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- [20:43:50] <saa7_go> kuliah apa hari ini?
- [20:46:02] <Malsasa> kata kang engkur, perkenalan Linux dan jaringan
- [20:46:07] <engkur> ok ... sampe minggu depan kuliah linux lengkap....
- [20:46:16] <engkur> ok sekarang dari awal dulu
- [20:47:00] <Malsasa> MUANTAP!
- [20:47:02] <engkur> btw... pengen tau dulu nih
- [20:47:04] -*- Malsasa siap mendengar
- [20:47:26] <engkur> sejarah unix udah tau ?
- [20:47:39] <engkur> sejarah opensource ?
- [20:47:40] <saa7_go> langsung aja, om
- [20:47:41] <saa7_go> iptables
- [20:47:41] <saa7_go> :D
- [20:47:42] <Malsasa> engkur: tahu sedikit, Kang
- [20:48:04] <engkur> saa7_go, mau nya yang berat berat lo...
- [20:48:18] <saa7_go> masih bingung konsepnya
- [20:48:19] <saa7_go> :(
- [20:48:34] <engkur> yang enteng dulu skr ya
- [20:48:38] <Malsasa> siap
- [20:49:16] <engkur> ok, linux kan turunan dari unix, btw seberarnya unix itu yang mana ?
- [20:49:57] <saa7_go> environmentnya?
- [20:50:33] <engkur> hmm maksud ku asli nya unix
- [20:50:40] <saa7_go> at & t?
- [20:51:21] <saa7_go> atau unix buatan dosennya linus/
- [20:51:23] <saa7_go> ?
- [20:51:35] <engkur> kalo dari sejarah sih, unix iu di bikin sama 2 orang ya, brian cargegie, ken tompson, satu lagi lupa
- [20:51:49] <saa7_go> wah, lha kuwi
- [20:52:02] <engkur> th 1969 dia ini orang AT&T
- [20:52:11] <Malsasa> Kernighan?
- [20:52:45] <engkur> telkom nya amerika, waktu itu ada peraturan, perusahaan telkom enggak boleh jualan software
- [20:53:17] <engkur> tadi nya software unix buat ngembangin mesin swithing telepon, kayak nya sih
- [20:53:24] <jail> .
- [20:54:25] <engkur> jadi awal awal unix th 70-80 unix dari at&t ini di bagi bagi ke komunitas, dan ke kampus
- [20:54:36] <Malsasa> o, jadi enggak komersial?
- [20:54:48] <engkur> stanford, berkeley of calicornia, kebagian source code nya
- [20:55:13] <engkur> iya th 1970-80 belon keliatan untung nya jualan software unix
- [20:55:59] <engkur> masih reset aja, tapi di sebut nya share code...
- [20:56:03] -*- Malsasa menyimak dengan mata belo
- [20:56:28] <engkur> th 80 ketika banyak pengembangan software unix ini di pake di industri
- [20:57:04] <engkur> mulai orang pada bikin versi versi unix, karena ngeliat duit gede di dunia industri
- [20:58:01] <engkur> jadi lah unix komersial kayak sunos, irix, xenix, hp-ux, aix sampe ratusan versi kayak nya
- [20:58:26] <engkur> hampir semua nya berasal dari unix yang at&t itu
- [20:58:34] <engkur> hampir karena ada beberapa yang enggak
- [20:59:08] <engkur> yang cuma ngitutin standar unix aja
- [20:59:54] <engkur> kayak... minix ini di bikin oleh andrew tannembaum profesor dari belanda
- [21:00:10] <engkur> di bikin buat tujuan belajar aja
- [21:01:29] <-- jail (~jail@120.168.1.104) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
- [21:02:48] <engkur> yang sekarang jadi blackberry os 10... QNX
- [21:03:26] <engkur> btw kalau sekarang kita liat software software konsol linux
- [21:03:49] <engkur> itu adalah reinkarnasi dari software unix th 70-80
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- [21:04:12] <engkur> bahkan masih ada software dari jaman dulu masih di pake sampe sekarang
- [21:04:26] -*- Malsasa memahami
- [21:04:50] <engkur> kayak vi, emacs, sendmail, bind, shell....
- [21:05:40] --> dokeh (724f1036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.114.79.16.54) has joined #ubuntu-indonesia
- [21:05:54] <engkur> programming kayak c, c++, awk, perl, tcl, ini udah ada sebelum jaman linux
- [21:06:37] <engkur> jadi 70-80 bisa di biling unix masih tahap reset di kantor at&t dan kampus, belum dilirik oleh industri
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- [21:07:36] <engkur> 80-90 nah unix rame rame di pake di industri, buat design segala macem, buat server, komunikasi telko, dll
- [21:07:44] <steyzxxx> jadi bahasa yan paling dibutuhkan saat ini apa mas?
- [21:07:57] <Malsasa> WOW, BERDATANGAN
- [21:08:17] <Malsasa> steyzxxx: akhirnya akang datang, silakan kuliah...
- [21:08:21] <engkur> tapi waktu itu harga nya selangit, paling murah aja 3000 usd
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- [21:08:46] <Malsasa> galih: wih, senangnya akang datang
- [21:08:50] <engkur> unix free, belon ada....
- [21:09:04] <steyzxxx> Hahaha.. dosennya mas engkur ya?
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- [21:09:12] <engkur> tapi udah di rintis sama si gembel gondrong... tuh richard stallman
- [21:09:24] <engkur> sekitar th 84
- [21:09:51] <galih> malsasa sip
- [21:09:59] <engkur> dia berusaha bikin software free, di tengah komersialisasi unix
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- [21:10:17] <steyzxxx> kang, linux kan opensource, jadi cara kita ngubah source nya gimana kang?
- [21:10:24] <Alakulihal> Waaw... Rameeee....!!!!!!1
- [21:10:30] <galih> belajar apa'an nih sekarang..
- [21:10:32] <engkur> komputer pc, masih komputer kacangan waktu ini, belon di pake di industri....
- [21:10:38] <mufid> aku baru belajar linux nih
- [21:10:48] <arif> izin nimbrung kang :v
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- [21:11:08] <engkur> pc masih pake dos, pake disket, hdd 10mb-50mb, ram paling gede 2-4mb
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- [21:11:31] <Malsasa> WIH, BERDATANGAN!
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- [21:11:45] <linuxadm> halooooo
- [21:11:45] <Malsasa> linuxadm: ngibul123: sugih: selamat datang
- [21:11:54] <Malsasa> linuxadm: senangnya akang datang
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- [21:12:07] <Malsasa> galih: selamat datang
- [21:12:18] <ngibul123> halo, :D
- [21:12:21] <engkur> sementara komputer unix, udah selagit harga nya, udah pake ram 128mb, hdd 100mb, udah ada network....
- [21:12:27] <ngibul123> jam berapa mulainya nih?
- [21:12:28] <Malsasa> ramenyaa, sungguh mengingatkan pada masa-masa itu
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- [21:12:32] <engkur> harga nya seharga mobil...
- [21:12:42] <blackmamba> hallo salam kenal
- [21:12:45] <galih> Malsasa : sip bro
- [21:12:46] <engkur> ok....
- [21:12:47] <Malsasa> ngibul123: sst, lagi kuliah ini, Kang. Itu kang engkur lagi kasih materi
- [21:13:03] <ngibul123> ooh. ok :))
- [21:13:14] <linuxadm> wah ketingggalan pembicaraan
- [21:13:22] <engkur> th 1990-2000 ini baru kebangkitan software opensource, tapi unix masih menguasai industri
- [21:13:42] <blackmamba> klo bikin distro linux gimana ya caranya??
- [21:13:45] <linuxadm> saya pernah pake sco-unix... malah masih punya disketnya :D
- [21:13:51] <engkur> sementara pc + windows udah di pake di perkantoran, rumah.... udah pada tau lah ya
- [21:14:02] <mufid> gak paham..
