Eng Gosnell: The Trial of America's Biggest Serial Killer (2

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Subtitles by explosiveskull

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Come on!

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Idiots.

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And step all through.

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There you go.

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Good catch.

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Did you get it?

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Yeah.

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Woody, that's
not the right one!

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Oh, did you mean this one?

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This one?

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Not funny.

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Go put this on, go.

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Stop peeking, Woody!

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Any last piece of advice, Dad?

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The way I see it, you
got a couple choices here.

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Who gives this woman to
be joined in holy matrimony?

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Her mother and I.

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You can be seated.

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No, no, I'm good, baby.

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No, it's on, yeah.

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Congratulations, Woody.

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Old boy's supposed to pay
me Friday but he jagged me.

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I got the Benjis
now, so it's on.

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Hey.

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Good luck, man.

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I get paid, I buy from
you, know what I'm saying?

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Right?

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Are we good?

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Yeah.

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Tonight?

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The Thrifty, 27th and 2nd.

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I'll be there, baby.

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Case 714, December
13th, 6:37 p.m.

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Detective Woods in combo
with suspect Cindy Jones,

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arranging buy meeting.

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Here's Cindy.

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Pretty nice ride
for a girl from the hood.

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Man, I can't believe she fell
for your Jello pudding jive.

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I learned
it all from you.

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That's what I do.

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I do it all day.

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All right, man, you ready?

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Yeah.

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Testing, testing.

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It's good.

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So remember, you're
gonna keep her in view

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the whole time,
make sure you stay...

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Hey, it's not my
first rodeo, Sherlock.

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Check you out, mixed metaphor.

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- Here we go.
- Go.

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All right, man, there's Cindy.

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Got her.

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Looks like she can
stick that whole pharmacy

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in that big old coat.

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It looks like she's
packing up, buddy.

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All right, man, here
we go, here we go.

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Cindy Jones, Philadelphia PD.

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Oh shit, you
gotta be kidding me!

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Now, now, kitty, be nice.

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How you doing, Cindy?

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Baby?

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It's nice to finally
meet you face to face.

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That was you?

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Yeah.

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Okay, so the way I see it,
you got a couple choices here.

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All right, you can give
us the name of the doctor

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who wrote the scripts

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or we can ruin your night.

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Hey!

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FBI!

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DEA.

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Philadelphia PD.

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This is a local bust.

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Don't worry your pretty
little head about it.

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No, no, no, no.

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We built this collar.

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Ooh, looks like a
formal investigation.

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You going to the prom?

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This is an interstate
drug situation, my friend.

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You are in second place.

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No, no, if she
doesn't give us what we need,

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she's going to city jail.

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She's a federal suspect!

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Dr. Gosnell!

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The woman I get the scripts
from works for Dr. Gosnell.

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I promise I'm only doing
drugs a few more months.

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Oh, I've heard that before.

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You'll start with the drugs

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and then you'll
go back to murder.

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I'm sick of looking at
autopsies and murder weapons.

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I just want a normal life.

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Take the job at the
governor's office.

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We'll move to Harrisburg.

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If we move, can we get a dog?

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If we have a bigger yard

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and someone does the
dishes, we might.

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It's not my turn, it's his.

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And a hot tub.

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Mmm.

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- Ew!
- Mom!

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Oh, I gotta take this.

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I gotta go.

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Just take him for one second.

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You're not done yet.

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Woody, I'm not
back 'til tomorrow.

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There's that
voice I long to hear!

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Thought you were back today.

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I'll call Dan.

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Well, now I'm
curious, what's up?

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Well, we found our Oxy source.

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It's a Dr. Kermit Gosnell.

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He runs a clinic at
3801 Lancaster Avenue.

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Wanted to get a
warrant so we can take

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a hidden camera in there.

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I'll follow up
with Dan tomorrow.

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I'm always happy to help you
with these drug cases, Woody.

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Bye, kids!

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- Bye, Daddy.
- Bye.

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Okay, go
get your backpack.

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Is Mom the police?

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No, Mom's the
boss of the police.

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And don't you forget it.

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Now, don't
you speak all that

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in one place either.

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What have we got?

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We have surveillance
footage from Gosnell's clinic.

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All in one place, do you?

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This
ain't my rookie season, okay?

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I hear ya.

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Money changing hands.

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You got jokes.

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I'll try to make...

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Okay, let's pick her up.

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That never
went so fast in my life.

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I got there at quarter to,
that's before my.

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Hey, hey, beautiful.

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You going for a ride today.

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Hold up!

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You a cop?

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Yes, ma'am, I am
a police officer.

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Man, this is
some entrapment bullshit.

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You poor thing, I
feel so sorry for you.

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Please watch your head.

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Keshawna, the way I see it,
you got a couple choices here.

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Look, most of the pharmacists,
you know, they legit.

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You can't be going in
with the same names

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on the script all the time.

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So, Doc Gosnell, he
has us pay junkies

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50 bucks for their IDs and
writes the scripts for 'em.

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Is he the only
one writing scripts?

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He the
only doctor there.

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They got girls that
been to high school

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doing the procedures.

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Procedures?

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Yeah, the abortions.

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So you
send in the Smurfs.

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That's right.

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Seekers pay 84 and 80.

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That mean $3200 for a script.

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Seekers?

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Yeah, see, we got three...

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He got three kind of
customers at the clinic.

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The seekers, they the ones
come in for the drugs.

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Oxy, sometimes Xanax, Percocet.

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And you got the procedures,

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and they gotta
get they pain meds

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to get ready for the abortions
when the doctor comes in.

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'Cause see, he don't
even get there most days

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'til like 7:00 at night or so.

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So you use the
Smurfs to get the IDs

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for the scripts, right?

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And then the seekers...

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Wait, who's giving the
abortion patients their meds?

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What's that got
to do with anything?

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Well, if there's
no doctor there,

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who's doling out the pain meds?

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Any of us.

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Alison, Lydia, Betty, sometimes.

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Excuse me.

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Can we finish the conversation

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about the narcotics operation?

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And Lydia was there
when that one woman died.

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Wait, a woman died?

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This doesn't make
sense to me here.

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Healthy woman goes
into a clinic,

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comes out dead and
there's no police report?

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How does that that happen?

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I thought you were
working narcotics.

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Woody, you back at homicide?

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Can't a
guy have hobbies.

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The death certificate
said accidental death.

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Fentanyl and
Demerol don't sound

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like accidental drugs to me.

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They sound like doctor drugs.

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Yeah, fine, but if a
doctor administered 'em,

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it's not a crime,
it's an accident.

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Malpractice, maybe.

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What if the doctor
didn't administer those?

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What do the Feds say?

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They're saying
it's a drug case.

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It is a drug case.

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Woman goes into a clinic,
gets drugged to death

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by some untrained teen and
that's just a drug case?

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That's a lot of
assumptions, Woody.

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We don't know that
any of that's true.

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Karnamaya Mongar, okay.

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41 years old.

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Her husband and her and her
kid get chased out of Bhutan

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for some ethnic cleansing
bullshit, I don't know what it is.

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They spend 20 years in a
straw hut in a refugee camp

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in Nepal, only to
finally, finally make it

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to the good ol' USA.

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Four months later, she goes in
for a procedure with Dr. Oxy.

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Now she's dead and no
one seems to give a damn?

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You seem to give a damn.

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I do.

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Okay, all right, what
kind of procedure was it?

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Abortion.

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What?

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I thought you were pro-choice.

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What does that have
to do with anything?

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I don't know, what
does that have to do

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with anything, Dan?

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It complicates things.

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Am I in the right place here?

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This is homicide, right?

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Homicide?

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Because this is homicide, Dan.

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It's homicide.

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Is she your girlfriend?

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- Exactly.
- Thank you, Dad.

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Thank, Buddy, thank
you for being an adult.

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Cannot deny.

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Is that the police?

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I'll just be a minute.

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They're
coming to get you.

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Let's hope so.

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Woody, it's dinner time.

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Why didn't
you back me up in there?

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Woody.

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That poor woman lost her
life because some moron

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pumped her full of drugs and
you're just gonna ignore it?

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Woody, you
got your warrant.

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What?

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You got your warrant.

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You're going with the FBI, stay
out of their way, all right?

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Okay, yeah.

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Now, is there anything
else you'd like to say to me?

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You like the Eagles or
the Giants with spread?

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Okay, guys, we're set.

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Yo, who's Nurse
Ratchet over there?

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Mmm, Department of Health.

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She's gotta be there
because the clinic's

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gonna be open when we go in.

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Mmm hmm.

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Good slice?

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No?

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You know you guys got this
warrant in the Mongar case.

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Look for what you need, don't
screw up our evidence, got it?

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Got it.

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All right, listen up.

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We move through the
clinic fast, get everyone

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00:13:17,536 --> 00:13:19,604
in separate rooms so
they can't compare notes.

265
00:13:19,606 --> 00:13:21,806
We're not expecting any
weapons, but you never know,

266
00:13:21,808 --> 00:13:23,508
so be prepared.

267
00:13:23,510 --> 00:13:26,244
This is Nurse Sandra Rose,
Department of Health.

268
00:13:26,246 --> 00:13:28,145
She's coming along to
ensure the well-being

269
00:13:28,147 --> 00:13:30,216
of any patients we
might encounter.

270
00:13:31,484 --> 00:13:34,418
We are looking for
scripts, pills,

271
00:13:34,420 --> 00:13:37,422
anything that looks like
drugs or paraphernalia.

272
00:13:37,424 --> 00:13:39,756
Don't touch anything else.

273
00:13:39,758 --> 00:13:43,062
They'll have copies of the
warrant, know why we're here.

274
00:13:43,729 --> 00:13:44,598
Let's move.

275
00:13:53,506 --> 00:13:56,642
Officer,
what's going on?

276
00:14:02,649 --> 00:14:03,780
Good evening.

277
00:14:03,782 --> 00:14:06,486
We have a warrant to
search the premises.

278
00:14:09,122 --> 00:14:10,721
Hey, hey, hey, hey!

279
00:14:10,723 --> 00:14:12,155
- We need to talk to you!
- Lets spread out.

280
00:14:12,157 --> 00:14:13,924
- Stop, stop!
- Got your instructions.

281
00:14:14,928 --> 00:14:16,360
Roger that.

282
00:14:16,362 --> 00:14:17,394
Gentlemen, do not
disturb the patients.

283
00:14:17,396 --> 00:14:18,763
You take the upstairs.

284
00:14:18,765 --> 00:14:19,630
Yes sir.

285
00:14:19,632 --> 00:14:20,565
All right, come on.

286
00:14:41,087 --> 00:14:43,020
Hey, let's get
that nurse in here!

287
00:14:50,463 --> 00:14:51,863
Who's out there?

288
00:14:51,865 --> 00:14:53,400
No, no.

289
00:14:56,136 --> 00:14:57,804
What is that smell?

290
00:15:00,973 --> 00:15:03,809
Yeah, we're gonna
need more guys up here.

291
00:15:04,710 --> 00:15:06,110
Man, it smells like
a dead fish up in here.

292
00:15:06,112 --> 00:15:07,180
Yeah.

293
00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:09,279
You write these down.

294
00:15:12,184 --> 00:15:14,784
The police, okay,
just stay where you are.

295
00:15:14,786 --> 00:15:17,391
Hey, let's get these
girls in separate rooms!

296
00:15:18,324 --> 00:15:19,890
You two, come with me.

297
00:15:21,126 --> 00:15:22,192
You want me
to hold 'em here?

298
00:15:22,194 --> 00:15:24,131
Keep 'em separate, whew.

299
00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:27,664
Hey, Ken.

300
00:15:27,666 --> 00:15:31,469
I got it, I got it.

301
00:15:31,471 --> 00:15:33,403
Man, I think I
stepped in something.

302
00:15:33,405 --> 00:15:35,139
It's probably cat shit.

303
00:15:36,208 --> 00:15:37,310
Oh man, it is cat shit!

304
00:15:38,544 --> 00:15:39,847
That over there.

305
00:15:42,781 --> 00:15:43,648
Oh my God.

306
00:15:43,650 --> 00:15:44,916
Don't touch that.

307
00:15:44,918 --> 00:15:45,982
What is this, the lunch room?

308
00:15:45,984 --> 00:15:47,217
Lunch room?

309
00:15:47,219 --> 00:15:49,822
No, I'm good, no lunch for me.

310
00:16:07,406 --> 00:16:08,639
Keep those
ladies in the back.

311
00:16:08,641 --> 00:16:11,477
We'll interview 'em
later, all right?

312
00:16:13,846 --> 00:16:15,379
I think I
got some blood spatter

313
00:16:15,381 --> 00:16:16,413
over here or something.

314
00:16:16,415 --> 00:16:17,483
Hey, uh, Woody.

315
00:16:18,418 --> 00:16:19,920
Hey man, you gotta see this.

316
00:16:30,329 --> 00:16:31,995
Hold it up, little higher.

317
00:16:46,145 --> 00:16:48,515
Hey man, is this normal?

318
00:16:49,415 --> 00:16:50,514
I don't know, I've never been

319
00:16:50,516 --> 00:16:51,951
in an abortion clinic before.

320
00:16:54,887 --> 00:16:56,019
You all right?

321
00:16:56,021 --> 00:16:57,855
We've
got eyes on Gosnell.

322
00:16:57,857 --> 00:16:59,155
He's coming in the
north entrance.

323
00:16:59,157 --> 00:17:00,426
Roger that.

324
00:17:02,761 --> 00:17:04,961
Should
be there in a minute.

325
00:17:17,042 --> 00:17:19,109
Hello, hello!

326
00:17:19,111 --> 00:17:20,813
How y'all doing this evening?

327
00:17:22,948 --> 00:17:23,816
Dr. Gosnell.

328
00:17:24,917 --> 00:17:29,386
We are the DEA, the FBI,
and the Philadelphia Police.

329
00:17:29,388 --> 00:17:31,588
Well, goodness, my goodness.

330
00:17:31,590 --> 00:17:33,223
Did we have a break in?

331
00:17:33,225 --> 00:17:36,795
No sir, we have a warrant
to search these premises.

332
00:17:37,495 --> 00:17:39,196
Am I under arrest?

333
00:17:39,198 --> 00:17:40,666
Not at this juncture.

334
00:17:42,069 --> 00:17:44,234
Well, just give me a moment

335
00:17:44,236 --> 00:17:46,903
if you would to put these down.

336
00:17:46,905 --> 00:17:48,308
Ah, thank you.

337
00:17:51,844 --> 00:17:55,014
I have some special patients
I have to attend to.

338
00:17:55,915 --> 00:17:57,984
You gentlemen can come
watch if you like.

339
00:18:02,621 --> 00:18:04,824
Ooh, just a minute, guys.

340
00:18:09,628 --> 00:18:11,362
Ah, there you are.

341
00:18:11,364 --> 00:18:12,699
Hey, hey, hey!

342
00:18:13,767 --> 00:18:16,232
Oh yes, you're
hungry, aren't you?

343
00:18:16,234 --> 00:18:17,169
Here we go.

344
00:18:18,338 --> 00:18:21,972
Ah, come get it, come get
it, come on, come get it.

345
00:18:21,974 --> 00:18:23,708
Come, there you come.

346
00:18:23,710 --> 00:18:24,578
Oh yeah.

347
00:18:25,944 --> 00:18:26,812
Ah, yes.

348
00:18:27,981 --> 00:18:28,882
Ah, yes.

349
00:18:30,916 --> 00:18:35,619
They bring my patients such
joy at a very difficult time.

350
00:18:35,621 --> 00:18:38,321
Doctor, we have a
patient in distress.

351
00:18:38,323 --> 00:18:39,725
Oh, oh dear!

352
00:18:40,761 --> 00:18:43,829
Pardon me, I have to see
about this right away.

353
00:19:24,570 --> 00:19:28,839
I'm hoping
they arrested somebody.

354
00:19:28,841 --> 00:19:31,711
Excuse me, officer, have
there been any arrests?

355
00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,146
Can you tell me why the police

356
00:19:36,148 --> 00:19:37,783
are raiding an abortion clinic?

357
00:19:40,485 --> 00:19:42,755
Why are the DEA and
the FBI involved?

358
00:19:44,624 --> 00:19:46,723
What's the matter, you
don't like tattoos?

359
00:19:52,933 --> 00:19:55,633
We're gonna,
scripts, on the fraud,

360
00:19:55,635 --> 00:19:57,469
- on the false IDs.
- Let's go after the money.

361
00:19:57,471 --> 00:19:59,068
You build the money
on top of my case.

362
00:19:59,070 --> 00:20:00,671
Hey, are you just
gonna let him run around

363
00:20:00,673 --> 00:20:01,972
and treat these women?

364
00:20:01,974 --> 00:20:03,641
You know how to do it?

365
00:20:03,643 --> 00:20:05,476
Well, call in an
ambulance or something,

366
00:20:05,478 --> 00:20:06,778
this place is crazy!

367
00:20:06,780 --> 00:20:09,681
Look, that's not
what we're here for.

368
00:20:09,683 --> 00:20:12,215
I'm sorry for
all the extra mess.

369
00:20:13,819 --> 00:20:15,655
You might have noticed, um,

370
00:20:20,358 --> 00:20:21,726
we've been having a dispute

371
00:20:21,728 --> 00:20:26,600
with our medical
disposal company.

372
00:20:34,005 --> 00:20:37,076
Yeah, you see that
little rascal over there?

373
00:20:38,511 --> 00:20:42,148
He's killed over 100
mice in this clinic.

374
00:20:55,126 --> 00:20:56,527
Woody?

375
00:20:56,529 --> 00:20:58,131
You are not gonna believe
what I saw last night.

376
00:21:02,335 --> 00:21:04,568
The stench was unbelievable.

377
00:21:04,570 --> 00:21:05,702
Is this the lunch room?

378
00:21:05,704 --> 00:21:07,938
He had all these
bags everywhere.

379
00:21:07,940 --> 00:21:09,472
He said they were medical waste.

380
00:21:09,474 --> 00:21:10,941
We opened up some of them,

381
00:21:10,943 --> 00:21:14,211
there were little bodies inside.

382
00:21:14,213 --> 00:21:15,278
Bodies?

383
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:16,413
What do you mean, fetuses?

384
00:21:16,415 --> 00:21:18,952
They looked like babies to me.

385
00:21:20,319 --> 00:21:21,685
How many?

386
00:21:21,687 --> 00:21:23,354
So far, we found
over 30 of them.

387
00:21:23,356 --> 00:21:26,656
Stuffed inside jugs, inside
bags, in the refrigerator,

388
00:21:26,658 --> 00:21:28,291
the freezer, everywhere.

389
00:21:28,293 --> 00:21:30,661
Oh, oh, the jars.

390
00:21:30,663 --> 00:21:34,131
This guy put baby's
feet in jars.

391
00:21:35,601 --> 00:21:37,134
What, what do
you mean, in jars?

392
00:21:37,136 --> 00:21:39,503
No, wait, look,
right over here.

393
00:21:39,505 --> 00:21:40,570
Look at that.

394
00:21:40,572 --> 00:21:41,941
I mean, is that normal?

395
00:21:48,580 --> 00:21:50,183
He had dozens of 'em.

396
00:21:51,850 --> 00:21:54,218
And then they let him
go work on this woman

397
00:21:54,220 --> 00:21:55,619
while we were there.

398
00:21:55,621 --> 00:21:56,988
I'm telling you,
this woman was bigger

399
00:21:56,990 --> 00:21:58,388
than Joan was when
she had Charlie.

400
00:21:58,390 --> 00:22:00,626
And, that's got to
be illegal, right?

401
00:22:01,726 --> 00:22:02,792
I don't know.

402
00:22:02,794 --> 00:22:04,295
A woman that big?

403
00:22:04,297 --> 00:22:05,863
I mean, there has to
be some kind of a limit

404
00:22:05,865 --> 00:22:07,131
on when you can
have an abortion.

405
00:22:07,133 --> 00:22:09,666
Yeah, but I don't
know what that is.

406
00:22:09,668 --> 00:22:11,535
I thought you were a lawyer?

407
00:22:11,537 --> 00:22:13,069
Woody, I have five kids.

408
00:22:13,071 --> 00:22:14,808
What do I know about abortion?

409
00:22:17,309 --> 00:22:18,675
Here.

410
00:22:18,677 --> 00:22:21,010
No person shall perform
or induce an abortion

411
00:22:21,012 --> 00:22:23,079
upon another person
when the gestational age

412
00:22:23,081 --> 00:22:26,085
of the unborn child
is 24 or more weeks.

413
00:22:26,953 --> 00:22:28,618
That's six months.

414
00:22:28,620 --> 00:22:29,487
Unreal.

415
00:22:29,489 --> 00:22:30,557
Six months?

416
00:22:33,425 --> 00:22:36,626
How big is a baby at six months?

417
00:22:36,628 --> 00:22:37,929
Pretty big.

418
00:22:37,931 --> 00:22:39,762
Big enough that the
fetuses that you saw

419
00:22:39,764 --> 00:22:41,031
could have been perfectly legal.

420
00:22:41,033 --> 00:22:44,067
There's something
bad going on there.

421
00:22:44,069 --> 00:22:44,937
I know it.

422
00:22:45,672 --> 00:22:46,770
You got any witnesses?

423
00:22:46,772 --> 00:22:48,207
I got a list of employees.

424
00:22:49,541 --> 00:22:50,876
Let's go talk to 'em.

425
00:22:51,777 --> 00:22:53,144
I made me a color
chart to remember

426
00:22:53,146 --> 00:22:56,446
the different drugs and
how much to give them.

427
00:22:56,448 --> 00:22:58,715
They would tell me a color
and I'd know what to do.

428
00:22:58,717 --> 00:23:01,751
So, Gosnell trained
you to give anesthesia?

429
00:23:01,753 --> 00:23:03,721
How much training did you get?

430
00:23:03,723 --> 00:23:04,957
About 20 minutes.

431
00:23:07,292 --> 00:23:09,593
When did you start
working at the clinic?

432
00:23:09,595 --> 00:23:10,928
'Bout five years ago, I guess.

433
00:23:10,930 --> 00:23:12,699
When you were 15.

434
00:23:13,598 --> 00:23:14,999
Mama worked there.

435
00:23:15,001 --> 00:23:17,000
She'd bring me in after
school for extra credit

436
00:23:17,002 --> 00:23:19,436
and Doc liked me,
so he hired me.

437
00:23:19,438 --> 00:23:21,338
And you would use this
chart to help you know

438
00:23:21,340 --> 00:23:24,442
what drugs to give the women
who came into the clinic?

439
00:23:24,444 --> 00:23:25,542
Yeah.

440
00:23:25,544 --> 00:23:27,045
The Demerol and the Cytotec.

441
00:23:27,946 --> 00:23:30,050
That's the one that
makes them precipitate.

442
00:23:31,451 --> 00:23:33,651
Precipitate?

443
00:23:33,653 --> 00:23:36,623
That's Doc's word for
when the babies come out.

444
00:23:38,590 --> 00:23:40,325
When the babies come out?

445
00:23:41,461 --> 00:23:44,329
What would happen then,
after the babies came out?

446
00:23:45,098 --> 00:23:46,800
Doc or somebody'd snip it?

447
00:23:48,533 --> 00:23:50,268
Snip it?

448
00:23:50,270 --> 00:23:53,004
He would take scissors and
cut the back of their necks.

449
00:23:53,739 --> 00:23:55,071
He taught everybody how to do it

450
00:23:55,073 --> 00:23:57,407
so that it could be
done if he wasn't there.

451
00:23:57,409 --> 00:24:01,780
He did it to all of them, even
the ones that wasn't moving.

452
00:24:03,147 --> 00:24:05,251
Some of the
babies were moving?

453
00:24:10,021 --> 00:24:12,626
Betty, how many times
did you see that happen?

454
00:24:13,358 --> 00:24:14,226
Babies moving?

455
00:24:20,398 --> 00:24:21,800
I don't know.

456
00:24:26,271 --> 00:24:28,407
Got any plans for
the next few years?

457
00:24:30,809 --> 00:24:34,178
Can you just call DA McGuire
and ask if she'll see me?

458
00:24:34,180 --> 00:24:35,311
I mean...

459
00:24:35,313 --> 00:24:36,846
I really
can't, ma'am, I'm sorry.

460
00:24:36,848 --> 00:24:38,015
I mean, I know I don't
have an appointment,

461
00:24:38,017 --> 00:24:38,882
but since I'm
already down here...

462
00:24:38,884 --> 00:24:40,183
I know.

463
00:24:40,185 --> 00:24:41,952
You really need to
have an appointment.

464
00:24:41,954 --> 00:24:43,320
I even know the extension
if you can just like

465
00:24:43,322 --> 00:24:44,954
like 432, like hello,
can DA McGuire see me?

466
00:24:44,956 --> 00:24:46,691
Hey Woody.

467
00:24:46,693 --> 00:24:48,592
Oh, Detective Woods, hi, can
I talk to you for a second?

468
00:24:48,594 --> 00:24:49,961
Do I know you?

469
00:24:49,963 --> 00:24:51,394
Mollie Mullaney,
Mullaney Report.

470
00:24:51,396 --> 00:24:52,963
I just had a couple
questions about the...

471
00:24:52,965 --> 00:24:54,565
The press, no,
I hate the press.

472
00:24:54,567 --> 00:24:55,833
It's nothing personal,
it's just because you guys

473
00:24:55,835 --> 00:24:56,900
lie all the time and stuff.

474
00:24:56,902 --> 00:24:58,001
I'm not from the press.

475
00:24:58,003 --> 00:24:59,036
I'm an investigative blogger.

476
00:24:59,038 --> 00:24:59,903
I just want a few...

477
00:24:59,905 --> 00:25:01,538
Blogger?

478
00:25:01,540 --> 00:25:03,507
Forget it, kid, I don't
even talk to real reporters.

479
00:25:03,509 --> 00:25:05,909
Ah, no bloggers allowed.

480
00:25:29,734 --> 00:25:31,102
Yeah.

481
00:25:31,104 --> 00:25:32,635
That's jammed up
pretty good, huh?

482
00:25:32,637 --> 00:25:34,273
Let's take the whole unit.

483
00:25:35,540 --> 00:25:36,907
Detective Stark?

484
00:25:36,909 --> 00:25:38,075
There are a bunch of
file boxes on the list

485
00:25:38,077 --> 00:25:39,410
that seem to have been moved.

486
00:25:39,412 --> 00:25:40,277
We can't find 'em.

487
00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:41,181
Show me.

488
00:25:49,355 --> 00:25:50,988
It was a cat, there
were cats everywhere

489
00:25:50,990 --> 00:25:52,623
in the whole place,
cat's running around.

490
00:25:52,625 --> 00:25:53,957
And we've been clearing
stuff out of this clinic

491
00:25:53,959 --> 00:25:55,459
for almost 24 hours.

492
00:25:55,461 --> 00:25:57,094
We found envelopes
with cash in 'em

493
00:25:57,096 --> 00:25:59,096
and one of which was
labeled with, uh...

494
00:25:59,098 --> 00:26:00,564
Karnamaya Mongar.

495
00:26:00,566 --> 00:26:01,665
Thank you.

496
00:26:01,667 --> 00:26:03,267
She paid for her own death.

497
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:05,836
We also found these
plastic medical waste bags.

498
00:26:05,838 --> 00:26:07,471
Some of them contained fetuses.

499
00:26:07,473 --> 00:26:09,440
And then we have these
files that Gosnell

500
00:26:09,442 --> 00:26:12,009
kept on 'em and some of them
corresponded with the fetuses.

501
00:26:12,011 --> 00:26:14,144
How did you match the
files to the bodies?

502
00:26:14,146 --> 00:26:15,746
He labeled them.

503
00:26:15,748 --> 00:26:17,315
He wrote names on a little
piece of masking tape.

504
00:26:17,317 --> 00:26:19,583
The guy must not think
he did anything wrong.

505
00:26:19,585 --> 00:26:22,786
But he was moving the files
and he was moving the bags

506
00:26:22,788 --> 00:26:23,988
in the meantime.

507
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:25,189
Well, how could he do that?

508
00:26:25,191 --> 00:26:26,623
There were cops
all over the place.

509
00:26:26,625 --> 00:26:28,057
I mean, that's like
a maze up in there.

510
00:26:28,059 --> 00:26:29,292
It's like three houses connected

511
00:26:29,294 --> 00:26:30,728
by secret corridors and stuff.

512
00:26:30,730 --> 00:26:32,496
I got lost in there
a couple times.

513
00:26:32,498 --> 00:26:35,799
But he's not under arrest, so
he could have moved that stuff

514
00:26:35,801 --> 00:26:37,401
at any time under our noses.

515
00:26:37,403 --> 00:26:39,803
I guess he does think
he's doing something wrong.

516
00:26:39,805 --> 00:26:43,073
Yeah, but the question is,
where's he moving the stuff to?

517
00:26:48,946 --> 00:26:50,513
McGuire!

518
00:26:50,515 --> 00:26:52,017
Didn't know you were
gonna party with us today.

519
00:26:53,219 --> 00:26:56,255
Well, I can't let
you boys have all the fun.

520
00:26:56,989 --> 00:26:58,422
You look good in Kevlar.

521
00:26:58,424 --> 00:27:00,093
You should wear it more often.

522
00:27:18,578 --> 00:27:19,776
Dr. Gosnell?

523
00:27:19,778 --> 00:27:20,876
Police, open up.

524
00:27:20,878 --> 00:27:22,415
We've got a search warrant.

525
00:27:25,850 --> 00:27:29,254
Dr. Gosnell, it's the police
with a search warrant, open up.

526
00:27:30,655 --> 00:27:31,558
All right.

527
00:27:32,892 --> 00:27:33,960
Wait!

528
00:27:35,627 --> 00:27:38,596
Rule number one in
a door breach, try the handle.

529
00:27:38,598 --> 00:27:39,598
Thank you.

530
00:27:41,232 --> 00:27:44,101
Dr. Gosnell, Philadelphia
Police Department.

531
00:27:44,103 --> 00:27:46,069
We have a search
warrant for this house.

532
00:27:47,906 --> 00:27:48,974
Dr. Gosnell?

533
00:27:50,542 --> 00:27:51,444
Police.

534
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:19,938
Dr. Gosnell?

535
00:28:21,072 --> 00:28:22,207
Police Department.

536
00:28:24,510 --> 00:28:27,180
I guess their
cleaning lady took a week off.

537
00:28:33,018 --> 00:28:33,884
Sorry to bother you.

538
00:28:33,886 --> 00:28:35,618
Police.

539
00:28:35,620 --> 00:28:36,955
Is your father at home?

540
00:29:06,217 --> 00:29:08,417
Dr. Gosnell, Philadelphia
Police Department.

541
00:29:08,419 --> 00:29:10,588
We have a search warrant
for your house, sir.

542
00:29:11,557 --> 00:29:14,226
Of
course, of course.

543
00:29:15,394 --> 00:29:18,263
Just let me know if there's
anything I can do to help.

544
00:29:19,164 --> 00:29:21,631
I assume you've met my daughter.

545
00:29:21,633 --> 00:29:22,669
Is your wife here?

546
00:29:23,769 --> 00:29:24,867
No, she's not.

547
00:29:24,869 --> 00:29:25,804
She's shopping.

548
00:29:26,772 --> 00:29:28,440
Make yourselves at
home.

549
00:29:47,059 --> 00:29:49,159
Deeds to houses.

550
00:29:49,161 --> 00:29:51,397
He's got real estate
all over the place.

551
00:29:52,431 --> 00:29:54,731
That's not all he's got.

552
00:29:54,733 --> 00:29:56,034
Look at this.

553
00:30:12,484 --> 00:30:15,719
May I fix you
some breakfast, detective?

554
00:30:15,721 --> 00:30:16,588
No thank you.

555
00:30:18,457 --> 00:30:20,223
Dr. Gosnell, we need
the keys that you have

556
00:30:20,225 --> 00:30:21,825
to a padlocked door
in the hallway.

557
00:30:21,827 --> 00:30:24,627
Do you really need to do that?

558
00:30:24,629 --> 00:30:26,297
It's the cellar.

559
00:30:26,299 --> 00:30:28,768
I'm almost ashamed to
let you go down there.

560
00:30:30,703 --> 00:30:32,736
It's a bit messy.

561
00:31:10,309 --> 00:31:12,244
Files have been
moved recently.

562
00:31:14,512 --> 00:31:16,348
Definitely moving stuff around.

563
00:31:33,065 --> 00:31:34,133
Oh.

564
00:31:45,176 --> 00:31:46,344
Stark?

565
00:31:47,346 --> 00:31:48,778
Yeah?

566
00:31:48,780 --> 00:31:50,580
What is this?

567
00:31:50,582 --> 00:31:51,315
Oh God!

568
00:31:51,317 --> 00:31:53,016
Oh, hell no, come on!

569
00:31:53,018 --> 00:31:54,217
Let's go!

570
00:31:56,821 --> 00:31:57,887
Open up!

571
00:31:57,889 --> 00:31:59,155
- Hey!
- Open up!

572
00:31:59,157 --> 00:31:59,823
Come
on, help me with it.

573
00:31:59,825 --> 00:32:00,924
Open up.

574
00:32:00,926 --> 00:32:01,858
We got it, here.

575
00:32:01,860 --> 00:32:02,925
Here, gimme your hand.

576
00:32:02,927 --> 00:32:03,794
Come on, get 'em out.

577
00:32:03,796 --> 00:32:04,694
Get your suits off!

578
00:32:04,696 --> 00:32:06,331
Get it off of me.

579
00:32:07,332 --> 00:32:09,399
Get 'em
off, get 'em off!

580
00:32:09,401 --> 00:32:10,334
Oh shit.

581
00:32:10,336 --> 00:32:11,570
Get this off.

582
00:32:13,438 --> 00:32:14,639
It's disgusting!

583
00:32:18,309 --> 00:32:19,444
What the...

584
00:32:20,378 --> 00:32:22,246
Did someone turn on the radio?

585
00:32:23,014 --> 00:32:25,283
Hey, what's going on in here?

586
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,723
This is a crime scene, people.

587
00:32:39,665 --> 00:32:42,135
I warned you about the mess.

588
00:33:16,467 --> 00:33:18,470
Yes, I'm holding
for Dr. North.

589
00:33:19,672 --> 00:33:21,070
Well, do you know
when she will be in?

590
00:33:21,072 --> 00:33:23,208
This is the third
time I've called.

591
00:33:25,176 --> 00:33:26,378
Yes, please.

592
00:33:27,245 --> 00:33:29,278
ADA Alexis McGuire.

593
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,482
You have my number?

594
00:33:32,283 --> 00:33:36,655
Yeah, okay, thank you.

595
00:33:39,524 --> 00:33:43,058
Hey, Doctor Ray,
I got a man down.

596
00:33:43,060 --> 00:33:44,530
Do you mind taking a look?

597
00:33:45,664 --> 00:33:47,263
It's just a little
ear infection.

598
00:33:47,265 --> 00:33:48,498
I'll call in a prescription
for you, he'll be fine.

599
00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:49,365
Thanks, Doc.

600
00:33:49,367 --> 00:33:50,435
You're the best.

601
00:33:51,870 --> 00:33:54,637
By the way, have you
ever heard of a doctor

602
00:33:54,639 --> 00:33:58,040
cutting an aborted fetus's
neck to ensure fetal demise?

603
00:33:58,042 --> 00:33:59,511
I've never heard of that.

604
00:34:00,311 --> 00:34:02,313
Is this the Gosnell case?

605
00:34:02,315 --> 00:34:04,248
Can I put you
on the witness stand?

606
00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:05,848
Wouldn't testify
in that case about anything.

607
00:34:05,850 --> 00:34:07,584
Doubt you'll find
a doctor who will.

608
00:34:07,586 --> 00:34:08,984
Tell me about it.

609
00:34:08,986 --> 00:34:11,587
My own obstetrician who
just delivered this guy

610
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:13,022
told me to pound sand.

611
00:34:13,024 --> 00:34:14,890
Well, they all knew
him as a colleague.

612
00:34:14,892 --> 00:34:16,191
Some of them probably even
referred patients to him.

613
00:34:16,193 --> 00:34:17,259
So?

614
00:34:17,261 --> 00:34:18,861
That doesn't make them culpable.

615
00:34:18,863 --> 00:34:20,763
Lexi, it's abortion,
nobody wants to touch that.

616
00:34:20,765 --> 00:34:23,668
Listen, if he's not better
in a couple days, holler.

617
00:34:39,151 --> 00:34:40,216
Here you go.

618
00:34:40,218 --> 00:34:41,884
One medium skinny late.

619
00:34:41,886 --> 00:34:42,886
Name's Lexi.

620
00:34:47,591 --> 00:34:49,325
Excuse me, Ms. McGuire.

621
00:34:49,327 --> 00:34:50,993
Are you gonna be the first
prosecutor in American history

622
00:34:50,995 --> 00:34:53,129
to charge an abortion
doctor with murder?

623
00:34:53,131 --> 00:34:54,531
I'm sorry, who are you?

624
00:34:54,533 --> 00:34:56,569
Mollie Mullaney,
Mullaney Report.

625
00:34:59,738 --> 00:35:02,772
Shouldn't you be at home
in your pajamas or something?

626
00:35:02,774 --> 00:35:04,975
It's free Wi-Fi, so it's
actually reason enough

627
00:35:04,977 --> 00:35:06,442
to get out of bed.

628
00:35:06,444 --> 00:35:08,144
Now, in the past, you've
said that you're pro-choice.

629
00:35:08,146 --> 00:35:09,781
Why are you pursuing this case?

630
00:35:11,015 --> 00:35:13,750
Young lady, I appreciate
your enthusiasm,

631
00:35:13,752 --> 00:35:16,086
but I don't speak about
ongoing investigations.

632
00:35:16,088 --> 00:35:19,122
Hmm, have you ever heard
the name Samika Shaw?

633
00:35:19,124 --> 00:35:20,355
No, I haven't.

634
00:35:20,357 --> 00:35:22,091
Really?

635
00:35:22,093 --> 00:35:24,194
Well, she died in 2000 after
being treated by Dr. Gosnell.

636
00:35:24,196 --> 00:35:27,397
Ever heard of the Mother's
Day Massacre in 1972?

637
00:35:27,399 --> 00:35:30,200
Gosnell flew to the Bahamas
for 12 years right after that.

638
00:35:30,202 --> 00:35:31,535
Curious about why?

639
00:35:31,537 --> 00:35:32,734
Well, you can read
about it on my blog,

640
00:35:32,736 --> 00:35:34,904
the links are on the card.

641
00:35:34,906 --> 00:35:36,442
Wait, hold on.

642
00:35:37,443 --> 00:35:39,276
Where are you getting
your information?

643
00:35:39,278 --> 00:35:42,381
Sorry, I don't speak about
ongoing investigations.

644
00:36:01,834 --> 00:36:05,167
Ah kee kee, kee, I
got your toes here.

645
00:36:05,169 --> 00:36:07,504
Chh, chh, clap, clap, clap.

646
00:36:30,629 --> 00:36:34,767
We rehydrated all 47 of the
bodies taken from the fridges.

647
00:36:35,767 --> 00:36:38,901
I think you'll wanna
concentrate on the five largest.

648
00:36:38,903 --> 00:36:41,136
During a legal abortion,
a doctor would definitely

649
00:36:41,138 --> 00:36:44,808
have to empty the skulls to get
'em through the birth canal.

650
00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:48,212
So if we could prove the
skulls weren't emptied...

651
00:36:48,214 --> 00:36:51,517
That would mean they were
probably delivered alive.

652
00:37:03,227 --> 00:37:05,664
How do we know if the
skulls were emptied?

653
00:37:10,167 --> 00:37:11,035
We look.

654
00:37:17,642 --> 00:37:19,145
You just had a baby, Lex.

655
00:37:44,970 --> 00:37:45,838
Hey.

656
00:37:55,013 --> 00:37:55,881
What's going on?

657
00:37:57,883 --> 00:38:03,088
Mother's Day, 1972, Gosnell
and this psychologist,

658
00:38:04,189 --> 00:38:07,593
they bused in 15 pregnant
women from Chicago.

659
00:38:09,260 --> 00:38:10,662
Second trimester.

660
00:38:12,097 --> 00:38:16,299
They were doing
this big experiment,

661
00:38:16,301 --> 00:38:17,700
a demonstration, you know.

662
00:38:17,702 --> 00:38:19,504
They filmed it and everything.

663
00:38:21,140 --> 00:38:24,573
They were testing
this new device

664
00:38:24,575 --> 00:38:26,945
to make abortion easier.

665
00:38:30,115 --> 00:38:32,115
This ball of blades.

666
00:38:32,117 --> 00:38:36,921
They put it inside the woman
and the blades rolled open.

667
00:38:42,627 --> 00:38:44,563
Cut the girls up bad.

668
00:38:45,763 --> 00:38:49,332
Infections, hemorrhages,
one poor girl

669
00:38:49,334 --> 00:38:50,935
had to have a hysterectomy.

670
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,850
You know what
happened to Gosnell?

671
00:39:07,952 --> 00:39:08,886
Nothing.

672
00:39:10,155 --> 00:39:13,857
He hid out in the Bahamas
for a while, came back here,

673
00:39:13,859 --> 00:39:17,596
opened another clinic,
and since then, he's,

674
00:39:18,897 --> 00:39:24,135
he's been, killing babies, Ed.

675
00:39:25,002 --> 00:39:27,439
He's been delivering
babies alive,

676
00:39:28,339 --> 00:39:32,745
and then snipping their
necks with scissors.

677
00:39:33,912 --> 00:39:36,044
Hundreds of them,
thousands maybe,

678
00:39:36,046 --> 00:39:38,182
I don't know, for 30 years.

679
00:39:39,084 --> 00:39:41,185
Because nobody wanted
to say anything.

680
00:39:42,988 --> 00:39:44,756
Nobody wanted to know.

681
00:39:50,528 --> 00:39:52,595
I'm gonna get that bastard.

682
00:39:58,803 --> 00:39:59,669
You didn't pass out.

683
00:39:59,671 --> 00:40:01,404
No, but close.

684
00:40:01,406 --> 00:40:03,305
So, these are the files
that'll go with the other ones.

685
00:40:03,307 --> 00:40:06,277
Yeah, that would
be great, thank you.

686
00:40:12,082 --> 00:40:14,383
Okay, what have we got?

687
00:40:14,385 --> 00:40:16,352
We have written
statements from a number

688
00:40:16,354 --> 00:40:20,223
of untrained staff who saw
Gosnell snip the spinal cords

689
00:40:20,225 --> 00:40:22,258
of the babies after
they were born.

690
00:40:22,260 --> 00:40:24,727
He also directed his unlicensed
staff to administer drugs

691
00:40:24,729 --> 00:40:27,830
to Karnamaya Mongar,
resulting in her death.

692
00:40:27,832 --> 00:40:29,499
And we've gotten
statements to the tune

693
00:40:29,501 --> 00:40:32,935
of over 200 violations of
existing abortion limits,

694
00:40:32,937 --> 00:40:35,770
from the 24-hour rule
to the 24-week rule.

695
00:40:35,772 --> 00:40:37,339
Physical evidence?

696
00:40:37,341 --> 00:40:40,509
The bodies of six
fetuses, babies, whose heads

697
00:40:40,511 --> 00:40:43,779
were not emptied, indicating
they were born intact.

698
00:40:43,781 --> 00:40:45,348
Anything else?

699
00:40:45,350 --> 00:40:47,116
We also have a suspicion
that he was using medical waste

700
00:40:47,118 --> 00:40:48,917
from his clinics and he
was using that as bait

701
00:40:48,919 --> 00:40:50,953
for his crab pots
at his beach house.

702
00:40:50,955 --> 00:40:54,256
Well, that's sick and shocking,
but it's a lesser charge,

703
00:40:54,258 --> 00:40:55,491
abuse of corpse.

704
00:40:55,493 --> 00:40:56,892
It's not murder.

705
00:40:56,894 --> 00:40:58,593
What about that
garbage disposal?

706
00:40:58,595 --> 00:41:00,129
I mean, that thing was clogged
with God only knows what.

707
00:41:00,131 --> 00:41:01,730
There were
probably baby parts...

708
00:41:01,732 --> 00:41:04,433
Again, that does not
speak to a murder charge.

709
00:41:04,435 --> 00:41:06,301
Now listen.

710
00:41:06,303 --> 00:41:10,772
I heard Gosnell put
Mike Cohan on retainer.

711
00:41:10,774 --> 00:41:12,508
He's tough.

712
00:41:12,510 --> 00:41:15,213
If I was in this trouble, I'd
want him representing me too.

713
00:41:16,747 --> 00:41:17,648
Lexi.

714
00:41:18,450 --> 00:41:20,549
You have to
understand completely

715
00:41:20,551 --> 00:41:22,417
what it is you're doing here.

716
00:41:22,419 --> 00:41:26,122
You are prosecuting an
abortion doctor for murder.

717
00:41:26,124 --> 00:41:29,892
That man took babies
that he medically induced

718
00:41:29,894 --> 00:41:31,294
to be born alive...

719
00:41:31,296 --> 00:41:35,298
Yes, yes, but you know
how Cohan will play it.

720
00:41:35,300 --> 00:41:37,933
And you know how it
will play in the media.

721
00:41:37,935 --> 00:41:40,270
If you try this case
and lose, you can kiss

722
00:41:40,272 --> 00:41:43,339
any sort of political position
with the governor goodbye.

723
00:41:44,743 --> 00:41:47,509
You'll be the prosecutor who
went after reproductive rights.

724
00:41:47,511 --> 00:41:51,149
An activist ADA and you'll
be a racist to boot.

725
00:41:52,417 --> 00:41:56,651
There is nothing that man
did illegally for 30 years

726
00:41:56,653 --> 00:41:59,488
that protects women or children

727
00:41:59,490 --> 00:42:02,760
and you don't have to be a
pro-life activist to see that.

728
00:42:04,495 --> 00:42:05,463
All right.

729
00:42:06,798 --> 00:42:08,232
But you better win.

730
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:11,868
Your Honor, we believe
there is sufficient evidence

731
00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:16,105
to prove that Karnamaya Mongar
was murdered by Dr. Gosnell

732
00:42:16,107 --> 00:42:20,209
and that he murdered a number
of infants born alive...

733
00:42:20,211 --> 00:42:22,212
All right, stop right there.

734
00:42:22,214 --> 00:42:24,680
This is not a case
about abortion.

735
00:42:24,682 --> 00:42:25,881
You hear me?

736
00:42:25,883 --> 00:42:26,918
I hear you.

737
00:42:28,019 --> 00:42:30,453
You bring this
to my grand jury,

738
00:42:30,455 --> 00:42:33,189
I'm the one who signs
off on the report,

739
00:42:33,191 --> 00:42:37,427
and that report
will not, will not

740
00:42:38,363 --> 00:42:41,332
bring a woman's right
to chose into question.

741
00:42:42,501 --> 00:42:45,368
In this state, you've got
a lot of conservative folk

742
00:42:45,370 --> 00:42:47,572
who'd like to see
abortion outlawed

743
00:42:48,472 --> 00:42:51,073
and this is not
going to be the case

744
00:42:51,075 --> 00:42:53,078
that gives them an excuse.

745
00:42:54,646 --> 00:42:57,312
That's the way you're
going to try it,

746
00:42:57,314 --> 00:43:01,017
because that's the only
way I'll sign off on it.

747
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:03,789
Understood?

748
00:43:20,537 --> 00:43:24,040
As an intern, you saw
the conditions of the clinic.

749
00:43:24,042 --> 00:43:25,140
Oh yeah.

750
00:43:25,142 --> 00:43:27,509
There was dirt everywhere.

751
00:43:27,511 --> 00:43:30,513
Instruments being reused
without sterilization.

752
00:43:30,515 --> 00:43:33,149
Sometimes the patients
would have to urinate

753
00:43:33,151 --> 00:43:36,151
in the halls because
the bathrooms were busy.

754
00:43:36,153 --> 00:43:37,789
No one even cleaned it up.

755
00:43:39,423 --> 00:43:40,823
As a nursing student,

756
00:43:40,825 --> 00:43:43,260
why didn't you
report any of this?

757
00:43:44,194 --> 00:43:46,529
I just thought that's
the way they did things

758
00:43:46,531 --> 00:43:48,367
in an inner city clinic.

759
00:43:49,501 --> 00:43:51,600
I was referring
patients to Gosnell

760
00:43:51,602 --> 00:43:55,039
and they were returning with
sexually transmitted diseases.

761
00:43:55,841 --> 00:43:57,406
I got suspicious.

762
00:43:57,408 --> 00:44:00,609
I asked a social worker
to check the place out.

763
00:44:00,611 --> 00:44:05,048
She found appallingly dirty
conditions, untrained personnel,

764
00:44:05,050 --> 00:44:08,250
single use instruments
being used repeatedly.

765
00:44:08,252 --> 00:44:09,653
So you
filed a complaint

766
00:44:09,655 --> 00:44:11,386
with the State
Department of Health?

767
00:44:11,388 --> 00:44:15,125
I hand delivered that
complaint to the DOH personally.

768
00:44:15,127 --> 00:44:16,225
And their response?

769
00:44:16,227 --> 00:44:17,896
They never got back to me.

770
00:44:21,633 --> 00:44:27,004
When I said I wanted
to stop, he yelled at me.

771
00:44:27,839 --> 00:44:30,875
He slapped my leg real hard.

772
00:44:32,010 --> 00:44:35,111
Do you remember
exactly what he said to you?

773
00:44:35,113 --> 00:44:38,951
He told me, "Stop
acting like a baby."

774
00:44:39,818 --> 00:44:41,252
All of the nurses did.

775
00:44:42,187 --> 00:44:44,355
And then I passed out.

776
00:44:45,490 --> 00:44:50,495
And when I woke back up, I
knew I wasn't pregnant no more.

777
00:44:54,399 --> 00:44:56,866
I asked Dr.
Gosnell what happened

778
00:44:56,868 --> 00:44:58,234
to the babies afterwards.

779
00:44:58,236 --> 00:45:00,102
He said, "We burn 'em."

780
00:45:00,104 --> 00:45:01,671
So I told him I changed my mind.

781
00:45:01,673 --> 00:45:04,240
He got really mad at me,
told me it was too late.

782
00:45:04,242 --> 00:45:06,910
Said the procedure
couldn't be reversed.

783
00:45:06,912 --> 00:45:09,712
But the laminaria
had already been placed

784
00:45:09,714 --> 00:45:11,013
in your cervix, right?

785
00:45:11,015 --> 00:45:12,314
So what did you do?

786
00:45:12,316 --> 00:45:14,351
I went to Children's
Hospital instead.

787
00:45:15,287 --> 00:45:16,718
And were they able
to help you out?

788
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:17,787
Oh yes.

789
00:45:17,789 --> 00:45:19,057
I had my baby.

790
00:45:20,993 --> 00:45:22,258
The prosecution
has offered you

791
00:45:22,260 --> 00:45:24,294
a plea bargain, Dr. Gosnell.

792
00:45:24,296 --> 00:45:26,296
Your wife and daughter
would keep the house,

793
00:45:26,298 --> 00:45:28,064
your wife would
avoid prosecution,

794
00:45:28,066 --> 00:45:29,899
and you would avoid
the death penalty.

795
00:45:29,901 --> 00:45:33,169
But, I would have to admit
I was guilty.

796
00:45:33,171 --> 00:45:34,904
That is correct.

797
00:45:34,906 --> 00:45:37,605
Why on Earth would
I wanna do that?

798
00:45:37,607 --> 00:45:38,910
I'm not guilty.

799
00:45:42,147 --> 00:45:43,912
In that case, let me
ask you some questions

800
00:45:43,914 --> 00:45:45,515
that the prosecution
might ask you

801
00:45:45,517 --> 00:45:47,350
in the event we go to trial.

802
00:45:47,352 --> 00:45:50,422
I look forward to the
opportunity to tell my story.

803
00:45:52,624 --> 00:45:55,890
Well, the DA alleges that
you performed abortions

804
00:45:55,892 --> 00:45:57,361
past the legal limit.

805
00:45:58,664 --> 00:46:01,633
I was a close friend of
George Tiller, you know.

806
00:46:02,901 --> 00:46:04,000
I'm sorry?

807
00:46:04,002 --> 00:46:06,035
He was a sweet, gentle man.

808
00:46:06,037 --> 00:46:07,736
A martyr, really.

809
00:46:07,738 --> 00:46:10,841
But they said that he
performed late abortions too,

810
00:46:11,975 --> 00:46:15,646
and for that, he was struck
down by an assassin's bullet.

811
00:46:19,684 --> 00:46:22,685
Well, to get back
on point, Dr. Gosnell,

812
00:46:22,687 --> 00:46:26,990
let's say a woman came
to you, desperate,

813
00:46:26,992 --> 00:46:28,825
past the 24-week limit.

814
00:46:28,827 --> 00:46:31,794
Would you be inclined
to give her an abortion?

815
00:46:31,796 --> 00:46:33,162
Yes.

816
00:46:33,164 --> 00:46:36,064
I've asked myself what
if your own daughter

817
00:46:36,066 --> 00:46:37,667
were in this situation?

818
00:46:37,669 --> 00:46:40,870
Would you want her to have
access to an abortion?

819
00:46:40,872 --> 00:46:43,975
To not have her life
changed forever by a baby?

820
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:47,109
I looked at all
the women I treated

821
00:46:47,111 --> 00:46:49,013
as if they were my own daughter.

822
00:46:50,615 --> 00:46:52,080
Many of the files
in your office

823
00:46:52,082 --> 00:46:54,817
you had written 24.5 weeks.

824
00:46:54,819 --> 00:46:56,718
Are you aware that 24.5 weeks

825
00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:58,754
is past the legal
limit for abortion?

826
00:46:58,756 --> 00:47:03,392
I suppose I
assumed as in mathematics,

827
00:47:03,394 --> 00:47:06,664
that the number would be
rounded down to 24.

828
00:47:08,466 --> 00:47:10,732
Well, actually,
in mathematics that number

829
00:47:10,734 --> 00:47:12,535
would be rounded up,
but are you saying

830
00:47:12,537 --> 00:47:15,004
that that number
was an estimation

831
00:47:15,006 --> 00:47:17,173
and not a scientifically
deduced fact?

832
00:47:17,175 --> 00:47:19,676
If you read the law, it states

833
00:47:19,678 --> 00:47:23,645
that the measure of viability
is up to the physician.

834
00:47:23,647 --> 00:47:28,852
So, if I assessed that it is
of a lower gestational age,

835
00:47:29,553 --> 00:47:30,854
then that's what rules today.

836
00:47:31,622 --> 00:47:33,388
So your interpretation
of the law

837
00:47:33,390 --> 00:47:36,125
is that whatever you
decide to write down

838
00:47:36,127 --> 00:47:37,459
should be accepted.

839
00:47:37,461 --> 00:47:38,329
Yes.

840
00:47:40,664 --> 00:47:44,133
You kept the feet of
aborted babies in jars.

841
00:47:44,135 --> 00:47:45,633
Why?

842
00:47:45,635 --> 00:47:50,272
It's often necessary
to preserve the DNA

843
00:47:50,274 --> 00:47:52,142
for later identification.

844
00:47:52,144 --> 00:47:54,276
It's customary for
physicians to preserve

845
00:47:54,278 --> 00:47:57,113
a small sample, but
not a whole foot.

846
00:47:57,115 --> 00:47:59,117
See, these are
scientific matters.

847
00:48:00,051 --> 00:48:02,151
I can't expect a
layman to understand

848
00:48:02,153 --> 00:48:05,122
the complex nature
of my research.

849
00:48:06,223 --> 00:48:08,357
Is it true that you
allowed your unlicensed

850
00:48:08,359 --> 00:48:11,127
and untrained staff to
administer anesthesia

851
00:48:11,129 --> 00:48:14,629
and even to perform medical
procedures in your absence?

852
00:48:14,631 --> 00:48:16,799
They were properly trained.

853
00:48:16,801 --> 00:48:18,067
I trained 'em myself.

854
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:19,801
But you are aware
that there are laws

855
00:48:19,803 --> 00:48:23,772
governing the licensing and
training of medical personnel?

856
00:48:23,774 --> 00:48:25,309
These laws.

857
00:48:26,276 --> 00:48:27,343
They've always struck me

858
00:48:27,345 --> 00:48:29,948
as being politically motivated.

859
00:48:30,848 --> 00:48:33,682
The enemies of
abortion erected them

860
00:48:33,684 --> 00:48:38,256
to create barriers between
women and my services.

861
00:48:39,758 --> 00:48:42,461
I have no respect for
these laws whatsoever.

862
00:48:43,662 --> 00:48:47,631
These poor women who need me

863
00:48:49,868 --> 00:48:51,236
have nowhere else to go.

864
00:48:57,207 --> 00:48:58,475
You are an inspector

865
00:48:58,477 --> 00:49:00,276
for the Department
of Health, correct?

866
00:49:00,278 --> 00:49:01,644
Correct.

867
00:49:01,646 --> 00:49:03,111
And when was the
last time your division

868
00:49:03,113 --> 00:49:05,747
inspected Dr. Gosnell's clinic?

869
00:49:05,749 --> 00:49:06,982
1993.

870
00:49:06,984 --> 00:49:09,620
And then when the
FBI raided the place.

871
00:49:10,488 --> 00:49:12,955
17 years between inspections.

872
00:49:12,957 --> 00:49:14,756
We were told not
to do any inspections

873
00:49:14,758 --> 00:49:16,892
unless we received complaints.

874
00:49:16,894 --> 00:49:19,763
And you received no
complaints about Gosnell?

875
00:49:28,506 --> 00:49:30,341
Can you tell me what these are?

876
00:49:32,176 --> 00:49:33,341
I'll tell you what they are.

877
00:49:33,343 --> 00:49:34,442
They're complaints.

878
00:49:34,444 --> 00:49:36,414
Why didn't you do an inspection?

879
00:49:37,147 --> 00:49:39,015
We had instructions directly

880
00:49:39,017 --> 00:49:40,348
from Governor Ridge's office

881
00:49:40,350 --> 00:49:41,984
not to inspect abortion clinics.

882
00:49:41,986 --> 00:49:43,386
Why?

883
00:49:43,388 --> 00:49:44,453
It would hamper
women from exercising

884
00:49:44,455 --> 00:49:45,821
their reproductive rights.

885
00:49:45,823 --> 00:49:48,191
Are you aware that a
woman, Karnamaya Mongar,

886
00:49:48,193 --> 00:49:51,959
died of complications from an
abortion at Gosnell's clinic?

887
00:49:51,961 --> 00:49:53,495
I believe so, yes.

888
00:49:53,497 --> 00:49:55,798
Is it true the DOH
requires nail salons

889
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,801
to be inspected at
least once a year?

890
00:49:58,803 --> 00:50:00,002
Yes.

891
00:50:00,004 --> 00:50:01,537
If someone had
died at a nail salon,

892
00:50:01,539 --> 00:50:03,973
would you have
inspected it then?

893
00:50:03,975 --> 00:50:05,473
Look.

894
00:50:05,475 --> 00:50:07,778
Accidents happen during
medical procedures.

895
00:50:08,446 --> 00:50:09,779
People die.

896
00:50:34,638 --> 00:50:37,408
So this is what happens
when you try to help people?

897
00:50:51,622 --> 00:50:53,555
Dr. Kermit Gosnell.

898
00:50:53,557 --> 00:50:55,890
You are charged with
eight counts of murder

899
00:50:55,892 --> 00:50:57,228
in the first degree,

900
00:50:58,095 --> 00:51:00,863
24 counts of illegal abortion,

901
00:51:00,865 --> 00:51:04,533
and 227 misdemeanor violations

902
00:51:04,535 --> 00:51:07,705
of the 24-hour
abortion consent law.

903
00:51:08,539 --> 00:51:09,707
How do you plead?

904
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,910
My client pleads not
guilty, Your Honor.

905
00:51:14,379 --> 00:51:17,145
I order you remanded
to custody to await trial.

906
00:51:17,147 --> 00:51:19,649
Your Honor, I'm
prepared to pay bail.

907
00:51:19,651 --> 00:51:21,616
This is a capital
murder case, Dr. Gosnell.

908
00:51:21,618 --> 00:51:23,821
Bail is not a possibility.

909
00:51:24,756 --> 00:51:26,022
Do you have anything
else you'd like to say

910
00:51:26,024 --> 00:51:27,790
before this indictment
is handed down?

911
00:51:27,792 --> 00:51:29,057
Oh my.

912
00:51:29,059 --> 00:51:29,961
Yes, Your Honor.

913
00:51:31,129 --> 00:51:33,796
I'm quite concerned about
the turtles in my clinic.

914
00:51:33,798 --> 00:51:35,665
They're an endangered species

915
00:51:35,667 --> 00:51:38,734
and I've filed several
requests for them to be moved.

916
00:51:38,736 --> 00:51:41,738
Counselor, you will
have to deal with this.

917
00:51:41,740 --> 00:51:44,473
Your Honor, this is a
very complicated case.

918
00:51:44,475 --> 00:51:46,109
I think we have
higher priorities

919
00:51:46,111 --> 00:51:49,377
than worrying about Dr. Gosnell's
illegally obtained pets.

920
00:51:49,379 --> 00:51:53,049
I take the Endangered
Species Act very seriously.

921
00:51:53,051 --> 00:51:54,984
You are going to
have to figure out

922
00:51:54,986 --> 00:51:58,153
how to deal with these
vulnerable creatures.

923
00:51:59,823 --> 00:52:01,526
Thank you, Your Honor.

924
00:52:03,660 --> 00:52:05,562
Not an animal
lover, Ms. McGuire?

925
00:52:18,343 --> 00:52:22,544
All right, you guys have
never handled a case like this.

926
00:52:22,546 --> 00:52:23,814
You need to be ready.

927
00:52:24,948 --> 00:52:28,183
Kermit Gosnell is perhaps the
most prolific serial killer

928
00:52:28,185 --> 00:52:29,951
in American history,

929
00:52:29,953 --> 00:52:32,187
but he is also an
abortion doctor,

930
00:52:32,189 --> 00:52:34,522
a major hot button issue.

931
00:52:34,524 --> 00:52:36,392
That makes him big news.

932
00:52:36,394 --> 00:52:38,194
Ladies and
gentlemen of the jury,

933
00:52:38,196 --> 00:52:40,629
this is gonna be a long trial.

934
00:52:40,631 --> 00:52:42,365
When you get to
the courthouse,

935
00:52:42,367 --> 00:52:45,866
you are going to be swarmed
by reporters, swamped by them.

936
00:52:45,868 --> 00:52:48,136
They are gonna be
shouting questions at you,

937
00:52:48,138 --> 00:52:52,274
snapping pictures, sticking
microphones in your faces.

938
00:52:53,944 --> 00:52:56,845
The courtroom is going to
be packed to overflowing.

939
00:52:56,847 --> 00:52:58,781
You won't be able
to use the toilet

940
00:52:58,783 --> 00:53:01,417
without one of them
sticking their heads out

941
00:53:01,419 --> 00:53:03,154
to ask you for an interview.

942
00:53:04,122 --> 00:53:07,589
So, remember, take
a breath, stay calm,

943
00:53:07,591 --> 00:53:09,591
say the case will
be tried in court

944
00:53:09,593 --> 00:53:11,896
and decided by the
jury and that's all.

945
00:53:12,897 --> 00:53:14,529
When we get there,
I want you to head

946
00:53:14,531 --> 00:53:16,464
right into the courtroom.

947
00:53:16,466 --> 00:53:18,435
I'll stop and
speak to the press.

948
00:53:20,805 --> 00:53:22,607
You ready for this, counselor?

949
00:53:43,359 --> 00:53:44,796
I'll be damned.

950
00:54:03,847 --> 00:54:05,482
Where is everybody?

951
00:54:11,354 --> 00:54:12,421
Hello!

952
00:54:12,423 --> 00:54:14,089
Well, how pretty you look today.

953
00:54:14,091 --> 00:54:16,325
Don't tell me you know how
to work that contraption.

954
00:54:20,497 --> 00:54:21,964
Hello, counselor.

955
00:54:21,966 --> 00:54:24,702
My, what a lovely blouse.

956
00:54:28,037 --> 00:54:30,641
This is not a
case about abortion.

957
00:54:31,542 --> 00:54:33,575
This is a case about murder.

958
00:54:33,577 --> 00:54:35,877
The murder of Karnamaya Mongar

959
00:54:35,879 --> 00:54:40,883
and the murder of seven infants
born alive and then killed.

960
00:54:40,885 --> 00:54:42,886
That's what I want
you to focus on.

961
00:54:43,687 --> 00:54:45,720
The murder of those babies.

962
00:54:45,722 --> 00:54:47,823
Not that they were
there to be aborted,

963
00:54:47,825 --> 00:54:50,625
not whatever their
mothers had in mind,

964
00:54:50,627 --> 00:54:56,033
but what happened to those
babies after they were born alive

965
00:54:56,499 --> 00:54:57,501
into this world.

966
00:55:03,073 --> 00:55:06,375
They've come up with one
tragic death, Karnamaya Mongar.

967
00:55:06,377 --> 00:55:09,845
One death in 31 years and
they think that one case

968
00:55:09,847 --> 00:55:11,549
makes this man a monster.

969
00:55:12,484 --> 00:55:14,250
I mean, to hear the
Commonwealth talk,

970
00:55:14,252 --> 00:55:16,584
you'd think people
were just dropping dead

971
00:55:16,586 --> 00:55:18,654
right in front of
that clinic every day,

972
00:55:18,656 --> 00:55:20,890
the corpses just piling
up on the sidewalk,

973
00:55:20,892 --> 00:55:23,325
right there in front of
3801 Lancaster Avenue.

974
00:55:23,327 --> 00:55:27,462
But no, this man's clinic has
been in operation for years,

975
00:55:27,464 --> 00:55:29,566
in '78, '79, '80, '81,

976
00:55:31,068 --> 00:55:31,970
'82, '83, '84.

977
00:55:33,169 --> 00:55:35,537
Year after year after
year of this man

978
00:55:35,539 --> 00:55:38,341
successfully treating his
patients and giving them

979
00:55:38,343 --> 00:55:40,042
the services they requested.

980
00:55:40,044 --> 00:55:41,410
Some of them even coming back

981
00:55:41,412 --> 00:55:43,145
for a third or fourth procedure.

982
00:55:43,147 --> 00:55:46,618
Why would they come back if
this man was such a monster?

983
00:55:49,687 --> 00:55:51,020
The Commonwealth
wants to tell you

984
00:55:51,022 --> 00:55:53,488
that this is not a
case about abortion.

985
00:55:54,825 --> 00:55:57,292
This absolutely is a
case about abortion,

986
00:55:57,294 --> 00:55:58,362
ladies and gentlemen.

987
00:55:59,463 --> 00:56:02,830
And if you stay true to your
oath and you look at the facts,

988
00:56:02,832 --> 00:56:04,200
you will see what I see.

989
00:56:05,102 --> 00:56:07,837
An overly zealous
Catholic investigator

990
00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:11,307
in a police department
dominated by Catholicism

991
00:56:11,309 --> 00:56:15,044
and a targeted, racist,
prosecutorial lynching

992
00:56:15,046 --> 00:56:17,946
of a man who has done nothing
but serve the citizens

993
00:56:17,948 --> 00:56:21,015
of West Philadelphia for
decades in neighborhoods

994
00:56:21,017 --> 00:56:22,952
they wouldn't even set foot in.

995
00:56:23,921 --> 00:56:25,890
Hey man, I think
he convinced me.

996
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:31,926
Really, Cohan?

997
00:56:31,928 --> 00:56:32,993
That's how you're
gonna play this?

998
00:56:32,995 --> 00:56:34,062
We're a bunch of racists?

999
00:56:34,064 --> 00:56:35,631
Woody, get a hold of yourself.

1000
00:56:35,633 --> 00:56:37,165
You gonna bring my
religion into this, really?

1001
00:56:37,167 --> 00:56:38,299
- Woody, back off!
- Is that you

1002
00:56:38,301 --> 00:56:39,368
wanna make this about,

1003
00:56:39,370 --> 00:56:40,502
- you asshole?
- Hey, hey, hey.

1004
00:56:40,504 --> 00:56:41,870
- Do you?
- Stop it!

1005
00:56:41,872 --> 00:56:43,138
Woody, hey, calm
down, all right?

1006
00:56:43,140 --> 00:56:44,406
Hey, keep your mouth
quiet, all right?

1007
00:56:44,408 --> 00:56:45,540
That outburst, it needs to stop.

1008
00:56:45,542 --> 00:56:46,743
That could cost us a mistrial.

1009
00:56:47,678 --> 00:56:48,810
In this interview

1010
00:56:48,812 --> 00:56:50,044
conducted before
he was arrested,

1011
00:56:50,046 --> 00:56:52,615
Dr. Gosnell told
News 11 he believes

1012
00:56:52,617 --> 00:56:54,116
he will be fully vindicated.

1013
00:56:55,385 --> 00:56:57,017
I hadn't been aware
of how hard I'd been

1014
00:56:57,019 --> 00:56:58,687
working until I got
a couple of days off.

1015
00:57:00,591 --> 00:57:03,357
My feeling is that if
you're not making mistakes,

1016
00:57:03,359 --> 00:57:07,164
then you're not really attempting
to do anything of value.

1017
00:57:07,830 --> 00:57:10,098
So I think my patients are aware

1018
00:57:10,100 --> 00:57:12,169
that I'm doing my
very best by them.

1019
00:57:12,970 --> 00:57:16,506
I provide the standard of care

1020
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,178
for them that I would
want for my own daughter.

1021
00:57:22,479 --> 00:57:24,613
Dr. Gosnell's
considered by authorities

1022
00:57:24,615 --> 00:57:26,013
to be a flight risk.

1023
00:57:26,015 --> 00:57:27,649
Currently, he's being
held without bail

1024
00:57:27,651 --> 00:57:29,654
in the Philadelphia County Jail.

1025
00:57:31,089 --> 00:57:32,854
Dr. North, can
you tell the jury

1026
00:57:32,856 --> 00:57:35,089
why you decided
to testify today?

1027
00:57:35,091 --> 00:57:37,392
I didn't want anyone to
think that Dr. Gosnell's clinic

1028
00:57:37,394 --> 00:57:40,261
represents what women's
clinics are really like.

1029
00:57:40,263 --> 00:57:43,031
Do you ever
perform non-emergency

1030
00:57:43,033 --> 00:57:45,466
pregnancy terminations
after 24 weeks?

1031
00:57:45,468 --> 00:57:47,002
No, never.

1032
00:57:47,004 --> 00:57:49,004
Always we stop at 20 weeks.

1033
00:57:49,006 --> 00:57:52,174
Do you reuse instruments
on different patients

1034
00:57:52,176 --> 00:57:53,676
that haven't been sterilized?

1035
00:57:53,678 --> 00:57:54,979
No, never.

1036
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,779
Do you ever allow
untrained personnel

1037
00:57:58,781 --> 00:58:01,716
to say, administer anesthesia?

1038
00:58:01,718 --> 00:58:03,084
No.

1039
00:58:03,086 --> 00:58:05,287
Everyone in our office
is a registered nurse

1040
00:58:05,289 --> 00:58:07,892
and I administer the
anesthesia myself.

1041
00:58:09,459 --> 00:58:14,798
Dr. North, have you ever cut
a baby's spine with scissors?

1042
00:58:15,798 --> 00:58:18,167
No, we would not do that.

1043
00:58:18,169 --> 00:58:19,901
Do you know any
doctor that would?

1044
00:58:19,903 --> 00:58:20,937
No, I do not.

1045
00:58:21,906 --> 00:58:23,441
Thank you, no
further questions.

1046
00:58:27,010 --> 00:58:29,211
Dr. North,
how many abortions

1047
00:58:29,213 --> 00:58:32,046
would you say you've
performed in your career?

1048
00:58:32,048 --> 00:58:34,851
I have performed
over 30,000 abortions.

1049
00:58:35,653 --> 00:58:36,486
Wow.

1050
00:58:37,687 --> 00:58:41,223
In the second trimester, what
method of abortion do you use?

1051
00:58:41,225 --> 00:58:44,158
Mostly D&E, dilation
and evacuation.

1052
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:45,060
Yes.

1053
00:58:45,062 --> 00:58:47,029
Dilation is where you soften

1054
00:58:47,031 --> 00:58:50,131
and widen the woman's
cervix, correct?

1055
00:58:50,133 --> 00:58:51,700
That is correct.

1056
00:58:51,702 --> 00:58:53,401
Once the fetus grows
larger, it's very important

1057
00:58:53,403 --> 00:58:55,837
that we do that to
prevent the cervix

1058
00:58:55,839 --> 00:58:58,207
from tearing as the
fetus is removed.

1059
00:58:58,209 --> 00:59:00,843
And then you
evacuate the fetus.

1060
00:59:00,845 --> 00:59:02,678
You remove it from the womb.

1061
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,279
Yes.

1062
00:59:04,281 --> 00:59:06,548
But first, we have to make sure
that it's not a live birth.

1063
00:59:06,550 --> 00:59:09,951
Oh, of course, of
course, how do you do that?

1064
00:59:09,953 --> 00:59:11,787
Well, we inject
potassium chloride

1065
00:59:11,789 --> 00:59:14,223
into the heart of the fetus.

1066
00:59:14,225 --> 00:59:15,059
Hmm.

1067
00:59:17,995 --> 00:59:20,064
With one of these, correct?

1068
00:59:22,133 --> 00:59:22,966
Yes.

1069
00:59:25,336 --> 00:59:28,535
Your Honor, I'd like to
introduce defense exhibit 1A

1070
00:59:28,537 --> 00:59:29,404
on the screen.

1071
00:59:29,406 --> 00:59:30,138
May I publish?

1072
00:59:30,140 --> 00:59:31,274
You may publish.

1073
00:59:34,278 --> 00:59:39,450
Now, this is a sonogram
of a 23-week-old fetus.

1074
00:59:40,417 --> 00:59:42,283
And so when you
inject the fetus,

1075
00:59:42,285 --> 00:59:44,553
do you put the needle here?

1076
00:59:44,555 --> 00:59:45,423
No.

1077
00:59:47,457 --> 00:59:48,557
Here?

1078
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:49,723
Yes.

1079
00:59:49,725 --> 00:59:50,794
Right there.

1080
00:59:51,727 --> 00:59:53,162
And that stops the heart.

1081
00:59:53,164 --> 00:59:54,232
That's correct.

1082
00:59:56,732 --> 00:59:58,836
And then you use forceps.

1083
01:00:02,071 --> 01:00:04,372
You use these and
you reach up in there

1084
01:00:04,374 --> 01:00:08,377
and you grab ahold
of an arm or a leg

1085
01:00:08,379 --> 01:00:10,278
or whatever and you pull on it

1086
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:14,515
until it comes out or
comes off, correct?

1087
01:00:14,517 --> 01:00:15,850
That's correct.

1088
01:00:15,852 --> 01:00:18,486
But with larger fetuses,
they remain intact.

1089
01:00:18,488 --> 01:00:20,756
Of course, because
the head's bigger.

1090
01:00:20,758 --> 01:00:22,890
Makes it more difficult.

1091
01:00:22,892 --> 01:00:24,493
What do you do then?

1092
01:00:24,495 --> 01:00:27,162
We use a machine to
suction out the gray matter.

1093
01:00:27,164 --> 01:00:29,430
The gray matter, the brains.

1094
01:00:29,432 --> 01:00:32,700
So, you suction out the
brains and then what happens?

1095
01:00:32,702 --> 01:00:36,671
Then the skull collapses
and the fetus can be removed.

1096
01:00:36,673 --> 01:00:37,541
Right.

1097
01:00:41,011 --> 01:00:42,644
Now, isn't it true
that sometimes,

1098
01:00:42,646 --> 01:00:45,513
in order to get the suction
machine into the fetus,

1099
01:00:45,515 --> 01:00:47,214
you have to use a
pair of scissors

1100
01:00:47,216 --> 01:00:49,854
to make a hole in
the back of the neck?

1101
01:00:51,220 --> 01:00:52,988
Sometimes this happens, yes.

1102
01:00:52,990 --> 01:00:55,557
So before, when you said
that you'd never cut the neck

1103
01:00:55,559 --> 01:00:56,926
of a fetus...

1104
01:00:56,928 --> 01:00:58,325
I was referring
to a live birth.

1105
01:00:58,327 --> 01:00:59,227
Oh.

1106
01:00:59,229 --> 01:01:01,231
Oh, okay, yeah, I get it now.

1107
01:01:03,300 --> 01:01:04,667
Have you ever had a live birth

1108
01:01:04,669 --> 01:01:06,267
during an abortion
attempt, doctor?

1109
01:01:06,269 --> 01:01:08,337
No, I have not,
because we listen

1110
01:01:08,339 --> 01:01:11,973
to the sonogram to ensure that
the fetal heart has stopped.

1111
01:01:11,975 --> 01:01:13,408
Well, what if
you made a mistake?

1112
01:01:13,410 --> 01:01:14,209
We don't.

1113
01:01:14,211 --> 01:01:15,642
Well, what if you did?

1114
01:01:15,644 --> 01:01:17,145
Objection,
hypothetical, Your Honor.

1115
01:01:17,147 --> 01:01:18,913
Your Honor, she's
a medical expert.

1116
01:01:18,915 --> 01:01:20,948
I'd like to have her opinion.

1117
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:22,783
Overruled.

1118
01:01:22,785 --> 01:01:24,086
I'm going to allow the question,

1119
01:01:24,088 --> 01:01:26,022
but stay on point, counselor.

1120
01:01:27,490 --> 01:01:29,156
What would you do
if the baby was out

1121
01:01:29,158 --> 01:01:30,528
and it was breathing?

1122
01:01:31,961 --> 01:01:35,796
We would issue comfort care.

1123
01:01:35,798 --> 01:01:37,232
Comfort care.

1124
01:01:37,234 --> 01:01:39,103
Can you define that for us?

1125
01:01:40,236 --> 01:01:43,441
That's keeping the fetus
warm and comfortable.

1126
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:45,609
Eventually, it will pass.

1127
01:01:46,776 --> 01:01:49,079
Eventually, it would pass.

1128
01:01:53,182 --> 01:01:54,484
So basically, you'd,

1129
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:58,356
you'd let it die.

1130
01:02:05,428 --> 01:02:06,962
Seems like it'd be more humane

1131
01:02:06,964 --> 01:02:08,162
to just take a
pair of scissors...

1132
01:02:08,164 --> 01:02:09,765
Objection!

1133
01:02:09,767 --> 01:02:12,336
Withdraw the
question, Your Honor.

1134
01:02:53,176 --> 01:02:54,776
Yashoda, you were there

1135
01:02:54,778 --> 01:02:57,845
on the night your mother,
Karnamaya Mongar died.

1136
01:02:57,847 --> 01:02:59,446
Yes.

1137
01:02:59,448 --> 01:03:01,049
I went with her to clinic
and I walked down hall

1138
01:03:01,051 --> 01:03:02,651
with her to see doctor.

1139
01:03:04,354 --> 01:03:06,321
No, no, no, no!

1140
01:03:06,323 --> 01:03:07,955
Just put
her on the table.

1141
01:03:07,957 --> 01:03:09,457
Doctor, doctor!

1142
01:03:09,459 --> 01:03:11,292
- No, no.
- Just take these.

1143
01:03:11,294 --> 01:03:12,593
- Please, Mama.
- You need to take

1144
01:03:12,595 --> 01:03:13,729
- these right now.
- You're gonna have to

1145
01:03:13,731 --> 01:03:14,796
wait in the other room.

1146
01:03:15,598 --> 01:03:16,531
Call doctor.

1147
01:03:19,269 --> 01:03:21,069
I called doctor 'cause
I didn't think Lydia

1148
01:03:21,071 --> 01:03:22,171
knew what she was doing,

1149
01:03:22,173 --> 01:03:23,504
and Ms. Mongar was putting up

1150
01:03:23,506 --> 01:03:25,339
- such a fuss.
- Oh ladies.

1151
01:03:25,341 --> 01:03:26,876
Well, med her up.

1152
01:03:28,077 --> 01:03:30,611
When he said "med her up,"
did you know what he meant?

1153
01:03:30,613 --> 01:03:31,745
Yeah.

1154
01:03:31,747 --> 01:03:33,647
He liked using Demerol
'cause it was cheap

1155
01:03:33,649 --> 01:03:35,049
and it worked fast.

1156
01:03:35,051 --> 01:03:38,454
Give her some intravenously
until she calms down.

1157
01:03:39,388 --> 01:03:43,727
I'll be there presently.

1158
01:03:53,437 --> 01:03:55,406
I seen doctor come in

1159
01:03:58,508 --> 01:04:00,774
and I knew he was
there for Mama,

1160
01:04:00,776 --> 01:04:03,780
but he stop at the
desk a long time.

1161
01:04:07,151 --> 01:04:09,685
Finally, he went
downstairs and I thought

1162
01:04:09,687 --> 01:04:12,757
I was supposed to
wait, so I did.

1163
01:04:18,260 --> 01:04:20,995
Well,
that ought to do it.

1164
01:04:20,997 --> 01:04:22,732
Let's get her into recovery.

1165
01:04:23,633 --> 01:04:25,133
Doctor, she
don't look so good.

1166
01:04:25,135 --> 01:04:26,504
She's a funny color.

1167
01:04:35,211 --> 01:04:36,245
Oh my.

1168
01:04:37,247 --> 01:04:38,312
Doctor went and
got the crash cart

1169
01:04:38,314 --> 01:04:39,881
from up on the third floor.

1170
01:04:39,883 --> 01:04:42,417
We tried to use the paddles
but they were broke.

1171
01:04:42,419 --> 01:04:44,453
Then he just sort of stopped.

1172
01:04:44,455 --> 01:04:49,160
I'm just thrilled that we
kept this cart up to date.

1173
01:04:51,694 --> 01:04:52,562
Hello?

1174
01:04:53,497 --> 01:04:54,365
Hello?

1175
01:04:56,732 --> 01:04:59,433
I couldn't wait anymore,
so I ran down there,

1176
01:04:59,435 --> 01:05:00,805
make them let me in.

1177
01:05:04,573 --> 01:05:08,042
Lydia, plug in that
oximeter in there.

1178
01:05:08,044 --> 01:05:09,276
That oximeter don't work.

1179
01:05:09,278 --> 01:05:10,481
Plug it in anyway!

1180
01:05:12,314 --> 01:05:15,183
And throw all that
expired medicine away.

1181
01:05:15,185 --> 01:05:16,286
Okay.

1182
01:05:17,187 --> 01:05:19,522
And make sure we clean
up the floor there.

1183
01:05:20,758 --> 01:05:23,560
We only get one chance to
make a first impression.

1184
01:05:31,635 --> 01:05:34,336
And when you got
in, how was your mother?

1185
01:05:34,338 --> 01:05:37,839
She, she, she was out.

1186
01:05:37,841 --> 01:05:39,510
She never woke up again.

1187
01:05:44,247 --> 01:05:46,247
We took her to the hospital,

1188
01:05:46,249 --> 01:05:48,886
but she died the next day.

1189
01:05:51,955 --> 01:05:55,522
To your best recollection,
how long was it

1190
01:05:55,524 --> 01:05:58,459
from the time you saw your
mother was unconscious

1191
01:05:58,461 --> 01:06:00,463
until she was put
in the ambulance?

1192
01:06:01,531 --> 01:06:05,870
I think maybe one,
maybe one and a half hour.

1193
01:06:07,636 --> 01:06:09,506
No more questions, Your Honor.

1194
01:06:17,214 --> 01:06:20,615
Ms. Mongar, I cannot
imagine what a painful time

1195
01:06:20,617 --> 01:06:22,283
that must have been for
you and your family.

1196
01:06:22,285 --> 01:06:25,222
I'm deeply sorry for your loss.

1197
01:06:27,022 --> 01:06:31,459
Can you tell us why your
mother was seeking an abortion?

1198
01:06:31,461 --> 01:06:33,361
We just moved to America.

1199
01:06:33,363 --> 01:06:36,932
We had refugee food
stamps running out

1200
01:06:36,934 --> 01:06:40,370
and my mother saying
no work with baby.

1201
01:06:41,472 --> 01:06:43,807
Did you want your mother
to have an abortion?

1202
01:06:46,176 --> 01:06:47,044
No.

1203
01:06:48,211 --> 01:06:50,377
Did you tell your mother
that you didn't want her

1204
01:06:50,379 --> 01:06:51,582
to have an abortion?

1205
01:06:57,588 --> 01:06:58,689
Yes.

1206
01:07:02,892 --> 01:07:05,325
Did your mother go
to any other clinics

1207
01:07:05,327 --> 01:07:07,397
before she came to Dr. Gosnell?

1208
01:07:10,066 --> 01:07:11,299
Yes.

1209
01:07:11,301 --> 01:07:12,801
And what did they say?

1210
01:07:12,803 --> 01:07:14,738
Why didn't she
have it done there?

1211
01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:19,908
The first say too
late, past 14 weeks,

1212
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:22,410
others say too risky.

1213
01:07:22,412 --> 01:07:23,480
Too risky.

1214
01:07:24,546 --> 01:07:26,249
They said it was too risky?

1215
01:07:27,984 --> 01:07:29,319
Yes.

1216
01:07:33,189 --> 01:07:35,589
Ms. Mongar, do
you recall a letter

1217
01:07:35,591 --> 01:07:37,760
that Dr. Gosnell
wrote your family?

1218
01:07:38,727 --> 01:07:41,932
Yes, my uncle read it to me.

1219
01:07:44,334 --> 01:07:45,969
Do you remember this section?

1220
01:07:47,102 --> 01:07:49,669
One moment I feel confident
that I did everything possible.

1221
01:07:49,671 --> 01:07:52,140
In the next, I'm very down.

1222
01:07:52,142 --> 01:07:53,774
I'm not a wealthy individual.

1223
01:07:53,776 --> 01:07:56,345
My lower fees are a reflection
of what my neighbors

1224
01:07:56,347 --> 01:07:58,446
can afford, but
please let me know

1225
01:07:58,448 --> 01:08:02,786
if there is any way that I
can compensate for your loss.

1226
01:08:05,354 --> 01:08:06,687
Do you remember that?

1227
01:08:06,689 --> 01:08:08,189
Yes.

1228
01:08:08,191 --> 01:08:11,392
Does that sorrowful letter
sound like it was written

1229
01:08:11,394 --> 01:08:12,394
by a murderer?

1230
01:08:12,396 --> 01:08:13,595
Objection.

1231
01:08:13,597 --> 01:08:14,761
Sustained.

1232
01:08:14,763 --> 01:08:16,831
Nothing further, Your Honor.

1233
01:08:24,307 --> 01:08:25,639
You guys are getting
killed in there.

1234
01:08:25,641 --> 01:08:27,075
You're a ray of sunshine.

1235
01:08:27,077 --> 01:08:29,042
Ever interview a girl
named Betty Goodwin?

1236
01:08:29,044 --> 01:08:30,511
I told you, I don't
talk to reporters.

1237
01:08:30,513 --> 01:08:32,412
Have you checked
out her photo blog?

1238
01:08:32,414 --> 01:08:33,484
Her what?

1239
01:08:34,383 --> 01:08:35,716
Betty's a bit of a shutterbug.

1240
01:08:35,718 --> 01:08:37,417
She takes pictures
of everything.

1241
01:08:37,419 --> 01:08:39,353
I guarantee you she'd have
some shots inside the clinic.

1242
01:08:39,355 --> 01:08:41,790
I'll send you the link, maybe
your kid can open it for you.

1243
01:08:41,792 --> 01:08:43,256
Don't you need
my email address?

1244
01:08:43,258 --> 01:08:45,259
No, I have it, Detective.

1245
01:08:59,208 --> 01:09:00,841
Before we resume testimony,

1246
01:09:00,843 --> 01:09:02,676
let's do a little housekeeping.

1247
01:09:02,678 --> 01:09:04,912
Is tomorrow the day when
the jury is scheduled

1248
01:09:04,914 --> 01:09:06,947
to visit the women's
clinic, Mrs. McGuire?

1249
01:09:06,949 --> 01:09:08,950
Your Honor, it has
come to our attention

1250
01:09:08,952 --> 01:09:11,819
that there has been an
incident at the clinic.

1251
01:09:11,821 --> 01:09:14,622
Apparently a pipe burst
and the conditions

1252
01:09:14,624 --> 01:09:17,157
are not safe for
the jury to visit.

1253
01:09:18,695 --> 01:09:21,228
We'll remove that
from the schedule.

1254
01:09:21,230 --> 01:09:25,866
Also, the court has reached a
decision regarding the motion

1255
01:09:25,868 --> 01:09:28,202
by the defense to
dismiss charges regarding

1256
01:09:28,204 --> 01:09:30,805
to Baby B, Baby F, and Baby G

1257
01:09:30,807 --> 01:09:33,274
for insufficient
physical evidence.

1258
01:09:33,276 --> 01:09:35,443
The court grants this motion.

1259
01:09:35,445 --> 01:09:38,446
Jury is instructed to
disregard any evidence

1260
01:09:38,448 --> 01:09:41,050
heretofore presented
regarding those matters.

1261
01:09:41,985 --> 01:09:44,719
Cohan's got the jury
thinking that Gosnell's

1262
01:09:44,721 --> 01:09:47,755
just an ordinary abortion
doctor who cut some corners

1263
01:09:47,757 --> 01:09:50,125
to provide services
to poor black women.

1264
01:09:50,127 --> 01:09:52,995
Now we can't even bring
the jury to that hellhole.

1265
01:09:54,129 --> 01:09:56,831
Well, we're gonna bring
that hellhole to them.

1266
01:09:56,833 --> 01:09:59,033
Your Honor, may it please
the court, the prosecution

1267
01:09:59,035 --> 01:10:01,937
would like permission to
publish previously admitted

1268
01:10:01,939 --> 01:10:04,872
exhibits six, seven,
eight, and nine.

1269
01:10:04,874 --> 01:10:07,875
These are items salvaged
from the Gosnell clinic

1270
01:10:07,877 --> 01:10:10,213
after the damage caused
by the broken pipe.

1271
01:10:11,114 --> 01:10:13,548
Exhibit six is a
gynecological chair

1272
01:10:13,550 --> 01:10:15,849
taken from the second
procedure room.

1273
01:10:15,851 --> 01:10:20,054
Exhibit seven is the waste
disposal unit from the kitchen.

1274
01:10:20,056 --> 01:10:22,793
Exhibit eight is a
broken pulse oximeter.

1275
01:10:23,959 --> 01:10:25,395
Exhibit nine...

1276
01:10:31,168 --> 01:10:32,169
Excuse me.

1277
01:11:01,797 --> 01:11:03,499
You're welcome.

1278
01:11:23,253 --> 01:11:24,318
Can I
quote you on that?

1279
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:25,189
Yes.

1280
01:11:26,655 --> 01:11:28,421
What happened?

1281
01:11:28,423 --> 01:11:30,461
We made the papers.

1282
01:11:35,265 --> 01:11:36,499
All rise.

1283
01:11:43,472 --> 01:11:44,540
Be seated.

1284
01:11:48,144 --> 01:11:50,812
The jury will notice there is
an increased media presence

1285
01:11:50,814 --> 01:11:51,981
in the room today.

1286
01:11:52,915 --> 01:11:54,616
They are instructed
not to let that affect

1287
01:11:54,618 --> 01:11:56,687
their sense of the
case before them.

1288
01:11:59,555 --> 01:12:01,455
When a white woman would come,

1289
01:12:01,457 --> 01:12:03,858
she would get the room upstairs.

1290
01:12:03,860 --> 01:12:06,527
It was cleaner and more private.

1291
01:12:06,529 --> 01:12:08,996
Did you ever have a
conversation with Dr. Gosnell

1292
01:12:08,998 --> 01:12:12,300
about why his white patients
had a separate room?

1293
01:12:12,302 --> 01:12:14,868
He said that's just
the way of the world.

1294
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:16,136
Who's a racist now?

1295
01:12:16,138 --> 01:12:19,640
Did you ever see
or hear a baby cry?

1296
01:12:19,642 --> 01:12:21,242
Yes.

1297
01:12:21,244 --> 01:12:23,580
This one time, me and
Betty was in the hallway.

1298
01:12:38,561 --> 01:12:40,027
Did you
tell the doctor?

1299
01:12:40,029 --> 01:12:41,763
He said not to worry about it.

1300
01:12:41,765 --> 01:12:43,563
That it happened all the time.

1301
01:12:43,565 --> 01:12:46,533
But about half the time, with
all the Cytotec we was giving,

1302
01:12:46,535 --> 01:12:49,437
the women would deliver before
the doctor could arrive.

1303
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:52,340
You told us earlier
about the baby that you saw

1304
01:12:52,342 --> 01:12:53,942
swimming in the toilet.

1305
01:12:53,944 --> 01:12:56,743
Were there any other
babies that you can recall

1306
01:12:56,745 --> 01:12:58,679
that were moving or breathing?

1307
01:12:58,681 --> 01:13:00,615
Lydia had called
me over and told me,

1308
01:13:00,617 --> 01:13:02,050
"Come look at this one baby."

1309
01:13:02,052 --> 01:13:04,786
And I seen the baby's
chest going up and down.

1310
01:13:04,788 --> 01:13:06,920
Was anything else
on that baby moving?

1311
01:13:06,922 --> 01:13:08,923
Lydia had pulled the baby hand

1312
01:13:08,925 --> 01:13:10,894
and the baby pulled
his hand back.

1313
01:13:13,296 --> 01:13:14,664
No further questions.

1314
01:13:21,937 --> 01:13:23,306
Miss Strawberry.

1315
01:13:24,440 --> 01:13:26,907
So, you were there for the baby

1316
01:13:26,909 --> 01:13:28,710
that was swimming in the toilet.

1317
01:13:28,712 --> 01:13:30,277
Yes.

1318
01:13:30,279 --> 01:13:31,578
You were there the
night you heard the whine

1319
01:13:31,580 --> 01:13:33,413
you thought was a baby's cry.

1320
01:13:33,415 --> 01:13:34,782
Yes.

1321
01:13:34,784 --> 01:13:35,750
And you were there
when the baby breathed

1322
01:13:35,752 --> 01:13:37,218
and moved its arm?

1323
01:13:37,220 --> 01:13:38,352
Yes, I was.

1324
01:13:38,354 --> 01:13:40,487
Did you ever see the
movie Forrest Gump?

1325
01:13:40,489 --> 01:13:41,621
Objection.

1326
01:13:41,623 --> 01:13:42,693
I'll allow it.

1327
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:45,425
Yeah, I saw it.

1328
01:13:45,427 --> 01:13:47,795
You remember how he was
at the JFK assassination,

1329
01:13:47,797 --> 01:13:50,098
he was at the I
Have a Dream speech.

1330
01:13:50,100 --> 01:13:54,367
Almost every event in American
history, he was there, right?

1331
01:13:54,369 --> 01:13:55,902
I don't know.

1332
01:13:55,904 --> 01:13:57,272
You're just like
Forrest Gump, aren't you?

1333
01:13:57,274 --> 01:13:58,406
You're just everywhere.

1334
01:13:58,408 --> 01:13:59,540
Objection, Your Honor,

1335
01:13:59,542 --> 01:14:00,642
this is ridiculous.

1336
01:14:00,644 --> 01:14:02,242
Sustained.

1337
01:14:02,244 --> 01:14:04,978
Over time, didn't your
personal relationship

1338
01:14:04,980 --> 01:14:06,880
with Dr. Gosnell
begin to deteriorate?

1339
01:14:06,882 --> 01:14:08,349
It was never personal.

1340
01:14:08,351 --> 01:14:11,118
Did you say in your
grand jury testimony,

1341
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,920
"He started hollering at
me like he was my dad.

1342
01:14:13,922 --> 01:14:15,290
"I didn't like it."

1343
01:14:15,292 --> 01:14:16,189
Did you say that?

1344
01:14:16,191 --> 01:14:17,291
Yes.

1345
01:14:17,293 --> 01:14:18,792
Then why did you
continue to work there?

1346
01:14:18,794 --> 01:14:20,428
Because I had a
family to take care of.

1347
01:14:20,430 --> 01:14:23,063
Or because Dr. Gosnell
was paying you good money,

1348
01:14:23,065 --> 01:14:24,831
or maybe because you
had a little something

1349
01:14:24,833 --> 01:14:25,832
going on the side.

1350
01:14:27,537 --> 01:14:30,004
A lot of the employees at
that clinic have been arrested

1351
01:14:30,006 --> 01:14:32,340
on drug trafficking
charges, why haven't you?

1352
01:14:32,342 --> 01:14:33,541
Objection!

1353
01:14:33,543 --> 01:14:34,908
Isn't it true that you
made a deal with the DA

1354
01:14:34,910 --> 01:14:36,143
to avoid prosecution?

1355
01:14:36,145 --> 01:14:37,745
Objection!

1356
01:14:37,747 --> 01:14:39,380
Given your personal
animosity for Dr. Gosnell,

1357
01:14:39,382 --> 01:14:40,948
why should we believe
anything you have to say

1358
01:14:40,950 --> 01:14:42,215
- in this courtroom today?
- Your Honor, please!

1359
01:14:42,886 --> 01:14:43,787
Mr. Cohan!

1360
01:14:44,854 --> 01:14:47,554
Mr. Cohan, I warn you, further
outbursts of that nature

1361
01:14:47,556 --> 01:14:50,357
will result in a formal
admonition by the court.

1362
01:14:50,359 --> 01:14:53,627
You do not have the right to
continue to shout questions

1363
01:14:53,629 --> 01:14:55,662
before I have ruled
on an objection.

1364
01:15:00,703 --> 01:15:02,305
Nothing further, Your Honor.

1365
01:15:11,346 --> 01:15:12,679
And, I know you think
she gonna talk to me

1366
01:15:12,681 --> 01:15:14,349
just 'cause I'm black.

1367
01:15:14,351 --> 01:15:15,916
I'm still police though.

1368
01:15:15,918 --> 01:15:17,685
I think she's gonna talk to
you because you're Mr. Smooth,

1369
01:15:17,687 --> 01:15:19,252
Mr. Handsome, you
got that deep voice.

1370
01:15:19,254 --> 01:15:20,787
Yeah, man, I'm sure that
gets you excited and everything

1371
01:15:20,789 --> 01:15:23,023
but I don't know if
it's gonna work on her.

1372
01:15:23,025 --> 01:15:24,961
Hey, hey, Betty,
how you doing?

1373
01:15:25,895 --> 01:15:27,261
My mom said I'm not
supposed to talk to you.

1374
01:15:27,263 --> 01:15:28,795
You trying to put
us all in jail.

1375
01:15:28,797 --> 01:15:30,464
No, no, Betty, we're
not even after you.

1376
01:15:30,466 --> 01:15:32,032
The thing is that you're
gonna testify tomorrow...

1377
01:15:32,034 --> 01:15:33,434
There's a thing called
obstruction of justice

1378
01:15:33,436 --> 01:15:34,868
so if there's
information you have...

1379
01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:36,002
Would you shut up
for five seconds?

1380
01:15:36,004 --> 01:15:37,239
Look, I told you everything.

1381
01:15:38,540 --> 01:15:39,540
I can't talk to you.

1382
01:15:44,580 --> 01:15:46,147
That went well.

1383
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:48,349
I thought you wanted the
black guy to do all the talking.

1384
01:16:27,189 --> 01:16:30,127
This is the baby I saw moving.

1385
01:17:07,396 --> 01:17:08,929
Lex, I need to talk to you.

1386
01:17:08,931 --> 01:17:09,897
Are you kidding me?

1387
01:17:09,899 --> 01:17:10,965
I'm sorry.

1388
01:17:10,967 --> 01:17:11,831
Our daughter is playing.

1389
01:17:11,833 --> 01:17:13,500
I'm really sorry.

1390
01:17:13,502 --> 01:17:14,167
Just one second.

1391
01:17:14,169 --> 01:17:16,006
I'll be right back.

1392
01:17:17,839 --> 01:17:19,575
I'm sorry.

1393
01:17:22,378 --> 01:17:24,377
Woody, my daughter is next.

1394
01:17:24,379 --> 01:17:25,144
Got it.

1395
01:17:25,146 --> 01:17:26,283
You need to see this.

1396
01:17:31,020 --> 01:17:33,187
Betty took that picture
inside the clinic.

1397
01:17:33,189 --> 01:17:34,721
Baby Boy A was alive.

1398
01:17:46,802 --> 01:17:47,868
This is what we wanted.

1399
01:18:02,150 --> 01:18:04,018
Everything all right?

1400
01:18:23,772 --> 01:18:26,107
Ms. Goodwin, how
many times did you see babies

1401
01:18:26,109 --> 01:18:29,643
that were breathing,
crying, chest moving,

1402
01:18:29,645 --> 01:18:31,312
anything like that?

1403
01:18:31,314 --> 01:18:33,581
How many times would you
say you personally saw that?

1404
01:18:33,583 --> 01:18:35,515
More than 10 times.

1405
01:18:35,517 --> 01:18:38,853
And what, if anything,
did Dr. Gosnell

1406
01:18:38,855 --> 01:18:40,621
do to those babies?

1407
01:18:40,623 --> 01:18:44,060
He would take scissors
and snip the neck.

1408
01:18:45,461 --> 01:18:49,863
Do you remember a specific
baby that he did this to?

1409
01:18:49,865 --> 01:18:51,130
Yes.

1410
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,637
For the record,
this is Baby Boy A.

1411
01:18:57,673 --> 01:19:00,840
And were you there on
the night that Baby Boy A

1412
01:19:00,842 --> 01:19:02,609
was born alive?

1413
01:19:02,611 --> 01:19:03,876
Yeah.

1414
01:19:03,878 --> 01:19:04,980
Me and Allison.

1415
01:19:21,064 --> 01:19:22,365
Well, well.

1416
01:19:23,499 --> 01:19:27,270
This baby is big enough to
walk me to the bus stop.

1417
01:19:41,450 --> 01:19:44,585
He put the baby in a tray.

1418
01:19:44,587 --> 01:19:48,656
But when the baby was in
the tray, the baby moved.

1419
01:19:48,658 --> 01:19:50,694
It kind of curled up.

1420
01:19:52,762 --> 01:19:55,362
After Dr. Gosnell put the
baby in the surgical tray,

1421
01:19:55,364 --> 01:19:57,130
what did he do next?

1422
01:19:57,132 --> 01:20:01,170
He put the tray back on the
shelf with the other ones.

1423
01:20:01,937 --> 01:20:03,203
The other ones?

1424
01:20:03,205 --> 01:20:05,005
There were other
babies on the shelf?

1425
01:20:05,007 --> 01:20:06,075
Yes, ma'am.

1426
01:20:14,216 --> 01:20:15,452
Counselor?

1427
01:20:21,923 --> 01:20:23,925
Betty, you like to
take pictures, don't you?

1428
01:20:23,927 --> 01:20:25,158
Yes, ma'am.

1429
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:26,794
You take a lot
of pictures, right?

1430
01:20:26,796 --> 01:20:28,261
Pictures of your meals,
pictures of things you see

1431
01:20:28,263 --> 01:20:30,096
on the street, pictures
of your friends?

1432
01:20:30,098 --> 01:20:31,832
Yes.

1433
01:20:31,834 --> 01:20:34,337
Did you ever take a picture
inside Dr. Gosnell's clinic?

1434
01:20:35,037 --> 01:20:36,804
Yes.

1435
01:20:36,806 --> 01:20:38,639
On that particular night, do
you remember taking a picture

1436
01:20:38,641 --> 01:20:41,207
of Baby Boy A, the baby
you saw Dr. Gosnell

1437
01:20:41,209 --> 01:20:42,242
put up on that shelf?

1438
01:20:42,244 --> 01:20:43,678
Objection.

1439
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:44,547
Overruled.

1440
01:20:45,981 --> 01:20:47,948
The witness may answer.

1441
01:20:47,950 --> 01:20:49,383
Yes, ma'am.

1442
01:20:49,385 --> 01:20:51,117
Your Honor, in light
of this new evidence,

1443
01:20:51,119 --> 01:20:52,987
we would like to be
granted the opportunity

1444
01:20:52,989 --> 01:20:53,920
to publish this photograph...

1445
01:20:53,922 --> 01:20:55,255
Objection, Your Honor,

1446
01:20:55,257 --> 01:20:56,490
- this is outrageous!
- People's exhibit C...

1447
01:20:56,492 --> 01:20:58,126
This was not presented
in discovery!

1448
01:20:58,128 --> 01:20:59,594
Exhibit C-5.

1449
01:20:59,596 --> 01:21:01,295
Order, this come
will come to order!

1450
01:21:01,297 --> 01:21:02,862
I declare a short recess.

1451
01:21:02,864 --> 01:21:05,866
I wanna see both counsels
in my chambers now!

1452
01:21:27,856 --> 01:21:29,121
Your Honor,
may the Commonwealth

1453
01:21:29,123 --> 01:21:31,023
publish the exhibit to the jury?

1454
01:21:31,025 --> 01:21:32,461
You may publish.

1455
01:21:33,361 --> 01:21:34,694
Ladies and
gentlemen of the jury,

1456
01:21:34,696 --> 01:21:36,596
this is the photograph
that Betty Goodwin

1457
01:21:36,598 --> 01:21:40,503
took of Baby Boy A on
the night of July 12th.

1458
01:23:27,508 --> 01:23:29,878
Betty, is this the
photograph that you took?

1459
01:23:33,082 --> 01:23:34,380
Yes.

1460
01:23:34,382 --> 01:23:36,452
I just have one
last question for you.

1461
01:23:37,986 --> 01:23:40,554
Why did you decide
to take a photograph

1462
01:23:40,556 --> 01:23:42,492
of this particular baby?

1463
01:23:43,391 --> 01:23:44,925
He was so big.

1464
01:23:46,928 --> 01:23:49,932
He looked like he could have
been somebody's little brother.

1465
01:23:51,668 --> 01:23:54,571
I just thought that there
should be a picture of him,

1466
01:23:56,372 --> 01:23:58,874
to show that he was
here for a little while.

1467
01:24:02,110 --> 01:24:03,810
The Commonwealth
wants you to look

1468
01:24:03,812 --> 01:24:05,979
at a hole in a dirty chair

1469
01:24:05,981 --> 01:24:09,250
and say that means that
that man is a monster.

1470
01:24:09,252 --> 01:24:10,550
It wants you to believe
somebody who says,

1471
01:24:10,552 --> 01:24:12,853
"Oh, I think that
baby moved its arm,"

1472
01:24:12,855 --> 01:24:15,456
and that means that
that man is a killer.

1473
01:24:15,458 --> 01:24:17,860
It's laughable,
ladies and gentlemen.

1474
01:24:19,093 --> 01:24:21,761
You are not here to
decide whether or not

1475
01:24:21,763 --> 01:24:25,031
Dr. Gosnell ran the cleanest
clinic in Pennsylvania.

1476
01:24:25,033 --> 01:24:26,332
He did not.

1477
01:24:26,334 --> 01:24:27,768
We are not here to
determine whether or not

1478
01:24:27,770 --> 01:24:30,103
abortion is a horrible,
terrible thing

1479
01:24:30,105 --> 01:24:31,741
to have to look at, it is.

1480
01:24:32,574 --> 01:24:34,340
We are here to
determine whether or not

1481
01:24:34,342 --> 01:24:36,710
the Commonwealth of
Pennsylvania has proved

1482
01:24:36,712 --> 01:24:39,412
that this fine man, who
has served his community

1483
01:24:39,414 --> 01:24:42,351
for 30 years,
providing services...

1484
01:25:15,851 --> 01:25:21,056
Ladies and gentlemen, Kermit
Gosnell snipped the spine

1485
01:25:21,556 --> 01:25:22,658
of this baby

1486
01:25:24,260 --> 01:25:26,425
and hundreds, maybe
even thousands

1487
01:25:26,427 --> 01:25:28,897
of other babies just like him,

1488
01:25:29,832 --> 01:25:32,769
born alive and then killed.

1489
01:25:34,770 --> 01:25:36,939
Yes, he did some
legal abortions.

1490
01:25:37,672 --> 01:25:39,907
Yes, his clinic was filthy.

1491
01:25:39,909 --> 01:25:43,513
Yes, he had separate rooms for
white women and black women.

1492
01:25:45,580 --> 01:25:47,516
But, this case is
not about that.

1493
01:25:48,450 --> 01:25:51,084
This case is about
Karnamaya Mongar.

1494
01:25:51,086 --> 01:25:56,324
This case is about that baby
and countless other babies

1495
01:25:57,426 --> 01:26:00,029
that Dr. Gosnell murdered
after they were born.

1496
01:26:04,098 --> 01:26:06,535
This baby would be
four years old today.

1497
01:26:36,531 --> 01:26:37,699
Okay, thanks.

1498
01:26:47,409 --> 01:26:50,445
Will the defendant and
the attorneys please rise?

1499
01:26:52,413 --> 01:26:55,749
Mr. Foreman, have the
jurors reached a verdict?

1500
01:26:55,751 --> 01:26:57,587
Yes, Your Honor, we have.

1501
01:26:58,854 --> 01:27:00,519
To the charge of
criminal homicide

1502
01:27:00,521 --> 01:27:03,057
in the death of
Baby E, how say you?

1503
01:27:03,059 --> 01:27:04,092
Not guilty.

1504
01:27:04,994 --> 01:27:06,760
What?

1505
01:27:06,762 --> 01:27:07,827
On the charge of murder
in the third degree,

1506
01:27:07,829 --> 01:27:09,599
victim Mongar, how say you?

1507
01:27:10,399 --> 01:27:11,700
Not guilty.

1508
01:27:14,869 --> 01:27:16,469
To the charge of
first degree murder,

1509
01:27:16,471 --> 01:27:18,574
Baby A, how say you?

1510
01:27:20,508 --> 01:27:21,876
Guilty.

1511
01:27:24,879 --> 01:27:28,618
To the charge of first degree
murder, Baby C, how say you?

1512
01:27:29,251 --> 01:27:30,153
Guilty.

1513
01:27:32,454 --> 01:27:36,523
To the charge of first degree
murder, Baby D, how say you?

1514
01:27:36,525 --> 01:27:37,724
Guilty.

1515
01:27:40,628 --> 01:27:42,062
Order!

1516
01:27:44,266 --> 01:27:45,902
Order in the court.

1517
01:27:47,269 --> 01:27:48,137
Order!

1518
01:28:08,524 --> 01:28:11,191
But this was
not a case about abortion.

1519
01:28:11,193 --> 01:28:13,260
In the end, this was
not a case about abortion,

1520
01:28:13,262 --> 01:28:14,894
this was a case about a doctor...

1521
01:28:14,896 --> 01:28:16,296
What did I tell you?

1522
01:28:16,298 --> 01:28:18,633
This is not a case
about abortion.

1523
01:28:19,534 --> 01:28:21,503
Now I'm gonna do you a solid.

1524
01:28:22,904 --> 01:28:25,005
Anyone from the media
that would like to speak

1525
01:28:25,007 --> 01:28:27,643
to the DA's office,
please gather round.

1526
01:28:29,645 --> 01:28:32,178
The Commonwealth would
like to thank the jury

1527
01:28:32,180 --> 01:28:33,313
for their hard work.

1528
01:28:33,315 --> 01:28:34,247
Mollie.

1529
01:28:34,249 --> 01:28:35,447
Congratulations.

1530
01:28:35,449 --> 01:28:36,817
Oh, I hate to admit this,

1531
01:28:36,819 --> 01:28:39,252
but we could not have
done this without you.

1532
01:28:39,254 --> 01:28:40,122
It's true.

1533
01:28:41,323 --> 01:28:42,755
Why did you help?

1534
01:28:42,757 --> 01:28:44,624
I didn't help, I'm a reporter.

1535
01:28:44,626 --> 01:28:46,359
I'm just interested
in the truth.

1536
01:28:46,361 --> 01:28:48,327
If the truth doesn't
match what I believe,

1537
01:28:48,329 --> 01:28:50,063
I don't change the truth.

1538
01:28:50,065 --> 01:28:50,967
See you around.

1539
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,102
Well, fellas, I
have five kids to feed.

1540
01:28:55,104 --> 01:28:56,071
See you tomorrow.

1541
01:28:59,641 --> 01:29:01,140
There we go.

1542
01:29:01,142 --> 01:29:02,843
You ready to ride
off into the sunset?

1543
01:29:02,845 --> 01:29:04,814
Yeah, right.

1544
01:29:11,486 --> 01:29:12,654
Excuse me!

1545
01:29:13,855 --> 01:29:15,321
Ms. McGuire.

1546
01:29:15,323 --> 01:29:16,258
You remember me?

1547
01:29:17,159 --> 01:29:20,059
Of course, Ms. Brown,
from the grand jury.

1548
01:29:20,061 --> 01:29:22,562
I have somebody
I'd like you to meet.

1549
01:29:22,564 --> 01:29:23,798
This is Gracie.

1550
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My baby started
kindergarten today.

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Hi, Gracie!

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Hi.

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I'm Lexi!

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It's so nice to meet you.

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