antidemnegotiationfail

•	AntiDem about 4 hours ago
The deal is simple: If you come after me, I come after you. But if you lay off of me, I lay off of you. You get what you give.
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Zon_Kuthon about 4 hours ago
What? Dude; you started in on me after I disagreed with you over your crusader shit. How are you going to come after me in any meaningful way? I'd love to hear that. Because; if you haven't noticed, your downvote cabal stays on me all the time anyways! And it isn't like anyone else has ever liked me or agreed with me on here either! And how am I coming after you by reminding people you're jewish?
•	 AntiDem about 4 hours ago
Come on man - don't play games. You know what you're doing when you do that.
•	And either way, I'm saying this can stop now. No more "You're a dirty Jew" from you means no more "I fucked your mom" from me.
•	It's up to you. If you're willing to have it end here, so am I.
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Zon_Kuthon about 4 hours ago
What am I doing? It seems like calling you out as a Jew does nothing; or at least that was your attitude earlier. And the your mom posts really don't bother me, man. It tells more about your heritage than anything else! What does naming you as a Jew do here? I thought you had the status of a (((Veteran Poster))) to hide behind?
•	 AntiDem about 4 hours ago
Like I said, it's up to you. We can play it whichever way you want it. You have my offer, you're a grownup, and you can accept it or not.
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Zon_Kuthon about 4 hours ago
What offer is that? Because I have a hard time believing that you'd have your friends stop downvoting me.
•	 AntiDem about 3 hours ago
Hand to God, on all my honor, I never told anybody to downvote you.
•	Now you and I have both gotten a lot of downvotes since the forum reboot. I think if we put the past behind us and go forward, maybe things can not get any worse than they already are.
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Zon_Kuthon about 3 hours ago
And it's not just me you have to try and truce with; you'd have to get with@Einsatzgruppe-D and others as well. I'm not in league with them; I just find the whole thing funny. And you being a quarter Jewish; do you really think I believe you? Remember; you're talking to someone truly paranoid here. You went and dug through my screed blog for the most POZ thing you could find and posted it in the original thread. What were you trying to do with that?
•	I mean; it will only stay the past, but for how long? How long until you get ill at something defeatist that I've posted and start it all up again?
•	 AntiDem about 3 hours ago
I was trying to hurt you, because you came after me. That's how it works. If you come after me, I'll hurt you any way I can think of until you stop. But once you agree to stop, I'll agree to stop.
•	And as for Einsatz, he's a separate matter. This is between me and you. You agree to lay off of me, and I'll agree to lay off of you. Simple as that.
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Zon_Kuthon about 3 hours ago
Do you understand that I can't really be hurt; not in any way that you can really do? I exist as pain; I am made of vitriol. The bullshittery you get up to is nothing compared to the inner torment I deal with on the regular. And all this over being outed as a Jew? Not even a full Jew; but a quarter Jew? Damn. It seems like a hollow offer; you give no guarantee that this will be the case; in fact you make it seem that you're worried about continuing this little shitflinging-fest as it is for some reason. You wouldn't have even bothered to message me to negotiate if you truly felt like you were the stronger party.
•	You're talking to someone who's self insults are better than your longest "your mom" tirades. You can't dox me; you don't know any other places I go online, and even if you did you'd just run into more of the same.
•	 AntiDem about 3 hours ago
There's no guarantees of anything in life. That's just how life is.
•	Let me ask you something, in all seriousness - how old are you?
•	I won;t tell anybody
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Zon_Kuthon about 3 hours ago
Now; I understand being weary of it. I too am weary of the constant shit; but for me, there's no way out. This is my reality; all night, every night. Your retaliations against me have been subpar; and in spite of your attack using my mental maladies, I've gained a few followers of my own. So; from a negotiation standpoint, I should be telling you to back off or I'll keep on. But that would be a dick move; and we've had such a nice string of civility going on. I'm 27; like I've always said.
•	No need to pretend to secrecy; I've told everyone here my age with no remorse.
•	It's not like I've tried to hide anything here.
•	 AntiDem about 3 hours ago
Okay, here's the thing. There's a lesson I've learned in life. Never let anybody fuck with you for free. Even if you have no chance of winning, always go down fighting. Hurting people who fuck with you is actually a public service, whether you win or lose. At very least, when they move on to the next guy they want to fuck with, and reflect on how much the last time hurt, and maybe decide they have more fun things to do.
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Zon_Kuthon about 3 hours ago
But you didn't hurt me. Or do you still think that I cared about what the people on a fashy goy forum thought about someone as defective as I am?
•	 AntiDem about 3 hours ago
No, listen - I'm trying to teach you something. Fuck what happens on this forum. This goes beyond that.
•	Always make it cost something for people to fuck with you. Otherwise, there'll be no end of it.
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Zon_Kuthon about 3 hours ago
I know what you're saying; you're still assuming that were the same. We're not. You're NO WHERE as crazy as I am. There isn't an option to do what you're saying. Things fuck with me just by existing; I wager about a quarter of what I see or hear from day to day isn't real.
•	 AntiDem about 3 hours ago
See what I'm saying?
•	Well shit - I can't tell you if it's real or not. And even if I did, how would you know that I'm real?
•	Not saying I'd lie or anything - just being realistic here.
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Zon_Kuthon about 3 hours ago
This forum and the things that have happened on it are a certain kind of grainy. It's not the same hyper-realness of a true hallucination. That's how I've learned to tell. When you do it often enough; you learn. And you'd lie; anyone would to get what they wanted. That's how things work. I would be hard pressed to believe you in anything you say; that's just how paranoia is.
•	But you're assuming people fuck with me IRL; they don't.
•	And online; it's the fucking internet! It hasn't been serious business ever! At least; not to me!
•	 AntiDem about 3 hours ago
What re you - Superman? The only way to not have anybody ever fuck with you IRL is either to be Superman, or to never go outside.
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Zon_Kuthon about 3 hours ago
That second part is where you're right. I don't go anywhere but to work and home. At work; I'm in uniform, and I guess I carry the vibe of my crazy because I've never had someone fuck with me IRL. They just tend to ignore me; or try and start but once they hear me talk, they back off. Because Imight just be crazy enough to murder your whole family, or at least, that's how it must look.
•	I don't go to bars; I don't go to malls. I have a few IRL friends that I hang out with but that's it. No one wants the crazies to be out and about; so I stay hidden.
•	 AntiDem about 3 hours ago
Maybe you should get out more.
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Zon_Kuthon about 3 hours ago
Why? That wouldn't be good for anyone! It would just make me crazier and make even more people hate me who would just end up hating me eventually. What would I do? Where would I go? What's the point?
•	 AntiDem about 3 hours ago
Dunno. But it doesn't seem like your current plan is working all that well. Again, just being honest here.
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Zon_Kuthon about 3 hours ago
It's true. Nothing will ever work all that well for me; I'm crazy, remember.
•	There's no way to change from my current working method anyways. I'm trapped where I live for at least the next three years as I attempt to homeschool my younger sister. (The public school POZ was getting to be too much!) I'm the only one in my household who can work; everyone else is either retarded or disabled. (Mother: Legally Blind, and unemployed for 14 years, so that's out. Brother: Left leg crippled and 'tistic as hell, no one will hire him and he's been trying for years.) It's just Fate.
•	And even then; I don't really think I could function living by myself. It would be even more pointless than my existence now. I'd end up shooting myself if I thought I could get away with it for long enough that Mother Dearest wouldn't know it happened when I did it.
•	 AntiDem about 3 hours ago
You can say that, but people have recovered from bad situations. And I mean really bad - just as bad as yours
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Zon_Kuthon about 3 hours ago
And that only proves that they are stronger than I am. Quit thinking we're all salvageable. Whence came hope? From where comes faith?