- [21:14:26] <arif> cara ngenalin linux ke orang awam gmana kang? biar tertarik
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- [21:15:22] <epafrashg> malam
- [21:15:22] <engkur> ada beberapa unix free yang bermunculan, tapi yang mencapai tingkat mature itu linux dan freebsd
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- [21:15:34] <engkur> ada minix, yang hanya di pake di kampus
- [21:15:44] <engkur> sekarang jadi opensource juga
- [21:16:27] <Malsasa> epafrashg: Gala: selamat datang
- [21:16:33] <engkur> unix sendiri di beli novell lupa tahun nya
- [21:16:37] <Malsasa> arif: kasih mereka Otodidak versi 1, Kang
- [21:16:39] <Gala> apa nih kelebihan ubuntu daripada windows
- [21:16:42] <Alakulihal> Maaf mas-mas yang baru datang, saat ini lagi ada kuliah, jadi jika ingin bertanya silahkan PM saya yang kira-kira bisa dijadikan tempat bertanya selain om engkur (dosennya)
- [21:16:47] <engkur> terakhir di beli sama sco... jadi sco unixware
- [21:16:48] <epafrashg> welcome to
- [21:16:59] -*- Malsasa lagi mendengar kuliah
- [21:17:10] <sugih> Ikutan nyimak kang .. :)
- [21:17:14] <Alakulihal> #Ralat Maaf mas-mas yang baru datang, saat ini lagi ada kuliah, jadi jika ingin bertanya silahkan PM saja yang kira-kira bisa dijadikan tempat bertanya selain om engkur (dosennya)
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- [21:17:43] <epafrashg> malsasa: ane dah punya gan yang otodidaknya
- [21:17:46] <Malsasa> pakdhe: selamat datang, Kang. Kuliah sedang berlangsung.
- [21:17:59] <engkur> ok sampe 2000 an unix masih di industri besar, kayak telko, engineering,
- [21:18:10] <epafrashg> memangnya ada update terbaru ya?
- [21:18:35] <engkur> linux walaupun udah punya software yang sejenis dengan unix, tapi belon siap, karena belum mature...
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- [21:19:04] <engkur> ok 2000- sampe sekarang nah linux menguasai dunia software, ngegantiin unix
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- [21:19:10] <pakdhe> Malsasa ; terimakasih ..... smentara nyimak dulu .......
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- [21:19:57] <andriawan> nyimak dlu
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- [21:20:09] <engkur> linux sekarang menyasar kemana mana, supercomputer kayak cray jaguar, cray titan
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- [21:20:48] <engkur> embedded kayak router huawei, modem, PLC....
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- [21:21:19] <andriawan> tp jgn membandingkan antar OS ya.. masing2 punya kelebihan dan kekurangannya
- [21:21:23] <engkur> belakangan ke mobile device yang elo elo pake kan, android di hp, tablet, komputer mobil, gps....
- [21:21:43] <engkur> emang .... punya kelebihan kekurangan
- [21:21:59] <Guest23432> hallo semua
- [21:22:11] <Malsasa> Guest23432: selamat dayang, Kang
- [21:22:14] <engkur> punya pasar sendiri sendiri sih
- [21:22:24] <Malsasa> datang*
- [21:22:30] <engkur> kayak windows itu pasar nya desktop, server sih masih kalah sama linux
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- [21:23:12] <engkur> apple pasar nya di industri publising, grafis, animasi
- [21:23:25] <doks> kali ini temanya apa kang?
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- [21:23:42] <Alakulihal> Guest23432, mari bergabung di kuliah malam ini mas.
- [21:23:43] <engkur> ok sekarang apa unix udah punah... enggak juga sih
- [21:23:47] <pakdhe> di tempat saya banyak yg tertarik dgn linux, cuma pengakuan mereka utk technical support nya agak kurang, bingung kalo error mw nanya ke mana
- [21:24:02] <phaethon> udah mulai yah ??
- [21:24:16] <engkur> hp-ux, aix, solaris masih exis tapi pasar nya terus menyusut
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- [21:24:54] <engkur> ok itu pengenalan linux aja...
- [21:24:57] <phaethon> mau bahas apaan nih?
- [21:24:59] <doks> banyak temenku yg tertarik sama linux..tp masih pada bingung :3
- [21:25:00] <engkur> sejarah nya
- [21:25:01] <andriawan> skr orang2 lbh memilih kepraktisannya, terutama dari segi grafik
- [21:25:05] <engkur> ada yg tanya...
- [21:25:25] <Malsasa> phaethon: iya, mulai ini, Kang
- [21:26:02] <sayed-linuxer> mas malsasa
- [21:26:05] <Guest23432> mau tanya dong master"
- [21:26:05] <arif> kalo ditanya apakah kernel juga merupakan OS
- [21:26:16] <sayed-linuxer> gabung ni ya lagi kuliah gratis nih :d
- [21:26:17] <Malsasa> engkur: dulu zaman UNIX, instalasi aplikasi bagaimana, Kang?
- [21:26:27] <engkur> ok... lanjut ke jenis jenis linux sedikit freebsd
- [21:26:31] <Malsasa> sayed-linuxer: saya senang sekali akang datang
- [21:26:35] -*- Malsasa mendengar
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- [21:26:45] <sayed-linuxer> hahahaha
- [21:26:47] <Malsasa> WOW RAMENYAA
- [21:26:57] <sayed-linuxer> kebetulan lagi ada modem nih sekalian buat laporan
- [21:26:59] <engkur> pelopor distro linux itu sls, itu distro pertama
- [21:27:18] <aridamy> assalamualaikum kawan
- [21:27:20] -*- Malsasa catat
- [21:27:24] <Malsasa> wa'alaikumussalam
- [21:27:32] <engkur> Malsasa, jaman dulu kalo install hampir selalu compile dari source code,
- [21:27:34] <aridamy> ijin nyimak dan belajar :D
- [21:27:49] <Malsasa> engkur: hmmm, belum ada APT sama sekali di zaman UNIX, Kang?
- [21:27:50] <engkur> karena kebanyakan software unix di distribusi source code nya
- [21:27:59] <zeng> Bismillah ...
- [21:28:07] <thrvers> wa'alaikumsalam
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- [21:28:10] <engkur> bukan precompile
- [21:28:11] <engkur> ok sls ini berubah jadi slakware
- [21:28:30] <sayed-linuxer> jadi ini lagi bahas apa mas malsasa?
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- [21:29:02] <engkur> jadi slakware distro tertua yang masih idup sampe sekarang
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- [21:29:16] <engkur> trus di amerika ada redhat, yang bikin distro redhat, tadi nya full gratis
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- [21:29:43] <andriawan> ane pngen mendalami slackware, byk ilmu dsana
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- [21:30:04] <engkur> di eropa ada suse, yang akhir nya di beli sama novell
- [21:30:17] <phaethon> kalau prospek perkembagnag ubuntu skrang bgmna?
- [21:30:54] <Malsasa> Alhamdulillah, rame banget malam ini. Terharu rasanya :)
- [21:31:06] <engkur> ada sepasang kekasih nih, ian murdock dan deborah, yang bikin distro debian ( deb-ian )
- [21:31:08] <Malsasa> sayed-linuxer: PM
- [21:31:27] -*- Malsasa menyimak kuliah dengan mata belo
- [21:31:28] <sugih> Seminggu googling masih belum dapet cara nginstal modem smartfren Ce682 UI di Debian 7 .. Udah dicoba beberapa cara mulai dari nginstal wvdial tapi tetep aja gagal .. Akang2 disini ada yang bisa mungkin .. ?? .. Minta bimbingannya kang ,, atau sekedar berbagi link artikel juga boleh .. :)
- [21:31:59] <engkur> itu 3 besar distro, 90% distro distro yang belakangan ngikutin ketiga distro itu
- [21:32:09] <Torex> Smartfren jangan dipake buat Linux, susah, gawe stress, dll. :D
- [21:32:24] <engkur> btw slakware enggak di sukai di industri, komunitas nya sedikit....
- [21:32:34] <doks> sugih, sy pernah nginstal modem smart tp lupa caranya :D
- [21:32:44] <engkur> orang hacker aja kayak nya
- [21:32:45] <galih> sugih: http://sinaugratis.wordpress.com/2013/05/15/memasang-smartfren-haier-ce682-di-ubuntu-mint/
- [21:33:43] <arif> deb- ian ternyata sepasang kekasih :v *ngakaka
- [21:33:47] <engkur> ada aliran yang berbeda di antara distro ini, kayak gentoo, arc, LFS, yang memilih jalur compile dari source
- [21:34:00] <linuxadm> wah rame malah jadi krodit :D
- [21:34:12] <Torex> Nyatanya, perlu cinta buat mengembangkan Linux. :D
- [21:34:17] <ngibul123> wooi ini lagi kuliah taookk gan engkur lagi ngasih kuliah diem nape pada jadi nyampur chat lognyaaa
- [21:34:47] <engkur> itu yang linux...
- [21:35:02] <doks> *nyimak*
- [21:35:04] <engkur> sambitin aja yang pada ribut
- [21:36:03] <engkur> ok aliran freebsd punya kerajaan nya sendiri, terakhir menjadi openbsd, netbsd, pcbsd, ghostbsd, dan debian-kfrebsd
- [21:36:30] <engkur> ada perbedaan mendasar dari freebsd vs linux
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- [21:36:46] <sayed-linuxer> freebsd itu linux apa unix ya?
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- [21:36:58] <engkur> kalo freebsd membebaskan developer menjadikan jadi closesource
- [21:37:03] <engkur> linux enggak boleh
- [21:37:20] <engkur> freebsd = free versi unix
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- [21:37:29] <engkur> linux = unix like
- [21:38:04] <engkur> kalo freebsd, itu unix beneran cuma yang gratisan nya aja
- [21:38:22] <engkur> linux itu bukan unix, walaupun mencontoh cara kerja unix
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- [21:39:03] <engkur> mangkanya lebih banyak persamaan antara freebsd vs solaris vs maxosx
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- [21:39:10] <engkur> dari pada ke linux
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- [21:39:55] <uzhanx> cara dapet wifi passwd gmana ya gan
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- [21:40:17] <engkur> ok ada yang tanya soal pembagian distro....
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- [21:40:41] <engkur> jadi saran gue kalo mau nguasai linux, cuma 3 yang wajib di ketahui
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- [21:40:50] <engkur> opensuse atau sles
- [21:40:56] <uzhanx> apa itu?
- [21:41:13] <engkur> fedora atau rhel
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- [21:41:27] <engkur> debian dkk
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- [21:41:51] <akbarsahata> debian dkk? berarti Kali masuk gak?
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- [21:41:58] <uzhanx> unix = 1.slackware 2.redhat 3.debian
- [21:42:07] <engkur> yang laen bisa di pelajari sambil lah, karena kebanyakan mirip mirip aja
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- [21:42:24] <engkur> linux bukan unix....
- [21:42:48] <engkur> yang unix itu freebsd, solaris, maxosx, hp-ux, irix, aix
- [21:42:58] <uzhanx> ada yang bilang unix di bagi jadi 3 itu, berarti salah?
- [21:43:36] <engkur> slakware... boleh boleh aja, cuma kalo masuk ke dunia industri kayak telko, hosting, dll jarang banget di pake
- [21:43:44] <engkur> kebanyakan orang hobi aja
- [21:44:00] <engkur> linux itu bukan unix...
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- [21:44:18] <uzhanx> owh, jadi beda ya. dari segi apa
- [21:45:08] <engkur> code nya beda, cara kerja di kernel nya berbeda
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- [21:45:22] <engkur> btw... yang di sebut linux itu cuma kernel
- [21:45:41] <engkur> liat kernel.org itu linux
- [21:46:14] <engkur> software di atas nya kebanyakan dari gnu, selain itu banyak lagi dari komunitas
- [21:46:35] <engkur> coba liat sourcefoge.net sekarang github
- [21:47:15] <engkur> freebsd, linux, dan sebagian unix komersial, memakai software yang sama
- [21:47:38] <engkur> kayak gnome ada di linux, ada di freebsd, ada di solaris...
- [21:47:45] <uzhanx> oke saya sudah buka satu2, apa unix itu berbayar?
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- [21:48:18] <engkur> begitu juga yang laen nya kayak gcc, server server kayak samba, apache, bind, dll
- [21:48:19] <uzhanx> gnome itu apa ya dan KDE juga
- [21:48:29] <engkur> unix ada yang komersial ada yg free
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- [21:49:03] <engkur> gnome kde itu gui front end aja buat linux
- [21:49:12] <engkur> btw siapa yang pake android ?
- [21:49:29] <Guest31435> kk aku mau belajar linux tuh harus mulai dari mana sih, desktop atau server? bedanya apa?
- [21:49:33] <engkur> android itu pake kernel linux, tapi interface gui nya udah beda dengan linux
- [21:50:20] <Gala> berarti android juga linux ya?
- [21:50:22] <engkur> Guest31435, sama aja...
- [21:50:29] <uzhanx> kernel itu kan inti suatu sistem, sebenernya kernel itu apa, apa sebuah bahasa, apa logaritma apa gmana ya
- [21:50:41] <andriawan> trus klo mau concern di jaringan, server. pake linux apa?
- [21:50:48] <engkur> kalo desktop di pake buat notebook, desktop pc
- [21:50:56] <ngibul123> dah mulai tanya jawab nih ya
- [21:51:23] <engkur> server misalnya buat server hosting.... server file, cloud dll lah
- [21:51:52] <uzhanx> ada yang sering di tanyakan pengguna windows, kalo linux itu free apa keuntungan yang buatnya?
- [21:52:20] <penyun52> jadi kalo ada yg bilang kamu makek OS linux itu salah atau benar :D
- [21:52:24] <engkur> kernel itu software paling inti, yang menangani driver ke hardware, dan ke aplikasi di atas nya
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- [21:53:03] <engkur> kernel = 90%' bhs C
- [21:53:24] <ngibul123> mas engkur, pernah denger / pake menuet OS nggak? bisa dijelasin nggak tentang itu? soalnya dari baca2 dia berbeda ya dari linux
- [21:53:27] <engkur> algoritma nya... tergantung programmer nya
- [21:53:32] <uzhanx> ya linux stabil karena pake C ada yang sempat blng itu
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- [21:54:04] <engkur> linux itu free, bukan berarti selalu gratis
- [21:54:12] <engkur> 90% linux gratis
- [21:54:19] <suriz> a
- [21:54:33] <suriz> asikkk
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- [21:54:52] <ikbal87> kalau mau tes dual booting tuotrnya dimana engkur
- [21:54:58] <uzhanx> sebenarnya masih bingung karna terlalu banyak distro. gimana sumber2/sesepuh linux dan UNIX . kalo windows sendiri apa sebenarnya
- [21:55:13] <engkur> orang linux dapet duit dari service, kayak maintenance hardware, developer software, support ....
- [21:55:29] <uzhanx> tetapi linux dapat di remaster secara free kan??
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- [21:55:46] <sayed-linuxer> windows itu sistem operasi milik microsoft
- [21:55:55] <engkur> menuet os, itu kalo gak salah semua nya di program pake assembly jadi cukup di disket aja
- [21:56:03] <engkur> udah jalan full gui
- [21:56:06] <sayed-linuxer> source kodenya tidak diizinkan untuk di modif
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- [21:56:37] <suriz> hmmm
- [21:56:42] <Guest31435> kok waktu kemaren pas di lab kampus terminal di linux itu bash, tapi pas dirumah aku coba instal ubuntu bukan bash ? dan bash itu apa sih? maaf banyak nanya. aku blm jelas banget
- [21:56:49] <engkur> ok windows.... ini closesource, code nya enggak boleh di liat
- [21:57:03] <engkur> beda sama linux, download dan buka deh tuh kernel linux
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- [21:57:07] <uzhanx> banyak user baru mengeluhkan banyak hardware mereka yang gak suprt, mungkin ini perlu di atasi, seperti VGA, modem, dan driver
- [21:57:27] <engkur> ada sekitar 500mb file soucecode linux kalo di buka
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- [21:57:51] <sayed-linuxer> terminal di linux kebanyakan menggunakan bash
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- [21:58:07] <aseprochmat> malam gan...
- [21:58:07] <engkur> uzhanx, masalah nya bukan enggak support, tapi enggak bekerja dengan bener
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- [21:58:20] <engkur> di tweak dikit biasanya jalan
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- [21:58:47] <engkur> masalah nya developer distro enggak mungkin bisa testing di semua hardware
- [21:58:48] <suriz> ad yg tau bottleneck
- [21:58:50] <suriz> ??
- [21:58:52] <ichalsmiler> maaf newbie.. cara install repo ubuntu dari file iso bagaimana?
- [21:58:58] <engkur> resource orang nya juga kurang
- [21:59:07] <engkur> ok ok...
- [21:59:10] <uzhanx> dan mengapa Game2 itu jarang bisa di jalankan dengan baik di linux ya? itu juga banyak di keluhkan
- [21:59:18] <aseprochmat> maaf ada yang tau flaser
- [21:59:18] <engkur> jangan bangak tanya dulu...
- [21:59:29] <engkur> kita masuk cara install linux
- [21:59:38] <uzhanx> wkwk
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- [22:00:09] <engkur> uzhanx, karena game itu emang di design buat jalan di windows, di linux ya enggak bisa idup
- [22:00:30] <engkur> cara install linux macem macem ....
