me being an ass

I'm going to start this off by showing the relevant conversation for context purposes:
[1:04 AM] Remi:
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[1:25 AM] L"when's 21%"V: niice
[1:30 AM] e a s t: counting frames gets you close but unless you know where the extra 1 frame moments are dying cutscene and stuff it is only an approximation
[1:33 AM] whiskers: congrats remi
[1:33 AM] L"when's 21%"V: yeah, with a theoretically perfect recording you could get exact IGT, but things like mismatched framerates, dropped frames, and lag frames can inhibit the ability to accurately measure the ingame time
[1:33 AM] whiskers: go learn workstation
[1:33 AM] Remi: Eeeeh ill think about it
[1:33 AM] whiskers: actually scratch that
[1:33 AM] whiskers: go learn how to ubj
[1:33 AM] whiskers: then learn workstation
[1:33 AM] Remi: I think i wanna not do 21 for a while
[1:34 AM] Remi: Also i have to wait for alien to get out too
[1:34 AM] Remi: Gonna take him a while i think
[1:35 AM] L"when's 21%"V: workstation is the best choice for going to get plasma
[1:35 AM] whiskers: i mean i could see him getting vent shaft literally any attempt now
[1:35 AM] L"when's 21%"V: unless you really fucking like doing floaty, you should def do workstation
[1:35 AM] whiskers: and if he decides to learn ppc prior to getting there like i suggested
[1:36 AM] whiskers: then he shouldnt have too much trouble and i would expect him to fly past it
[1:39 AM] Remi: I learnd it on dolphin
[1:39 AM] Remi: And it still took me like a day
[1:40 AM] L"when's 21%"V: I think it took me about 2 days to get out of PPC
[1:40 AM] L"when's 21%"V: IIRC I got to power bombs on day 1 after about a 6 hour sesh then accomplished nothing on day 2
[1:42 AM] whiskers: lv you have never gotten out of ppc
[1:42 AM] whiskers: you just wallcrawled all of it
[1:44 AM] L"when's 21%"V: I entered PPC on one end and then exited out of PPC on the other, so whether you like it or not I got out of PPC
[1:44 AM] whiskers: thats not what we are talking about though
[1:44 AM] whiskers: so no need to comment how long it took you to get through it oob
[1:45 AM] L"when's 21%"V: what's wrong with talking about better strats
[1:45 AM] whiskers: slower is not better
[1:45 AM] whiskers: like look man idc that you wallcrawled past it. but when we are talking about doing it inbounds and you wanna add in like youve done the trick we are talking about its not okay
[1:47 AM] whiskers: im not trying to be like some elitist or make a club out of inbounds 21% anything
[1:47 AM] whiskers: im just saying
[1:48 AM] whiskers: its not cool to like pretend like you did the same trick you get me
[1:48 AM] whiskers: if you wanna preface that doing that segment oob took you 2 days then cool
[1:48 AM] L"when's 21%"V: I didn't pretend that I did and I wasn't trying to pretend that I did
[1:49 AM] L"when's 21%"V: I said "get out of PPC," if I was trying to pretend that I did I would have lied and said "climbed PPC inbounds"
[1:49 AM] L"when's 21%"V: I was simply just sharing my experience with PPC
[1:50 AM] L"when's 21%"V: unless we're going back to my shit not counting because I wallcrawled too many times
[1:50 AM] L"when's 21%"V: @Skull64 please remove my time from the leaderboard, it doesn't count
[1:51 AM] whiskers: i guess the problem lies in the wording. what the conversation was about was inbounds ppc but it wasnt explicitly stated. allowing you to talk about your experience with oob ppc as if it was the same. i just feel it was obvious that we were talking about inbounds and that you conveniently avoid mentioning that you did it oob simply to act as if thats the same. like doing it one way deserves some medal or makes you part of a club
[1:51 AM] whiskers: pls that is such a dead meme
[1:52 AM] whiskers: justin said it 1 time and you never let it die despite literally everyone saying that no one thinks that way
[1:52 AM] L"when's 21%"V: I'm not meming I don't want my time on the leaderboard anymore
[1:52 AM] whiskers: like i stated earlier im not trying to act like doing a trick one way vs another means youre part of a club
[1:52 AM] L"when's 21%"V: take the time off and also take the blue name
[1:52 AM] Tom Lube????: Yikes
[1:52 AM] Tom Lube????: Panic! At the disco(rd)
[1:53 AM] whiskers: fun fact discord literally means argument
[1:54 AM] whiskers: here is an example of what this is like
[1:54 AM] whiskers: person 1: dude it took me 3 days to get the frigate wallcrawl
[1:54 AM] whiskers: person 2: i escaped frigate my first ever try
[1:55 AM] whiskers: (person 2 doesnt mention they did it inbounds)
[1:55 AM] whiskers: do you see how this isnt cool
[4:18 AM] Skull64: "LV didn't do real 21%" has to be the tiredest meme in existence
[4:18 AM] Skull64: i would love to never be pinged about it again
[4:20 AM] Skull64: and fwiw it looks pretty obvious that they were talking about inbounds ppc so it makes perfect sense to call people out for pretending they did something they didn't do

