Rebuttal of Rebuttal of Rebuttal Against Homosexuality

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  1. **Disproving the theory of Homosexual Genes.**
  2. """That article linked does not do that though. It merely argues that the actual causes can't be boiled down to a single origin."""
  3. It does. It rebuttes studies that have claimed to found a "Gay gene". Read it well.
  4. """>Debates over homosexuality are often presented in terms of a false dichotomy—either a person is “born gay,” or a person “chooses to be gay.” The truth lies between these two extremes."""
  5. It's more like their chemical imbalance that turns them gay. Which coincidentally is PROVEN to cause anxiety and depression.
  6. """There are genetic factors
  8. The Darwinian paradox of male homosexuality in humans is examined, i.e. if male homosexuality has a genetic component and homosexuals reproduce less than heterosexuals, then why is this trait maintained in the population? In a sample of 98 homosexual and 100 heterosexual men and their relatives (a total of over 4600 individuals), we found that female maternal relatives of homosexuals have higher fecundity than female maternal relatives of heterosexuals and that this difference is not found in female paternal relatives. The study confirms previous reports, in particular that homosexuals have more maternal than paternal male homosexual relatives, that homosexual males are more often later-born than first–born and that they have more older brothers than older sisters. We discuss the findings and their implications for current research on male homosexuality.
  10. ..Not even genetic. It details how Homosexuals are more late-born, AKA they have older sibilings.
  12. """"""
  13. Again, it speaks of genetic influences. Not genetic codes that specifically make someone attracted to different sexes.
  14. And the twinstudies have shown that homosexuality isn't genetic, it's dependant on your hormones. This is why gay people are extremely sexually active; because they spend so much Testosterone for sexual pleasure. Diet also affects hormones.
  16. """"""
  17. This study is the exact same of the late-born one.
  19. """
  20. In men, sexual orientation correlates with the number of older brothers, each additional older brother increasing the odds of homosexuality by approximately 33%."""
  22. For the third fucking time, same paper. I already addressed this.
  23. """"""
  24. Thirty-eight pairs of monozygotic twins (34 male pairs and 4 female pairs) were found to have a concordance rate of 65.8% for homosexual orientation. Twenty-three pairs of dizygotic twins were found to have a concordance rate of 30.4% for homosexual orientation.
  26. Wouldn't this disprove homosexual genes anyway?
  28. """that influence things as well as the environment
  30. the person lives in."""
  32. Environment is a factor, but the biggest factor is chemicals (hormones). Imbalance leads to countless health problems, which homosexuals have proven to have.
  34. """This article is absolute trite, and plays exclusively with really dumb semantic arguments, and using its definition technically homosexuality can be qualified as a disorder, because everything that is not completely done by the absolute majority is a disorder, and it is apparently totally irrelevant that trying to suppress the "disorder" has more negative effects than positive. And the author is deliberately and absolutely unjustifiably ignoring the most basic criterion for an illness which a disorder would be:
  35. necessary impairment of functioning."""
  36. He calls it a disorder because, well, IT IS. Medical dictionaries state the definition simplistically:
  37. disorder
  38. n.  An ailment that affects the function of mind or body.
  40. Lack of reproduction is a disorder. Lack of testosterone is a disorder. The fact most homosexuals are mentally ill in some way or another could actually prove it's a disorder aswell. There are so many things in it that qualify as a disorder.
  42. Don't nag, you're just using your coping mechanism.
  44. """>As has been shown, though, adjustment and social functioning are irrelevant to determining whether the sexual deviations are mental disorders.
  45. Except he never shows this."""
  46. Behavior Adjustment and social functioning is not correlated to homosexuals having sexual deviations.
  48. "Furthermore the Linacre Quarterly, the publication in which this has been published is "a peer-reviewed academic journal that was established in 1932. It is the official journal of the Catholic Medical Association and primarily focuses on the relationship between medicine and spirituality" Honestly this article alone having absolutely no basis in reality and being just full of false equivalences and unsubstantiated core points makes the journal questionnable. It has a ridiculously low impact factor, close to the lowest that can be measured on the only scale that measures this journal, and is little more than opinion pieces. I could debunk the entire several dozen page article, but it's wasted time, as the core points boil down to those above, which make no sense."
  49. Judging a study because of religion. Irrelevant point diaperboy. In the world of Science, regardless of the source, you must examine the tests in order to prove them true. You have so far misused studies and used heavily emotional views as arguments, which is fallacious.
  51. **Gays are 60x more likely to have HIV then straight men:**
  52. "First of all the study is conflating data obtained in 1988 about the estimate of homosexual numbers with the current number of homosexual. Second, the rates it establishes are still incredibly fucking low to the tone of a few percent. And yes, with HIV having been primarily spread through the more sexually liberal gay communities in the 70s, it's no wonder that that is still noticeable, even though the rates are going down, and at the moment you're only twice as likely to get HIV from male on male sexual contact than you are from heterosexual contact."
  53. Literally prove this.
  55. **1/8 gays & bisexuals in London has HIV**
  56. """"See above, with the addendum that HIV rates are literally non seuitur to homosexuality being bad."""
  57. how
  58. """If heterosexuality would have been the forerunner of sexual liberation in the 70s, heterosexuals would have this much HIV."""
  59. That's not how STD/STI's work. One of the primary reasons why homosexuals have HIV is because of constant anal sex.
  60. "Plus "having a disease" is not a condemnation of a person or group of people."
  61. Unless the rate is over 80%. lmao. excuses
  62. """Also: in the very same article you posted:
  63. >Cary James, Head of Health Improvement at Terrence Higgins Trust, said: “Gay and bisexual men continue to be disproportionately affected by HIV, yet these figures show the community is testing more regularly and making significant headway at driving down undiagnosed infection"""
  65. This means nothing.
  67. **In Australia 25% of gays have had more then 100 sex partners**
  68. **Other things about sexual promiscuity**
  69. """Apart from moralizing do you have any sort of reasoning why one should condemn this if they are doing it safely?"""
  70. Heterosexuals have an average of 8 partners in their lifetime. This generally means homosexuals have an unstable relationship.
  72. """Ah you mean the article titled: "Prejudice, Social Stress, and Mental Health in Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Populations: Conceptual Issues and Research Evidence"
  73. You are literally complicit in this. This is a condemnation of the likes of you, not of gays."""
  74. Bullying is not an argument at all. You don't disregard studies by saying "uhhhh discrimination" when half the articles are recent, meaning homosexuals have very little "prejudice" they face.
  75. Quit nagging, fag. You know bullying is no excuse. Quit using emotions.
  77. **99.8% of lesbian, gay and bisexual teens will change their sexual orientation within 13 years**
  78. """Yes, because for some it is actually just a phase. Experimenting with ones sexuality is natural, and has always been."""
  79. Breaking the biological norm is not natural, unless you define what natural is, which you haven't.
  81. """Homosexual attraction also proved to be more stable than bisexual attraction."""
  82. But in the end, still worse than heterosexuals.
  84. """This article
  86. additionally contradicts this claim
  87. >Ten percent of males and 20% of females at some point described themselves as a sexual minority, [of]13,840 youth ages 12–25  
  88. Which is coinciding with at least 4.5% of the entire population being homosexual. Assuming that the population isn't shifting towards more homosexuality (which it could be the data is still out, because the large surveys used methodology that isn't perfect) this means that out of 15% LGBT in adolescence, about 5% remain, so 66% go back to being straight, not 99.8"""
  89. This essentially proves my point though, majority of homosexuals DO turn straight.
  91. **images**
  92. These are the most infuriating things, because they contain unsourced and absolutely hogwash data, with the sexual abuse claims being particularly infuriating and having been debunked countless times
  93. """>Are homosexual adults in general sexually attracted to children and are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homosexual adults than from heterosexual adults? There is no reason to believe so. The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual (Groth & Gary, 1982, p. 147)."""