- [22:00:47] <engkur> malah lebih banyak cara install linux dari pada os lain
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- [22:01:29] <engkur> nih di list aja
- [22:01:35] <uzhanx> ane sih ribetnya pas install debian server text -.-
- [22:02:01] <aseprochmat> saya flash tp-link wa5210g ke ubnt nanostaion2 aksespoin pertama berhasil tapi yang ke 2 gak bisa ngapa ngapain ada solusi..?
- [22:02:19] <engkur> live-cd, live-usb, jalanin linux nya enggak perlu di install tapi jalan dari cd usb
- [22:02:53] <engkur> kalo ada yg tanya spesifik pm aja, ke siapa kek, gue jg gpp, tapi jangan di sini dulu ya
- [22:03:32] <engkur> buat pemula di sarankan pake livecd dulu.... hampir semua distro ada livecd nya
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- [22:04:26] <Bramandityo> ada SteamOS, kerjasama sama Nvidia buat menghadirkan pengalaman lebih baik memainkan Game di GNU/Linux
- [22:04:37] <uzhanx> windows sering kali di iklankan, tapi mengapa Linux tidak sehingga banyak orang yang masih awam mendengar kata itu
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- [22:05:11] <engkur> uzhanx, install linux ada mudah ada yang sulit... karena di linux biasanya banyak opsi yang belon di mengerti oleh pemakai pemula
- [22:05:20] <engkur> itu yang bikin berasa sulit
- [22:05:32] <engkur> di sarankan distro yang mainstream dulu
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- [22:05:51] <engkur> kayak opensuse, debian, ubuntu, fedora, linuxmint, slakware
- [22:05:52] <arif__> bagian paling krusial bagi pemula adalah di partisi
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- [22:06:06] <engkur> jangan yang aneh dulu misalnya gentoo...
- [22:06:14] <dasep> nah itu dia bagian partisi
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- [22:06:47] <dasep> masalahnya pernah sampai data kehapus, mungkin karena masih awam ya
- [22:07:04] <engkur> iya emang, bagian partisi, network, bootloader, itu kali yang bikin bingung
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- [22:08:17] <engkur> jadi kalo buat pemula silahkan pake yang mainstream dulu, bisa coba dulu pake livecd
- [22:08:23] <uzhanx> karna belajar partisi, hardisk saya pernah ke format, karna belajar edit loader(grub) 5 kali sehari install linux pernah. karna network conection eror sering .Tp ITULAH ILMU :)
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- [22:08:51] <dasep> padahal kan, kalau orang tahu masalah lisence pasti banyak memilih open source khususon #ubuntu
- [22:08:54] <engkur> yang udah advance, bisa bermain dengan linux server, virtualisasi, networking
- [22:09:22] <arif__> maksudnya virtualisasi apa kang?
- [22:09:32] <engkur> ok... sekarang desktop vs server
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- [22:09:46] <engkur> di linux semua distro bisa jadi server bisa jadi desktop
- [22:09:57] <engkur> tinggal cara install nya aja....
- [22:10:08] <engkur> mau di jadiin apa itu linux nya
- [22:10:26] <dasep> nah boleh tahu perintah-perintah untuk server dimana?
- [22:10:27] <engkur> arif__, virtualisasi = mesin virtual
- [22:10:40] <etc> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/installing
- [22:10:46] <engkur> pasang OS dalam OS
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- [22:11:20] <arif__> virtualbox dong :D
- [22:11:26] <ichalsmiler> kalau desktop dijadikan server nggak masalah ya?
- [22:11:27] <dasep> proxmox salahsatunya ya, untuk virtual
- [22:11:35] <engkur> dasep, perintah linux banyak banget... tapi bisa lah di cari, di internet banyak banget kok
- [22:11:51] <uzhanx> virtual box 9y)
- [22:11:55] <dasep> oke bang
- [22:12:06] <engkur> arif__, salah satu nya, tapi virtualbox enggak bagus di jadiin virtualmesin buat server
- [22:12:40] <engkur> virtualisasi = vmware, xen, kvm
- [22:12:49] <etc> http://opensource.telkomspeedy.com/wiki/index.php/Indeks_Perintah_Linux
- [22:12:54] <uzhanx> iya nih, saya biasa bikin server hosting via Virtual Box. recomendednya apa mas? yang pas
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- [22:13:00] <engkur> proxmox distro linux cluster
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- [22:13:41] <engkur> uzhanx, virtualbox performace nya kurang bagus, bagus nya buat desktop
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- [22:14:05] <faqihanakmodem> Selamat Malam :D
- [22:14:06] <engkur> kalo buat server, pake aja xen, kvm, yang komersial vmware
- [22:14:10] <sugih> yah koneksi internet nya putus nyambung ... maklum dikampung .. Ada orang Palabuhanratu disini .. ??
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- [22:15:19] <uzhanx> mantap om engkur nie
- [22:15:22] <engkur> beda nya deskop vs server, kalo desktop program utama nya ya desktop gui, kayak gnome, kde, browser chrome, firefox, libreoffice, dll
- [22:15:38] <dasep> saya orang cibatu cisaat kang sugih
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- [22:16:03] <engkur> kalo di bikin server... tugas utama nya melayani service kayak web, email, ftp, dns,
- [22:16:29] <engkur> di server desktop gui gak penting... gue enggak pernah pasang software desktop di server
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- [22:17:19] <engkur> kalo ubuntu punya beberapa jenis iso, ada ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu server
- [22:17:41] <sugih> cisaat sukabumi kang dasep .. ?? .. pengen nyari guru yang mau ngebimbing belajar linux kang cuman nggk ada di palabuhanratu mah .. Minat pengen belajar linux .. :)
- [22:18:08] <engkur> kalo mau bikin desktop ambil aja misalnya ubuntu... kalo mau bikin server pilih ang versi server...
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- [22:18:26] <engkur> tapi distro laen kayak fedora, opensuse, slakware
- [22:18:39] <engkur> ngasih 1 cd atau dvd aja buat installer nya
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- [22:18:47] <ngibul123> kalo belajar linux pake cygwin efektif nggak sih?
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- [22:18:52] <aseprochmat> kang engkur
- [22:19:01] <uzhanx> apa benar linux itu lebih boros ya terhadap batre ? tapi saya rasain sih iya. OOT
- [22:19:02] <engkur> entar pas install ada pilihan, program apa aja yang yang mau di install gitu
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- [22:20:06] <engkur> ngibul123, cygwin itu buat jalanin software linux di windows, kayak wine di linux jalanin software windows
- [22:20:06] <dasep> iya kang sugih, tapi kerja di bogor, kebetulan di data center, tapi belum mafhum bener, makanya gabung sini, cari2 ilmu
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- [22:20:34] <engkur> uzhanx, enggak juga sih, sama aja
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- [22:21:26] <engkur> nah sekarang jaman internet udah kenceng
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- [22:21:53] <aseprochmat> kang engku punten ukeun bantosan
- [22:21:55] <engkur> distro opensuse, fedora, centos, bisa langsung install over internet, tanpa perlu bikin cd/dvd
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- [22:22:26] <engkur> gue sering install over internet kalo bikin server
- [22:23:03] <ngibul123> saya pernah install debian pake netinst sekali :p
- [22:23:11] <ngibul123> asik sih, custom gitu pilih2 ya
- [22:23:34] <uzhanx> over internet untk apa ya gunaya
- [22:24:03] <engkur> supaya enggak perlu bikin cd/dvd
- [22:24:05] <engkur> kelamaan
- [22:24:17] <faqih> Kalau saya sih, kalau mau install Debian, pastinya langsung pake Repo DVD, maklum koneksi miskin
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- [22:25:15] <engkur> ok....
- [22:25:31] <uzhanx> selamat malam semoga lancar pak, saya tinggal dulu
- [22:25:38] <engkur> kita bahas cara instalasi linux
- [22:25:49] -*- Malsasa masih mendengar
- [22:26:14] <engkur> kalo buat belajar sih enakan di virtual mesin aja dulu
- [22:26:28] <noerr> siap, jelaskan macam2 mount point juga pak
- [22:26:37] <faqih> pak, kalau yang kompi-nya "prihatin" bagaimana ?
- [22:26:39] <engkur> kalo udah ngerti baru sediain komputer beneran buat belajar
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- [22:26:56] <engkur> kalo di komputer beneran, ada beberapa cara
- [22:27:06] <engkur> dual boot ini banyak di pake
- [22:27:12] <Gala> virtual mechine cara makenya gimana ya?