The rest of this conversation is basically just me being kinda childish and wanting my times taken off skull's leaderboard and then admitting to splicing. If you want to read you can here https://pastebin.com/xccrQgYL but almost none of it is really relevant to the rest of this bullshit.

Now anyone who actually knows how to read English may notice that during the first arc of this conversation, they weren't actually talking about inbounds strictly. The conversation wasn't really "about" any one topic in particular. To summarize:
Remi posts evidence of getting out of PPC
Me and east make comments about IGT approximation (the previous day I made comments not relevant to this discussion about IGT approximation)
whiskers makes comments about workstation and UBJing
Remi makes comments about how he won't do that until Alien gets out of PPC
I reply to whiskers with a comment about workstation and floaty
whiskers makes a comment about how Alien will likely get out of PPC quickly. It is in this comment and only this comment that any reference, implicit or not, is made towards inbounds. whiskers' comment rests on the implicitly statements that Alien is doing inbounds
Remi says it took him a day to get out of PPC
I reference how long I took to get out of PPC
Everyone proceeds to flip the fuck out.
This shouldn't need pointing out, but apparently everybody forgot how to read and so I need to point out that half of this conversation isn't even about PPC, and of the parts that are, only one comment even referenced inbounds implicitly or explicitly. The statement that "it was obvious that we were talking about inbounds" is simply incorrect. Most of it wasn't about PPC at all and the parts that were were about getting out of PPC generally, without any real regard for method. In no way was this a conversation about inbounds PPC strictly, and to state that it was is simply wrong. The only, I repeat, ONLY way that this conversation could be construed as a conversation about PPC inbounds strictly is if you subscribe to the philosophy that secret worlds are cheating and using secret worlds to get out of PPC is illegitimate and does not count. If you hold a world view that treats using Omega Research SW as cheating and illegitimate, then it makes perfect sense that you would assume that any conversation about getting out of PPC necessitates inbounds and it also makes perfect sense to assume that claims of getting out of PPC using Omega Research SW are illegitimate. That is the only way that it could be strictly an inbounds conversation, because the conversation wasn't about PPC and the parts that were were about getting out of PPC generally. Given their allegations, this seems to conclusively prove that both whiskers and skull hold this world view, but they both vehemently deny subscribing to this philosophy, claiming that the assertion that my runs do not count because I did oob PPC is a "dead meme" and that "literally everyone saying that no one thinks that way." whiskers also makes an insulting comparison between my relevant comment about the topic at hand and an obviously out of place comment that was clearly made in poor taste.

Now after reading this conversation, it is abundantly clear that they are lying. Not only are they lying once, but they are lying twice. The first lie has one of two possibilities.
Case 1: They are lying when they claim that this is a conversation about inbounds strictly when it's really not
Case 2: They are lying when they claim that they don't believe that oob PPC does not count when they really do
The second lie is when they claim that I am somehow "pretending I did something I didn't do" and deserve to be "called out."
I didn't do that. I simply did not, and it is insulting to me that anyone would slander me and my character by alleging that I did. Also, it's really ironic that they are bitching about me "pretending I did something I didn't do" when they are quite literally pretending I did something that I did not do.

