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  1. Aug 20 03:51:47 <Qveta> it was going so well until then
  2. Aug 20 03:51:53 <Qveta> i'm not going to let that ruin the game for me
  3. Aug 20 03:51:54 <diomed> is this my first bethesda game?
  4. Aug 20 03:52:48 <Qveta> still bashing faces with a pipe is great fun
  5. Aug 20 03:52:54 <diomed> don't you want an achievement?
  6. Aug 20 03:53:41 <Biolithic> lol achievements
  7. Aug 20 03:54:44 <Qveta> a single enemy can kill me in 4 hits if i'm careless
  8. Aug 20 03:54:46 <Qveta> this is excellent
  9. Aug 20 03:55:35 <diomed> my achievement is getting banned from tf2 servers
  10. Aug 20 03:55:54 <Biolithic> that can't be hard
  11. Aug 20 03:56:03 <diomed> it takes determination
  12. Aug 20 03:56:18 <diomed> i just started taking screenshots
  13. Aug 20 03:56:29 <diomed> my first one + demo is on the profile
  14. Aug 20 03:57:00 <Biolithic> http://phys.org/news/2012-08-sun-perfectly-baffles-scientists.html
  15. Aug 20 03:58:14 <diomed> explain THAT, atheists
  16. Aug 20 03:58:54 <Evilagram> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/416986/temp/1328654512843.png
  17. Aug 20 03:59:26 <Biolithic> in more important news
  18. Aug 20 03:59:27 <Biolithic> http://phys.org/news/2012-08-mpeg-codec-halves-bit.html
  19. Aug 20 04:01:35 <diomed> that's pretty cool
  20. Aug 20 04:01:40 <diomed> but to be fair
  21. Aug 20 04:02:09 <diomed> compression algorithms have long surpassed conventional codecs
  22. Aug 20 04:02:18 <diomed> i'd be more interested in the white paper
  23. Aug 20 04:03:30 * kruin has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  24. Aug 20 04:11:06 <ClarenceMage> where's my ban mikey
  25. Aug 20 04:11:09 <ClarenceMage> you said there'd be a ban
  26. Aug 20 04:11:22 <MikeyLowell> is that the kind of thing you remind somebody of
  27. Aug 20 04:11:24 <Evilagram> haha
  28. Aug 20 04:11:38 <ClarenceMage> yes
  29. Aug 20 04:12:28 <MikeyLowell> well
  30. Aug 20 04:12:30 <MikeyLowell> if you remind me about it again
  31. Aug 20 04:12:32 <MikeyLowell> i'm gonna ban you
  32. Aug 20 04:12:47 <MikeyLowell> that game is for casuals anwyay
  33. Aug 20 04:12:48 <MikeyLowell> anyway*
  34. Aug 20 04:13:12 <Eammy> then it's right up your alley
  35. Aug 20 04:13:56 <MikeyLowell> haha yeah okay
  36. Aug 20 04:14:01 <MikeyLowell> you want to play tempest chess
  37. Aug 20 04:14:03 <MikeyLowell> go play starcraft
  38. Aug 20 04:14:04 <MikeyLowell> n000b
  39. Aug 20 04:14:22 <MikeyLowell> starcraft's codename was tempest chess
  40. Aug 20 04:14:24 <MikeyLowell> and then e.a. copied it
  41. Aug 20 04:14:27 <MikeyLowell> as you can see on the page
  42. Aug 20 04:14:42 <Eammy> riiiigghtt
  43. Aug 20 04:15:11 * Eammy has quit (Quit: Leaving)
  44. Aug 20 04:17:01 <Qveta> >1 of 6 dead birds found
  45. Aug 20 04:17:01 <Qveta> :(
  46. Aug 20 04:17:13 <MikeyLowell> lol
  47. Aug 20 04:17:50 * kruin ([email protected]) has joined #the-ghetto
  48. Aug 20 04:18:02 <Antti> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-yh5f2de0b7djSACvvwPnBHKmiujUyrpEnGjBNYj8Zw/edit
  49. Aug 20 04:18:13 <Evilagram> zeronight just passed that to me in a text
  50. Aug 20 04:18:22 <Antti> Cool. Now everyone can read it too.
  51. Aug 20 04:18:37 <ClarenceMage> i see
  52. Aug 20 04:18:37 <ClarenceMage> well
  53. Aug 20 04:18:42 <ClarenceMage> we could play starcraft if you'd like
  54. Aug 20 04:18:45 <ClarenceMage> I'd just need to install
  55. Aug 20 04:19:22 <MikeyLowell> lol i'm just dicking around
  56. Aug 20 04:19:28 <ClarenceMage> aw
  57. Aug 20 04:19:35 <MikeyLowell> I think I do have it installed
  58. Aug 20 04:19:38 <MikeyLowell> if you ever want to play sometime
  59. Aug 20 04:19:38 <Evilagram> hey antti, replace the picture with a link to the picture
  60. Aug 20 04:19:41 <MikeyLowell> been a while
  61. Aug 20 04:19:49 <ClarenceMage> alright
  62. Aug 20 04:19:50 <ClarenceMage> later then
  63. Aug 20 04:20:02 <ClarenceMage> right now i've got virtua fighter to become re-proficient at
  64. Aug 20 04:20:10 <ClarenceMage> I've swapped some VF skill for soul calibur skill
  65. Aug 20 04:20:13 <ClarenceMage> but I like VF more
  66. Aug 20 04:20:17 <ClarenceMage> so this requires rectifying
  67. Aug 20 04:22:50 <MikeyLowell> alright
  68. Aug 20 04:22:50 <MikeyLowell> enjoy
  69. Aug 20 04:23:06 <Evilagram> I still can't see any of the images that are supposed to be in this document
  70. Aug 20 04:23:39 <ZeroNight> So hi. We had a chat and stuff.
  71. Aug 20 04:24:21 <Evilagram> "
  72. Aug 20 04:24:22 <Evilagram> I think if I've seen enough of them, I'd probably be able to tell their silhouettes apart from minute differences"
  73. Aug 20 04:24:23 <Evilagram> how?
  74. Aug 20 04:24:37 <Evilagram> there is no difference in silhouette
  75. Aug 20 04:25:37 * BMis4scrubs has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  76. Aug 20 04:27:42 <Antti> Are you that blind? There are totally fine slight, unique properties even in their silhouettes.