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- [22:27:18] <engkur> atau dalem windows, kayak pake wubi
- [22:27:40] <sugih> Mending Dual boot .. pake Virtual ngabisin Ram ... #MenurutSaya
- [22:27:53] <engkur> Gala, pake virtualbox, vmware, atau paralel, kalo di mac
- [22:28:15] <Gala> saya di windows 7
- [22:28:18] <engkur> yap virtualmesin perlu ram gede
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- [22:28:37] <oktama> saya windows xp
- [22:28:46] <faqih> dan saya bangga :D
- [22:28:59] <Gala> ram sisa 2GB cukup buat virtual mechine apa ga?
- [22:29:10] <etc> http://betanews.com/2012/08/31/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-oracle-virtualbox/
- [22:29:13] <rahmadkur1> saya dual boot :D
- [22:29:15] <engkur> kalo pake virtualbox, komputer minimal perlu ram 2x dari total yang entar mau di jalanin di virtual mesin
- [22:29:46] <Pakdhe> prosessor ikut nentuin jln nya virtual g gan
- [22:29:48] <ngibul123> mending beli hardisk internal :p
- [22:29:57] <noerr> Gala, mending dualboot
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- [22:30:18] <rahmadkur1> ram untuk virtual box entar kan bisa diatur,mau dialokasikan berapa MB ramnya
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- [22:30:36] <engkur> ok...
- [22:30:47] <engkur> udah pada ngeri kan virtualbox, gampang kan
- [22:30:55] <rahmadkur1> iya gan mending dual boot aja :)
- [22:31:17] <etc> http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/dual-boot-windows-7-ubuntu.html
- [22:31:17] <Pakdhe> ane 4 boot
- [22:31:38] <noerr> udah, lanjut kang engkur
- [22:31:42] <Gala> mau nyoba dual boot, nambah partisinya gimana ya? c sama d udah keisi file penting, filenya besar, gak ada HDD ext
- [22:31:52] <rahmadkur1> pake apa aja tuh 4 boot gan Pakdhe ?
- [22:31:52] <engkur> yap dulu sebelum jaman virtualisasi, aku lebih seneng multiboot
- [22:32:10] <sugih> kang, ada efeknya nggk kalo hardisk terlalu banyak di partisi .. ??
- [22:32:18] <Pakdhe> win7, win8 BT & Precise
- [22:32:39] <faqih> @sugih lambat :D
- [22:32:47] <engkur> tapi sekarang lebih seneng pake virtual aja, karena, enggak repot soal partisi, dan gue bisa gonta ganti os di virtual dengan mudah
- [22:33:07] <rahmadkur1> gan @Gala sisa HDD ente berapa GB ?
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- [22:33:22] <engkur> jadi kalo gue 1 OS jadi host aja, aku pake linuxmint sekarang, buat percobaan bikin os, pasang semua nya di virtual
- [22:33:23] <arif-kincir> kalo ga salah 1 HDD itu maksimal 4 primary
- [22:33:25] <Gala> 50
- [22:33:58] <rahmadkur1> @engkur kalo ramnya besar mantap pake virtual box gan,kalo ane apalah ram cuman 2 GB hehehe
- [22:34:04] <eko> ramai juga disini!!! ndak seperti di #blankon Zzzz
- [22:34:26] <R-van> #nyimak..
- [22:34:28] <noerr> Gala, cukup itu, bikin partisi baru saja
- [22:34:31] <engkur> gue pake ram 8GB di notebook kantor
- [22:34:39] <rahmadkur1> @Gala,coba agan shrink partisinya di Disk management
- [22:34:41] <Pakdhe> efeknya kalo main partisi keseringan tu hdd bisa lewat, klo kinerja OS biasa saja, ibaratnya 1 mobil punya 4 sopir
- [22:34:41] <engkur> punya sendiri 4GB
- [22:34:44] <aseprochmat> mas engkur saya punya virtualbox tapi kalo di aktipin internet jadi gak konek knapa tuh...
- [22:34:54] <rahmadkur1> wkwkwk 8 Gb iyalah gan
- [22:34:57] <faqih> jangan sampai 1 gb aja kalau ram laptopnya cuma 2 gb :D
- [22:35:01] <engkur> 8GB udah bisa jalanin sampe 6 vm, masing masing 1gb
- [22:35:01] <noerr> rahmadkur1, saya malah cuma 1 GB
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- [22:35:24] <sugih> di windows saya bikin 2 partisi ,, sedangkan di linux saya bikin 4 partisi Root 5 GB, boot 1 gb, Swap 2 gb, Home sisa .. Kapasitas hardisk 250 gb .. Normal nggk segitu .. ??
- [22:35:43] <faqih> normal kok :3
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- [22:35:50] <engkur> gpp
- [22:36:05] <Pakdhe> engkur ; prosessor ngaruh juga g di virtual cos amd ane sepertinya ngelag
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- [22:36:20] <dimas> malam semuanya, izin nyimak ya..
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- [22:36:33] <engkur> linux desktop sekarang minta sekitar 2gb fresh install 1 cd
- [22:36:33] <faqih> yah ndak normal tuh, partisinya / cuma 1 gb terus swapnya 25 gb XD
- [22:37:16] <engkur> kalo mau install segala macem, sediain aja kira kira 4-5x dari kapasitas fresh install
- [22:37:30] <faqih> owh..
- [22:37:50] <Gala> rahmadkur1, ubuntu 12 kira2 butuh berapa gb ya?
- [22:37:52] <faqih> pak dimungkinkan tidak Puppy Linux di jadikan OS Server :)
- [22:37:54] <ngibul123> mas engkur mau tanya kalo swap itu sebenernya buat apa sih? katanya buat bantu ram, tapi nggak ngerti prinsipnya gimana
- [22:38:08] <engkur> jadi root / masih punya napas kalo di install sampe 5 gb gitu
- [22:38:35] <sugih> saya ngikutin guru saya disekolah kang engkur .. :D
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- [22:38:45] <ecoz> Hay abraoximenes .... Selamat datang di channel ini
- [22:38:58] <engkur> swap itu virtual memory, artinya kalo ram nya abis, os pake swap buat memory
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- [22:39:19] <ecoz> Hay dasep .... Selamat datang di channel ini
- [22:39:38] <engkur> faqih, semua linux bisa jadi desktop bisa jadi server
- [22:39:56] <dasep> tadi close bang ecoz
- [22:40:14] <engkur> btw ... penggolongan server vs desktop ini bikin bingung ya
- [22:40:58] <ecoz> iyaaa, gpp :-)
- [22:41:01] -*- Alakulihal nyimak lagi.
- [22:41:01] <eko> engkur: bedanya cuma di aplikasi
- [22:41:02] <dasep> iya, terutama waktu installnya itu?fungsinya juga
- [22:41:57] <engkur> kalo di lihat hardware, server jauh lebih handal dari pada desktop
- [22:42:10] <eko> disini rame juga ya... :-D hahhaha... seruuu seruu
- [22:42:13] <faqih> tapi juga boros listrik :D
- [22:42:34] <abraoximenes> ecoz: thenkyu
- [22:42:39] <engkur> hardisk yang daya tahan nya lebih lama
- [22:42:53] <engkur> lebih mahal juga
- [22:43:02] -*- Malsasa masih menyimak
- [22:43:03] <engkur> tapi dari segi software... beda
- [22:43:07] <eko> engkur: ya jelas lah pak, lha wong dia ON terus :-D
- [22:43:15] <sugih> Kalo bersihin file sampah di linux gimana kang .. kan kalo di widows bisa pake ccleaner.. Trus kalo mau ngedferag bisa pake disk defragmenter .. Kalo di Linux gimana .. saya pake Debian 7 ..??
- [22:43:17] <engkur> server itu enggak harus berjalan di komputer server
- [22:43:23] <eko> faqih: yg penting PLN'nya hidup terus pak...
- [22:43:26] <eko> :-D
- [22:43:47] <engkur> client itu engga harus jalan di desktop
- [22:44:06] <faqih> eko : tempat saya sering mati lampu, sudah 2 server jadi korban #yaomingface
- [22:44:07] <Gala> teirma kasih
- [22:44:11] <eko> sugih: pake bleachbit aja pak
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- [22:44:26] <engkur> ada 2 komputer, a & b
- [22:44:41] <engkur> kalo a akses ke b, b jadi server, a jadi client
- [22:45:04] <engkur> begitu sebalik nya.... enggak peduli merk, type komputer nya, apapun itu
- [22:45:19] <engkur> mau tablet, pc, notebook, server google... dll
- [22:45:47] <engkur> sugih, di ubuntu ada software janitor, bisa bersihin file temporer
- [22:46:03] <engkur> defrag gak perlu di linux
- [22:46:26] <faqih> pak, Intel Xeon itu termasuk 32 atau 64 bit sih ?