Now with case 1, it's possible that there is no malicious intent. It might be that they simply didn't actually read the conversation or weren't paying attention, and they incorrectly assumed that the conversation was strictly about inbounds when it really wasn't. I know I sometimes don't fully read shit because sometimes I'm doing something else like playing video games, so it might be that that just happened with the other people. This theory seems plausible to me, but part of the problem with case 1 is that the second lie doesn't logically follow from the first.

This was a conversation about inbounds strictly
∴LV is a liar when he claims to have gotten out of PPC

That just doesn't really make sense. It's *possible*, but also a non-sequitur and it really begs the question of why they are proceeding to vilify me for no real reason. Case 2 is far more logical.

I'm too much of a little bitch to admit it but using secret worlds to get out of PPC doesn't count
∴LV is a liar when he claims to have gotten out of PPC

This argument is internally consistent. And it doesn't necessarily have to be blanket belief that using secret worlds is cheating. It could be that "I'm too much of a little bitch to admit it but using these specific secret worlds is cheating" or "I'm too much of a little bitch to admit it but LV using secret worlds is cheating while R_Web using the exact same secret worlds in the exact same way is a-ok because R_Web is cool and fuck LV" or any other variant of using secret worlds is cheating. All of these world views are consistent with the argument that I am a liar because I claimed to have gotten out of PPC.

Now look, I don't really give a shit if you think I'm a cheater, but I have a huge fucking problem with LYING TO MY FUCKING FACE and telling me that you don't. Like I don't really give a shit if you think anything about me. You can hate me or think I'm a cheater or retarded or annoying or what the fuck ever. I don't give a shit. But be a decent fucking human being and don't pretend that you don't and lie to my fucking face. Don't be like "oh yeah we're fucking cool" or "oh yeah you didn't cheat when you did 21%" while also treating me like we're not fucking cool and like I cheated when I did 21%. I really fucking hate how everyone is like "no we don't actually believe that you doing OR SW is cheating" or "goo goo goo goo, it's just a fucking joke in fucking twitch chat, goo goo goo goo" while acting in a way that is 100% consistent with believing that me doing OR SW is cheating. He's like fucking "youre taking this like "my runs dont count cuz justin said he didnt count them 1 time"," and it's like no, the problem isn't that Justin joked in twitch chat once, the problem is that you are lying to my fucking face claiming that it's just a joke while treating me like it's a genuine belief that you are too much of a little bitch to admit. And I don't give a shit if you genuinely believe that, but it's really fucking insulting to me to hear that bullshit. Like fucking hell dude, either you're a fucking liar who is too much of a little fucking bitch to admit that they think it's cheat or what the fuck is wrong with your fucking reasoning.

Now when I first made the comment "@Skull64 please remove my time from the leaderboard, it doesn't count" at 1:50 AM, it *mostly* a joke made to highlight the absurdity of whiskers' claims. But honestly, if people are going to slander me and completely disregard whether I have or haven't done something, me having my name on the list of people who have done 21% doesn't matter. People are just going to make up bullshit saying I have or haven't done anything, regardless of any evidence to the contrary. And if the owner of the leaderboard especially is going to make up bullshit saying I have or haven't done anything, regardless of any evidence to the contrary, then what's the fucking point of having my time on the leaderboard and I honestly don't want my times on a leaderboard where the mod is going to slander me and disregard everything that I have done.

