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[00:31:44] rainbowsaurus: i can give you some background if you want to know why this all started
[00:32:00] rainbowsaurus: im not about the fighting over it, but i do think there needs to be an attitude shift
[00:32:10] meanmike: rainbowsaurus: what do you have against helping faction mates meanmike?...you KNOW better
[00:32:14] rainbowsaurus: so if thats something that could be brought to leadership, i think everyone would be the better
[00:32:33] rainbowsaurus: tbf, you're acting defensive when you're one of the biggest instigators
[00:32:53] rainbowsaurus: instead of trying to listen to him, you're brushing off the problem and acting like it was all sullengenie
[00:32:56] meanmike: well, i was willing to do that before, but just know, that if you guys came at kinzove like that, he woulda tore you both to shreds, matter of fact, i wish you guys would take this to him, and by all means be just as mean about it
[00:33:25] rainbowsaurus: if he kept going on ignoring it and treating us like we're nothing, then yes we likely would have
[00:33:30] rainbowsaurus: and i might have quit the faction afterwards
[00:33:46] rainbowsaurus: i dont know, i dont care
[00:34:08] meanmike: yeah, because i plant my ass at this desk all day and night leading and hitting, so when someone comes at us like they desrve the same consideration for doing half the work , well....yeah
[00:34:20] rainbowsaurus: but i'll give you some background anyways so at least you know what was going on
[00:34:57] rainbowsaurus: i've told him for months that those who run the chains get most of the bonuses
[00:35:09] rainbowsaurus: and thats a thing i dont complain to anyone else but him on
[00:35:09] meanmike: thts true, sadly
[00:35:20] rainbowsaurus: so im not trying to start drama on it, i promise
[00:35:35] meanmike: i was boitching about bonus hits today,and i get more than most, its just a supply and demand thing, but i maintain, ya gotta ask
[00:35:42] rainbowsaurus: but i think the thing that sparked it was he saw a bunch of chains that were being run
[00:35:47] rainbowsaurus: and said, wow, i think you're right
[00:35:50] rainbowsaurus: and then looked at the data
[00:36:06] rainbowsaurus: and said he can pull out the 6 people that steal nearly every bonus
[00:36:18] rainbowsaurus: i still haven't looked at that data because i already gave up caring about wars
[00:36:29] rainbowsaurus: but i trust him
[00:37:10] rainbowsaurus: and so we were talking about how people try to give the chain merits to new birds the first day of war
[00:37:12] meanmike: today i ran a chain,  guess how many bonuses i got ? zero....there arent many perks or rewards for the work that we put in to makethis thing work
[00:37:21] rainbowsaurus: so this wars data kinda doesnt say anything
[00:37:42] rainbowsaurus: meanmike, i don't say a word usually too, except for now
[00:38:12] rainbowsaurus: but yeah, he saw that there were like 2-3 people who really got the low end of the stick
[00:38:23] meanmike: well, you know damn well what i do for all the new people that come in here , netoring them is EASILY the hardest part of this game for me, and i dont get shit for it
[00:38:29] rainbowsaurus: and wants to make people aware, because they have respect merits they need to be aiming for one day as well
[00:38:44] meanmike: mentoring**
[00:39:02] meanmike: i give them money, i line them up jobs, i find them places to live, arrange marriages
[00:39:10] meanmike: and it takes most of my day sometimes
[00:39:23] rainbowsaurus: ok, thats great, im sure its well appreciated by them as well
[00:39:27] rainbowsaurus: and we can talk about that after
[00:39:32] rainbowsaurus: but its unrelated to war bonuses
[00:39:41] meanmike: but it IS related to THIS
[00:39:43] meanmike: rainbowsaurus: what do you have against helping faction mates meanmike?
[00:39:50] rainbowsaurus: *selective
[00:39:56] meanmike: ammended
[00:40:26] rainbowsaurus: you were effectively saying that you don't care about others during bonuses
[00:40:39] rainbowsaurus: oh, except those that like to talk a lot
[00:40:44] meanmike: not once did i say that
[00:40:53] meanmike: i said if ya want em, ask for em,
[00:41:00] meanmike: which is the same thing kinz has said for months
[00:41:00] rainbowsaurus: you're arguing his idea of equitable distribution
[00:41:16] rainbowsaurus: and acting like we shouldn't spread good around the whole facation
[00:41:34] rainbowsaurus: its kind of a bad attitude to take, and justifying it with other actions
[00:41:40] meanmike: well, there is another train of thought that goes back to what i was saying about the perks and rewards of leadership and chain leading being nil....i think bonus hits is pretty much it
[00:41:50] rainbowsaurus: yes, i can hit this person with my car, because i donated a lot of money to homeless kids in africa
[00:42:08] meanmike: thats retarded and as off base as his silly gender mention
[00:42:13] rainbowsaurus: ok then take your bonus hits
[00:42:17] meanmike: where the hell did THAT come from anyway , lol
[00:42:25] rainbowsaurus: im not gonna complain about it again, im just trying to tell you the background
[00:43:05] meanmike: yeah, a new guy that hasnt done a fraction of the work of the people hes complaining about has come in to tell us all we are all a bunch of selfish pricks that dont care about our members ....got it
[00:43:43] rainbowsaurus: well, he's not exactly a new guy
[00:43:56] rainbowsaurus: and he's right
[00:44:13] rainbowsaurus: but yes, you guys who put in the work to lead chains certainly do get more priority in my opinion
[00:44:30] rainbowsaurus: and i also did point out other circumstances in the data that can't be explained by just looking at the data
[00:44:43] rainbowsaurus: such as when no one else can hit targets so they call in kinzove for help
[00:45:22] rainbowsaurus: hitting the right target faction is and always will be most important
[00:45:47] meanmike: right, theres a lot that goes into it
[00:45:53] rainbowsaurus: and even timing.
[00:46:06] rainbowsaurus: if someone in bonus faction signs on, need to get the hits out quick so they dont fly away
[00:46:06] meanmike: im just saying accusing leadership, especially me of selfishness kinda make the whole point moot
[00:46:18] rainbowsaurus: and sometimes coordinating getting someone else to do that is like herding sheep
[00:46:40] rainbowsaurus: well when i had to steal bonuses last war to get a first one
[00:46:45] rainbowsaurus: after asking many times
[00:46:59] rainbowsaurus: and being told "sorry, i dont care you've only earned 1.5k respect. im trying to get 10k respect merit"
[00:47:06] rainbowsaurus: which i think was handsomepants, not you
[00:47:23] rainbowsaurus: i kinda get annoyed at the selfish ones that don't look out for others
[00:47:35] meanmike: its gonna be in every faction you go to kiddo
[00:47:47] rainbowsaurus: thats fine
[00:47:52] rainbowsaurus: ima just do my min hits
[00:48:00] rainbowsaurus: get my min bonuses
[00:48:04] rainbowsaurus: and move on with my life
[00:48:17] meanmike: at least here , we love ya, and as much as i didnt agree with what sullen said, i told him immediately i would take it to leadership, so he was heard and treated fairly
[00:48:36] meanmike: and then ...i was a sexist ....
[00:48:40] rainbowsaurus: yeah, i dont think leadership will care though
[00:48:48] rainbowsaurus: lol, you brought up the horible assertive argument
[00:48:53] meanmike: meh, it may open an eye or two, awareness is a start
[00:48:56] rainbowsaurus: if you just delete that argument from your memory, you'll be fine
[00:49:14] meanmike: assertiveness has nothing to do with gender, has he even friggin met Rayne ???