- [22:46:52] <eko> faqih: pake genset kalo gitu pak, genset elektronik... lebih aman
- [22:47:02] <sugih> Ok saya coba .. terimakasih bimbingannya kang .. (y)
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- [22:47:29] <ecoz> Hay rahmadkurniawan_ .... Selamat datang di channel ini
- [22:47:56] <engkur> xeon itu jenis procesor untuk server
- [22:47:59] <rahmadkurniawan_> hehehe hay gan,tadi koneksi terputus hehe
- [22:48:11] <engkur> sekarang sih procesor udah 64bit semua
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- [22:48:30] <engkur> procesor komputer, notebook, desktop, server ya
- [22:48:33] <ngibul123> bedanya 64 dan 32 bit itu apa sih mas?
- [22:48:36] <engkur> kalo di tablet, hp ya belon
- [22:48:38] <tamtam> * masih menyimak
- [22:48:53] <engkur> tau bilangan digital gak
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- [22:49:07] <engkur> sory bilangan binet
- [22:49:10] <engkur> sory bilangan biner
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- [22:49:24] <ngibul123> 00001 gitu ya?
- [22:49:32] <ngibul123> apalah pokoknya terdiri dari 0 dan 1
- [22:49:36] <engkur> yap itu biner
- [22:50:06] <Pakdhe> bikin kepala sakit tuh ngitungin 0 & 1 doang
- [22:50:09] <engkur> kalo bilangan biner 2 bit, ada berapa aja
- [22:50:20] <engkur> 00-01-10-11
- [22:50:35] <engkur> 0-1-2-3
- [22:50:38] <engkur> iya kan
- [22:50:56] <arif-kincir> yup
- [22:50:57] <ngibul123> hmm iya. *nggak ngerti banget tapi :p
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- [22:51:15] <noerr> iya, lanjut
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- [22:51:20] <engkur> kalo biner 3 bit, 000-001-010-011-100-101-110-111
- [22:51:21] <ecoz> Hay ichalsmiler .... Selamat datang di channel ini
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- [22:51:31] <engkur> 0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7
- [22:51:43] <dasep> betul itu pak
- [22:51:45] <sugih> Inget waktu kelas satu dulu ngitungin yang beginian .. dapet nilai kursi kebalik .. 0+0 = 1 .. Kalo nggk salah .. :D
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- [22:52:06] <engkur> jadi kalo 2 bit itu anggota nya 2^2
- [22:52:11] <faqih> -_- nyerah deh pak...
- [22:52:24] <engkur> kalo 3bit anggota nya ada 3^2
- [22:52:32] <engkur> up salah
- [22:52:41] <engkur> 3 bist = 2^3
- [22:52:46] <engkur> 3 bist = 2^3 = 8
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- [22:53:06] <engkur> kalo 32bit ada ? 2^32 = ????
- [22:53:21] <engkur> 64 bit = 2^64 =
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- [22:54:07] <eenpahlefi> selamat malam om..
- [22:54:10] <eenpahlefi> ijin gabung nih
- [22:54:13] <ngibul123> 1.844674407ร10ยนโน
- [22:54:24] <engkur> kalo 32bit ada ? 2^32 = 4294967296
- [22:54:37] <engkur> 64 bit = 2^64 = 18446744073709551616
- [22:54:48] <engkur> ya segitu bererot lah
- [22:55:11] <ngibul123> trus dengan bgitu, kenapa mas? *masih nggak mudeng bedanya
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- [22:55:38] <engkur> procesor 64 bit bisa akses memory lebih banyak dari pada 32 bit
- [22:55:55] <ngibul123> hooooo
- [22:55:58] <engkur> 32 bit cuma bisa 4gb per program
- [22:56:02] <ngibul123> i see i see
- [22:56:23] <engkur> kalo pake kernel pae bisa sampe 64gb sih
- [22:56:26] <sugih> 64 bit jalan di 32 bit ,, tapi 32 bit nggk jalan di 64 bit #CMIIW
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- [22:56:59] <engkur> tapi 64bit bisa sampe berapa tuh...128 peta byte
- [22:57:17] <noerr> sugih , bisa lebih jelas kang?
- [22:57:41] <engkur> walaupun sampe sekarang komputer paling gede cuma bisa pasang 1tb, ini yang server seharga ratusan jt
- [22:57:45] <ngibul123> trus untuk aplikasinya, biasanya kan beda tuh, bedanya dimana sih mas, kalo dalam fungsi programmingnya
- [22:58:12] -*- Malsasa masih mendengar
- [22:58:13] <engkur> aplikasi nya mirip sih sama aja...
- [22:58:34] <engkur> ok real aplikasi nya
- [22:59:03] <rahmadkurniawan_> *menyimak
- [22:59:05] <arif-kincir> untuk jalanin 32 di 64 ada library yg harus di install, kalo ga salah ia32-libs
- [22:59:13] <engkur> pernah pake aplikasi yang makan banyak memory....
- [22:59:19] <engkur> arif-kincir, iya bener
- [22:59:41] <arif-kincir> netbeans berat :(
- [22:59:42] <engkur> kayak foto editor, video editor
- [22:59:56] <sugih> noerr ,, misalkan Spek Pc 64 bit dipasang Os 32 bit atau 64 bit masih tetep jalan ,, Tapi kalo spek Pc 32 bit di pasang Os 64 bit nggk bisa jalan .. #SetauSaya #CMIIW
- [22:59:59] <engkur> developer system
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- [23:00:07] <engkur> server...
- [23:00:44] <revan> arsitektur komputer 32 bit kagak cocok ama 64 bit :v
- [23:00:57] <eenpahlefi> :v
- [23:01:05] <engkur> ok...
- [23:01:21] <engkur> udah ah bahas 32vs64 nya
- [23:01:33] <ngibul123> berarti gini ya mas gampangnya, analoginya memory dan bit procie di kendaraan itu kayak bit procie itu top speed-nya, sedangkan memory itu accelarasinya
- [23:01:34] <engkur> nah sekarang gimana cara bikin partisi di linux ?
- [23:01:48] <ngibul123> ups oke skip aja lah :D
- [23:02:22] <noerr> engkur , pake gparted, atau waktu instalasi , CMIIW
- [23:02:36] <engkur> ok...
- [23:02:39] <engkur> begini...
- [23:03:38] <engkur> kalo mau install fresh dari komputer kosong,,, di abisin pake linux ah gampang ini mah abisin aja semua nya
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- [23:03:54] <engkur> kalo mau dualboot dan udah ada data nya... nah hati hati di sini
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- [23:04:26] <engkur> di windows biasakan partisi buat OS berbeda dengan buat dokumen
- [23:04:38] <engkur> minimal bikin 2 partisi kalo buat windows doang
- [23:04:50] <engkur> mau pasang linux...
- [23:05:29] <rahmadkurniawan_> hehe iya gan,kalo masih komputer kosong tinggal next next aja,kalo udah ada data + mau dual boot mesti atur pastisi manual cmiiw
- [23:05:49] <engkur> misalnya sekarang cuma 1 partisi, resize dulu partisi itu, sebaik nya pake tool bukan dari linux
- [23:06:11] <engkur> dari dalem windows nya dulu aja di resize dulu
- [23:06:15] <eenpahlefi> mau nanya? beda nya raiser sama ext3?
- [23:06:19] <eenpahlefi> apaan yah?
- [23:06:26] <eenpahlefi> kalo buat proxy, bagusan mana..
- [23:06:27] <engkur> bikin freespace, yang cukup...
- [23:06:54] <engkur> eenpahlefi, private kalo mau tanya yang bukan di bahas
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- [23:07:15] <eenpahlefi> engkur: oke om .. maaf
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- [23:07:19] <sugih> kang kenapa ya kalo di Linux bisa akses partisi windows .. Sedangkan di windows nggk bisa baca partisi linux .. ?? .. Apa mungin Windows nggk bsa baca ext3 ext2 Ext4 .. ??
- [23:08:00] <ferdinan> *menyimak
- [23:08:26] <engkur> di linux ada code buat partisi windows, misalnya fat, ntfs gitu
- [23:08:27] <arif-kincir> sugih : ada aplikasinya
- [23:08:28] <sayed-linuxer> ya seperti itu lah
- [23:09:14] <sayed-linuxer> tingkat deteksi filesystemnya lebih memadai kalo di linux
- [23:09:15] <engkur> sedangkan di windows karena closesource, tertutup sifat nya, dan enggak ada orang yang mau bikin windows bisa langsung bca linux
- [23:09:23] <engkur> ya jadi nya enggak bisa langsung
- [23:09:29] <sayed-linuxer> tapi di windows terbatas
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- [23:09:45] <sugih> arif-kincir .. saya pake DiskInternals Linux Reader ... menurut agan gimana ..??
