Session Start: Mon Sep 07 22:31:30 2015
Session Ident: #MoS:ghelp
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[10:31] * Topic is 'Staff doing staffy things...with staffy staffs and no taffy...boo'
[10:31] * Set by Maleficia!Lucky7@jovl-624-1-232-276.herntx.dsl-w.verizon.net on Sun Aug 23 00:10:45
[10:31] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 o.o yes'm!
[10:31] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» give me a moment.
[10:32] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» I'm going to squash this right here and right now.
[10:32] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 ...squash -what-?
[10:33] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» You do not ever pm someone and argue with them about their characters. You do not ever pm someone and tell them that you dispise something they play. You d not ever pm someone and say any of the things you have said to Seph about his characters.
[10:33] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 ...Oh you have got to be shitting me.
[10:33] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» You do not take ooc info icly, before you think to do that. Tabrid has no knowledge of what's ont he character wiki's
[10:33] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» no...I'm not shitting you
[10:33] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» and neither is she
[10:33] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» I won't tolerate against anyone in this game.
[10:33] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 Am I going to be allowed to respond, or are you going to decide what my motivations and decisions have been all along without asking?
[10:34] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 I don't walk into games, or pm's, with the intent of insulting or offending people.
[10:34] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» Frankly i'm irritated that you thought it was ok to say any of those things
[10:34] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 Not even with Blackfyre or Tria.
[10:34] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» to anyone.
[10:34] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 Hold the damn horses for a moment.
[10:35] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 I asked who he played. He listed his characters. Pointed out I'd missed rattling off his Malkavian Child. To which I said 'oh god, not a child-malk.' And pointed out that in 15 years of IRC TT, I've seen way too many of those.
[10:35] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» I'm not your friends man...they know you. I don't...and you come off as arrogant and insulting, and its not JUST me. I've been hearing it already from several people. Just...calm down dude. Your 15 years...do not entitle you to more opinion then my 15 years or anyones...there are a lot of us in here with 15+ years experience
[10:35] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 Because it is a -stereotype-, right up there with 'Sillymalks'. I could pull a tvtropes page and show you what I mean, but if you've been playing since VT, you know exactly what I'm talking about. That is NOT the same as saying 'YOU ARE PLAYING THIS STEREOTYPE'
[10:36] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 I even specifically SAID that I hadn't met your char and that I had no idea what they were like in details.
[10:36] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» the fact that words were said that were'nt thought about prior to saying them
[10:36] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» is what I'm upset about
[10:36] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 So do NOT drag this into a ST/Player forum and claim that I'm trying to belittle or insult you, OR your characters, OR your roleplaying style.
[10:36] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» if that had been said to a player
[10:36] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» this conversation would be going differently
[10:36] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 You have logs, I have logs, I'll stand behind -everything- I said.
[10:37] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 All I said amounts to the same thing. 'That sounds like a stereotype.' not 'YOU ARE A STEREOTYPE'.
[10:37] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» I can c/p it in here if it makes you happy, but we've all already read them...and if thats what you intended...maybe you said it wrong. Cause again, I'm NOT the only one complaining about this
[10:37] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 I haven't MET your goddamn char, and they're not listed on the site, as you said. I'm not making a personal judgement on you, or your character, or your ability as a roleplayer, so -you- need to calm down and not get so easily offended.
[10:37] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» I'm just the ST pulling you in to talk to you
[10:38] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» and you can calm right the fuck down with this attitude now
[10:38] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» or I will ask you to leave and cool off
[10:38] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» I think that at this moment, this is a warning, to word yourself better when speaking to anyone about the characters they play without having interacted with them.
[10:38] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 Go ahead.
[10:38] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» Oh?
[10:38] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 Pull the logs. Show me exactly what offended you.
[10:38] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 Which sentence, in what context, etc. It was less than a page's worth of conversation, as I recall, not much to pore over.
[10:39] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 As far as other players getting the vibe that I'm 'arrogant'. Yaknow, this is IRC. I'm not claiming to be a saint. I do claim to not try to offend people that I interact with, because that's stupid, this is a game, we're all here to have fun. I don't insult people in any serious manner with intent to harm or humiliate.
[10:39] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» this part in particular, is pretty damn insulting to me
[10:39] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» [19:24] <Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan> I -hate- child malks.
[10:39] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» [19:24] <Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan> in 15 years of IRC VTM, I've seen them played all the damn time. Way too much.
[10:39] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» [19:25] <Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan> it's become a stereotype as bad as 'sillymalks'
[10:39] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» [19:25] <Seph> ok...
[10:39] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» [19:25] <Seph> you should meet his wife
[10:39] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» [19:25] * Seph nods
[10:39] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» [19:25] <Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan> I'm just saying.
[10:39] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» [19:25] <Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan> The books literally warn folks 'Do not play -this-:'
[10:39] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» [19:25] <Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan> and everyone does it anyways because of what they've heard
[10:39] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» [19:26] <Seph> the books also originally have Setites and Assamites etc as NPC Antagonists
[10:39] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» [19:26] <Seph> and say don't play them either
[10:39] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» [19:26] <Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan> Malks are supposed to, in lore, monitor fresh Malks for those signs and PURGE THEM if they show signs of it.
[10:39] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» [19:26] <Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan> no, the books allow you to play any clan
[10:39] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» insinuating the book tells me NOT to play my character
[10:39] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 No.
[10:40] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 I was talking about SILLY MALKS.
[10:40] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» despite not even know what the original books on your characters
[10:40] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 hold on, I have the same log, you forgot a bit after that.
[10:40] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 if you'd read it, you might not have dragged us in here.
[10:41] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 eff it, I'll make a pastebin.
[10:41] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 quicker.
[10:41] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» I'm reading the log right now
[10:41] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» I see exactly what was said
[10:42] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 http://pastebin.com/5nr6CWJB
[10:42] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 yeah
[10:42] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 And read past that.
[10:42] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 To where I specifically point out I'm talking about the stereotype of SILLY MALKS
[10:42] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 NOT Child Malks.
[10:42] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 I never said the books tell you never to play child malks.
[10:42] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» which was when you brought up Hallucinations
[10:42] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 I even pointed that out so to avoid confusion.
[10:42] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» and I responded about that, you pointed out then you were talking about 'sillymalks'
[10:42] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» and by the way
[10:42] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» two of my brothers suffer from Delusions and Hallucinations
[10:43] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 Oh don't even bring up RL, I'm not attacking you RL, I don't know you or anyone else here IRL except Karl.
[10:43] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 I said nothing about your life.
[10:43] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» no, you don't....but maybe you should -think- before you speak
[10:43] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 That is utterly irrelevant.
[10:43] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» that is my point
[10:43] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 We were discussing MALKS.
[10:43] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 Insanity is the -discussion-=
[10:43] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» You are not thinking before you press enter
[10:43] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» because...these are issues that people actually do deal with...and thats where I base my knowledge of Mental Psychosis
[10:43] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» Now, here's what's going to happen.
[10:44] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» Because you two will go around and around all night if I let you
[10:44] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» Mordack/Soryn, you're going to make a better effort to think before you say things to people that you, admittedly, don't know
[10:44] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» I don't like having players complain about other players
[10:44] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 *Solyn, thank you.
[10:44] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» Your sheet says Soryn, my apologies
[10:45] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» it says Soryn on your sheet, I'll fix that...sorry
[10:45] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» my words stand.
[10:45] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 then someone typed it in wrong.
[10:45] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 Moving on.
[10:45] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» I advise you to take time to get to know these people before you start poking at them or their characters because at this point in time you're a perfect stranger to them and it's not being received well at all
[10:45] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» on an ooc level
[10:46] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» icly, get to know them and poke at them for all i care
[10:46] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 I'd like to say something about that, before we drop the topic.
