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-19:50:11- (zaccubus) can u guys go out and fail plz
-19:50:14- (zaccubus) need more fails
-19:50:17- (zaccubus) thx
-19:50:18- (zaccubus) :D#
-19:50:18- (LifeWastage) I think if it had a nice pair of perky breasts
-19:50:24- (Flikswich) i'll gibve u a fail zacc
-19:50:25- (LifeWastage) that might help its appeal
-19:50:28- (Flikswich) its at 30 fps tho
-19:50:33- (sas^wlv) [18:45] <fjaru> good thing no ones asking for mimic
-19:50:33- (sas^wlv) [18:45] <fjaru> ill change the name and pretend its a new map every time i update it
-19:50:35- (Raste) Flikswich: I could always try that to see how it looks
-19:50:35- (zaccubus) tis fine
-19:50:36- (Flikswich) but it doesn't matter as much as it#'s a fail
-19:50:38- (sas^wlv) played it quite a lot with hypno
-19:50:43- (sas^wlv) dont really like 2x rl on it tbh
-19:50:44- (LifeWastage) anything at 30fps is fail :P
-19:51:00- (sas^wlv) but i like the flow
-19:51:00- (Flikswich) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK3gXMdgrZY
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-19:51:05- (Flikswich) old old build
-19:51:25- (LifeWastage) how come people dont seem to mind if its 2x shock but if its RL its like nah mate?
-19:51:33- (Flikswich) um
-19:51:39- (Flikswich) 2x shock is terrible :F
-19:51:39- (rePeteGG) i can hand you a flak shell selfkill when jumping up from flak to sniper on asdf ... thats the closest i've come to a fail
-19:51:49- (sas^wlv) i think coz imo ut4 duel essentially comes down to, ok i got rl + i got the bigger stack
-19:51:51- (LifeWastage) 3xstinger :P
-19:51:53- (sas^wlv) lets just suicide attack
-19:52:09- (Flikswich) yeh at any one time u;'ll either be on offense with rockets flak
-19:52:14- (Flikswich) rockets / shock*
-19:52:28- (Flikswich) or you'll be on "defence" aka flak kamikaze
-19:52:39- (LifeWastage) so 2xflak would be better?
-19:52:45- (sas^wlv) its too easy to just bide ya time for the next round of pus and dive on it together, knowing full well if you haev the stack you'll win it
-19:52:47- (Flikswich) 2k flak happens
-19:52:58- (sas^wlv) ofc not, but my point was on fjarus map, that i wasnt keen on the 2x rl :D
-19:53:09- (Flikswich) sometimes u fire secondary and it turns into shards mid flight
-19:53:14- (LifeWastage) oh I was just curious if 2x something else might work
-19:53:27- (sas^wlv) i dont mind the 2x shock and 2x sniper on deck
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-19:53:35- (Flikswich) ok wait
-19:53:42- (Flikswich) u guys mean the weapon layouts
-19:53:53- (Flikswich) i was talking about netcode bugs where it fires 2 projectiles :I
-19:54:01- (LifeWastage) Im assuming thats what sas^wlv meant
-19:54:03- (sas^wlv) nooo ;)
-19:54:04- (Raste) I have to try a deemer with less slant on version 1
-19:54:11- (sas^wlv) yeah i meant the 2 weapon bases
-19:54:14- (LifeWastage) lol 2xdeemer
-19:54:21- (Flikswich) tbh deck is just bad for duel
-19:54:21- (LifeWastage) good suggestion raste :P
-19:54:45- (zaccubus) i think i got that sniper rifle at top like twice before
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-19:55:41- (Flikswich) deck doesn't deserve a place in tournaments imo
-19:55:59- (sas^wlv) it does!
-19:56:11- (sas^wlv) until there are better maps anyway
-19:56:15- (Flikswich) considering there are plenty of better maps that people could remake but would get scoffed at for including in a tournament rotation
-19:56:29- (sas^wlv) i dont really wanna see loads of remakes
-19:56:29- (sas^wlv) i dont really wanna see loads of remakes
-19:56:40- (Flikswich) why should deck get a free pass considering basically only ut99 players like it :I
-19:56:56- (Flikswich) "we'll give the old guys a chance"
-19:56:59- • Flikswich runs
-19:57:33- (LifeWastage) what happened to those cool modified versions of deck in the beginning?