  77. Aug 20 04:27:52 <Qveta> the sun is up now, no more condemned for me
  78. Aug 20 04:27:58 <ZeroNight> http://www.gadgetlite.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/gears-of-war-3-beta-590x433.jpg for reference of the characters
  79. Aug 20 04:28:07 <Evilagram> http://www.houseofmove.com/img/cartoon_silhouettes.png
  80. Aug 20 04:28:09 <Evilagram> also this
  81. Aug 20 04:28:17 <Evilagram> Oh come on
  82. Aug 20 04:28:22 <Evilagram> slight unique properties
  83. Aug 20 04:28:25 <Evilagram> bullshit
  84. Aug 20 04:28:31 <Evilagram> they're nearly all the same
  85. Aug 20 04:28:35 <Antti> Yeah, you are blind
  86. Aug 20 04:28:48 <Evilagram> fuck it, I'm firing up photoshop
  87. Aug 20 04:29:02 <Evilagram> I'll make silhouttes, you identify
  88. Aug 20 04:29:14 <Antti> As long as it's not by name
  89. Aug 20 04:29:21 <ClarenceMage> lol
  90. Aug 20 04:29:23 <Antti> I don't know the names of any of these guys
  91. Aug 20 04:29:42 <ClarenceMage> I was just cooking an egg
  92. Aug 20 04:29:46 <ClarenceMage> then I went to flip it with a spatula
  93. Aug 20 04:29:48 <Evilagram> I seriously need to patch the CS6 license
  94. Aug 20 04:29:50 <ClarenceMage> Then it all caught on fire for like two seconds
  95. Aug 20 04:29:53 <ClarenceMage> the fire was like
  96. Aug 20 04:29:55 <ClarenceMage> A metre high
  97. Aug 20 04:29:57 <Antti> Let's just go with bandana, goatee, token and blondie
  98. Aug 20 04:30:00 <ClarenceMage> and then it died as quickly as it came up
  99. Aug 20 04:30:01 <Cordwell> you really aren't supposed to
  100. Aug 20 04:30:02 <taub> google docs puts logs in a table? heh
  101. Aug 20 04:30:08 <Cordwell> it even plays on this within the game itself
  102. Aug 20 04:30:14 <Cordwell> I'm COLE, they call me the COLE TRAIN.
  103. Aug 20 04:30:20 <Cordwell> DEFENSIVE LINEBACKER ON THE RAIDERS
  104. Aug 20 04:30:35 <Cordwell> All you know and see is that he is so black he absorbs the meagre light around him.
  105. Aug 20 04:30:54 <Cordwell> That's his defining characteristic. He's black. The blackest character in videogame history.
  106. Aug 20 04:31:06 <Cordwell> He's also a total badass when the A.I. doesn't make him do ridiculous things.
  107. Aug 20 04:31:20 <diomed> you mean like the Tracy Morgan of videogames?
  108. Aug 20 04:31:26 <Cordwell> idk who tracy morgan is
  109. Aug 20 04:31:32 <Cordwell> he wouldn't be in any Tyler Perry movie though
  110. Aug 20 04:31:33 <Antti> Can't believe none of you see a problem with the Disney end of this thing
  111. Aug 20 04:31:34 * BMis4Scrubs ([email protected]) has joined #the-ghetto
  112. Aug 20 04:31:38 <Cordwell> I DID.
  113. Aug 20 04:31:43 <Antti> I know you did
  114. Aug 20 04:31:45 <diomed> former blackest person alive
  115. Aug 20 04:31:47 <Antti> But the people in here
  116. Aug 20 04:31:50 <Cordwell> yeah
  117. Aug 20 04:32:03 <diomed> not that Cole is alive
  118. Aug 20 04:32:10 <Cordwell> Morgan discussing his book I Am the New Black, New York City 2009
  119. Aug 20 04:32:21 <Qveta> i read that chatlog
  120. Aug 20 04:32:37 <Qveta> ZeroNight seems pretty stupid :(
  121. Aug 20 04:32:45 <ZeroNight> Thanks, appreciate it
  122. Aug 20 04:32:49 <Cordwell> Gears is kind of hilariously anti-characterization.
  123. Aug 20 04:32:51 <ZeroNight> love you too
  124. Aug 20 04:32:55 <Cordwell> It is the bro-est bro-op game ever.
  125. Aug 20 04:33:06 <BMis4Scrubs> more than army of two?
  126. Aug 20 04:33:22 <ZeroNight> please tell me cordwell is a fictional character that someone is putting on as a joke
  127. Aug 20 04:33:23 <Qveta> "you can't die, just take cover lol xD that's how the game works xDDD"
  128. Aug 20 04:33:30 <diomed> i don't know of anyone who's played Army of Two
  129. Aug 20 04:33:35 <Qveta> i have
  130. Aug 20 04:33:42 <Qveta> both of them
  131. Aug 20 04:33:42 <Antti> The army of two guys aren't jock parody enough to be as bro as GoW
  132. Aug 20 04:36:24 <Qveta> fuguist made a post, hooray!
  133. Aug 20 04:38:00 <ClarenceMage> Zero: actually, this reminds me of a video brandon hardesty made
  134. Aug 20 04:38:10 <ZeroNight> No idea who that is
  135. Aug 20 04:38:38 <ClarenceMage> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93mRy7Z-8Nc
  136. Aug 20 04:39:02 <ClarenceMage> he's a funny video guy on youtube, done the "Strange faces and noises I can make" as well as lots of re-enactments of scenes from movies