  94. Soon the correlation between homosexuality and pedophilia have been found and the link is significant. Too significant for the likes of you to ignore.
  96. """also
  98. I've already disproved this. Do you not remember?
  100. ""
  101. Many lesbians and gay men are parents. In the 2000 U. S. Census, 33% of female same-sex couple households and 22% of male same-sex couple households reported at least one child under the age of 18 living in the home.
  103. This contradicts with your previous link.
  105. The article is a lie aswell. It ultimately denies every claim without going further into it or elaborating why. Even studies that you posted that have claimed lesbians are less maternal were denied in there aswell. You're contradictory.
  107. """"""
  108. This article says absolutely nothing. kek
  110. """The shit about diseases is blaming things on people who had no idea what sexual promiscuity could lead to back then."""
  111. Why is it still thriving to this day?
  112. """The rape and sexual assault thing is probably a reporting error, because people generally rape for power, not out of sexual desire"""
  113. Bullshit. Rape is for pleasure, never a sign of dominance in society.
  115. """and thus the actual attraction does not matter even if it was male on male.""" Quit making excuses.
  117. """The fatality shit is just plain wrong as HIV is practically curable, but at least can be rendered asymptomatic and uninfectious."""
  118. Oh, that's so? Why is the rates high?
  119. """Bug chasers are either not real, or should be treated like serial killers anyway."""
  120. Denial is the first stage of grief. Wait, you've already passed this.
  122. """**It is possible for a gay man to become straight**
  123. >However, only 11 percent of men and 37 percent of women reported a complete absence of homosexual indicators.
  124. So it's literally not going straight just suppressing your true feelings, which works to produce seeming heterosexuality in
  125. >66 percent of the men and 44 percent of women
  126. Who are not a neutral control group, but are from an extremely repressive environment specifically referred by an anti gay church."""
  127. This is probably the only true argument to your side. I was planning on removing this since there are better papers I've found.
  129. "this is not in any way necessary."
  130. This merely showcases an example.
  132. "Yes because reeducating a populace from anti gay indoctrination takes time and effort, and the wellbeing of 1/20th of the population so that they can function is important. Compare this to the money spent on processes and incarceration during decades of active persecution under sodomy laws, and the damage wrought upon the culture by the insane prudish motion picture production code which defined american culture since its inception."
  133. 1/20th? What the fuck? It's 1/100th of the population. If you count pedophiles and rapists, they're 10/100th.
  134. It's almost like 90% of homosexuals are pedophiles and rapists aswell, but society simply segregated the two.
  136. **Transgenders have 41% overall suicide rate and crossdressers have 20% suicide rate, and also over 20% regret transitioning.**
  137. """Well yes, again, they feel awful in their bodies and are facing constant discrimination what the fuck do you expect. This rate declines to barely above normal after transitioning, and those 20%, are actually 6%, and even that was due to other psychological complications before the transitioning and botched surgeries."""
  138. For the love of Mike, Bullying is not a proper anti argument. I've disproved this seconds ago.
  140. """"""
  141. They have merely asked about their satisfaction after surgery. They did not keep up with them later at life.
  142. """"""
  143. This 404's me, so I will leave it like such.
  145. **Children of homosexuals are more opt to be homosexual.**
  146. """>In some analyses for sons, intergenerational transfer was not significant."""
  147. I wonder that more means.
  149. """In either case, even if it was as significant for gays as for lesbians, it would not matter at all, since the environment can have an effect on sexual orientation, but with sexual orientation not being inherently, bad it is not relevant.
  150. This is also a study with absurdly small participant numbers altogether below 100-"""
  151. So were your studies. What're you talking about?
  152. """and as such any statisical conclusion drawn from this is not significant"""
  153. You're merely using this as an excuse.
  154.  """Also the large majority (70%) still end up being straight."""