Now for some counter arguments.

whiskers and MemoryTAS are like fucking "goo goo goo goo, muh history, goo goo goo goo, permanently etched, blah blah blah" and it's like no. First off, that rule wasn't there when I submitted the run and it wasn't there when I asked for it taken off, and so you can't hold me to that rule. Second, no one actually gives a shit about my shitty ass times or anything that I've done. I and all of my "contributions to the community" could disappear into the void like they never happened and absolutely nobody would ever know the difference. I'm just a really fucking autistic kid who fucking felt like playing 21% because I don't have anything better to do with my life. The only impact I've had in this community is purely negative
A: I'm retarded as shit and piss everyone off
B: I stole SS9 from skull and stole Segmented19 from Pitzke (by extension stealing SS20 from Bash).
That's it, and honestly they fucking deserve more than I do because they've been playing longer and worked more for it, and also their runs aren't spliced. The only reason ANYBODY wants my times on his leaderboard is because they hate me and they know that I want them off. If someone they didn't hate wanted their times off his leaderboard, like Justin or DCR or M177 or really anybody that isn't me or jack, then the times would come off with no questions asked, regardless of any legitimate reason or lack thereof. Second, if you care so much about the fucking "history," why are you rewriting it to say that the conversation was strictly about inbounds PPC and rewriting it to say that I am a liar? Same with like fucking like "i dont think anyone wants to just believe you spliced." It's like no. No one gives a shit whether they are spliced or not because no one cares about my fucking times because they are all fucking trash. I have like a fucking 2:21 in hundo and like a fucking 4:39 in 21%. If it knew what video games were, you could probably train a gorilla to get a 21% time like that, and you could probably train a dog or maybe even a fish to get a hundo time significantly better than 2:21. I have contributed absolutely nothing to this fucking game and not a single person on the planet gives a shit if I did or didn't do anything, as evidenced by everyone making up bullshit about what I have or haven't done. Also, if you don't want to believe that I cheated, why are you treating me like I cheated and like I never got out of PPC? Splicing is absolutely no different from what they have already alleged that I have done (splicing ≡ pretending I did something that I didn't). I haven't admitted to anything that they haven't already alleged and I have absolutely no idea how much doublethink they must be shooting up their arm in order to simultaneously believe that I'm pretending to have done something that I didn't actually do, while also finding it impossible to believe that I spliced which is exactly the same as pretending to have done something that I didn't actually do. Can we at least keep our logic internally consistent? Is that too much to fucking ask? Or are you just going to fucking pull reasons out of your ass to keep my times on his leaderboard other than "I hate LV" regardless of if they conflict with what you said earlier? Like I don't give a shit if you hate me but don't fucking lie and pull reasons out of your ass so that you can pretend that you don't. That's not fucking cool.

Now Justin and Zyphyx are like" It's not coming off without a legitimate reason" and like no that's not how it fucking works. One doesn't need a legitimate reason to take one's own times off the list. You might need a legitimate reason to take *someone else's* times off the list, but you can take your own times off for whatever reason, regardless of if it's a legitimate one or not. You don't even have a legitimate reason to keep my times on the list anyway since I've admitted to splicing already and the "muh history" argument is bullshit. As for legitimate reasons to take it off, it doesn't have a video. The rules state that "All runs require a video" and my run does not have one. Perfectly legitimate reason to take it off. Also T3's 21% and some any% and hundo runs don't have videos despite the requirement, but I'm pretty sure that those were all grandfathered in before the requirement so that is a legitimate reason to keep them on. My run was submitted after the video requirement and does not have a video, and therefore needs to be removed.

With all of that said, I don't want my fucking times on a leaderboard where the mod is going to slander me and disregard whether I have or haven't done anything. It's abundantly clear that the only person who actually really cares about whether I have or haven't done anything is me and me only, and the only ones who are going to acknowledge whether I have or haven't done anything is me and maybe some of the other cool people who aren't vilifying me like Bash, Link, Pwoot, Cody, Tom, Zlow, and a few others. If I'm really the only one who cares, then I don't want my times on the fucking list. Like if the mod is going to fucking make up bullshit about what I have or haven't done, then give me a fucking 49 in any% already or take my times off the fucking leaderboard. Like fucking hell. If you're going to fucking treat me like a fucking cheater then fucking remove my fucking cheated times. Fucking hell dude.


    Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjULyoRKNS0