[19:05]	WalkingDisaster	Taure - There is no argument about money in politics not being bad which I will ever accept.
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[19:06]	Taure	WalkingDisaster> Taure - There is no argument which I will ever accept.
[19:06]	Taure	Fixed that for you
[19:06]	WalkingDisaster	failed at it, too
[19:07]	WalkingDisaster	Money in politics is corruption. Flat. End of story. No equivocation.
[19:08]	Taure	rolls eyes
[19:08]	Taure	Like I said
[19:08]	Taure	You're not interested in argument or evidence or investigating the mechanisms by which things actually happen.
[19:08]	WalkingDisaster	I'm not interested in being subject to lawyer-language trying to twist the obvious truth.
[19:09]	Taure	The truth that you know by faith
[19:09]	WalkingDisaster	Human History is all the evidence I need.
[19:09]	Mishie	So to clarify
[19:10]	Mishie	You're basing your stance entirely on faith
[19:10]	Taure	You're one step away from creationism, WD
[19:10]	Mishie	Refusing to compromise
[19:10]	WalkingDisaster	I'm basing my stance entirely on the obvious.
[19:10]	Taure	Aka your gut feeling
[19:10]	Mishie	mhm
[19:10]	WalkingDisaster	AKA human history.
[19:10]	Taure	Which you arrive at... by faith
[19:10]	Mishie	Okay
[19:11]	Taure	If you're going to invoke history
[19:11]	Mishie	I can just go "Human History says I'm right" as well
[19:11]	Mishie	Done
[19:11]	Taure	You have to provide histoical evidence of the actual mechanisms by which money acts in politics
[19:11]	WalkingDisaster	Except you'd be lying ^.^
[19:11]	WalkingDisaster	And I'm not.
[19:11]	Taure	You don't just get to invoke "history" in general
[19:11]	Mishie	Prove it
[19:11]	Mishie
[19:11]	WalkingDisaster	No, I don't have to. Not really.
[19:11]	Mishie	Prove I'm lying
[19:11]	WalkingDisaster	I can just stick by what I think and not engage silliness.
[19:11]	Mishie	I believe that things are significantly better now than they used to be
[19:11]	WalkingDisaster	waves
[19:12]	Taure	Yeah, reason, logic, evidence, what silliness!
[19:12]	Mishie	I feel that the current system is significantly better than most of the alternatives
[19:12]	Mishie	But at the same time, it's the most practical and realistic
[19:12]	WalkingDisaster	Twisting reason, logic, and evidence you mean.
[19:13]	Taure	I mean, Mishie, if you take the "no money in politics" thing to the extreme, the end result is that the media has 100% control over the political system. Politicians can't ever contact voters directly because that takes money. So the media has complete control over what the people know.
[19:13]	Mishie	Yupe
[19:13]	Sauce	The media controlled by three or four corporations, you mean?
[19:13]	WalkingDisaster	You make a good point, The MSM is a horrible influence on modern politics.
[19:13]	Mishie	Money in politics is a simple fact of life
[19:13]	Mishie	The important thing is to not only regulate it
[19:13]	Mishie	But
[19:13]	WalkingDisaster	To regulate the /fuck/ out of it.
[19:13]	Mishie	To also ensure that it can't do things alone
[19:14]	Mishie	Which is far more important
[19:14]	WalkingDisaster	Too bad we went in the entirely opposite direction and gave unlimited bribery the legal stamp of approval.
[19:14]	WalkingDisaster	Ahh, 'citizens' united.
[19:14]	Mishie	Corporations don't just hand over suitcases full of money
[19:14]	Taure	...except we didn't lol
[19:14]	Mishie	they do things the smart and legal way
[19:14]	Taure	That's the kind of claim that requires evidence
[19:14]	WalkingDisaster	Yes we did, Taure. That's what Citizens United is.
[19:14]	Mishie	they SPEND money
[19:14]	WalkingDisaster	Legal bribery.
[19:14]	Taure	That thing that you reject
[19:15]	Taure	lol
[19:15]	Taure	It very much isn't
[19:15]	WalkingDisaster	It very much is.
[19:15]	WalkingDisaster	Always has been.
[19:15]	WalkingDisaster	Always will be.
[19:15]	Mishie	Prove it
[19:15]	Mishie
[19:15]	WalkingDisaster	Don't have to, myself and millions of other Americans can all see it for what it is.
[19:15]	Mishie	Are you actually serious
[19:16]	WalkingDisaster	Hiding behind 'quid pro quo' doesn't make it any less obvious.
[19:16]	Taure	WalkingDisaster, I hope you realise how damaging this is
[19:16]	Mishie	Just
[19:16]	Taure	By using these argument tactics
[19:16]	Mishie	The words you use
[19:16]	Taure	You're completely legitimising the climate change deniers
[19:16]	Mishie	Do more to harm your argument
[19:16]	Taure	Who justify their positions in exactly the same way
[19:16]	Mishie	Than literally anything anybody else could say.
[19:16]	Taure	If your argument is legitimate
[19:17]	WalkingDisaster	Except they don't have reams of science to back them up.
[19:17]	Taure	Then so is their's
[19:17]	Mishie	[19:17]	WalkingDisaster	Except they don't have reams of science to back them up.
[19:17]	Mishie	Prove
[19:17]	Mishie	It
[19:17]	WalkingDisaster	So, no I'm not.
[19:17]	WalkingDisaster	No.
[19:17]	WalkingDisaster	Mishie.
[19:17]	Mishie	Prove it
[19:17]	WalkingDisaster	I won't.
[19:17]	WalkingDisaster	Do the research yourself.
[19:17]	Taure	You're refusing to justify your position. YOu don't have anything backing you up.
[19:17]	WalkingDisaster	That's right.
[19:17]	WalkingDisaster	And wrong.
[19:17]	Mishie	Do you not understand
[19:17]	Taure	If you don't want to justify your position
[19:17]	Mishie	Basic debating
[19:17]	Taure	Why the hell are you in #politics
[19:17]	Nae	WD
[19:17]	Nae	might want to take a step back and breathe
[19:18]	WalkingDisaster	I'm perfectly calm, Nae, but thank you for the consideration. I appreciate it.