- [23:09:47] <engkur> btw ada kok, gue pernah pake, explore2fs
- [23:10:10] <sayed-linuxer> aplikasi windows tu ya mas engkur?
- [23:10:21] <engkur> yap explore2fs
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- [23:10:21] <arif-kincir> itu yg disaranin pak engkur
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- [23:10:47] <engkur> kalo bikin partisi buat linux...
- [23:11:03] <engkur> kalo buat belajar, enggak di pake buat sehari hari, buat nyicipin aja
- [23:11:11] <engkur> sediain sekitar 10gb aja
- [23:11:27] <engkur> kalo buat real kerja, minimal 50gb
- [23:11:27] <ranggadwi> malam mas semua. :)
- [23:11:31] <blindbandit> knapa nggak pake dual boot aja?
- [23:11:45] <blindbandit> ane pake dual win7 ama ubuntu 13
- [23:11:45] <engkur> ini mau bikin dualboot
- [23:11:47] <blindbandit> ups,
- [23:12:09] <dimas> izin tanya, emang kalau dualboot mempengaruhi kerja RAM?
- [23:12:12] <engkur> ok asli nya punya win 500gb....
- [23:12:19] <noerr> dimas , nggak
- [23:12:32] <dimas> oh
- [23:12:44] <engkur> 1 partisi 500gb.. ah kebanyakan kan
- [23:12:58] <engkur> 1 hdd 1partisi
- [23:12:58] <engkur> ok kita bagi bagi dulu
- [23:13:13] <blindbandit> oh iya, ane pernah mau uninstall ubuntu di dual boot, namun bingung milih partisi ubuntunya
- [23:13:23] <engkur> buat OS windows 7 atau 8 minimal kayak nya 50gb ya, sediain aja 100gb kali
- [23:13:42] <noerr> dimas , soalnya osnya jalan sendiri2, nggak bareng, gitu
- [23:14:06] <engkur> nah buat data windows nya, terserah deh, 100 gb atau lebih juga boleh
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- [23:14:25] <dimas> oh, thx infonya..
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- [23:14:52] <engkur> sisa nya misal nya sekitar 200gb kita buat linux, nah ini mau di abisin 1 distro apa mau di bikin beberapa distro lagi
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- [23:15:29] <noerr> jadiin 2 kang engkur
- [23:15:32] <engkur> ok kita mau pasang 2 distro ya
- [23:15:52] <engkur> jadi kita bikin partisi gmana
- [23:16:08] <sugih> setuju .. (y)
- [23:16:09] <Riqiesaksono> Malam para linuxer indonesi, ane ada masalah nih, masalah nya gak bisa install file .deb menggunakan console. mohon bantuan nya ?
- [23:16:13] <engkur> 500gb jadi C = 100gb, D = 200GB, sisa nya linux
- [23:16:23] <engkur> ok kita maenan partisi linux nih
- [23:17:08] <engkur> 200gb kita bikin 2 distro, misalnya buat ubuntu & fedora
- [23:17:25] <engkur> kita bikin 4 partisi aja.... gimana setuju
- [23:17:39] <sugih> Lanjutkan kang .. (y)
- [23:18:14] <noerr> 4 partisi cuman buat linux atau sudah termasuk windowsnya itu?
- [23:18:23] <engkur> 4 partisi buat linux aja
- [23:18:28] <engkur> total kalo sama windows ada 6 partisi
- [23:18:52] <sugih> Berarti yang ubuntu 2 partisi & fedora 2 partisi .. ??
- [23:19:34] <arif-kincir> kang Malsasa mungkin next project otodidak tentang partisi, step by step :D
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- [23:19:39] <engkur> 40gb / fedora, 40gb / ubuntu, 110gb /home (home ini di pake dua distro), swap 10gb
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- [23:20:07] <engkur> swap juga di pake barengan 2 distro itu
- [23:20:07] <arif-kincir> itu udah lebih dari 4 partisi, ngga dibikin extended dulu pak?
- [23:20:35] <engkur> begitu juga kalo lebih dari 2, /home dan swap bisa di pake barengan
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- [23:20:55] <engkur> arif-kincir, emang, kan belon ngomongin primary, extender, logical
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- [23:21:12] <arif-kincir> lanjut
- [23:21:16] <engkur> pasti nya kalo dari windows, C jadi primary
- [23:21:16] <noerr> yak, lanjut
- [23:21:20] <engkur> D jadi logical,
- [23:21:31] <engkur> extender itu enggak keliatan di windows
- [23:21:45] <engkur> partisi linux semua nya di logical
- [23:21:54] <sugih> *Nyimak
- [23:22:26] <noerr> oke paham, lanjut
- [23:22:51] <engkur> sebaik nya siapin dulu resize partisi nya di windows
- [23:23:15] <engkur> dari 500, resize jadi 100, bikin partisi 200gb, sisa nya kosong aja
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- [23:23:20] <engkur> jangan di apa apain
- [23:23:27] <engkur> nah siapin linux nya
- [23:24:03] <engkur> ok kita tentukan yang mau kita pake boot nya yang apaan nih, sebaik nya yang belakangan
- [23:24:29] <arif-kincir> grub?
- [23:24:38] <engkur> ok kita bikin ubuntu jadi bootloader nya, enta dari sana kita bisa boot windows, fedora dan ubuntu
- [23:24:44] <AralMelintang> *duduk manis membaca
- [23:24:53] <engkur> iya sekarang pake grub2
- [23:25:05] <engkur> jadi install yang pertama kali fedora
- [23:25:17] <sinobito> oya gan ane mau nanyak waktu buat partisi itu kan ada pemilihan beginning dan end itu bedanya apa ya gan ?
- [23:26:00] <arif-kincir> sinobito : kayaknya posisi partisi dalam piringan hdd
- [23:26:05] <engkur> begining itu ngitung dari awal freespace, kalo end dari belakang
- [23:26:36] <ugi_> test
- [23:26:42] <engkur> ok kita install fedora 19...
- [23:26:49] <sugih> lanjut .. (y)
- [23:27:12] <sinobito> oyaa ngerti ane sekarang :)
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- [23:27:20] <engkur> next next next, pas sampe partisi, pilih custom partition, atau kita milih layout partisi sendiri
- [23:27:40] <engkur> jangan next mulu, entar di abisin sama hdd nya sama fedora
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- [23:28:10] <noerr> heuheuheu, lanjut
- [23:28:32] <engkur> nah sampe keliatah hardisk nya
- [23:28:46] <engkur> default nya fedora itu pake lvm
- [23:29:05] <engkur> pilih enggak udah pake lvm dulu
- [23:29:32] <arif-kincir> nah lvm dgn ext bedanya apa pak?
- [23:29:35] <engkur> nah keliatan kan ada 3 partisi... masa 3....
- [23:30:02] <engkur> ada partisi kecil 100mb buat boot recovery si windows
- [23:30:15] <engkur> win vista, 7, 8 kayak nya udah pake
- [23:31:07] <engkur> arif-kincir, lvm buat gabung partisi, dan di dalem nya bisa di bikin partsi baru lagi
- [23:31:31] <engkur> ext3 ext4 mah udah filesystem, lvm itu bukan filesystem
- [23:31:45] <sugih> oh begitu ternyata .. Paham kang .. Lanjutkan .. (y)
- [23:31:53] <arif-kincir> semacem extended?
- [23:31:57] <engkur> jadi keliatan ada 4 parisi kayak nya coba di itung
- [23:32:13] <engkur> arif-kincir, mirip, tapi laen
- [23:32:44] <engkur> /dev/sda1 100mb bootrecovery windows biarin aja
- [23:33:01] <engkur> /dev/sda2 extended
- [23:33:14] <engkur> /dev/sda5 windows C
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- [23:33:22] <engkur> /dev/sda6 windows D
- [23:33:31] <engkur> freespace
- [23:33:52] <engkur> ok ngerti sampe di sini
- [23:34:11] <noerr> freespace berarti belum terpartisi
- [23:34:16] <engkur> iya
- [23:34:31] <sugih> Ada gambaran kang .. Lanjutkan .. (y)
- [23:34:41] <engkur> ok kita add di partition
- [23:34:54] <engkur> tentukan ukuran nya
- [23:35:14] <engkur> 30-40gb kayak nya cukup, sekitar 5gb fresh install fedora 19
- [23:35:40] <engkur> mount point = /
- [23:36:01] <engkur> type ext4
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- [23:36:23] <engkur> atau ada pilihan ext3, ext4, reiserfs, btrfs, xfs ....