  155. Learn to read.
  156. """The higher number might also be because the kids growing up in these families are in an environment that is definitely not repressive towards nonstandard orientations, and could thus be more likely to explore their sexuality and discover that they are gay, as opposed to very strict straight households, where they might not even dare to think about being gay."""
  157. I've explained this already. C h e m i c a l  I m b a l a n c e. Don't be scientifically illiterate.
  158. **Successful treatment of GID patients.**
  159. """Yes and some success has also been reported in lithium based approaches, and it should in all cases remain an option, but this is just a single case study. This is not statistically relevant at all, and might also not work for the remaining 99.99999% of transsexuals on the planet. And trying different treatment methods instead of trying something that is guaranteed to work in almost all cases, (hormone therapygender reassignment) exposes the individual to a longer timeframe of suffering with suicidal tendencies, and thus can not be condoned. And while the avoidance of surgery might be a benefit, it still ends up with the person having to take medicine every day until the rest of their life."""
  160. I rather eat medicine every day than die at 30.
  162. **Homosexuality linked to childhood abuse:**
  163. """Without looking at every article there, this is a bunch of garbage."""
  164. kek, that just means you haven't read them. Amazing.
  165. """a) some articles directly contradict that statement and are in fact statements about how the initial publications made methodological errors that make their data useless"""
  166. Wrong. The articles used different approaches for their results. Repeating the same thing won't make it any better. Quality tops quantity.
  167. """"""
  168. All it criticizes is how he didn't get too deep into the factors that affect them. That is literally it. It sounds even more like an excuse when you read it.
  170. """b) some articles seem to conflate abuse that might have been experienced because of signs of the homosexual orientation with abuse leading to homosexual orientation"""
  171. No? These are kids for fucks sake, they don't even feel sexually active, let alone gay.
  172. """"""
  173. Proves my point, lol. It IS correlated.
  174. """c) some articles included literally contain nothing pertaining to the matter at hand"""
  175. Not even an argument, just poor disregarding.
  176. """"""
  177. Ditto. It is correlated.
  179. """d) finally if one disregards all this and the concerns raised by the contradicting articles, that correlation does not imply causation, then one is still left with the problem of all this not mattering. It could be that traumatic events trigger introspection and a reevaluation of oneself, and thus a discovery of traits one already had. Through what means one arrives at the state of being gay or straight is purely of academic importance."""
  180. Huge correlation CAN lead to causation. Can, not necessarily will. So far this is all excuses.
  182. """The article in question is actually of the opinion that having clear cut homosexual heterosexual boundaries is nonsense, precisely because people may engage in either activity naturally and later have different attractions."""
  183. You still didn't define naturally.
  184. """It can be regarded as just an exploration of options - otherwise how the heck would one know"""
  185. papers????
  187. **Claims that gay parents are just as capable of raising children as straight parents are misrepresented.**
  188. """That's not what the article says, the article talks about differences being downplayed, not misrepresented, most importantly the sexual orientation thing, which could be an interesting *scientific* question, as i myself already stated above, as it explores new pathways for any possible correlation to arise, suggesting for example:
  189. >whether selection effects produced by homophobia account for associations between parental sexual orientations and child outcomes"""
  190. And it still stands outright. If you feel uncomfortable, I already sent you another graph before.
  193. **Between 24% and 90% of lesbians report being psychologically abused by their partners.**
  194. """Literally anything can be classified as psychological abuse, which is why a lot of people don't use that metric."""
  195. Define it.
  196. """Also, the article says:
  197. >About 17-45% of lesbians report having been the victim of a least one act of physical violence perpetrated by a lesbian partner
  198. >1 in 4 women and 1 in 7 men have been victims of severe physical violence (e.g. beating, burning, strangling) by an intimate partner in their lifetime. ("""
  199. Still proves my point, albeit disproportional. But I don't recall this in my article.
  204. 3 hours spent for nothing. I finished this in 20 minutes and have consistently proven you wrong while half asleep. I recognize your effort, but it's effort for nothing.
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