[00:49:15] rainbowsaurus: well we did talk with toke, handsomepants, and cartis about it already
[00:49:23] rainbowsaurus: and i have to say, their chains are a lot friendlier now
[00:49:33] meanmike: i bet ya didnt come at em like ya did me
[00:49:40] meanmike: i swear i wish kinz was on for that
[00:49:42] rainbowsaurus: nope
[00:49:45] rainbowsaurus: i went harder
[00:49:56] rainbowsaurus: because handsomepants was the one i was most peeved at
[00:51:01] rainbowsaurus: alllllllll i want is a friendly and supportive faction that looks out for each other
[00:51:06] rainbowsaurus: and i know you want that too
[00:51:55] meanmike: i do
[00:52:24] meanmike: but im a member too, and you guys just shit on everything ive done to help this faction be better by insinuating im selfish
[00:52:35] meanmike: there had to be a better way to put that
[00:53:29] rainbowsaurus: i dont think it was meant for you in particular, until you started making excuses for the behavior
[00:53:42] rainbowsaurus: not listening is never helpful
[00:54:02] rainbowsaurus: not to mention you insinuating a lot of things too :/
[00:58:06] meanmike: i listened, and i said id take it to leadership, like 2 minutes in
[00:58:31] meanmike: and i didnt insinuate anything exxcept what everyone else in the channel is trying to tell you guys now
[00:58:36] rainbowsaurus: nah, you made excuses and then tagged on the "but i'll take it to leadership" afterwards
[00:58:53] meanmike: i dunno, maybe we are all wrong and you guys are right /shrug
[01:00:24] meanmike:  meanmike: he can look out for himself by hittin the gym more, imo , but we hear ya
[01:00:27] meanmike: was the first thing i said
[01:00:45] rainbowsaurus: lol
[01:00:52] meanmike: and this was the 2nd
[01:00:53] rainbowsaurus: yeah, everything you said had no relation to the actual point
[01:00:56] meanmike:  meanmike: well, i can assure you, no one is shutting him out on purpose, ill take your beef to the other leaders though
[01:01:00] rainbowsaurus: hitting the gym had nothing to do with the point
[01:01:12] meanmike: those werre my first two replies...im still looking for my excuses
[01:01:17] rainbowsaurus: we can dissect the conversation if you need to
[01:01:28] meanmike: sure it does, he cant take binuses if he cant kill the friggin target
[01:01:31] rainbowsaurus: and i can point out every instance where you talk around the point
[01:01:35] rainbowsaurus: and treat him like he has nothing to say
[01:02:05] meanmike: oh, he said plenty
[01:02:05] rainbowsaurus: there sure are enough bonuses to fit him in some
[01:02:22] meanmike: yeah, but like lil bro said , no one is a mind reader
[01:02:33] rainbowsaurus: it doesnt take mind reading
[01:02:40] rainbowsaurus: just some general caring for others
[01:03:10] meanmike: which you have made it clear, we dont do
[01:03:19] rainbowsaurus: sometimes
[01:03:21] rainbowsaurus: and some peopole
[01:03:22] rainbowsaurus: are great at it
[01:03:26] rainbowsaurus: cartis is amazing at it
[01:03:58] meanmike: good, then lets ask cartis if i can have back the over 100m i have given to new chickies since i took over recruitment and mentoring :-)
[01:04:13] rainbowsaurus: yay lets bring in non-sequitars :D
[01:04:15] meanmike: thatd be coo
[01:04:32] meanmike: im just sayin, your argument holds no water when i know exactly what i give to members
[01:04:50] meanmike: youre letting a few bonus hits wipe away daily giving
[01:04:51] rainbowsaurus: and your argument holds no water if you're saying you're nice to them sometimes and a dick othertimes
[01:05:01] meanmike: im never a dick to anyone...first
[01:05:35] rainbowsaurus: ok, then just say that you care about distributing the bonuses and give them lots of moneys
[01:06:00] meanmike: i led a chain today , missed alunch date with a chick i really like and gave away every single binus hit ....
[01:06:09] meanmike: err...yesterday , but still
[01:06:25] meanmike: i didnt take one, and i could have taken them all, i gave them all away
[01:06:30] rainbowsaurus: great, then you are absolutely not the person sullen was complaining about
[01:06:41] rainbowsaurus: not a single bit
[01:06:43] meanmike: then why come at me like that ?
[01:07:06] rainbowsaurus: because you're acting defensively as if you are?
[01:07:18] rainbowsaurus: and ignoring his points and acting like he is too new to have an opinion
[01:07:25] meanmike: i was the one being addressed, and i also know how these things work
[01:07:29] rainbowsaurus: and acting like certain faction members dont deserve support
[01:07:37] meanmike: thats not true, or i woulda just said that to him, trust me
[01:08:02] rainbowsaurus: what was not true?
