[10:59 PM]TylerDurden:hes used to it, his child bride does
[12:56 AM]Blain20ShadesOfDox:I'm having so much trouble keeping silent in the ICU.
[5:31 AM]Blain20ShadesOfDox:My eyes still hurt
[4:29 PM]rekietalaw:Anyone @here?
[4:29 PM]Anthony:yup
[4:29 PM]honkban:no I am over there
[4:29 PM]Anthony:whats up
[4:29 PM]Doxfamous:Yep
[4:29 PM]rekietalaw:I need some sage counsel from my directors
[4:29 PM]snoj:what's shaking?
[4:29 PM]honkban:@rekietalaw it's only gay if the balls touch
[4:30 PM]rekietalaw:How pissed off would everyone be if Vic dismissed his case with the intent to refile in September....but for a really good reason?
[4:30 PM]honkban:not gonna lie I lost interest in the weeb wars like a month ago
[4:30 PM]snoj:hmmm
[4:30 PM]honkban:but now I'm curious as to the reason
[4:30 PM]rekietalaw:this isn't about personal interest, this is about managing the PR aspect of it
[4:30 PM]Doxfamous:I wouldn’t be pissed.  It’s what we call in RTS and warfare as a Tactical Retreat.
[4:30 PM]snoj:if there's more laughs and he won't hurt himself I'm all for it
[4:31 PM]honkban:I think a lot of the wider pro vic public would be unhappy with it if they didn't understand why it was a good idea
[4:31 PM]honkban:I think a lot of the anti vic people would interpret it as a loss
[4:31 PM]rekietalaw:Basically, texas just passed sweeping reforms to anti-SLAPP
[4:31 PM]honkban:which might make it even funnier later
[4:31 PM]rekietalaw:it's on the governor's desk rfn
[4:31 PM]honkban:but in the mean time might reinforce that he has no real case / is actually guilty
[4:32 PM]Anthony:hmm it sounds like it would be an interesting move, why post pone it.  Plus I have a feeling that there will be backlash from some and there is going to be a huge wave of the other side saying that "he doesnt have anything see he is just a coward yada yada yada"
[4:32 PM]snoj:does that help though?
[4:32 PM]honkban:I actually legit don't even care if he's innocent or not I just want to see the bluehair dipshits lose so if this makes them lose harder/funnier then do it
[4:32 PM]Doxfamous:I’d honestly though want to keep the aspect of tortious interference against Ron since that is pretty much cemented with enough proof.
[4:32 PM]snoj:I mean, his case is suppose to be pretty air  tight right?
[4:32 PM]honkban:I do wonder about the optics of
[4:32 PM]honkban:"hey everyone give me $150k to support this lawsuit that lol we aren't even doing"
[4:32 PM]honkban:I mean I trust you but the internet is fickle
[4:33 PM]abeltbuckle:GFM would die off and i dont expect that to pick back up again, granted, it may be pretty stagnant now as it is
[4:33 PM]abeltbuckle:i think thats the largest implication
[4:33 PM]snoj:snoban has a point there about the gfm
[4:33 PM]honkban:I would think you've already raised allt he money you're going to
[4:33 PM]rekietalaw:it basically defeats the anti-slapp motion
[4:33 PM]honkban:so I wouldn't worry about donations drying up
[4:33 PM]honkban:but people would be mad
[4:33 PM]rekietalaw:through legislation
[4:33 PM]honkban:and/or it would give the other side a wedge to rile people up with
[4:34 PM]Anthony:^^
[4:34 PM]Anthony:the other side will go nuts
[4:34 PM]Doxfamous:I hate saying it too, but this would energize the other side enough that more VAs would basically be thrown under the bus the same way as Vic.
[4:35 PM]rekietalaw:this doesn't leave this chat for now, please
[4:35 PM]Anthony:rodger that
[4:35 PM]Doxfamous:I’d at least recommend the tortious interference to keep going at a minimum.
[4:35 PM]rekietalaw:TI is subject to anti-slapp as well
[4:35 PM]honkban:I 100% defer the legal strategy to lawyermans
[4:35 PM]Doxfamous:What the fuck...
[4:36 PM]rekietalaw:TI is still words
[4:36 PM]honkban:but I think that, unless you could basically just come out and tell everyone that this is why you're doing it, epople would balk
[4:36 PM]rekietalaw:it's weaker on TI
[4:36 PM]snoj:If he did, I think he/you'd have to make that case to wait until September
[4:36 PM]snoj:Publicly
[4:36 PM]rekietalaw:but if you defeat the possibility of filing the motion, then you defeat the BS
[4:37 PM]rekietalaw:I agree, it'd have to be public, Ty would need to make a statement