  137. Aug 20 04:39:09 <taub> hahaha
  138. Aug 20 04:39:11 <ClarenceMage> and this is him doing a re-enactment of a youtube video
  139. Aug 20 04:39:17 <taub> he did demonious x
  140. Aug 20 04:39:19 <ClarenceMage> in his acting class
  141. Aug 20 04:39:23 <ClarenceMage> yes
  142. Aug 20 04:39:41 <ClarenceMage> i bring this up because of a comment later in the video
  143. Aug 20 04:39:49 <ClarenceMage> no-one would believe this demonius x character if he wasn't a real person
  144. Aug 20 04:39:58 <ClarenceMage> Like, if he was just written
  145. Aug 20 04:40:07 <ClarenceMage> No-one would believe it, it's an unrealistic character
  146. Aug 20 04:40:14 <ClarenceMage> same thing applies to cordwell
  147. Aug 20 04:44:10 <diomed> when does the funny come?
  148. Aug 20 04:45:23 <Antti> You have to sacrifice something for the funny god
  149. Aug 20 04:45:49 <diomed> George Carlin?
  150. Aug 20 04:46:22 <Evilagram> I'm cutting out these silhouttes
  151. Aug 20 04:46:25 <Evilagram> gimme a sec
  152. Aug 20 04:46:31 <ClarenceMage> use a different image
  153. Aug 20 04:46:37 <Qveta> i thought about an improvement to condemned
  154. Aug 20 04:46:38 <ClarenceMage> otherwise he'd just use the image as reference
  155. Aug 20 04:46:50 <Evilagram> I'm using shit from google
  156. Aug 20 04:46:50 <Qveta> instead of just beating people with pipes or 2x4s with nails
  157. Aug 20 04:46:56 <Qveta> i want to pin someone down and rape them
  158. Aug 20 04:47:03 <Chair> Improve your life: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7bwbl6UHU8
  159. Aug 20 04:47:06 <Qveta> and taze them from time to time
  160. Aug 20 04:50:40 <taub> [04:46] <Qveta> i want to pin someone down and rape them
  161. Aug 20 04:50:41 <taub> oO
  162. Aug 20 04:51:51 <BMis4Scrubs> how inappropriate
  163. Aug 20 04:52:15 <Antti> I know that feeling all too well Qveta
  164. Aug 20 04:52:35 <Antti> Though I think there may be some slight differences between us on this
  165. Aug 20 04:52:53 <Qveta> since i am fighting drug addicts
  166. Aug 20 04:53:04 <Qveta> they probably sucked at least a few dicks to get their fix
  167. Aug 20 04:53:09 <Evilagram> kay
  168. Aug 20 04:53:12 <Evilagram> got the silhouette
  169. Aug 20 04:53:13 <Qveta> i don't think me raping them would affect them so much
  170. Aug 20 04:53:15 <diomed> ass or vag?
  171. Aug 20 04:53:21 <Qveta> they're men
  172. Aug 20 04:53:22 <Qveta> so ass
  173. Aug 20 04:53:26 <Evilagram> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/416986/GOW%20Silhouettes.png
  174. Aug 20 04:53:36 <Evilagram> qveta, antti, can you identify these at all?
  175. Aug 20 04:53:37 <diomed> whatever floats your boat
  176. Aug 20 04:53:50 <Evilagram> note that these are at MUCH higher resolutions than the cartoon ones
  177. Aug 20 04:53:55 <taub> so?
  178. Aug 20 04:53:56 <diomed> brandon hardesty is like an obscene andy rooney
  179. Aug 20 04:53:56 <Evilagram> so it should be a LOT easier
  180. Aug 20 04:54:00 <diomed> this is difficult to watch
  181. Aug 20 04:54:00 <taub> WHO CARES
  182. Aug 20 04:54:04 <Qveta> can't see the pic
  183. Aug 20 04:54:10 <Evilagram> refresh
  184. Aug 20 04:54:14 <Evilagram> dl.dropbox.com/u/416986/GOW%20Silhouettes.png
  185. Aug 20 04:54:14 <Qveta> and i'm not sure what i'd be supposed to identify
  186. Aug 20 04:54:15 <Evilagram> oh
  187. Aug 20 04:54:20 <Evilagram> who are these characters?
  188. Aug 20 04:54:23 <Evilagram> can you tell them apart?
  189. Aug 20 04:54:29 <taub> I can spot dom
  190. Aug 20 04:54:36 <Antti> Yeah, subtle things
  191. Aug 20 04:54:38 <taub> baird maybe
  192. Aug 20 04:54:39 <Evilagram> which one?
  193. Aug 20 04:54:44 <taub> second on the upper left
  194. Aug 20 04:54:47 <taub> baird is lower left
  195. Aug 20 04:54:52 <Antti> Like, the shapes of their heads are different
  196. Aug 20 04:54:57 <Evilagram> is dom the main character?
  197. Aug 20 04:55:00 <Antti> That's what I meant by subtle nuances
  198. Aug 20 04:55:03 <Qveta> no
  199. Aug 20 04:55:04 <Qveta> marcus
  200. Aug 20 04:55:04 <Evilagram> because second on the upper left is not the main character
  201. Aug 20 04:55:11 <Qveta> marcus is top row, third
  202. Aug 20 04:55:43 <Qveta> i think dom is top row, second
  203. Aug 20 04:55:48 <taub> why the fuck would their siluets be differnt if they are humans?
  204. Aug 20 04:55:59 <taub> and wearing standard issued space armor
  205. Aug 20 04:56:03 <taub> or whatever lol
  206. Aug 20 04:56:19 <Evilagram> you didn't read the chat log
  207. Aug 20 04:56:24 <diomed> why are we comparing silhouettes?
  208. Aug 20 04:56:24 <taub> I did
  209. Aug 20 04:56:25 <Chair> [Hey the point is they all look exactly the same and that's a bad things, anikis.]
  210. Aug 20 04:56:35 <Qveta> BECAUSE GEARS OF WAR IS A SHITTY GAME NOW BECAUSE EVILAGRAM'S FRIEND SAID SO
  211. Aug 20 04:56:38 <taub> I still don't see how it makes the game bad?
  212. Aug 20 04:56:52 <Antti> I still don't see how it makes the game ugly
  213. Aug 20 04:56:52 <Evilagram> it's bad character design
  214. Aug 20 04:56:58 <ZeroNight> The point was that it made the character design bad, not the game bad
  215. Aug 20 04:57:06 <taub> but it's not a fucking cartoon
  216. Aug 20 04:57:15 <diomed> what taub said
  217. Aug 20 04:57:27 <taub> I mean okay it totally is, but not that kind
  218. Aug 20 04:57:27 <ZeroNight> Haha you're funny... you don't think those characters are cartoony...
  219. Aug 20 04:57:38 <Evilagram> dante, marth, master chief, JC Denton, they all have different silhouettes
  220. Aug 20 04:57:44 <diomed> relatively speaking, of course
  221. Aug 20 04:57:48 <Evilagram> mario and luigi do
  222. Aug 20 04:57:49 <taub> those are different games
  223. Aug 20 04:57:58 <Chair> [Don't you know Daffy Dunk and Porky Pink look nothing alike, brews?]
  224. Aug 20 04:57:59 <Evilagram> and they're in the same games
  225. Aug 20 04:58:15 <Evilagram> so do peach and toad
  226. Aug 20 04:58:23 <Qveta> i'd fuck porky pig
  227. Aug 20 04:58:26 <Antti> Guys, you know all these totally awesome paintings? They are totally ugly because they don't do Disney characterization.
  228. Aug 20 04:58:29 <taub> so do all the different enemy types in gears
  229. Aug 20 04:58:43 <diomed> because they're consistent with the aesthetic of their universe
  230. Aug 20 04:59:00 <Antti> Oh, and all these comic book characters wearing traditional clothing with an average male shape, so shitty
  231. Aug 20 04:59:16 <ZeroNight> implying superman looks the same as batman...
  232. Aug 20 04:59:18 <Evilagram> Dream and Spiderman look different
  233. Aug 20 04:59:29 <Evilagram> deadpool and spiderman look different
  234. Aug 20 04:59:31 <diomed> cartoons are easier to identify because the point of cartoon style is exaggeration
  235. Aug 20 04:59:35 <ZeroNight> implying war machine looks the same as captain america
  236. Aug 20 04:59:40 <Evilagram> same with wolverine and thor
  237. Aug 20 04:59:50 <Antti> I'm talking more about stuff like the Question
  238. Aug 20 04:59:53 <ZeroNight> diomed, are you saying that gears characters aren't exaggerated?
  239. Aug 20 04:59:55 <Evilagram> and storm looks different from professor xavier
  240. Aug 20 05:00:01 <Chair> B-but War Machine looks exactly like Iran Man...
  241. Aug 20 05:00:05 <Evilagram> har har
  242. Aug 20 05:00:10 <ZeroNight> war machine has a giant fucking machine gun
  243. Aug 20 05:00:15 <Evilagram> not even there, they're outfitted differently, aren't they?
  244. Aug 20 05:00:27 <Evilagram> magneto looks distinct from storm too
  245. Aug 20 05:00:28 <diomed> zero: not in the visual sense
  246. Aug 20 05:00:35 <Antti> >Deadpool and Spiderman different
  247. Aug 20 05:00:36 <ZeroNight> http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/iron-man-war-machine.jpg
  248. Aug 20 05:00:42 <Antti> But 4chan can't even tell them apart!
  249. Aug 20 05:00:47 <Antti> I can't tell them apart!
  250. Aug 20 05:00:53 <Evilagram> lol
  251. Aug 20 05:01:08 <ZeroNight> deadpool has katanas, spiderman doesn't
  252. Aug 20 05:01:11 <Evilagram> http://www.fightersgeneration.com/np5/char/mvc3/deadpool/deadpool3.gif
  253. Aug 20 05:01:14 <ZeroNight> along with his guns
  254. Aug 20 05:01:16 <taub> okay so gears sucks because the four main good guys have the same silouhette?
  255. Aug 20 05:01:19 <Antti> These are mostly subtle differences
  256. Aug 20 05:01:20 <Evilagram> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_J9PlRvGGXS8/Su-HOUOB93I/AAAAAAAABh8/lFCXwYBmG98/s400/spiderman-clipart-6.gif
  257. Aug 20 05:01:29 <Antti> And the biggest differences are often non-silhouette related
  258. Aug 20 05:01:29 <Evilagram> THOSE ARE PRETTY BIG DIFFERENCES DUDE
  259. Aug 20 05:01:29 <taub> sounds L E G I T
  260. Aug 20 05:01:41 <Evilagram> We aren't saying the game sucks
  261. Aug 20 05:01:45 <Evilagram> that's a separate argument
  262. Aug 20 05:01:57 <diomed> you can have silly characters with average visual profiles
  263. Aug 20 05:02:01 <Antti> I like your choice of Spider-Man artwork
  264. Aug 20 05:02:09 <taub> spiderman and venom?
  265. Aug 20 05:02:11 <Evilagram> lol
  266. Aug 20 05:02:17 <Evilagram> I just picked something with the whole body
  267. Aug 20 05:02:18 <Chair> But you're saying the character design sucks and your sole criterion is whether or not the characters have daffy duck/pork pig like differences.
  268. Aug 20 05:02:26 <ZeroNight> venom has the tentacle things
  269. Aug 20 05:02:31 <ZeroNight> along with carnage
  270. Aug 20 05:02:32 <Evilagram> and he's heavier set
  271. Aug 20 05:02:44 <ClarenceMage> venom is also far more muscular
  272. Aug 20 05:02:53 <ClarenceMage> look at the sprites of venom & spiderman in Marvel vs Cpacom
  273. Aug 20 05:02:58 <ClarenceMage> quite obvious differences
  274. Aug 20 05:03:07 <Evilagram> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_K0mBbfwWtoQ/R13VNs5QAJI/AAAAAAAABOg/_JEOYvfjsH0/s320/Venom1.jpg
  275. Aug 20 05:03:07 <ClarenceMage> *Capcom
  276. Aug 20 05:03:17 <Evilagram> http://www.samruby.com/Villains/Venom/venom.htm
  277. Aug 20 05:03:27 <diomed> by zero's line of reason, In Praise of Folly ought to be a Tex Avery cartoon
  278. Aug 20 05:03:32 <Evilagram> spiderman was always lean
  279. Aug 20 05:03:49 <Evilagram> which is why black spiderman is distinct from venom
  280. Aug 20 05:03:59 <taub> alright alright okay so they have the same silouhettes fuck that word
  281. Aug 20 05:04:13 <Evilagram> silhouette
  282. Aug 20 05:04:15 <taub> still don't see how that changes the fact that the game looks and plays great?
  283. Aug 20 05:04:29 <ZeroNight> well it doesn't look good from an artistic standpoint
  284. Aug 20 05:04:40 <diomed> he's not arguing mechanics, taub
  285. Aug 20 05:04:43 <Evilagram> So NOW you want to defend gameplay over aesthetics?
  286. Aug 20 05:04:47 <Evilagram> lol
  287. Aug 20 05:04:58 <Evilagram> oh
  288. Aug 20 05:05:00 <Evilagram> you said looks
  289. Aug 20 05:05:00 <Evilagram> fuck
  290. Aug 20 05:05:05 <Antti> Antti Guys, you know all these totally awesome paintings? They are totally ugly because they don't do Disney characterization.
  291. Aug 20 05:05:08 <ZeroNight> the levels are made using repeated assets, so as a result, the levels factually look the same start to finish
  292. Aug 20 05:05:09 <Antti> >Disney
  293. Aug 20 05:05:18 <Antti> >Standard for artistic standpoint
  294. Aug 20 05:05:24 <taub> lololol ok
  295. Aug 20 05:05:42 <Evilagram> http://gameredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/gears-of-war-3-group.jpg
  296. Aug 20 05:05:42 <ZeroNight> open the gears of war editor if you don't believe me
  297. Aug 20 05:05:44 <Evilagram> okay
  298. Aug 20 05:05:48 <Evilagram> so this looks good?
  299. Aug 20 05:05:48 <taub> ALL GAMES HAVE REPREATING ASSETS
  300. Aug 20 05:05:53 <taub> you stupid fuck
  301. Aug 20 05:05:54 <Evilagram> does this seriously look good?
  302. Aug 20 05:06:08 <ZeroNight> suddenly, stating a fact makes me a stupid fuck
  303. Aug 20 05:06:11 <ZeroNight> love your logic
  304. Aug 20 05:06:13 <Qveta> This is a topic that has always bothered me. I know that New Super Mario Bros. is an excellent game, and Mario Galaxy is a jewel of a game. But do the themes need to be so childish? Mario Kart, same diff.
  305. Aug 20 05:06:14 <Evilagram> http://nintendookie.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/gears-3.jpg
  306. Aug 20 05:06:17 <Evilagram> this too?
  307. Aug 20 05:06:28 <Evilagram> LOL QVETA
  308. Aug 20 05:06:32 <taub> how about some ingame screenshots?
  309. Aug 20 05:06:36 <diomed> stupid is such a harsh word
  310. Aug 20 05:06:43 <Evilagram> http://download.xbox.com/content/images/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d8024d5307d5/1033/screenlg1.jpg
  311. Aug 20 05:06:45 <taub> who cares about the frigging cover
  312. Aug 20 05:06:52 <Evilagram> is this ingame?
  313. Aug 20 05:06:53 <ZeroNight> http://www.cgsociety.org/stories/2008_12/gears2/im15.jpg
  314. Aug 20 05:06:56 <Evilagram> because it's ugly
  315. Aug 20 05:07:25 <taub> probably, for a very brief moment
  316. Aug 20 05:07:37 <Antti> Yeah, that last image looks good
  317. Aug 20 05:07:42 <Evilagram> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugjgEisc-Cs
  318. Aug 20 05:07:42 <ZeroNight> the pillars even have cracks in the exact same spots
  319. Aug 20 05:07:52 <Evilagram> this is the second result for gears of war on youtube
  320. Aug 20 05:07:53 <ZeroNight> it factually looks rushed
  321. Aug 20 05:08:03 <Evilagram> does this seriously look good?
  322. Aug 20 05:08:08 <ZeroNight> from a design standpoint, it looks horrible
  323. Aug 20 05:08:13 <ClarenceMage> the special AI versus modes in SCV and VF5 are actually decent
  324. Aug 20 05:08:17 <ClarenceMage> the AIs have habits
  325. Aug 20 05:08:29 <Evilagram> it has like, 5% saturation, not even joking
  326. Aug 20 05:08:31 <Chair> That doesn't actually "factually" imply "rushed" per se.
  327. Aug 20 05:08:40 <diomed> are you going to do this forever?
  328. Aug 20 05:08:48 <diomed> show us images and ask if it looks good
  329. Aug 20 05:08:54 <Evilagram> I sent a video
  330. Aug 20 05:08:57 <diomed> make your point
  331. Aug 20 05:08:58 <Evilagram> it is many images
  332. Aug 20 05:09:08 <Evilagram> it does not look pretty
  333. Aug 20 05:09:18 <Chair> 360p video thanks.
  334. Aug 20 05:09:28 <Evilagram> it was the first result
  335. Aug 20 05:09:34 <ZeroNight> and chair, yes it does. things like cracks are easy to apply as decals
  336. Aug 20 05:09:36 <ZeroNight> to prevent repetition
  337. Aug 20 05:09:42 <ZeroNight> if the time is actually put in to do so
  338. Aug 20 05:09:44 <Evilagram> find me a higher res video
  339. Aug 20 05:09:56 <ZeroNight> the level designers just didn't care enough to bother
  340. Aug 20 05:10:00 <taub> http://www.abload.de/img/screenlg1lwj4q.jpg
  341. Aug 20 05:10:03 <taub> looks so much better
  342. Aug 20 05:10:05 <taub> oh man
  343. Aug 20 05:10:13 <taub> look at those silhouettes
  344. Aug 20 05:10:19 <Evilagram> that image isn't loading
  345. Aug 20 05:10:23 <Chair> Is it a fact that the sun's going to rise tomorrow?
  346. Aug 20 05:10:30 <ZeroNight> No
  347. Aug 20 05:10:31 <Evilagram> imgur can't open that image
  348. Aug 20 05:10:55 <ZeroNight> Many, many things can happen to prevent the sun from rising tomorrow that we can't possibly predict
  349. Aug 20 05:11:01 <ZeroNight> How is that relavent
  350. Aug 20 05:11:03 <Evilagram> http://imgur.com/a/4CPLp
  351. Aug 20 05:11:20 <ClarenceMage> >implying the sun rises
  352. Aug 20 05:11:23 <Evilagram> here's my standard for good graphics
  353. Aug 20 05:11:31 <Evilagram> or art direction
  354. Aug 20 05:11:47 <Evilagram> except the silly lensflare from BF3
  355. Aug 20 05:11:49 <Evilagram> lemme remove that
  356. Aug 20 05:11:57 <diomed> those are good images
  357. Aug 20 05:12:02 <ZeroNight> As Evil said, Crysis 2 did a very good job with this. It may repeat assets, but it doesn't repeat them en masse at the same time
  358. Aug 20 05:12:15 <Evilagram> thanks for paraphrasing me
  359. Aug 20 05:12:16 <Evilagram> lol
  360. Aug 20 05:12:19 <ZeroNight> So it's used a few times, but doesn't flood the screen so you see the same details twice at once
  361. Aug 20 05:12:31 <Evilagram> same with mirror's edge
  362. Aug 20 05:12:39 <Evilagram> the entire game was assembled from a limited number of assets
  363. Aug 20 05:12:47 <Chair> Hey who has played Alan Wake and was it worth it?
  364. Aug 20 05:12:50 <Evilagram> but many locations end up being kinda distinct
  365. Aug 20 05:12:51 <taub> I think
  366. Aug 20 05:12:59 <taub> like, you guys problem is that you are art students
  367. Aug 20 05:13:02 <MikeyLowell> Alan Wake COULD have been a decent game with some changes
  368. Aug 20 05:13:11 <ZeroNight> Oh yes, how DARE we have a sense of composition?
  369. Aug 20 05:13:14 <Evilagram> Being an art student is a problem now?
  370. Aug 20 05:13:28 <MikeyLowell> I thought it was a little bit better at first, but Qveta basically snapped me out of it.
  371. Aug 20 05:13:35 <taub> because it makes you overanalyze the stuff instad of enjoying it
  372. Aug 20 05:13:39 <Antti> Gears of War masks repetition of assets better than Mirror's Edge.
  373. Aug 20 05:13:51 <Evilagram> analyzing it is enjoying it
  374. Aug 20 05:13:59 <Antti> And if repetition of assets is your ONLY complaint, then you are still going weak.
  375. Aug 20 05:14:20 <Evilagram> Hardly, mirror's edge had a large number of distinct environments and great set pieces
  376. Aug 20 05:14:24 <taub> no, it's not
  377. Aug 20 05:14:29 <Evilagram> like the storm drains most obviously
  378. Aug 20 05:14:34 <Evilagram> the boat
  379. Aug 20 05:14:35 <taub> analyzing is a deconstruction
  380. Aug 20 05:14:39 <Evilagram> both inside and outside
  381. Aug 20 05:14:40 <diomed> to be fair, GoW isn't the most beautiful game
  382. Aug 20 05:14:45 <Evilagram> Deconstruction is enjoyment
  383. Aug 20 05:14:47 <taub> you pick stuff apart, that is the definition of analysis
  384. Aug 20 05:14:54 <Evilagram> Picking things apart is the best
  385. Aug 20 05:15:04 <Evilagram> that's why classical art is so spectacular
  386. Aug 20 05:15:04 <diomed> but it's not bad
  387. Aug 20 05:15:07 <Evilagram> there is so much to see
  388. Aug 20 05:15:10 <Evilagram> so many details
  389. Aug 20 05:15:13 <Evilagram> they do so much right
  390. Aug 20 05:15:23 <ZeroNight> Picking things apart and understanding how it's made allows you to understand where mistakes were made and how many there were
  391. Aug 20 05:15:28 <Evilagram> that too
  392. Aug 20 05:15:35 <Cordwell> oh my god this is hilarious
  393. Aug 20 05:15:42 <Cordwell> I'm hearing one half of an argument
  394. Aug 20 05:15:44 <Evilagram> and if you don't perform content analysis in the first place
  395. Aug 20 05:15:54 <Cordwell> it's like everyone is just violently and vehemently agreeing with me
  396. Aug 20 05:15:56 <Evilagram> then how can you make an argument based upon any piece of content
  397. Aug 20 05:16:10 <Evilagram> can someone kick him?
  398. Aug 20 05:16:37 * MikeyLowell is now known as CordweII
  399. Aug 20 05:16:44 * CordweII has been kicked by MikeyLowell (fag0t)
  400. Aug 20 05:16:46 <Cordwell> oh boy
  401. Aug 20 05:16:46 * CordweII is now known as MikeyLowell
  402. Aug 20 05:16:55 <Cordwell> whoa that was an out-of-body experience
  403. Aug 20 05:17:04 <Evilagram> haha
  404. Aug 20 05:17:09 <Cordwell> lemme guess capital I's in place of lowercase ells?
  405. Aug 20 05:17:12 <Evilagram> that was silly
  406. Aug 20 05:17:19 <diomed> i see what you're attempting to prove
  407. Aug 20 05:17:21 <taub> well it's like when I found out how maps were made, the more you find out about how video games work the more it takes away from the magic
  408. Aug 20 05:17:30 <MikeyLowell> Yeah, I'm gonna guess it looks wrong on a regular IRC client.
  409. Aug 20 05:17:30 <diomed> but your arguments are nonsensical
  410. Aug 20 05:17:31 <Evilagram> That's bullshit
  411. Aug 20 05:17:36 <Cordwell> no I have the right font
  412. Aug 20 05:17:37 <Evilagram> and I hate EVERYONE WHO THINKS LIKE THAT
  413. Aug 20 05:17:39 <Evilagram> FUCK
  414. Aug 20 05:17:39 <Cordwell> it does the trick
  415. Aug 20 05:17:45 <Antti> You guys haven't really made any real arguments on why the art design sucks other than it repeats assets, and that the macho men look too similar to each other
  416. Aug 20 05:17:46 <Evilagram> I despise that entire line of thought
  417. Aug 20 05:17:58 <Evilagram> it's people like you that limit art from becoming all that it can be
  418. Aug 20 05:18:05 <taub> well of course you do, you want to work for video games
  419. Aug 20 05:18:06 <Evilagram> CULTIVATING IGNORANCE
  420. Aug 20 05:18:07 <Evilagram> FUCK THAT SHIT
  421. Aug 20 05:18:07 <diomed> what line of thought?
  422. Aug 20 05:18:12 <Cordwell> diomed, antti, taub and even chair on the home team
  423. Aug 20 05:18:12 <ClarenceMage> taub: that's retarded. The more I find out about how videogames work the more I love them.
  424. Aug 20 05:18:13 <Cordwell> hahaha
  425. Aug 20 05:18:14 <diomed> what are you trying to say?
  426. Aug 20 05:18:17 <ZeroNight> Antti, you just said our argument on why the art design sucks is because the art design sucks. Good job, captain obvious.
  427. Aug 20 05:18:22 <Evilagram> The line of thought that we should WILLFULLY IGNORE DETAILS
  428. Aug 20 05:18:24 <ClarenceMage> If you think that not knowing abotu something is better
  429. Aug 20 05:18:26 <ClarenceMage> then you are doomed
  430. Aug 20 05:18:28 <ClarenceMage> DOOMED.
  431. Aug 20 05:18:33 <Evilagram> AND WILLFULLY IGNORE THE PROCESS OF ASSEMBLY
  432. Aug 20 05:18:34 <Evilagram> FUCK THAT SHIT TO HELL
  433. Aug 20 05:18:38 <diomed> i'm not ignoring details
  434. Aug 20 05:18:42 <Cordwell> i gotta show you guys how these logs look
  435. Aug 20 05:18:46 <taub> but you don't love them like I do, do you? you go into stupid retarded arguments baout art theory, while I have a blast shooting things
  436. Aug 20 05:18:48 <Evilagram> not addressed at you diomed
  437. Aug 20 05:18:51 <Evilagram> addressed at taub
  438. Aug 20 05:18:54 <diomed> oh
  439. Aug 20 05:18:57 <ClarenceMage> lol taub
  440. Aug 20 05:19:00 <diomed> heh
  441. Aug 20 05:19:02 <ClarenceMage> I'm right now playing virtua fighter
  442. Aug 20 05:19:03 <Evilagram> you are the reason I can't get animation resources for show
  443. Aug 20 05:19:04 <Evilagram> shows
  444. Aug 20 05:19:05 <ClarenceMage> enjoying playing the game
  445. Aug 20 05:19:07 <Cordwell> gears has such immensely satisfying shooting
  446. Aug 20 05:19:11 <ClarenceMage> you can not in good faith say that I don't like playing videogames
  447. Aug 20 05:19:16 <Evilagram> you are the reason I can't get algorithms for games
  448. Aug 20 05:19:23 <ZeroNight> I love taub just as much now as I did when I was 6. Knowing more hasn't negated a thing for me, if anything made me appreciate it more
  449. Aug 20 05:19:24 <ClarenceMage> that is a useless argument that only demonstrates how little you actually care about videogames
  450. Aug 20 05:19:30 <Cordwell> big dudes carrying big guns that make big noise
  451. Aug 20 05:19:31 <Evilagram> you are the reason I need to reinvent theuniverse instead of learning from those who came before me