[01:08:12] meanmike: why dontcha ask greenhaze how many hours we spent in chat when he first joined? or who got him married and on a PI...thats support honey
[01:08:21] meanmike: that hes too new to have an opinion
[01:08:37] rainbowsaurus: [00:43] <meanmike> yeah, a new guy that hasnt done a fraction of the work of the people hes complaining about has come in to tell us all we are all a bunch of selfish pricks that dont care about our members ....got it
[01:08:49] rainbowsaurus: i was referencing your referring to him as a new guy
[01:08:59] meanmike: i said that to you, here in a pm
[01:08:59] rainbowsaurus: as if that was relevant when he's seen chains for just as long as you
[01:09:33] rainbowsaurus: seletive support^^ btw
[01:09:41] meanmike: i didnt say it to him, even though i kinda wanted to :-)
[01:09:49] rainbowsaurus: you can't bring in outside help into this argument and act like its relevant
[01:09:50] rainbowsaurus: its just not
[01:09:56] rainbowsaurus: ok say it to him
[01:09:58] rainbowsaurus: he's right here
[01:10:02] meanmike: ok, youre right, i dont do shit for the members here, ya got me
[01:10:18] rainbowsaurus: ok if you say so
[01:10:20] rainbowsaurus: im not saying that
[01:10:23] rainbowsaurus: im saying its not relevant
[01:10:33] meanmike: i KNOW better, thats why ive been shaking my head for a half hour
[01:11:19] rainbowsaurus: if you ever start being mean to other people, sabotage PI's and marriages and whatnot
[01:11:25] rainbowsaurus: then we can talk about it then
[01:11:37] meanmike: ill take all this to kinz, but i firmly stand behind this...no one else stops a chain to say "hey guys, hows everyone sitting on bonus hits? would anyone like this one?"
[01:12:05] rainbowsaurus: many people, like cartis, know how to ask would anyone like this one
[01:12:14] meanmike: naw, i can say with all my heart and soul, that we wont be talking about what i do in this faction anymore , im good with your perception of my work here
[01:12:22] rainbowsaurus: and again, it doesn't take mind reading to see when someone isn't getting any
[01:12:32] rainbowsaurus: its harder to see middle and top tiers
[01:12:53] rainbowsaurus: but if someone has only 4, and have over 200 hits, thats pretty easy to see
[01:16:00] meanmike: his point was made on his first two sentences, starting a shit show wasnt the way to go
[01:16:16] rainbowsaurus: you ignoring the problem kinda started that
[01:16:20] rainbowsaurus: he just made a point
[01:16:25] rainbowsaurus: and everyone else refused to look at it
[01:16:49] rainbowsaurus: like even now, you're flinging blame all over the place :/
[01:16:56] rainbowsaurus: defensive and avoiding
[01:17:03] rainbowsaurus: that has been your go to all night
[01:17:10] meanmike: there is no blame
[01:17:14] meanmike: its the way things work
[01:17:41] rainbowsaurus: ok, ignoring your blame is fine too
[01:18:08] meanmike: i mean for me personally, im top 5 every single war in hits, for someone that has never been top 5 to demand equal treatment...well, it just doesnt work that way, theres no blame, its just the way things are
[01:18:28] rainbowsaurus: i could be top 5 if i wanted
[01:18:31] rainbowsaurus: i just stopped wanting
[01:18:44] rainbowsaurus: and this is his first war, so i guess we'll see how top he can get
[01:18:47] meanmike: dont believe me, by all means you two can go try another faction, storm in and demand your "fair share" of bonus hits and lemme know how that works out for ya
[01:19:10] meanmike: ill reaccept your apps when you see
[01:19:11] rainbowsaurus: well for now, i'd rather argue for fair treatment for my friends
[01:19:36] rainbowsaurus: but if that doesn't work, maybe i'll go find a place to argue for fair treatment of people i dont know yet
[01:20:09] meanmike: well, ive let our friendship keep my tongue still quite a bit, but trust me, you say half this stuff to kinzove, you wont have to worry about quitting
[01:20:26] meanmike: so if and when you take it to him, id suggest you tone it down some
[01:20:59] rainbowsaurus: thanks for the tip
[01:21:15] meanmike: personally, i hope you disregard it :-)
[01:21:35] rainbowsaurus: lol, even if he doesn't listen, doesn't mean he's right :)
[01:21:45] rainbowsaurus: this isn't my argument though, its sullen's
[01:21:52] rainbowsaurus: i've only complained to him about it before
[01:21:53] meanmike: hes the FL, if he says hes right, hes right
[01:22:03] rainbowsaurus: hahahahHAHAHAHA
[01:22:03] rainbowsaurus: no
[01:22:06] rainbowsaurus: and everyone knows that
[01:22:15] rainbowsaurus: they just dont want to deal with his ego so they just stop talking
[01:22:19] rainbowsaurus: but yeah, doesn't mean he's right
[01:22:22] rainbowsaurus: and everyone knows that
[01:22:28] meanmike: tomato tomatoe
[01:23:59] meanmike: what he says goes, and hes gonna tell ya the same thing i told ya , but prolly not as nicely