(12:10:09 AM) [CM] Aesop: Hey there
(12:19:29 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Hello!
(12:19:34 AM) [CM] Aesop: How goes it?
(12:20:06 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Alright so far, just trying to keep everything ready for the merger, going to focus on keeping things together internally and seeing how the crime rates go
(12:20:35 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Right now we were using Aurelia to get the clans to non-agress us, you know, cut off any bandwagoning over crime wave anger off before it starts
(12:20:59 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: worked on getting GoM/BoS to agree to 1 month, so hopefully that should give LED some breathing space with our new FDC members
(12:21:18 AM) [CM] Aesop: Interesting times. I know I've had trouble making this newsletter; can't access colonies
(12:21:30 AM) [CM] Aesop: Had to open up maps in AvP2 to get the SSs I need :P
(12:21:59 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Haha for real? I haven't played AvP2 in ages. I used to love that game
(12:22:07 AM) [CM] Aesop: Only used it for old FoM maps haha
(12:22:12 AM) [CM] Aesop: have a .rez file with all of them
(12:22:18 AM) [CM] Aesop: Interesting stuff some
(12:22:24 AM) [CM] Aesop: It's why we need top population
(12:22:27 AM) [CM] Aesop: Need those maps back :D
(12:22:31 AM) [CM] Aesop: Except constantinople
(12:22:35 AM) [CM] Aesop: We can never have that back.
(12:22:39 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: rip
(12:22:49 AM) [CM] Aesop: Indeed. It's actually pretty spiffy
(12:22:57 AM) [CM] Aesop: Unlike Aquatica
(12:23:00 AM) [CM] Aesop: which is boring
(12:23:09 AM) [CM] Aesop: People will be disappointed by that
(12:23:17 AM) [CM] Aesop: Wanted to bring up a couple things though
(12:23:38 AM) [CM] Aesop: First and foremost - outright, I don't dislike you or in any way work against you. I keep hearing this and am bothered by it
(12:23:43 AM) [CM] Aesop: My personal position is
(12:23:43 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: I never got to see a lot of the old planets, a lot of people bring up Aquatica though
(12:23:53 AM) [CM] Aesop: There is nothing you or anyone in FoM could do to make me dislike you
(12:23:56 AM) [CM] Aesop: It's the internet.
(12:23:58 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Well, I'd heard a lot of stuff that you outright hate me
(12:24:01 AM) [CM] Aesop: I've been here a long time :P
(12:24:05 AM) [CM] Aesop: Well
(12:24:10 AM) [CM] Aesop: I heard you heard it from Vlad/Jason
(12:24:12 AM) [CM] Aesop: Correct?
(12:24:16 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Yeah.
(12:24:23 AM) [CM] Aesop: Let me tell you a perfect anecdote
(12:24:29 AM) [CM] Aesop: You know Sellers and Craig Murphy?
(12:24:47 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: I know Sellers, Craig Murphy I only know by what other people have told me
(12:25:18 AM) [CM] Aesop: I'm sure you've heard grand things haha
(12:25:22 AM) [CM] Aesop: Well Craig and I..
(12:25:31 AM) [CM] Aesop: Craig was R6 under Jai and I
(12:25:36 AM) [CM] Aesop: then priv'd by me
(12:25:39 AM) [CM] Aesop: cap demoted by Jai
(12:25:50 AM) [CM] Aesop: So I come home.. last night I think
(12:25:53 AM) [CM] Aesop: Craig IM's me on Steam
(12:26:08 AM) [CM] Aesop: with this apparent chatlog where I say I hate him and he'll never run a faction etc
(12:26:19 AM) [CM] Aesop: And a second IM from sellers saying
(12:26:34 AM) [CM] Aesop: 'Hey just an FYI, I told Craig you hate him and gave him a fake chat log'
(12:26:54 AM) [CM] Aesop: Now, I'm not Craigs biggest fan
(12:27:01 AM) [CM] Aesop: But I have sense not to go running my mouth to people
(12:27:09 AM) [CM] Aesop: And Vlad and Sellers are pals
(12:27:16 AM) [CM] Aesop: And i'm sure you can see where I'm going
(12:28:12 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: I gotcha. So Vlad tends to hear a lot of things sometimes and likes to parrot or make it up?
