Capitalism and Socialism Chatlog

Mãlour Ængles
12/6, 3:28pm
Okay Reginald we need meaningful defintions of Capitalism and socialism.

Kagura Chan
12/6, 3:31pm
good luck with the latter part. huehue

Mãlour Ængles
12/6, 3:32pm
Socialism= sharing. You DON"T HATE SHARING DO U PYG?!
UGH! SYCK!

Kagura Chan
12/6, 3:33pm
... i love bacon tho
I'm a pyg

Mãlour Ængles
12/6, 3:33pm
Kagura is eat. wow.

Kagura Chan
12/6, 3:33pm
you are what you eat!
chinese eat lots of pork.

Mãlour Ængles
12/6, 5:40pm
Also we need to have a talk about Fascism.

Mãlour Ængles
12/6, 5:41pm
http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html
Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty
www.econlib.org
Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly...

Reginald Livingston
12/6, 7:00pm
ok?

Mãlour Ængles
12/6, 7:01pm
Yah. So have you worked out definitions for those 3 things?

Reginald Livingston
12/6, 7:01pm
sure I guess
although it wasn't hard

Kagura Chan
12/6, 7:02pm
master definer

Reginald Livingston
12/6, 7:03pm
capitalism is a state of economic/political development, and isn't an 'ideology' like socialism or fascism
I can give you a definition, but I did want to point that out

Mãlour Ængles
12/6, 7:09pm
so capitalism is not an ideology like the others because it has no governing ideas? Just people trading?

Reginald Livingston
12/6, 7:11pm
its basically just respect of private property by the gov't, which leads people to accumulate wealth, feel secure in their capital investments
this ends up turning the focus of the civilization in question from land/slave ownership to capital ownership
thus capitalism

Mãlour Ængles
12/6, 7:15pm
Are the definitions
Socialism - public ownership of the means of production
and
Capitalism - private ownership of the means of production
Too colloquiel?

Reginald Livingston
12/6, 7:15pm
socialism's definition is correct
and I wouldn't call that a definition of capitalism
part of identifying capitalism is finding private ownership
but capitalism isn't a policy, or a belief
you can think of it as a stage of development in a civilization
like the 'bronze age' or whatever
eventually, the tyrannical asshole rulers figure out
that not constantly stealing and murdering their citizens
has benefits
or
they just obliterate themselves, so that the gov't no longer has the ability to enforce all the stupid shit they want to do
and so capitalism emerges
several civilizations have reached that stage of development
in various times in history
historically it gets crushed by renewed strength and faith in the state
because even though the political authorities stop viciously oppressing their citizens, and so capitalism emerges and thrives
the citizens tend to still be statists
so its only a matter of time before some bullshit happens, they clamor for 'something to be done'
give it a couple generations and back to good ol horrifying feudalism
or classicalism

Kagura Chan
12/6, 7:21pm
yeah!! never ending cycle of failure!

Reginald Livingston
12/6, 7:21pm
or maybe even tribalism, if we are talking about the failed war communism in russia
now, the last stretch of capitalism was pretty rad so
we are riding on that high wave
but we are definitely going to get back to feudalism

Mãlour Ængles
12/6, 7:22pm
what do you mean by "classicalism"?

Reginald Livingston
12/6, 7:22pm
classical slave societies

Kagura Chan
12/6, 7:22pm
last stretch - the 20s?

Reginald Livingston
12/6, 7:23pm
no the late 1700s to late 1800s
ish
its not black and white
more like a gradient of rad capitalism

Kagura Chan
12/6, 7:23pm
ah

Reginald Livingston
12/6, 7:24pm
I don't know how long its going to last but considering the general public's retarded beliefs
and the internet making them even more retarded
I'd say it is inevitable