-19:57:40- (LifeWastage) why are we still playing on the old busted one
-19:57:45- (Flikswich) chong lee's pretty inactive now :|
-19:57:46- (rePeteGG) "cool"
-19:57:53- (sas^wlv) jesus, that deck version was totally OTT
-19:58:08- (Flikswich) tbh, i wouldn't mind deck that much if it wasn't a ut99 bsp port with the flak corridor slapped on
-19:58:17- (sas^wlv) i think the current deck is nice for tdm, but would like the ut1 version for duel
-19:58:18- (Flikswich) cos then the scaling might not be crap
-19:58:33- (LifeWastage) yeah I think thats the issue I have with a lot of the ports is they are too direct and dont even both to address even minor issues
-19:58:39- (Flikswich) there's allready a bunch of better 1v1 maps
-19:58:42- (rePeteGG) yeah....its a good map for tdm but bad for duel
-19:58:58- (sas^wlv) the 50a corridor ruins it for duel
-19:58:59- (rePeteGG) not sure if ut99 version would change that for ut4
-19:59:04- (sas^wlv) too easy just to run away
-19:59:24- (Flikswich) honestly m8 if u have to make a whole new version just to make a dead map playable then it deserves to not be played
-19:59:37- (sas^wlv) flik, its dead in your eyes...
-19:59:40- (rePeteGG) whole new version - 15 years old :D
-19:59:43- (rePeteGG) 16*
-19:59:44- (sas^wlv) i bet its played more than a lot of the current maps
-19:59:54- (Flikswich) yeh in ffa
-19:59:58- (sas^wlv) and tdm
-20:00:02- (Flikswich) yeh but not duel
-20:00:14- (Flikswich) the only people who play deck are ut99 players
-20:00:23- (Flikswich) and people who ut99 players have dragged into playing deck
-20:00:29- (sas^wlv) and thats probably a fair amount of ut4 players
-20:00:39- (LifeWastage) yeah dm-deck was an unreal 1 map
-20:01:02- (Flikswich) yeah but it won't be a fair amount of ut1 players soon
-20:01:10- (Flikswich) and i'd disagree anyway
-20:01:23- (Flikswich) most of the people I see playing don't play deck
-20:01:49- (LifeWastage) I never understood why theres 2 flak cannons so close together
-20:02:00- (sas^wlv) maybe coz people know u will give up after the first 2 deaths and cba to play u on it :D
-20:02:01- (Flikswich) does the fact that only ut99ers like it (granted with a couple of exceptions) not prove that the only thing holding it up is nostalgia?
-20:02:23- (LifeWastage) so many weapons like crazy
-20:02:25- (`luxxiz) bleh is a part of esl for ut4, expect deck to be in the duel pool :PP
-20:02:31- (Flikswich) fuck saek
-20:02:37- (Flikswich) it's so bad
-20:02:41- (sas^wlv) flik, i honestly think a lot of the later players dont like deck, simply coz many cant compete on it
-20:02:43- (rePeteGG) well...the original version doesn't have the 50a corridor LifeWastage, so they were not that close together
-20:03:05- (Flikswich) it's just a nostalgia covered mess
-20:03:10- (rawlph) +
-20:03:16- (caspa) couldn't you apply that argument to the inclusion of dodge jump
-20:03:29- (rawlph) its a bad map i cba to play on or train for
-20:03:30- (Flikswich) and i'd disagree, most players dislike it because it's objectively bad
-20:03:36- (rawlph) so of course i cant compete on it
-20:03:45- (LifeWastage) yeah thats true rePeteGG, thats what I mean by ports though, people dont really look at the history and try to do a homage, they more try to just trace the original
-20:03:49- (gaius) i played it a ton in 2k4 flik. totally different. was ffa map because of the air lift in the center, not used for 1v1 at all
-20:03:55- (rawlph) only because generations of unreal-players have been forced to play this map
-20:03:58- (`luxxiz) I dont like deck so much, but its not a _bad_ map at all imo
-20:03:58- (rawlph) i shouldnt have to :P
-20:04:02- (Flikswich) exactly rawlph
-20:04:11- (Flikswich) it's held aloft by the fact that it was a good map in ut99
-20:04:13- (LifeWastage) I actually really liked the open roof in UT3
-20:04:13- (sas^wlv) but why shouldnt we play it, just coz u dont like it?
-20:04:22- (Flikswich) and not it sucks and doesn't deserve to be played
-20:04:26- (Flikswich) now*
-20:04:31- (caspa) it should be evaluated objectively
-20:04:33- (rawlph) im not saying you shouldnt play it
-20:04:34- (`luxxiz) deck is like Rankin from ut2004. It works in 1on1, 2on2 and 4on4 :)
-20:04:36- (rawlph) you just shouldnt expect me to play it :P
-20:04:54- (rawlph) granted, as of now im glad we have deck
-20:04:57- (Flikswich) i'm sorry but it's stupid to put a map in a competitive map pool that is hated by half the people who play it
-20:04:58- (rawlph) since there are not many tdm maps
-20:05:02- (rawlph) but as soon as there will be more
-20:05:02- (rePeteGG) all it comes down to in the end is wether tournaments will include it or not
-20:05:05- (rawlph) id glady let deck die
-20:05:08- (gaius) luxxiz did you have a favorite 2k4 map?
-20:05:09- (Flikswich) and is just considered to have crap gameplay by most who hate it
-20:05:11- (sas^wlv) im sure half the people hate chill too
-20:05:15- (`luxxiz) gaius, rankin ;)
-20:05:17- (rawlph) do they?
-20:05:19- (sas^wlv) or asdf
-20:05:28- (LifeWastage) http://i.imgur.com/d7uZEdx.jpg
-20:05:32- (Flikswich) yeh asdf shoud't be in the pool either
-20:05:33- (rawlph) havent met someone who "hates" chill with a passion
-20:05:35- (sas^wlv) i dont think chill is a particularly great map tbh rawlph
-20:05:36- (gaius) cool. still have some replays of yours on there i think
-20:05:47- (rawlph) well theres "not particularly great" and theres "utter trash"
-20:05:48- (rawlph) :P
-20:05:51- (sas^wlv) i know bleh hates it
-20:05:55- (sas^wlv) i dont mind it, bleh hates it
-20:05:55- (raLa) i dont like chill, i don't hate it tho
-20:05:56- (sas^wlv) there u go
-20:05:57- (sas^wlv) :D
-20:05:57- (LifeWastage) not saying I like the theme but I do like it open
-20:05:58- (caspa) Flikswich its not a bad idea to have it just because people dont like it, its a bad idea to have it if its genuinely bad for gameplay
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-20:06:12- (Flikswich) yeh
-20:06:20- (Flikswich) and half the people who play it think it has bad gameplay
-20:06:24- (LifeWastage) the court yard on the other side makes it more interesting visually too
-20:06:27- (raLa) i really like focus tho somehow
-20:06:27- (`luxxiz) but it really does not have bad gameplay
-20:06:32- (sas^wlv) you're just making that up flik
-20:06:35- (Flikswich) and the other half like it cos they've played it for 15 years and it used to be good in ut99
-20:06:39- (rawlph) id love to see some changes made to deck
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-20:06:55- (caspa) if it can be proven one way or another (to be bad or good) by evaluating it sensibly then thats fair
-20:06:55- (Flikswich) if it was changed like lea was
-20:06:56- (sas^wlv) i wasn't a massive deck fan in ut1, but i think its a good map
-20:06:57- (Flikswich) so it works well
-20:06:59- (Flikswich) i'd play it
-20:07:15- (rawlph) well wlv i think you like it because youre used to it
-20:07:21- (rawlph) and stomp people on it quite easily
-20:07:23- (Flikswich) but right now it has bad scaling, the gameplay's boring and it's a garunteed win for ut99 players
-20:07:31- (LifeWastage) as far as TDM maps go there are a lot more I could put before deck
-20:07:42- (caspa) in the sense that dodge jump is gone. half the community loved it (2k4 players), half hated it (ut99). but it made gameplay hitscan centered so ye it didnt come backk
-20:07:52- (sas^wlv) lol rawlph, thats not right at all :D
-20:07:59- (rawlph) well i dont know
-20:08:05- (rawlph) for what other reasons one could like deck
-20:08:06- (Flikswich) oh so why do u like deck then
-20:08:06- (rawlph) :/
-20:08:06- (sas^wlv) otherwise i'd love chill too ;)
-20:08:07- (LifeWastage) but I do want to see some of the classic reenvisioned to perhaps solve some of the more prominent issues
-20:08:14- (Flikswich) u said urself the 50a corridor makes it boring for 1v1
-20:08:18- (LifeWastage) Ive seen some wicked Tempest versions over the years
-20:08:29- (Loraxiz) say uhm Flikswich
-20:08:31- (sas^wlv) i did, but i think more about tdm than duel
-20:08:35- (Loraxiz) duel?
-20:08:37- (lo2dk) Deck is Deck
-20:08:41- (lo2dk) UT4 is UT4
-20:08:41- (Loraxiz) and did u fix erase yet?
-20:08:45- (Loraxiz) :p
-20:08:46- (Flikswich) probably
-20:08:46- (lo2dk) :D
-20:09:01- (raLa) rawlph: sas^wlv , i be up in 15 minutes for some games if you are :)
-20:09:05- (rawlph) sure
-20:09:06- (sas^wlv) yeah, deck?
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-20:09:11- (rawlph) can do deck
-20:09:11- (rePeteGG) :D
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-20:09:13- (sas^wlv) :D
-20:09:20- (sas^wlv) hypno should be here in 10
-20:09:22- (rawlph) i dont wanna be a pussy about it
-20:09:23- (sas^wlv) rala about as well?
