For-profit healthcare is a crime against humanity

doil
studies show the usa for profit healthcare system is what caused so many covid deaths in the usa
doil
sad but true
08:01 doil
quite the opposite of helping
doil
detrimental
doil
but hey, icu stays are good money
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Claude
Yes, capitalism is to blame for the massive amounts of deaths in the United States from COVID-19.
Claude
Among most other problems in the USA.
Claude
Since capitalism is the direct cause of most of our problems.
08:08 Claude
Capitalism is a death cult that is stark opposition to the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Claude
Which may be why so many American Christians love capitalism.
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tomatobodhi
Sara_Ks: I wouldn't know what is appropriate. I'm not a doctor... but I got the feeling neither was my PCP. lol
Claude
Martin Luther King, Jr., an actual Christian, recognized correctly that for-profit healthcare was a crime against humanity.
tomatobodhi
totally agree
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tomatobodhi
the most ardent capitalist should be able to see that healthcare is PART of the principle of "minimum wage:" the minimum inputs necessary to keep workers willing AND ABLE to keep working
tomatobodhi
Sara_Ks: Do physicians have to keep a clear scope of practice on file with their state medical boards like we do?
tomatobodhi
Sara_Ks: Like, I'm qualified to work with pervasive developmental disorders, but I specifically state in my scope of practice that I don't do so if that is the primary presentation.
tomatobodhi
How many PCPs are diagnosing mental health disorders and prescribing psychopharmaceuticals instead of referring to a psychiatrist? It is because the risk of modern psychopharm is so much lower than it used to be and psychiatrists are so few and difficult to get in to see in most places.
tomatobodhi
another symptom of the messed up US healthcare system... lots of "quick fixes" instead of universal access
tomatobodhi
Sara_Ks: Yeah, on paper. Lots of things get crowbarred into the broken system.
tomatobodhi
There is a diff between a doctor supervising and a doctor charting that he/she supervised.
tomatobodhi
;)
tomatobodhi
we know this
tomatobodhi
and it is as much a consideration for doctors what their liability and coverage is for some procedures as what they are "allowed" to do... just because they can doesn't mean they will or that they're covered to do it
tomatobodhi
insurance is a disaster
tomatobodhi
My old PCP's wife was an OB/GYN and she closed her practice to be a stay-at-home mother because the overhead was so high that it wasn't worth it to her.
tomatobodhi
highest malpractice insurance premiums in medicine
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tomatobodhi
a ton of it funneled into congress
tomatobodhi
insurance and pharmaceutical lobbies are HUGE
tomatobodhi
I can't remember whether they are #1 in lobby spending or #2 after oil.
tomatobodhi
I haven't looked at those numbers in years.
tomatobodhi
all part of the USA medical problem
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tomatobodhi
most expensive healthcare in the world... FIVE TIMES the cost of the distant second, France.
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tomatobodhi
Needs to be burned to the ground and rebuilt from the ground up.
tomatobodhi
We could start by sending all the C-suite of hospital chains and insurance companies to Madame Guillotine.
tomatobodhi
Harsh, I know, but... at least as justified today as the nobles in France during the Revolution.
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tomatobodhi
Mme. Guillotine
tomatobodhi
I think anybody who legitimately thinks that they EARN their millions per year salary should be imprisoned.
tomatobodhi
Someone who makes a million a year basically believes that their labor is WORTH $480/hr.
08:31 tomatobodhi
What kind of hubris does that require?
Claude
tomatobodhi: Killing executives of 'insurance' companies is directly defensible under a basic application of the self-defense principle.
tomatobodhi
So they think they contribute SIXTY TIMES the value of one of their techs.
Claude
The current for-profit healthcare scheme in the United States is killing ~60,000 people per year by preventing them from access to healthcare services.
tomatobodhi
Claude: Good point.
tomatobodhi
We have DEATH PANELS, but they are for-profit.
Claude
It would only become a moral dilemma once you start to kill ~60,000 executives per year.
Claude
We can't even throw a single one in jail, though.
Claude
Because the republic has entirely collapsed and there's no functioning government outside the corporate oligarchy.
tomatobodhi
My wife has seen insurance dither and draw out the process long enough to kill 45-year-old patients to keep them from getting a heart transplant, because the company doesn't want to be on the hook for so long.
tomatobodhi
But they'll quickly approve an 80-year old getting an organ transplant.
tomatobodhi
Because they know they're not on the hook for so long.
tomatobodhi
For-profit death panels.
tomatobodhi
Claude: Agreed.
Claude
"I'm a capitalist in my bones." - Elizabeth Warren, commonly described as 'on the left' by corporate media
tomatobodhi
class warfare
tomatobodhi
In the USA, medical care is the tool to keep an indentured workforce.
tomatobodhi
Think of how many people you know who would retire on what they have invested and saved, but wouldn't be able to afford their health insurance, so they have to keep working for the benefits, not the pay.
Claude
One of the first things companies due when workers strike is remove their access to healthcare 'insurance'.
Claude
That's just a crime against humanity.
Claude
Corporate media will deliver news of that, if at all, with the same monotone tone when describing next Thursday's predicted weather.
tomatobodhi
Sara_Ks: Yeah, but when payments are usually 80/20, that means that without any insurance at all, Americans could use their out-of-pocket expenses to cover 100% of the second most expensive healthcare system in the world: France.
Claude
It's wild there are people who are willing to throw themselves against the rocks of defending American capitalism or American healthcare.
tomatobodhi
We could literally live anywhere else on the planet and our USA copays alone would cover 100% of our health expenses. Kinda shows where the problem is.
Claude
"There's just nothing these companies could do that would cause you to fundamentally abolish them, huh."
tomatobodhi
not to mention premiums would be money in our pockets
tomatobodhi
premiums + copays are STILL less than any other nation's TOTAL healthcare costs
tomatobodhi
sorry, MORE
tomatobodhi
Like I said, it will take the complete destruction of the current system to effect real change.
tomatobodhi
The insurance companies own the government and the general citizenry have no say in any of it.
tomatobodhi
US government is already bought and paid for.
tomatobodhi
Voting is a sham and a waste of time.
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tomatobodhi
I'm praying that South Korea will invade us. LOL
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tomatobodhi
Donco: Yeah, which corporate shill would you like?
tomatobodhi
Donco: An illusion of democracy.
tomatobodhi
Donco: False.
tomatobodhi
Where I live, we couldn't even vote down our blue laws without a huge infusion of Walmart cash. Fortunately, the corporate elite wanted the blue laws struck down, or it would have never happened.
tomatobodhi
My family has an 80/20 plan AND MY WIFE WORKS FOR A HOSPITAL.
tomatobodhi
lol
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08:45 Claude
Voting is not useful in the United States.
Claude
Electoralism is how the capitalist ruling class creates a sense of legitimacy, which forestalls more serious methods of resisting their power.
Claude
Like general strikes and violent resistance.