(12:28:43 AM) [CM] Aesop: Based on what I heard? Yeah. I mean this is all a game of telephone to me
(12:28:50 AM) [CM] Aesop: I don't want to claim someone said something they didn't
(12:28:53 AM) [CM] Aesop: but by that mark
(12:29:03 AM) [CM] Aesop: I don't want someone claiming I said something I didn't want them knowing
(12:29:20 AM) [CM] Aesop: I've been in FoM a while. I know not to tell people things if I don't want it out in the open ;)
(12:30:03 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: So then... you don't dislike/hate me?
(12:30:35 AM) [CM] Aesop: I have no dislike of you
(12:30:44 AM) [CM] Aesop: Like I said - you'd have to come slash my tires
(12:30:47 AM) [CM] Aesop: Then I'd be pissed
(12:30:51 AM) [CM] Aesop: But outside that
(12:30:59 AM) [CM] Aesop: You'll be hard pressed to make me dislike you over the internet
(12:31:36 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Personally I know I'm the youngblood here, and that means I'll likely make mistakes older players might not. But I'm hopeful that maybe being 'younger' can help bring some more energy to the table. There seems to be a lot of burnt out vets in the community, and I'd love to try and change that attitude if I can.
(12:32:24 AM) [CM] Aesop: There's this everpresent issue of 'new blood vs old blood'
(12:32:29 AM) [CM] Aesop: I say that's bull
(12:32:40 AM) [CM] Aesop: We need leaders who don't shittalk the game and the players and can lead
(12:32:44 AM) [CM] Aesop: Often, those are new people
(12:32:52 AM) [CM] Aesop: So we need a balance
(12:33:01 AM) [CM] Aesop: Right now we're gonna do an R7 trial esque period
(12:33:14 AM) [CM] Aesop: Basically either me or a GM with actual, good R7 experience will mentor new R7'
(12:33:15 AM) [CM] Aesop: s
(12:33:21 AM) [CM] Aesop: So we get that fresh idea bonus
(12:33:31 AM) [CM] Aesop: Without the usual new R7 pitfalls. You know, the basic mistakes
(12:34:02 AM) [CM] Aesop: I worked with Nolan as the GM VI R7
(12:34:09 AM) [CM] Aesop: and I know he had some ideas which I was able to say
(12:34:15 AM) [CM] Aesop: 'well in my experience...' etc
(12:34:33 AM) [CM] Aesop: Sidenote - I don't play much so when I do get to play a character, such as Vance Solari
(12:34:36 AM) [CM] Aesop: I am in character
(12:34:37 AM) [CM] Aesop: 100%
(12:34:53 AM) [CM] Aesop: The characters I play are douchebags, don't get me wrong
(12:35:09 AM) [CM] Aesop: But I'm sure you liked having President West as a douchebag on your side Sunday :P
(12:35:40 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Ha, couldn't complain too much about it. The backup was appreciated.
(12:36:26 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: I'm trying my best to help Nolan as well. We're likely going to try and re-lease DMC to him if VI can't find another colony. I know for our part we'd like to help VI break it's 'curse' as well
(12:37:23 AM) [CM] Aesop: Nolan admittedly made mistakes
(12:37:23 AM) [CM] Aesop: I spoke to him about it
(12:37:23 AM) [CM] Aesop: the whole EC fiasco was a bad move
(12:37:23 AM) [CM] Aesop: Which reminds me - we are implementing new guidelines
(12:37:23 AM) [CM] Aesop: Due to that war as a 'last straw;
(12:37:29 AM) [CM] Aesop: mostly regarding declaring war
(12:37:36 AM) [CM] Aesop: War defined as a conflict with world takeovers
(12:37:40 AM) [CM] Aesop: So in reality
(12:37:46 AM) [CM] Aesop: It shouldn't affect you much
(12:37:55 AM) [CM] Aesop: But the tl;dr is
(12:37:59 AM) [CM] Aesop: It'll require CM approval
(12:38:10 AM) [CM] Aesop: Which for the moment means me, since Jove/Meesh don't handle internal stuffs
(12:39:23 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Well, I'm sure as you saw with the last war we're trying to play the straight and narrow so far. We shouldn't have any need of any kind of offensive wars, I'm certain the crime rates will bring the fights to us without any work on our part.
(12:39:52 AM) [CM] Aesop: That's the hope; as always, 'we'll see'
(12:40:00 AM) [CM] Aesop: Nothing is certian in FoM
(12:40:13 AM) [CM] Aesop: Has JesteR spoken to you about the SA topic by the way?
(12:40:56 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: He did approve me doing some advertising, and didn't seem to have any problem with the current set up.
(12:41:30 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: So far it's been a big success I think. I feel like we've seen a lot of retention so far and some of the ones that quit try to spread out to other factions.
(12:41:50 AM) [CM] Aesop: well without finding the topic
(12:41:59 AM) [CM] Aesop: Just be careful what you yourself say
(12:42:01 AM) [CM] Aesop: SA is a big forum
(12:42:05 AM) [CM] Aesop: And every thing you say wrong
(12:42:10 AM) [CM] Aesop: Will come back to me
(12:42:17 AM) [CM] Aesop: Not a threat at all
(12:42:18 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: say wrong?
(12:42:19 AM) [CM] Aesop: but more of a
(12:42:22 AM) [CM] Aesop: not wrong
(12:42:29 AM) [CM] Aesop: Anything you say that can be misconstrued
(12:42:39 AM) [CM] Aesop: Consider everything you say will be looked at by doubtful eyes
(12:42:44 AM) [CM] Aesop: And they send it to me
(12:42:49 AM) [CM] Aesop: Which is fine; I'll just talk to you
(12:42:54 AM) [CM] Aesop: But they talk to others and cause problems
(12:43:09 AM) [CM] Aesop: So I guess I'm saying - try and be as milquetoast as possible in that thread
(12:43:26 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: I try my best :)
(12:43:35 AM) [CM] Aesop: Don't get me wrong
(12:43:39 AM) [CM] Aesop: I come from a forum too
(12:43:44 AM) [CM] Aesop: With other people from there
(12:43:52 AM) [CM] Aesop: But not at the same level as SA
(12:44:34 AM) [CM] Aesop: On that note
(12:44:43 AM) [CM] Aesop: Given the new duties in your position
(12:44:48 AM) [CM] Aesop: And Icarus' rank in LED
(12:45:01 AM) [CM] Aesop: I was wondering your thoughtis on a co-r7 with him
(12:45:11 AM) [CM] Aesop: Initially the idea was knives but
(12:45:24 AM) [CM] Aesop: With school coming up and him wanting to take it easy, he's heading off to MotB
(12:45:31 AM) [CM] Aesop: Plus you guys have gone head to head enough :P
(12:46:07 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Yeah, I can understand that. I think for now I'd like to try leading it solo and see how it goes, but Icarus has been a big help so far.
(12:46:28 AM) [CM] Aesop: My concern is this
(12:46:37 AM) [CM] Aesop: When I started in LED
(12:46:38 AM) [CM] Aesop: we had
(12:46:40 AM) [CM] Aesop: patrols
(12:46:42 AM) [CM] Aesop: DMC
(12:46:50 AM) [CM] Aesop: swat
(12:46:54 AM) [CM] Aesop: iad
(12:46:55 AM) [CM] Aesop: and ead
(12:47:01 AM) [CM] Aesop: and we never ever had less than 30 online
(12:47:07 AM) [CM] Aesop: now we have
(12:47:20 AM) [CM] Aesop: High Command
Dominion Militia Volunteers
Dominion Training Academy
Dominion Airforce
Global Precinct
Interstellar Police Agency

(12:47:31 AM) [CM] Aesop: and admittedly, it's been downsized but
(12:47:40 AM) [CM] Aesop: I think there would be benefit to a
(12:47:45 AM) [CM] Aesop: party b, so to say
(12:48:04 AM) [CM] Aesop: You know Brad certainly, yeah
(12:48:07 AM) [CM] Aesop: ?*
(12:48:37 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Possibly, but so far I think we have a good structure in place. The FDC HC, LED HC and I all have had really extensive discussions about what we'd like to do to make things work between us all and I think we've found a nice balance so far.