-20:09:23- (raLa) i want campgrounds
-20:09:28- (lo2dk) i wanna play with rala and aco
-20:09:30- (lo2dk) lets do a 4v4
-20:09:30- (rawlph) i simply find deck a terrible map :P
-20:09:32- (Flikswich) yeh go play deck in 2v2 where it's actually interesting
-20:09:38- (Flikswich) and the countles sgimicks add to it
-20:09:41- (lo2dk) fuck these 2v2 crap shoots. we are enough for 4v4. lets go.!
-20:09:41- (rePeteGG) raLa, make campground :D
-20:09:49- (Flikswich) rather than making it terrible
-20:10:13- (rePeteGG) i would be in for some tdm action
-20:10:17- (raLa) unfortunately i don't have the time to do that :/
-20:10:17- (lo2dk) 4v4 y0
-20:10:21- (sas^wlv) see, i dont understand why people like campgrounds
-20:10:24- (LifeWastage) lol wall run would make campgrounds OP
-20:10:25- (raLa) maybe we can do a 4on4 ?
-20:10:28- (sas^wlv) but loads of people do :D
-20:10:45- (rawlph) because at one point in their gaming career they were forced to play it
-20:10:48- (rawlph) and now theyre used to it
-20:10:50- (lo2dk) how does wall run work, i didnt play last couple of builds much. just a few minuttes
-20:10:51- (rawlph) sound familiar? ;D
-20:11:04- (lo2dk) hold down crouch?
-20:11:08- (rePeteGG) just hold down jump key when dodging along wall/slope
-20:11:09- (rawlph) nah jump
-20:11:12- (lo2dk) ok
-20:11:19- (raLa) what was asbetos? was it from ut99? or 2k3?
-20:11:23- (lo2dk) 2k3
-20:11:27- (raLa) liked that one as well pretty much
-20:11:30- (lo2dk) yes
-20:11:31- (rePeteGG) its nearly useless on 90° walls
-20:11:32- (LifeWastage) yeah dont try to jump release then decide to hold jump when you have the boots :P
-20:11:34- (lo2dk) ofc. cliffyb did it
-20:11:35- (lo2dk) the master
-20:11:38- (raLa) and goose
-20:11:40- (rePeteGG) but you can run quite a bit on slight slopes
-20:11:43- (lo2dk) who did Turbine, Tempst and other greats
-20:11:44- (LifeWastage) lol asbestos, that maps quite large
-20:11:45- (lo2dk) Tempest
-20:11:53- (lo2dk) Goose2k4 was made by SoMa
-20:11:57- (lo2dk) swizz guy
-20:12:00- (ZixXer) Hi guys and girls
-20:12:02- (lo2dk) who also did Fractionary-X2
-20:12:11- (lo2dk) hi ZixXer. long time no c!
-20:12:19- (ZixXer) ye
-20:12:22- (rawlph) [19:23:49] <+commits> [+Commit][Info: Fix crashes in PIE due to autologin when started via the launcher][Author: Peter Knepley]
-20:12:24- (rawlph) o _o
-20:12:34- (LifeWastage) Saiko :P
-20:12:44- (ZixXer) playing some games and watching some series
-20:12:48- (lo2dk) saiko was a bit badly optimized imo
-20:12:52- (lo2dk) fps wise
-20:12:55- (lo2dk) but played pretty well
-20:13:18- (ZixXer) I was hoping ut4 would run decent after a month or so but its still supper crap for me
-20:13:24- (LifeWastage) plenty of maps to choose from tbh
-20:13:26- (ZixXer) even empty shells
-20:13:38- (LifeWastage) there should be a vote, like a massive vote
-20:13:48- (lo2dk) tried latext build ZixXer?
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-20:13:55- (ZixXer) just recently
-20:13:57- (lo2dk) ok
-20:14:06- (lo2dk) i felt an improvement in last build
-20:14:13- (ZixXer) the thing is if i dont move around it runs fine 60+ easly
-20:14:13- (LifeWastage) make it so people can number the best maps in each category 1-10
-20:14:13- (lo2dk) but ofc it could be better still
-20:14:26- (LifeWastage) then add em all up and find out which has the most points
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-20:14:39- (ZixXer) but when i start shaking my mouse around the fps starts to plometing with spykes
-20:14:48- (LifeWastage) the map list would be in the hundreds though most likely so it'll take some time
-20:14:49- (lo2dk) ;/
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-20:15:09- (lo2dk) yeah i think you are right. i couldnt put my words on what it was ZixXer
-20:15:12- (lo2dk) but now that you say it...
-20:15:27- (ZixXer) try the stat unitgraph command and see