Domestic faction as an enemy of the state

The GOP is an enemy of the United States.
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As has been noted in the sentiment 'The Constitution is not a suicide pact', if you want to avoid using violence as a method of solving problems in civilization, then you need to robustly use non-violence.
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So, the GOP is an enemy of the US much more serious than Russia or ISIS or China.
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It should be responded to with all tools of the state.
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The first tool to be used is the DOJ conducting federal investigations into the top members of the GOP, such as McConnell, Graham and others like Jordan and Nunes.
typhon
lol get a load of this paradiso guy.
21:42 paradiso
The DOJ, unfortunately has already been lost to an important extent in this war.
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The next primary mechanism of the state that should be used, with the goal of avoiding authorizing violence against the GOP, would be the Intelligence Community.
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So, I call on all Intelligence Communities to work within the law when able, and to circumvent the law when necessary, to attack the top members of the GOP, for which evidence can found of their treason, with all tools they have available.
typhon
You know Jayson, I used to think you'd keep honing your mind and end up at least chatting in an interesting way but nope, it's just one histrionic obsession after the other, buffered by wiki regurgitation.
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There would be an escalation chain in this process, too.
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First, the IC should identify which federal prosecutors are available that are not corrupt. The IC should funnel all information possible to these prosecutors.
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Whether this is legal is not relevant.
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Next, the IC should use the media as robustly as possible by leaking acquired information to various outlets.
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The final non-violent method the IC should use, if the other two methods don't work -- and any others that can be articulated in this space -- is the fabrication of evidence against these targets.
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This is clearly illegal and can be understood as a type of violence, arguably.
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For example, they can upload child pornography onto the laptop of Devin Nunes.
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This violates profound norms of the American system, but we are in a war with the GOP and we have to fight it as such.
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Uploading child pornography is one mechanism used, by Russian for example, in their warfare with key opponents of their system.
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After the child pornography is uploaded, they should participate in an operation to make that information public through black propaganda channels.
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For example, provide a tip to a hacking organization, or enlist members of Five Eyes to hack the information and then publicize it back into the American media system.
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Failing this, the Intelligence Community should start killing members of the GOP.
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I still see a lot of room to maneuver in the non-violent space, for patriots sufficiently motivated to go beyond the limitations of the law in this war.
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For those worried about this behavior explicitly violating American law, there's a lot of reasons to not worry too much about that.
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For example, there's probably some theory that no self-regulatory codex sufficiently complex to generate rights-based constructs can ever write down all of its own rules in all circumstances.
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That is, the law can never provide for all circumstances, and you clearly want to default to the illegality of sub-organizations using lethal force on members of the elected government, for example.
turdwick
people on facebook shouldnt have any rights
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Still, we can be quite sure from examples in history that such lethal violence is justified in some contexts, independent of the law.
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For example, you could kill any senior member of the Nazi government from 1938-1945.
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milkness
it's straight outa tron
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It surprises me that people think there is a debate as to whether or not Trump should be impeached and removed from office.
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I don't believe I have yet heard a single person argue that should not be the case who wasn't heavily propagandized and simply repeating GOP talking points, which are, of course, treasonous.
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The debate isn't whether or not such behavior is worthy of being removed from office.
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The debate is whether or not our society should execute leaders who behave that way.
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And how much judicial process they should receive beforehand.
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He conspired with a foreign government, Russia, to aid their attacks.
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He is guilty of treason, which carries a federal death penalty standard, as a possibility.
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Notably, many treason cases in the last 30 years did not result in a death penalty conviction.
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Though, in all of those cases, the criminal was not POTUS.
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Second, a federal judge just stopped all federal executions as they're not complying with the law.
turdwick
pleb are you a democrat?
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Though, again, such a concern doesn't weigh heavily here, due to the seriousness of Trump's treason.
21:56 turdwick
no?
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If any aspect of my argumentation above seems hyperbolic to you then we can likely conclude at least one of two things:
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1) You're a thoroughly beaten down American citizen who has accepted much of the illegal and unjust status quo of the ruling elites in the American citizen and can't imagine even applying the law, let alone violence, to leaders who commit treason
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2) You're thoroughly unable to wade through local propaganda on this topic that is designed to muddy the waters so as to prevent a clear understanding of the facts
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As Thomas Jefferson noted, it is good for politicians to fear for their lives, at last from time to time, from the American people
21:58 paradiso
That's the kind of ideology that America was founded on, and it's coursing through this exposition
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This is America.