•	It's like you want to talk shit on anyone who fails; yet you don't actually think that failure is possible.
•	So it has to be that they aren't trying or aren't working at it hard enough.
•	I know they've recovered from worse. That makes me feel even worse.
•	And it goes on and on; never ending.
•	 AntiDem about 3 hours ago
If they could do it, so could you.
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Zon_Kuthon about 3 hours ago
How do you know that?
•	We are not all as malleable as clay. Some of us have fucked up permanently; you believe in eternal damnation, yet you cannot conceive of worldly failure?
•	How the fuck does that work? And even then; you'd just say that this is our punishment for not being catholic.
•	 AntiDem about 3 hours ago
Once something is proven to be possible, then it's not a question of "can"or "can't", it's just a question of "will" or "won't".
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Zon_Kuthon about 3 hours ago
And there you go; acting like we're all the same again. How long until you say that niggers and whites are the same?
•	It's not a will or won't. I've tried; constantly, and I fail every time. It seems to me that only one of us is really looking at the evidence. And I'm the insane one here!
•	Just because it was possible for someone who is better than I am doesn't mean that I am made of the same material as they are. It's like you don't know anything about me at all!
•	And you wonder why I shitpost on you?
•	 AntiDem about 3 hours ago
I don't. But I'm the one trying to encourage you here.
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Zon_Kuthon about 3 hours ago
No you're not. You're trying to kick me down because I haven't recovered yet. Or at least; that's how it reads.
•	 AntiDem about 3 hours ago
AHA!
•	You used that magic word: "yet".
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Zon_Kuthon about 3 hours ago
And that really doesn't mean anything. I recover some days; and some days I backslide worse than ever.
•	 AntiDem about 3 hours ago
So you could. And I agree.
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Zon_Kuthon about 3 hours ago
I've already stated that.
•	 AntiDem about 3 hours ago
Yup. But you don't know what will happen in a year or two or ten. Could be worse, sure. But it's just as likely to be better.
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Zon_Kuthon about 3 hours ago
The fire was lower when I wrote Wetbacks; but the next day, it came back full force. I had a hallucination of a County Sherrif squad car that sat across the road for two whole days.
•	 AntiDem about 3 hours ago
Trippy
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Zon_Kuthon about 3 hours ago
But I do, Ser. In one year from now; I'll still be broke, miserable and living at home. Ten years from now; I'll be in a race to shoot myself before the rest of my family can have me sectioned after Mother Dearest's funeral.
•	It will never really get 'better'. That's an illusion. The past behavior is the only indicator of future behavior. And this is the pattern. Just enough to keep us alive; just enough to ensure that we remain miserable.
•	And yeah; I finally figured it out that it wasn't real yesterday since it didn't have any mud on it at all and we're surrounded by dirt roads.
•	 AntiDem about 3 hours ago
You say that like you know it for sure, but you don't.
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Zon_Kuthon about 3 hours ago
I do. At the very least; by age 50, I'm guaranteed to be stark raving mad. All the men in Old Man's family have gone completely batshit by then.
•	Some of us are just fucked. There has to be losers in order for winning to mean anything, right?
•	 AntiDem about 3 hours ago
It'll be a self-fulfilling prophecy if you believe it.
•	Anyhow, I'm still sick from a cold and whacked out on cinnamon whiskey and Nyquil, so I'm gonna go sleep. We can continue this tomorrow if you like.
•	G'night for now.
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Zon_Kuthon about 3 hours ago
Look man; it's like your faith. You just know it. I can't understand how someone would believe in god in a worshipful manner. I just can't wrap my mind around it. And I didn't start believing this until it ended up happening over and over. And how is it fucking with you if they know you're a jew? Half of them are undecided on the JQ as it is! And the other half can't decide if they want kangz or hitler!
•	And be careful with that; Acetaminophen and Alcohol have this weird way of shutting your kidneys down when you least expect it.