(12:48:42 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Yeah, I remember Brad
(12:49:02 AM) [CM] Aesop: well brad and i were co-r7's
(12:49:08 AM) [CM] Aesop: And we never got along 100%
(12:49:11 AM) [CM] Aesop: But
(12:49:17 AM) [CM] Aesop: this is what generally whatwould happen
(12:49:20 AM) [CM] Aesop: brad or i would have an idea
(12:49:24 AM) [CM] Aesop: other would disagree
(12:49:29 AM) [CM] Aesop: And Brad and I are arrogant people
(12:49:32 AM) [CM] Aesop: So we'd spar on it
(12:49:34 AM) [CM] Aesop: For a while.
(12:49:37 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: I also know Destiny Bound told me he was interested in being Co-R7s if I ever agreed to the position
(12:49:39 AM) [CM] Aesop: But at the end?
(12:49:56 AM) [CM] Aesop: He and I came to a better solution then either of us would have initially thought of
(12:50:21 AM) [CM] Aesop: This is my thinking
(12:50:38 AM) [CM] Aesop: You are new ideas, and some have been tried and failed, some have not been tried and could work great
(12:50:48 AM) [CM] Aesop: Icarus has seen some ideas fail, and could tell you of them, and refine them
(12:50:55 AM) [CM] Aesop: You're both open minded
(12:50:57 AM) [CM] Aesop: But opinionated
(12:51:03 AM) [CM] Aesop: And thus
(12:51:09 AM) [CM] Aesop: Could work well
(12:51:20 AM) [CM] Aesop: I've worked with Icarus a lot, as staff and a player
(12:51:41 AM) [CM] Aesop: I think both of you together could turn LED into something better than we've seen since 2009
(12:51:52 AM) [CM] Aesop: And this is the chance to do it
(12:52:14 AM) [CM] Aesop: You have an oppurtunity in front of you that a ton of former commissioners would dream of
(12:52:21 AM) [CM] Aesop: I just want to be sure it's capitalized on
(12:53:30 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: I can understand where your coming from, I think Icarus can be a great guy too. I just think I'd prefer to see how things work out by myself at the top for a while and see how it works out.
(12:53:39 AM) [CM] Aesop: The problem is
(12:53:45 AM) [CM] Aesop: This is the only time for this
(12:53:53 AM) [CM] Aesop: In a while it won't be the new LED merged
(12:53:58 AM) [CM] Aesop: It'll just be what it is.
(12:54:13 AM) [CM] Aesop: Any hanges at that point
(12:54:18 AM) [CM] Aesop: Will just be another day in FoM
(12:55:03 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: You mean the symbolism?
(12:55:20 AM) [CM] Aesop: It's not so much symbolism as how the rest of the community and even LED sees it
(12:55:25 AM) [CM] Aesop: Everyone will be watching LED come tomorrow
(12:55:31 AM) [CM] Aesop: After that, no, not at all more than usual
(12:55:44 AM) [CM] Aesop: You've been at the top of LED solo for a while
(12:56:03 AM) [CM] Aesop: Perhaps it is time to take someone else to help, especially when that person has experience in the FDc
(12:56:09 AM) [CM] Aesop: Yet has been in the LED for a couple years now
(12:58:17 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Well, I've been at it for a month now. I think this close to the wire it'd be better to just move for stability. I don't feel too pressured on being an R7 solo, and enjoy it so far. I'm just not ready to try co-R7s yet. Besides, I already know Destiny Bound is interested in the position as well, as is Andrew Scythe. There'll be a lot of good people I'm sure to choose from if I'm ever ready for that step.