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- [23:36:45] <engkur> pilihan aman sih pake ext3 atau ext4 aja
- [23:37:13] <engkur> reiserfs boleh aja
- [23:37:29] <engkur> btrfs, ini filesystem baru, jadi hati hati, kadang tool nya blon stabil, kadang sulit cari dokumentasi nya...
- [23:38:17] <engkur> xfs ini dari silicon graphics, di porting ke linux, cuma aku gak tau bisa jadi root di linux apa enggak, sebaik nya sih enggak
- [23:39:04] <engkur> btrfs atau xfs ini bisa jadi pilihan kalo suatu saat punya hdd super gede, di atas 16 tera byte.... !!! kapan ya
- [23:39:19] <engkur> ok ngaso dulu bentar
- [23:39:25] <engkur> cari minum aus oey
- [23:40:05] <sinobito> kalau dari kecepatan,cepatan pake ext atau xfs gan ?
- [23:40:07] <sugih> heheu .. sambil ngopi kang .. :D
- [23:40:31] <engkur> bentar cari mimun dulu
- [23:41:34] <sinobito> hehehe
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- [23:41:56] <engkur> gak berasa beda nya tuh...
- [23:42:20] <engkur> kalo partisi nya super gede pake deh xfs lebih cepet
- [23:42:59] <noerr> nah hubungannya apa sama kapasitas hdd ?
- [23:43:13] <engkur> bikin partisi kedua, tapi enggak usah di format, enggak udah di isi mount point nya ini buat ubuntu
- [23:43:18] <sinobito> hehe kirain cepatan xfs gan,soalnya ane sih pake ext4 ehehe
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- [23:44:04] <engkur> filesystem itu enggak ada yang best all
- [23:44:40] <engkur> ada yang bagus di partisi gede tapi enggak bagus di yang kecil...
- [23:45:18] <sinobito> hehe,sama seperti materi yg kita bahas juga tadi soal 32 bit dan 64 bit juga demikian,
- [23:45:43] <sugih> jangan biner lagi .. hehe .. :D
- [23:45:52] <engkur> trus bikin partisi swap, ini ukuran nya 2x ram, tapi gak harus exact beneran, kalo ram gede boleh aja 1x atau 1/2 jg gpp
- [23:46:12] <engkur> asal jangan enggak pake, entar linux nya complain, enggak mau di install
- [23:46:36] <engkur> sisa nya buat /home abisin aja
- [23:46:44] <AralMelintang> setau saya xfs performanya lebih cepat. tapi punya 1 kelamahan. ngak bisa di resize untuk dikecilin. di system yang sibuk, xfs lebih bagus handle baca tulis dibanding ext4.
- [23:46:53] <engkur> mulai deh install bla bla bla
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- [23:47:34] <engkur> AralMelintang, gue juga blon pernah resize xfs
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- [23:48:23] <engkur> fedora kelar, reboot lagi pake ubuntu, install ja di partisi kosong itu, dan biarin bootloader nya nemuin windows & fedora
- [23:48:27] <engkur> nah kelar kan...
- [23:48:52] <engkur> ok sampe jam 12 deh ya, tanya jawab aja nih
- [23:49:10] <sinobito> wah 12 menit lagi hehe,
- [23:49:21] -*- Malsasa menyimak
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- [23:50:16] <engkur> lewat dikin g18446744073709551616p lah
- [23:50:30] <engkur> hehe sory... ke paste
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- [23:50:42] <sugih> Besok Kumpul lagi .. Membahas tentang apa .. ??
- [23:51:18] <AralMelintang> buat tambahan kisah soal swap, ketika swap sudah mulai digunakan oleh system, biasanya performa system akan menurun karena pembacaan harddisk itu jauh lebih lambat dibandingkan memory. hal ini berlaku di semua sistem operasi
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- [23:52:06] <engkur> yap emang bener
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- [23:52:27] <eko> 8-) nyimak aja wes
- [23:52:41] <sinobito> AralMelintang : ketika swap sudah digunakan oleh system berarti memory ram kita udah habis ya gan ?
- [23:53:41] <AralMelintang> sinobito habis sama sekali sih tidak. tapi sudah tidak mencukupi
- [23:53:56] <b4mz> trus untuk membersihkan swap spy performa system menjadi lbh baik lg, bagaimana?
- [23:54:22] <engkur> swapoff -a
- [23:54:27] <engkur> swapon -a
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- [23:54:41] <sugih> trus partisi swap untuk apa gan .. ??
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- [23:55:17] <eko> 8-) nyimak aja wes
- [23:55:21] <b4mz> hatur nuhun om. engkur.. :)
- [23:56:29] <sinobito> sugih : partisi swap digunakan untuk memory backup apabila memory laptop kita sudah melebihi kapasitasnya,cmiiw
- [23:56:38] <ferdinan> maf kang engkur "swapoff -a" ntu langsung j d ketik d terminal yach??
- [23:56:59] <engkur> iya
- [23:57:06] <engkur> entar swap nya abis
- [23:57:28] <engkur> tapi kalo proses nya banyak dan sibuk, swapoff ini enggak mempan
- [23:57:47] <sinobito> cara melihat task managernya linux gmna ya gan ?
- [23:57:51] <engkur> di kill dulu program yang banbyak makan memory
- [23:58:12] <engkur> kalo gui, ada gnome-monitor
- [23:58:22] <engkur> kalo text mode ada top, htop
- [23:58:56] <sinobito> okee makasih jawabannya gan
- [23:59:27] <noerr> nah nge killnya gimana kalau lewat terminal
- [23:59:28] <Malsasa> htop paling jos
- [23:59:45] <Malsasa> sungguh, belum pernah saya temukan Task Manager sekelas htop
- [23:59:50] <noerr> misalkan udah cek pake top
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- [00:00:15] <engkur> liat pid nya
- [00:00:36] <dimas> terima kasih atas ilmunya...
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- [00:00:39] <engkur> misalnya 1234
- [00:00:40] <sugih> *exit dulu gan .. Ntar mampir kesini lagi .. Terimakasih bimbingannya akang2 semua .. (y)
- [00:00:40] <dimas> selamat malam
- [00:00:43] <sinobito> Malsasa : mode test ya gan,sudah ane bayangkan gmna htopnya ehehehe
- [00:00:44] <engkur> kill -9 1234
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- [00:01:06] <noerr> kok pake -9 ?
- [00:01:13] <Malsasa> Malam ini sungguh luar biasa :D
- [00:01:38] <noerr> bentar sambil man kill dulu
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- [00:02:11] <eko> 8-) sedang nyimak
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- [00:05:31] <engkur> ah skr nyantai dulu...
- [00:05:52] <sinobito> hehe,rilex dlu
- [00:06:00] <AralMelintang> -9 itu adalah bunuh paksa
- [00:06:06] <AralMelintang> simplenya seperti itu
- [00:06:48] <noerr> oke makasih om AralMelintang , :p
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- [00:07:38] <engkur> bisa pake killall
- [00:07:46] <Malsasa> enak killall :)
- [00:07:51] <b4mz> :v
- [00:08:00] <sinobito> kalo killall lebih baek di restart aja om :v
- [00:08:08] <engkur> iya tapi kill -9 proses mati nya enggak bagus
- [00:08:14] <omi> salam
- [00:08:16] <AralMelintang> killall bisa bunuh banyak proses, tapi menggunakan nama dari aplikasi. kill menggunakan nomor pid
- [00:08:28] <Malsasa> omi: wiiih
- [00:08:29] <engkur> enggak ngeclose dengan baik file file yang terbuka
- [00:08:36] <AralMelintang> kill untuk mematikan banyak proses musti di jejerin nomor pid nya
- [00:08:49] <Malsasa> pakai htop enak banget
- [00:08:52] <Malsasa> F9
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- [00:09:54] <omi> bahas apaan ini? "telat gabung
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- [00:10:33] <Malsasa> omi: sekarang bahas Linux secara umum, Kang
- [00:10:46] <Malsasa> engkur: kang, apakah kuliah sudah ditutup?
- [00:10:58] <engkur> iya udahan...
- [00:11:07] <Malsasa> engkur: alhamdulillah, terima kasih, Kang
- [00:11:12] <Malsasa> engkur: malam yang luar biasa
- [00:11:16] <Malsasa> engkur: saya log
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