  452. Aug 20 05:19:33 <ZeroNight> I love video games, Tabub*
  453. Aug 20 05:19:39 <Cordwell> and vibrate with every ejecting bullet
  454. Aug 20 05:19:39 <diomed> we get it
  455. Aug 20 05:19:42 <diomed> you're upset
  456. Aug 20 05:19:43 * ZeroNight hates typos
  457. Aug 20 05:19:47 <Evilagram> everyone who thinks like this stands in the way of great games
  458. Aug 20 05:19:59 <Evilagram> everyone who thinks like this demands that we have a dark age for their amusement
  459. Aug 20 05:20:01 <Evilagram> FUCK THEM ALL
  460. Aug 20 05:20:08 <Chair> Are you done?
  461. Aug 20 05:20:11 <diomed> ass or vag?
  462. Aug 20 05:20:11 <Evilagram> never
  463. Aug 20 05:20:11 <taub> :| whatever
  464. Aug 20 05:20:15 <Evilagram> both
  465. Aug 20 05:20:32 <taub> you got all those art theory arguments, yet you DONT GIVE A FUCK about how games look
  466. Aug 20 05:20:37 <taub> what the fuck?
  467. Aug 20 05:20:40 <ClarenceMage> yes i do
  468. Aug 20 05:20:48 <ClarenceMage> evil doesn't
  469. Aug 20 05:20:49 <Evilagram> because I'm a goddam artist
  470. Aug 20 05:20:51 <ClarenceMage> because he's autistic
  471. Aug 20 05:20:52 <ZeroNight> It's BECAUSE we care that we make these arguments
  472. Aug 20 05:20:54 <Evilagram> it's my job
  473. Aug 20 05:20:57 <Evilagram> and I love art
  474. Aug 20 05:20:59 <Chair> Pls write an article for Mike that actually backs up that rant, Evil.
  475. Aug 20 05:21:07 <Cordwell> Arkanoid is better than Tetris and this can be perfectly justified from an art theory perspective.
  476. Aug 20 05:21:09 <Evilagram> ALRIGHT!
  477. Aug 20 05:21:12 <Antti> Evilagram. You are, and will forever be, clinically retarded.
  478. Aug 20 05:21:24 <Cordwell> i swear it's like I'm imagining this conversation
  479. Aug 20 05:21:41 <Antti> To make great games, hell, to make THE GREATEST games, you don't even need to have ever played a single videogame.
  480. Aug 20 05:21:54 <Cordwell> MIKEYLOWELL I RUINED YOUR CHATROOM AGAIN
  481. Aug 20 05:21:56 <ClarenceMage> You can make a masterpiece without painting before ever either
  482. Aug 20 05:21:59 <ClarenceMage> chances are you won't
  483. Aug 20 05:22:04 <ClarenceMage> Ever.
  484. Aug 20 05:22:11 <Cordwell> mwahahaha
  485. Aug 20 05:22:20 <ZeroNight> Yes, because videogames aren't the only form of games. Game design is a science, not something learned by playing games, but by studying them
  486. Aug 20 05:22:32 <Evilagram> I care about how games look within a limited regard
  487. Aug 20 05:22:33 <Chair> I submit that we're all retarded, arguing aesthetics with someone who has asserted that "it doesn't matter if the gun is a goddamn dildo"
  488. Aug 20 05:22:33 <kruin> mm, i disagree
  489. Aug 20 05:22:40 <kruin> you can't divorce play from learning
  490. Aug 20 05:22:44 <Evilagram> I think that we're trading good looks for shit gameplay
  491. Aug 20 05:22:54 <Evilagram> which is an abomination to anything with the word game in the name
  492. Aug 20 05:22:55 <kruin> by playing games, you subconsciously study them
  493. Aug 20 05:23:03 <Antti> And you, if you really think everyone else are a hindrance to your learning, you are just being dense, because all material you need is there for you to get. You don't need to look at the resources of a videogame to find why the fuck it is good. You just need to play it. You don't need to learn the exact methods behind a painting. You just need to look at it.
  494. Aug 20 05:23:06 <Antti> And have talent.
  495. Aug 20 05:23:06 <Evilagram> Play is in a BIG way a process of learning
  496. Aug 20 05:23:25 <Evilagram> I think that EVERYONE who thinks that we should intentionally NOT deconstruct is a hindrance
  497. Aug 20 05:23:27 <ZeroNight> No, no you don't. You OBSERVE games by playing them, which is not the same as studying them and picking apart the mechanics
  498. Aug 20 05:23:29 <ClarenceMage> Antti, you can never learn how to make a good painting if all you do is look at good paintings.
  499. Aug 20 05:23:39 <ClarenceMage> In order to understand how to make a good painting you need to learn how to fucking paint.
  500. Aug 20 05:23:40 <Evilagram> I think that people who think that "spoils the magic" don't love magic
  501. Aug 20 05:23:46 <kruin> you learn through observation and doing
  502. Aug 20 05:23:48 <Evilagram> I think they hate magic
  503. Aug 20 05:23:50 <Evilagram> and want it to die
  504. Aug 20 05:24:00 <Evilagram> Because that's what cultivation of ignorance does
  505. Aug 20 05:24:02 <Evilagram> it kills art
  506. Aug 20 05:24:06 <kruin> trying to divorce play from study is an exercise in futility
  507. Aug 20 05:24:29 <Antti> Yeah. That means practice. You don't need the fucking mystic secrets of painting for it though.
  508. Aug 20 05:24:41 <ClarenceMage> The secrets of painting are hella mystic.
  509. Aug 20 05:24:49 <kruin> not really
  510. Aug 20 05:24:49 <Evilagram> but there ARE A TON OF MYSTICAL SECRETS OF PAINTING
  511. Aug 20 05:25:06 <MikeyLowell> um wait
  512. Aug 20 05:25:07 <Evilagram> and why should you reinvent the universe when it lays bare before you
  513. Aug 20 05:25:09 <MikeyLowell> video games aren't made from magic?
  514. Aug 20 05:25:12 <Antti> Evilagram, the point of the magician is to hide his secrets from his audience. I don't get why this is hard for you.