(12:58:36 AM) [CM] Aesop: Well to be blunt
(12:58:42 AM) [CM] Aesop: The second R7 is not solely up to you
(12:58:51 AM) [CM] Aesop: I've already been told Destiny Bound is not an option
(12:59:05 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Ah, I see then.
(12:59:16 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Well, I'm sure there'll be plenty of choices then later if I'm ready.
(12:59:46 AM) [CM] Aesop: It's the factions readiness I'm concerned about
(1:00:04 AM) [CM] Aesop: So far the organization in LED has been honestly, disconcerting
(1:00:21 AM) [CM] Aesop: And I've gotten that impression from players in mails and support tickets
(1:00:37 AM) [CM] Aesop: It's a matter of keeping fresh ideas in
(1:00:42 AM) [CM] Aesop: As well as organization
(1:01:55 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: I think the organization will work out. We've got a new structure we're planning to work from come the merger, and we can see where it goes.
(1:02:24 AM) [CM] Aesop: Well my concern stems from the organization so far.
(1:02:41 AM) [CM] Aesop: Sporadic departments coming up
(1:02:56 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Which ones?
(1:03:05 AM) [CM] Aesop: viper precinct comes to mind
(1:03:12 AM) [CM] Aesop: which existed oddly alongside SWAT
(1:03:18 AM) [CM] Aesop: the SA department rank issues
(1:03:32 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Yeah, Viper was CPD and our answer to crime rates before the merger was revealed to me
(1:03:42 AM) [CM] Aesop: CPD is tactical
(1:03:45 AM) [CM] Aesop: And you had tactical
(1:04:13 AM) [CM] Aesop: What is 'Dominion Airforce'
(1:04:19 AM) [CM] Aesop: And Militia Volunteers?
(1:04:40 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Tactical was made after Viper on a trial basis because Drew Scythe wanted to try a department specialized in speed/MW capturing, we decided it wasn't worth a new department.
(1:04:49 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Dominion Airforce? You'd have to ask Icarus :)
(1:05:02 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Militia Volunteers is a more RP sensitive name for the SA department.
(1:05:29 AM) [CM] Aesop: So the SA departments still going
(1:05:32 AM) [CM] Aesop: And thats the thing
(1:05:35 AM) [CM] Aesop: A department is a big dela
(1:05:45 AM) [CM] Aesop: It shoudlnt' be something you don't know about
(1:05:50 AM) [CM] Aesop: And I'm not opposing you here
(1:06:00 AM) [CM] Aesop: So no need to trynd point out something against Icarus.
(1:06:39 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: oh I mean I genuinely don't know. I saw that he founded it, I just haven't asked him what he wants it to be yet
(1:06:50 AM) [CM] Aesop: Generally
(1:07:11 AM) [CM] Aesop: Departments probably shouldn't be founded until the HC knows their purpose
(1:07:11 AM) [CM] Aesop: That seems a bit odd to me is all
(1:07:46 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Yeah, I'll have to ask him about it tommorow.
(1:08:45 AM) [CM] Aesop: The more or less bottom line of it is - in the month, month and a half you've been R7 I've seen good ideas middled by misguided management
(1:09:03 AM) [CM] Aesop: I would be much more comfortable knowing you were working with someone who could balance out your skill set
(1:09:17 AM) [CM] Aesop: If you disagree, I'm not going to hodge podge you together with someone
(1:09:22 AM) [CM] Aesop: But LED is critical to the game
(1:09:32 AM) [CM] Aesop: And I need it operating at the maximum it can, no less, not now
(1:09:45 AM) [CM] Aesop: So this is not a matter of my ego, nor yours
(1:10:00 AM) [CM] Aesop: It's a matter of ensuring the integral part of this game is running the best it can
(1:10:04 AM) [CM] Aesop: Nothing else is relevant
(1:11:49 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Yeah, LED gets most of the new playerse. Right now, people are already cagey about the changes. I think keeping things as stable as possible for now is the best course of action, and I'll remain open to one day taking a co-R7. I just don't think that time is now.
(1:12:19 AM) [CM] Aesop: The time is unlikely to come up again unfortunately
(1:12:24 AM) [CM] Aesop: The time to make changes is now
(1:12:40 AM) [CM] Aesop: So if you're unwilling to divide your leadership over the LED
(1:12:54 AM) [CM] Aesop: It's likely that's how it will remain for the foreseeable future
(1:13:39 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: I understand. I sincerely believe between the staff and the HC, it'll work out fine. :)
(1:14:11 AM) [CM] Aesop: I wish I shared the same optimism but as I said
(1:14:21 AM) [CM] Aesop: Given the organization has been questionable thus far
(1:14:30 AM) [CM] Aesop: And your unwillingness to hear out my thoughts before
(1:14:33 AM) [CM] Aesop: My concerns remain
(1:15:51 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Well, maybe it'll surprise you in a good way. We'll all keep doing our best on our end.
(1:16:02 AM) [CM] Aesop: I can't deal in surprises.
(1:16:34 AM) [CM] Aesop: As such I cannot operate on surprises
(1:16:37 AM) [CM] Aesop: Or crossed fingers.
(1:17:27 AM) [CM] Aesop: Maybe I'm wrong but I'm getting the impression your choices are based on your personal thoughts
(1:17:36 AM) [CM] Aesop: And not on whether the LED will be served better
(1:17:45 AM) [CM] Aesop: I hope I'm wrong but nothing leads me to that right now
(1:18:08 AM) [CM] Aesop: I've gotten complaints about favoritism
(1:18:39 AM) [CM] Aesop: So no, I cannot sit here and just hope for the best
(1:18:59 AM) [CM] Aesop: I need to operate to ensure the game remains viable
(1:19:12 AM) [CM] Aesop: Nothing less
(1:19:13 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: Me either. That's why I'm working daily to help the faction. I get that we may never alleviate all your concerns, but LED seems to be working and the playerbase happy. We'll keep working to do that and make sure the game stays viable.
(1:19:34 AM) [CM] Aesop: I would like to know your opposition to a co-r7.
(1:21:49 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: There are no other factions with co-R7s. In my brief time in game, I've heard of several co-R7s that ended up disasterously, and a few that worked out. I don't feel stressed or burnt out, so I see no need to change things as far as being R7 goes.
(1:22:11 AM) [CM] Aesop: There are no other factions with co-R7' purely due to me disallowing it. But
(1:22:13 AM) [CM] Aesop: MotB will have two
(1:22:22 AM) [CM] Aesop: And LED will have far more to contend with
(1:22:32 AM) [CM] Aesop: Most co-R7's worked fine
(1:22:36 AM) [CM] Aesop: And the poblem isn't
(1:22:39 AM) [CM] Aesop: If you'll excuse me
(1:22:42 AM) [CM] Aesop: Your stress
(1:22:45 AM) [CM] Aesop: It is the faction
(1:22:53 AM) [CM] Aesop: An eighth of the game
(1:23:07 AM) [CM] Aesop: While I do share concern for R7's and understand the position
(1:23:11 AM) [CM] Aesop: My concern has to be the game
(1:24:28 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: That's not a burden you bear alone. I think we both just want what's best for the game, and even if we disagree on how to reach that point, I hope we'll learn to trust and work with each other to make this a more fun experience for everyone.
(1:25:04 AM) scoops@chat.fomportal.com/Home: I apologize for cutting this short, but I should get to bed. We all have to be ready for the merger after all. Take care Aesop, good night :)
(1:25:06 AM) [CM] Aesop: It's not a matter of trust
(1:25:17 AM) [CM] Aesop: We'll need to continue this discussion tomorrow then
(1:25:21 AM) [CM] Aesop: It's not a matter of trust
(1:25:28 AM) [CM] Aesop: And the burden is different, unfortunately