[4:37 PM]honkban:if you were public about it I think that would dampen a lot of the backlash
[4:37 PM]rekietalaw:I'm not 100% sure on the legal strategy, I'm still reviewing the bill
[4:37 PM]honkban:because his supporters, at least the one swho trust you, would be satisfied
[4:37 PM]Doxfamous:I’d also recommend possibly having updates along the way monthly.  That way people still see stuff being done.
[4:37 PM]honkban:and his detractors would crow about it but they will anyway and this way his supporters can say "ahaha you guys are idiots, you'll get yours in september"
[4:38 PM]honkban:which makes it even funnier actually
[4:38 PM]rekietalaw:this was dropped on me this morning as a possibility, so I'm trying to figure out
[4:38 PM]honkban:because if you are sitting there saying in June "we are withdrawing so that four months later we can refile"
and then all his detractors are like "BAWK BAWK CHICKEN"
and then in september their anti-SLAPPgets slappped
[4:38 PM]honkban:funnier than if it's as urprise
[4:40 PM]rekietalaw:The optics I worry about: conventions
[4:40 PM]rekietalaw:PULL and detractors don't even know what's happening
[4:40 PM]Doxfamous:While I understand some laws, partially, I’m going to stick by what the legal counsel knows.  You all know more than I when it comes to legal stuff.  But flat out this could hurt Vic going to more cons.
[4:40 PM]rekietalaw:conventions going "oh wait, he dimisses" might make it harder to get him back
[4:40 PM]honkban:I assume that any conventions that have turned on him will remain turned on him until either you legal threaten them like you presumably did with kamehacon or he wins
[4:40 PM]rekietalaw:exactly
[4:41 PM]rekietalaw:kamehacon wasn't threatened
[4:41 PM]honkban:oh huh
[4:41 PM]Doxfamous:I’m going to say it that this will make cons nervous to pull him in if he retracts.
[4:41 PM]rekietalaw:I wanted to threaten the living fuck out of them
[4:41 PM]abeltbuckle:if Vic couldn't have made this lawsuit happen without his GFM, he prolly owes it to them some transparency about his legal strategy.  I understand most of them donated so he could pursue his best interest and not just produce legal theater, but leaving some of his backers feeling betrayed for 6th months is a big deal
[4:41 PM]rekietalaw:I flat out suggested they sue for anticipatory breach
[4:41 PM]honkban:I mean I'm assuming the cons are nervous about taking him back eithe rway
[4:41 PM]honkban:so it probably doesn't make this any different
[4:41 PM]rekietalaw:but eventually decided to be nice
[4:42 PM]rekietalaw:@abeltbuckle this would be 100% transparent
[4:42 PM]rekietalaw:either way, it would be transparent
[4:42 PM]honkban:if I have any clout, I'm in the top 30 of highest donations and I say do whatever makes the other side lose the hardest
[4:43 PM]Doxfamous:I’ll say though Nick.  I’d at least say if any conventions hear of VAs pulling out make it widely known that cons should sue for breach to set a precedent since their pulling out hurts the fans.
[4:43 PM]honkban:I think that if it is transparent, a lot of the negative fallout is mitigated
[4:43 PM]Doxfamous:I’d donate more if I wasn’t going to Tokyo for a month.
[4:43 PM]Anthony:I agree with snoban
[4:44 PM]Doxfamous:@honkban is on the money
[4:44 PM]honkban:@Doxfamous I would have donated more if I had known that I wouldn't have been at the top of the leaderboards for long
[4:44 PM]Doxfamous:lol
[4:45 PM]Doxfamous:This study trip is going to bleed me dry.
[4:45 PM]rekietalaw:Yeah, I'd have Ty on the show and we'd explain exactly what was happening
[4:46 PM]rekietalaw:But I've still gotta check and see if it's the right move
[4:46 PM]Anthony:If it helps you have a good way to deliver difficult news and so does ty.  I think if you both do a statement or discuss what ever can be discussed that would help a lot
[4:46 PM]Doxfamous:I’m fine personally since I understand legal strategy, it’s those who don’t know the aspects of legal strategy that will be very vocal.
[4:47 PM]Doxfamous:@rekietalaw Actually could do a show talking about different aspects of legal strategy any why some routes are taken.  Also would be a very educational vid.
[4:48 PM]honkban:Like in summary, If you do this:

* #KickVic VAs and allies will be invigourated
* ( It's not clear to me that they can do much more than they already have, so this might not matter?)

* Anti-vic fans who bother to pay attention to this will be more convinced of his guilt
* ( i think that most anime people aren't paying too much attention tot his, and have already written him off as another white male rapist, so this might not matter. And like you say, most fans aren't paying attention to this and don't give a shit)

* Pro-vic fans will definitely be upset and feel ripped off
* This will lose him support at the margins
* An extremely transparent explanation of why this is happenign will mitigate a lot of this
* I think you've probably gotten all of the money you're going to, so if they bail now, well, you already have the money

* Cons will take it as a negative sign
* I think all of the cons that were going to react to this already have. I think that Vic's position is "try to get invited back", not "avoid getting kicked", and while this would make it marginally harder to get invited back, I think his prospects for that were low as it was
[4:49 PM]honkban:also as an aside

@rekietalaw we have an #anime channel at work and it's very highly trafficked. To gauge the crowd I let it drop that I'm "going to some con in houston to visit a friend" just to see what they would say.

A handful of people said "oh they're hosting that predator". But most of the people didn't give a shit

A Lot of people said "oh deneice is a piece of shit, don't go there"

The average opinion of the anime channel was more negative about matsuri than it was about vic
[4:49 PM]honkban:I think this is probably representative of anime people
[4:50 PM]rekietalaw:maybe
[4:50 PM]Doxfamous:Matsuri is known in Houston though for having a poorly run convention with several cancelled panels w/o communication they’re cancelled.
[4:50 PM]rekietalaw:It's also massive and the city loves it
[4:50 PM]Doxfamous:Locally that’s what they’re known for
[4:51 PM]Doxfamous:And I agree.  Matsuri is one of the largest money makers for the city.
[4:51 PM]Doxfamous:Especially since both hotels connected to the GRB sold out if I remember right,
[4:51 PM]honkban:basically my point is
[4:51 PM]honkban:this vic drama has really not penetrated into the mainstream consciousness
[4:51 PM]honkban:so the impact in the hearts and minds of fans will be lowish
[5:09 PM]rekietalaw:Thanks for the wisdom, gents
[5:09 PM]rekietalaw:I'll let you know what's up
[5:10 PM]snoj::nickthumbsup:
[5:19 PM]Anthony:Yup
[5:40 PM]honkban:do you see this shit
[5:40 PM]honkban:he just assumed our gender
[6:30 PM]No.1 Doxer Jessica::peepoPeek:
[6:37 PM]No.1 Doxer Jessica:all this time Jamie Marchi dodging Service now this? she will Buy a bunker in the Wilderness by September
[6:47 PM]No.1 Doxer Jessica:i'm sure this will have a negative impact on the GFM? @rekietalaw
[9:27 PM]rekietalaw:don't know.  Not even sure the legislation is that impactful
[9:52 PM]Baal of bAbYlOn:@rekietalaw It think most people that are on the spergy side of the standwithvic will be silly about it.  The smaller, more reasonable members of the movement would understand.  I don't know enough about this situation to know how that affects Vic's prospects for jobs/cons in the future.  I would look at it as....Short term loss for long term gain.  People will only be upset until it gets refiled, then people will forget about being mad it was dropped.  Those people are just attracted to the drama anyways.
[9:52 PM]Baal of bAbYlOn:That's my two cents, for what it's worth.  No clue what the right move would be from a legal standpoint.  From a PR perspective, I don't think it will have a lasting effect after it's refiled anyways.
[10:24 PM]No.1 Doxer Jessica:I DIDN'T EVEN DO ANYTHING! :peepoHide: