaziuma: eff moral
  3. zaziuma: and cad
  4. piggyhero141: no eff
  5. zaziuma: heh?
  6. piggyhero141: hen a monster(s) (except a Spellcaster-Type monster) is Normal or Special Summoned to your opponent's side of the field while you control another face-up Spell Card and your opponent does not control
  7. zaziuma: ah I see
  8. zaziuma: but, that's not a continuous effect
  9. zaziuma: that's a trigger effect
  10. zaziuma: So, it forms a Chain to my Summon
  11. piggyhero141: still
  12. piggyhero141: no eff
  13. zaziuma: yeah
  14. piggyhero141: cant use eff
  15. piggyhero141: read
  16. zaziuma: CL1 your Spell, CL2 cad, CL3 moral
  17. zaziuma: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Simultaneous_Effects_Go_On_Chain
  18. zaziuma: You know, I am not going to destroy that card
  19. zaziuma: Your guy is dead
  20. piggyhero141: monster cannot attack or activate its effects this turn
  21. zaziuma: Yes, I know
  22. zaziuma: However, that's a trigger effect
  23. zaziuma: it hasn't yet resolved
  24. zaziuma: Moral resolves first
  25. piggyhero141: ojk
  26. piggyhero141: how you use the eff ?
  27. piggyhero141: HOEW :
  28. zaziuma: the effect of moral?
  29. piggyhero141: when it summ
  30. piggyhero141: right ?
  31. zaziuma: Eh, by using it
  32. zaziuma: I don't understand your question buddy
  33. piggyhero141: when it summ
  34. piggyhero141: he cant use he eff
  35. zaziuma: Where are you from?
  36. zaziuma: I don't think english is your first language
  37. piggyhero141: i aply in burwood
  38. piggyhero141: aus
  39. zaziuma: austrailia?
  40. zaziuma: So, you do understand english yeah?
  41. piggyhero141: i konw ruling
  42. zaziuma: So, why is this so hard to understand?
  43. zaziuma: I very much doubt that
  44. zaziuma: You can see that secret sanctuary triggers
  45. zaziuma: As it has a colon
  46. piggyhero141: is a ocg
  47. piggyhero141: card
  48. zaziuma: just like moral
  49. zaziuma: it triggers
  50. zaziuma: form as chain according to SEGOC
  51. piggyhero141: so i am not sure
  52. zaziuma: If you don't know what that is
  53. zaziuma: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Simultaneous_Effects_Go_On_Chain
  54. piggyhero141: dude
  55. piggyhero141: you jsut dumb
  56. piggyhero141: is a ocg
  57. zaziuma: I love when people say taht
  58. piggyhero141: NOTA TCG
  59. zaziuma: And what is that suppose to prove?
  60. piggyhero141: the ruling is not out
  61. zaziuma: What ruling?
  62. piggyhero141: for the card in tcg
  63. zaziuma: What card?
  64. zaziuma: moral?
  65. zaziuma: It doesn't really need a ruling, it's quite clear that it's a trigger effect
  66. zaziuma: your card has PSCT
  67. zaziuma: it clearly triggers and starts a chain
  68. piggyhero141: DUDE
  69. zaziuma: Dude yourself.
  70. zaziuma: Please stop rule sharking okay
  71. zaziuma: It won't get you anywhere
  72. piggyhero141: if i activate
  73. piggyhero141: the spell
  74. zaziuma: I wrote a whole rule book buddy
  75. piggyhero141: then you chain
  76. zaziuma: I know my shit
  77. piggyhero141: on to my spell
  78. zaziuma: yes
  79. piggyhero141: then you get the eff
  80. zaziuma: yes
  81. piggyhero141: but
  82. zaziuma: But what?
  83. piggyhero141: i activate my sepll card in m1
  84. piggyhero141: then bp
  85. piggyhero141: i atk
  86. zaziuma: yes
  87. zaziuma: true again
  88. piggyhero141: OMG
  89. zaziuma: So, what's the problem?
  90. piggyhero141: people so dumb
  91. zaziuma: No, I think you are, since you arn't understanding this very basic chain
  92. zaziuma: You have yet to explain to me why what I said is wrong.
  93. zaziuma: Please, convince me that you're right.
  94. piggyhero141: when i activate in M1 then you chain your trap
  95. piggyhero141: you are right you get the eff
  96. piggyhero141: but
  97. zaziuma: I activated it in ythe Battle Phase
  98. piggyhero141: you didt
  99. piggyhero141: you activated on bp
  100. zaziuma: Yeah, I ddi
  101. zaziuma: did*
  102. zaziuma: that is the battle phase...
  103. piggyhero141: so my spell work still
  104. zaziuma: I activated it after you used assailant
  105. piggyhero141: is just like trap stun
  106. zaziuma: That doesn't even make sense
  107. zaziuma: it's not, like at all
  108. piggyhero141: you are dumb
  109. piggyhero141: LOL
  110. zaziuma: you keep saying that, but you're still wrong
  111. piggyhero141: The term "SEGOC" is known in the OCG
  112. piggyhero141: iS OCG
  113. piggyhero141: LOL
  114. zaziuma: What the fuck are you talking about?
  115. piggyhero141: omg go fuck youslrf
  116. zaziuma: Will d
  117. zaziuma: do*
  118. piggyhero141: go playwith jap people
  119. zaziuma: I don't speak Japanese
  120. zaziuma: Also, what does that have to do with anything?
  121. zaziuma: The rules are still the same
  122. zaziuma: Well, we arn't getting anywhere
  123. piggyhero141: what rule
  124. piggyhero141: show me
  125. piggyhero141: which one ?
  126. zaziuma: The freaking SEGOC rule
  127. zaziuma: I have posted a link 2 times
  128. zaziuma: It explains everything very clearly
  129. zaziuma: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Simultaneous_Effects_Go_On_Chain
  130. zaziuma: Dumtidum
  131. zaziuma: You reading it?
  132. piggyhero141: LOL
  133. piggyhero141: i jsut waiting
  134. piggyhero141: for admin
  135. zaziuma: This is unrated
  136. zaziuma: There are no admins
  137. piggyhero141: i still want to konw
  138. piggyhero141: you can go
  139. zaziuma: I'll wait
  140. zaziuma: I have nothing better to do anyway
  141. zaziuma: Why don't you ask guybrush
  142. zaziuma: He's an admin
  143. piggyhero141: i still dont ge thow you neg my spell eff
  144. zaziuma: I havn't negated anything
  145. zaziuma: your spell effect still resolves
  146. zaziuma: but my effect resolves first
  147. zaziuma: Chains resolve backwards
  148. piggyhero141: i konw it
  149. zaziuma: From the newest Chain Link (CL 3) to the first Chain Link (Chain Link 1)
  150. piggyhero141: but
  151. zaziuma: Then what's the problem?
  152. zaziuma: The effect to negate effects and prevent me from attacking hasn't resolved
  153. zaziuma: As such, my effect goes through destroying your monster
  154. piggyhero141: when trap stun activate you can still chain trap
  155. zaziuma: Is that so hard to undestand?
  156. zaziuma: Yeah
  157. zaziuma: That's correct
  158. piggyhero141: but i activate at M1
  159. zaziuma: Also, you can still activate traps, they are just negated, but that's besides the point
  160. piggyhero141: but you didt chain
  161. piggyhero141: no
  162. zaziuma: You see the colon on your spell?
  163. zaziuma: That means it starts a Chain
  164. zaziuma: When my monster was Summoned, it started a Chain
  165. zaziuma: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Problem-Solving_Card_Text
  166. zaziuma: That explains the colons and stuff
  167. zaziuma: If you need it
  168. piggyhero141: when trap stun activate you can still chain and the eff still go thoght
  169. zaziuma: yes
  170. zaziuma: Kind of the same here
  171. zaziuma: Since it hasn't resolved yet
  172. zaziuma: my effect goes through
  173. piggyhero141: see
  174. piggyhero141: when i my spell activate at m1
  175. piggyhero141: my spell eff resolved
  176. zaziuma: sure
  177. piggyhero141: already
  178. zaziuma: but, your spell has an effect that activates
  179. zaziuma: and starts a chain
  180. zaziuma: as indicated by the colon
  181. zaziuma: opponent does not control any face-up Spell Cards: That
  182. zaziuma: See the colon there?
  183. zaziuma: That means it starts a Chain
  184. zaziuma: Well.
  185. zaziuma: I have explained all I need to for you to understand
  186. zaziuma: Why are you still being stubborn about this
  187. zaziuma: I have proved links too
  188. piggyhero141: ok some me a another exaple
  189. piggyhero141: in tcg card
  190. zaziuma: Ok
  191. zaziuma: Let's take Rescue Rabbit
  192. piggyhero141: k
  193. zaziuma: hm, actually not that card
  194. zaziuma: let's take tour guide
  195. piggyhero141: k
  196. zaziuma: When you summon that card, your spell activates
  197. zaziuma: when, tour guide activates
  198. zaziuma: CL1 is your spell, CL2 is tour guide
  199. zaziuma: Tour guide resolves first
  200. zaziuma: Summoning a level 3 fiend
  201. zaziuma: then, afterwards, it has its effect negated, and it cannot attack
  202. piggyhero141: no
  203. piggyhero141: i neg
  204. piggyhero141: tour eff
  205. piggyhero141: he cant summ
  206. zaziuma: This is what you don't understand
  207. zaziuma: It isn't continuous
  208. zaziuma: it activates
  209. zaziuma: meaning, it won't resolve right away
  210. zaziuma: you know how chains work?
  211. zaziuma: then you should know that when an effect activates, it doesn't resolve right away
  212. zaziuma: only when the chain resolves, which it does backwards, otherwise, counter traps would be useless
  213. zaziuma: In case you're one of those that don't like wikia links, here's from the official YGO blog:
  214. zaziuma: https://yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=2947
  215. zaziuma: I kind of find it insane how long this simple ruling needs to take to get into your head.
  216. zaziuma: It's like you're refusing to learn
  217. zaziuma: Are you afraid of being wrong?
  218. piggyhero141: i admit
  219. piggyhero141: idc
  220. zaziuma: Or what is it.
  221. piggyhero141: i jsut wait
  222. piggyhero141 admitted defeat
  223. zaziuma: For what
  224. piggyhero141 has left the duel
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