[10:46] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» go ahead
[10:46] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 This discussion at -no point- hinged on the OOC, on Seph's life, history, or OOC personality.
[10:46] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» It was an ooc conversation in a pm
[10:46] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 I don't know you from Adam, and that's the point. If the topic of dementia or mental issues was taboo, you would not be playing a Malk, or you'd be damn foolish for doing so.
[10:47] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» and comments like that are unnecessary
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[10:47] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» So if you're going to persist on making jabs like that, then you should take the night off and come back tomorrow when you can think about your words before speaking.
[10:47] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 The only thing I commented on was that I've seen a lot of people play child malks and silly malks over the years, in ways that the books discourage. That's ALL. I did not say 'YOU ARE PLAYING SOMETHING BAD'
[10:47] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 I understand the Child flaw exists for a reason.
[10:47] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 I've seen some damn GOOD players use it.
[10:47] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» I'm -not- arguing this with you anymore.
[10:47] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» You have your warning.
[10:48] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» That's your one and only.
[10:48] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 ...
[10:48] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» Think before you speak.
[10:49] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 :/
[10:50] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 I want to make sure the air is clear.
[10:50] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» Yup.
[10:50] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 Do you, Seph, understand that nothing I said was in -any way- a dig on you, your characters, in general or specific, etc?
[10:51] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» Seph stepped afk
[10:51] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 I don't want to have this happen again. And given I still, looking over these logs, see -nothing to get offended about-...I'm concerned it might.
[10:51] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» Please stop beating a dead horse.
[10:52] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 I'm trying to prevent the horse from being animated from the dead next week.
[10:52] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» Then as I said, think before you type.
[10:53] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 And think before you -interpret-, right?
[10:53] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 Would you agree with that?
[10:53] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» excuse me?
[10:53] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» You've already been warned, now you're pushing it.
[10:53] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 <Sighs> What I mean is this. It's important to think about what you type, yes. But it's also important to think about what you read from the other person.
[10:54] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» Let me put it to you this way
[10:54] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» very plain and simply
[10:54] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 >_<
[10:54] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» Nobody here KNOWS you
[10:54] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» You don't know anyone here.
[10:54] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» Nobody knows how to interperate what you say other than literally by what you're saying.
[10:54] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» until such a time that you get to know people nhere and they get to know you
[10:55] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» it's going to be "interperated" literally
[10:55] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» Now you can say "Ok" and stop arguing with me
[10:55] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 Ok, see, that's not how I was raised. I was raised to give other people the benefit of the doubt rather than assume something is meant in the nastiest possible way.
[10:55] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» Or you can continue to push the issue.
[10:55] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» We're not talking about your RL here
[10:55] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 So I'm sorry for offending, that's all I can say.
[10:55] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» I'm sure Seph will see your apology when he comes back.
[10:56] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 It was not intentional, nothing I said was a dig on Seph/his chars/his rp, or anything else. I wouldn't -be- pm'ing him, ASKING FOR RP, if I thought he was a bad person, roleplayer, etc.
[10:56] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 The whole convo occurred because I wanted to know who he played so we could craft a scene.
[10:56] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 That's not something yo udo with someone you dont like or want to piss off.
[10:56] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 :(
[10:56] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» My previous statements stand.
[10:56] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 Also, Seph's been back for a few minutes.
[10:57] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» Yes....I have been. Avoiding this, because you have me a little more then upset right now with your attitude adn arguing right here. I am avoiding this conversation, cause I am only 1/3rd of our staff
[10:57] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» so I don't get the say
[10:57] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» now, I"m gonna go back to not looking
[10:57] 6«5(14 Seph 5)6» so I can calm down :)
[10:58] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 ...
[10:58] 6«5(14 Tabrid_Ibn_Kanaan 5)6»14 Great.
[10:58] 6«5(14 Zuleika 5)6» There you have it.
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Session Close: Mon Sep 07 22:58:40 2015