  515. Aug 20 05:25:21 <ClarenceMage> Mikey: STOP LISTENING TO THEIR LIES
  516. Aug 20 05:25:22 <MikeyLowell> they "program" them???
  517. Aug 20 05:25:23 <Antti> You kill the magic by revealing it. Not the other way around.
  518. Aug 20 05:25:23 <Evilagram> TO BECOME GOOD AT PAINTING, YOU NEED TO ANALYZE HOW TO PAINT
  519. Aug 20 05:25:25 <kruin> any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
  520. Aug 20 05:25:26 <ClarenceMage> THEY WILL SPOIL YOUR INNOCENCE
  521. Aug 20 05:25:26 <kruin> thus
  522. Aug 20 05:25:28 <kruin> call of duty is magic
  523. Aug 20 05:25:38 <Evilagram> No, you kill magic by refusing to understand it
  524. Aug 20 05:25:42 <Cordwell> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5169586/PAGES/gearsofwarhilarity.txt
  525. Aug 20 05:25:46 <Cordwell> somebody gimme the real logs
  526. Aug 20 05:25:50 <Evilagram> by refusing to look behind the curtain
  527. Aug 20 05:25:52 <Chair> Mike's always mum during these arguments because he doesn't want to alienate users.
  528. Aug 20 05:25:52 <MikeyLowell> OH FUCK MAN I NEED TO REWRITE THAT ARTICLE WHERE I ARGUED GAMES WERE THE HIGHEST FORM OF MAGIC
  529. Aug 20 05:25:56 * BMis4Scrubs has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  530. Aug 20 05:25:59 <Cordwell> i like the way antti's were formatted antti gimme logs
  531. Aug 20 05:26:08 <Evilagram> I hate this notion that we shouldn't reveal magic
  532. Aug 20 05:26:08 <MikeyLowell> Nah, I just don't think there's any point to getting worked up about it, particularly when I could be playing a game right now.
  533. Aug 20 05:26:13 <Evilagram> because that's WHY the magic is awesome
  534. Aug 20 05:26:15 <MikeyLowell> If you guys want to fight, go ahead. I can't stop you from doing that.
  535. Aug 20 05:26:18 <MikeyLowell> Well, I can, but I'm too nice.
  536. Aug 20 05:26:23 <Cordwell> you could be playing DODONPACHI DAIOUJOU BLACK LABEL
  537. Aug 20 05:26:33 <Cordwell> or Gears of War
  538. Aug 20 05:26:33 <Cordwell> hah
  539. Aug 20 05:26:37 <MikeyLowell> Super Meat Boy Black Label *****
  540. Aug 20 05:26:38 <kruin> YOU COULD BE PLAYIN LEAGE OF LEGNDZ LIKE ME
  541. Aug 20 05:26:38 <Antti> Evilagram, that you are an inadequate artist is nobody's fault but your own. Stop being a baby.
  542. Aug 20 05:26:46 <Evilagram> you can't draw in the first place
  543. Aug 20 05:26:50 <Cordwell> Painkiller Black Label
  544. Aug 20 05:26:56 <Cordwell> Chips Ahoy: Cutting the Bonds of Hell
  545. Aug 20 05:26:59 <Evilagram> drawing well requires you to study the world
  546. Aug 20 05:27:03 <Evilagram> and recreate it
  547. Aug 20 05:27:15 <Evilagram> but you say that we shouldn't study or deconstruct
  548. Aug 20 05:27:19 <Evilagram> how will anyone learn to draw?
  549. Aug 20 05:27:27 <Evilagram> you cannot reconstruct without deconstruction
  550. Aug 20 05:27:37 <Antti> And how good are you at this Evilagram? How much does it frustrate you that you can't measure to the best artists? Are they all better than you just because they had the proper secrets revealed to them?
  551. Aug 20 05:27:48 <kruin> antti
  552. Aug 20 05:27:50 <kruin> you don't seem to get it
  553. Aug 20 05:27:55 <kruin> there aren't mythical secrets
  554. Aug 20 05:27:58 <kruin> there's time spent
  555. Aug 20 05:28:11 <Evilagram> there are secrets, and they can be learned through time
  556. Aug 20 05:28:13 <kruin> that's the mythical secret
  557. Aug 20 05:28:14 <ClarenceMage> kruin gets it
  558. Aug 20 05:28:15 <kruin> put the time in
  559. Aug 20 05:28:16 <kruin> and get better
  560. Aug 20 05:28:17 <Evilagram> that's how they came to be in the first place
  561. Aug 20 05:28:22 * xX720n0sc0peGoDXx ([email protected]) has joined #the-ghetto
  562. Aug 20 05:28:24 <Antti> Time spent and inherent talent.
  563. Aug 20 05:28:24 <Evilagram> but we can relearn them from those who can before us
  564. Aug 20 05:28:29 <Evilagram> FUCK TALENT
  565. Aug 20 05:28:31 <Evilagram> THERE IS NO TALENT
  566. Aug 20 05:28:32 <kruin> inherent talent
  567. Aug 20 05:28:33 <taub> it's okay Evilagram you are the magician, but does the crowd really have to know the trick to be amazed?
  568. Aug 20 05:28:34 <kruin> is time spent
  569. Aug 20 05:28:38 <kruin> peripherally
  570. Aug 20 05:28:39 <taub> I mean the secrets behind it?...
  571. Aug 20 05:28:53 <Evilagram> Knowing the trick is half the fun
  572. Aug 20 05:28:58 <xX720n0sc0peGoDXx> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkgrzHRazGU&feature=youtu.be&hd=1&t=8m10s
  573. Aug 20 05:28:59 <Antti> Wow
  574. Aug 20 05:29:01 <xX720n0sc0peGoDXx> yeeeea
  575. Aug 20 05:29:01 <taub> yes, for the magician
  576. Aug 20 05:29:06 <Antti> This puts things into perspective
  577. Aug 20 05:29:11 <Antti> These people deny talent
  578. Aug 20 05:29:12 <Evilagram> understanding the beauty of the universe is what is magical about it
  579. Aug 20 05:29:20 <Cordwell> cmon people don't deprive me
  580. Aug 20 05:29:21 <Evilagram> you believe in talent?
  581. Aug 20 05:29:22 <Cordwell> i need logs
  582. Aug 20 05:29:28 <Evilagram> Then you draw for me right now
  583. Aug 20 05:29:28 <Cordwell> i'm Gopherwell
  584. Aug 20 05:29:29 <Antti> Being good at something is a combination of practice, understanding, and TALENT
  585. Aug 20 05:29:32 <ClarenceMage> haha what
  586. Aug 20 05:29:42 <Evilagram> It's not about talent, it's about hard work and dedication
  587. Aug 20 05:29:47 <ZeroNight> ^this^
  588. Aug 20 05:29:47 <taub> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_tcaNErQH9Ic/TBeTPZ7wOtI/AAAAAAAAAUk/1Bu2MPCLZ4Y/s1600/White_Oak_Log_BC_Grade.jpg dem logs
  589. Aug 20 05:29:49 <Evilagram> people aren't magically good at things
  590. Aug 20 05:29:50 <kruin> talent is just time spent at other peripheral tasks that can be applied to another task
  591. Aug 20 05:29:56 <taub> hold on Cordwell
  592. Aug 20 05:29:56 <Evilagram> you aren't an artist at all
  593. Aug 20 05:29:59 <kruin> you learn from doing anything
  594. Aug 20 05:30:00 <Evilagram> how can you understand that?
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