23:38 Shiirn: what kind of problems if u dont mind me asking
23:38 Hobbes2: well the hard conceptually is great
23:38 Hobbes2: just, its a huge step up from the advanced
23:38 Hobbes2: I actually think the advanced needs a buff
23:39 Hobbes2: also it needs to not go in one direction the entire time lol
23:39 Shiirn: see my thing is that there's always the damn
23:39 Shiirn: jump you get from going
23:39 Shiirn: distance snap to not distance snap
23:39 Shiirn: that i fucking hate working around
23:39 Hobbes2: true, but its not just spacing
23:39 Hobbes2: design wise, pattern wise
23:39 Hobbes2: the hard is harder than your average hard
23:39 Shiirn: well yeah i get that
23:39 Shiirn: but i feel like there's no point to difficulties that just transition in small manners within the same mapset
23:40 Hobbes2: you could argue that it's fine but it's really stretching it
23:40 Hobbes2: tbf ive seen worse get ranked so
23:40 Hobbes2: idk
23:40 Shiirn: because very few types of music really fit a progression in density and structure
23:40 Shiirn: much less....
23:40 Shiirn: sakuraburst
23:40 Shiirn: where it's very hard to reliably keep a density/structure/style progression
23:40 Hobbes2: regardless the advanced will need to be changed regarding the one direction thing
23:40 Hobbes2: even if the spread is untouched
23:40 Hobbes2: that's like an actual issue
23:40 Shiirn: yeah idk why mikasa always fucking does that
23:40 Shiirn: forest too
23:40 Hobbes2: the bottom diff is solid
23:40 Shiirn: i had to like flip half the chorus here and there
23:41 Hobbes2: mir's diff is a huge abuse of slider leniency
23:41 Hobbes2: it works in some parts and doesnt work in others
23:41 Hobbes2: ill probably talk to him about it
23:41 Shiirn: mir is a lot more liberal with his choices in which sliders to make vroom
23:41 Shiirn: than i am
23:41 Hobbes2: yeah i noticed lol
23:41 Hobbes2: your diff is cool
23:41 Hobbes2: the first fast slider through me off but after that its rather readable
23:41 Hobbes2: and that's at the start anyway so you can just restart whatever
23:42 Shiirn: right that's the thought
23:42 Hobbes2: 01:17:200 (1,2,1,2) - these are lke barely rankable lol
23:42 Hobbes2: but barely is enough
23:42 Shiirn: the first one is the most jerking one to give the player a chance to go "oh."
23:42 Shiirn: i know they are
23:42 Shiirn: lol
23:42 Shiirn: that's why i did them
23:42 Shiirn: if they didn't work like that i'd have done something else
23:42 Hobbes2: 01:27:600 (1) - actually think it would be cool if you stuck to non-standard shapes for these fast sliders, but thats subjective so whatever
23:43 Hobbes2: i think its nice to see this really long shape with weird curves / angles and say "ok goin fast" as oppose dto just like "oh its a circle", you'd still know you're going fast of course
23:43 Hobbes2: it just looses some of that effect imo
23:43 Hobbes2: but yeah like i said super subjective
23:43 Shiirn: the reason i did that pattern in my diff is to further smash into player's head the polarity between movements
23:44 Shiirn: like the gentle back and forths then VROOM another fuckin part of the screen
23:44 Shiirn: also what did u say before "i think its nice"
23:44 Shiirn: i think i closed window on u
23:44 Hobbes2: makes sense, but you could make the curve a bit wonkier so its not just a circle or smth. im speaking visuals as opposed to actual gameplay
23:44 Hobbes2: uhh
23:45 Hobbes2: "actually think it would be cool if you stuck to non-standard shapes for these fast sliders, but thats subjective so whatever"
23:45 Shiirn: well part of it is that the slider shapes become less of a "tell" between them later
23:45 Shiirn: because later on there's wubs and wobs and slowdowns as well
23:45 Hobbes2: yoh wow you're right
23:45 Shiirn: so it comes down to the repetition of the beat
23:45 Hobbes2: actually yeah thats really cool keep it
23:46 Hobbes2: 01:32:800 (1) - why does this end on the blue tick andn ot the red one
23:46 Hobbes2: the wub changes..pitch? on the red tick
23:47 Hobbes2: while the blue tick is kinda like...arbitrarily where the sound ends
23:47 Shiirn: ok so
23:47 Shiirn: here's something i tend to do that i always need to fucking explain
23:47 Shiirn: because it sounds so weird to say out loud
23:47 Hobbes2: lol
23:47 Shiirn: but it's also the same reason 02:20:200 (2) - is early
23:47 Shiirn: but when i have a slider that ends early
23:48 Shiirn: it's almost always so that the sliderend's hitsound somewhat lines up with the ending of the sound i'm trying to follow
23:48 Shiirn: especially if there's no notes directly after it
23:48 Shiirn: especially in a void, it makes more sense to me to have the sliderend hitsound fade at the same time the sound does
23:48 Hobbes2: hmm
23:48 Hobbes2: i'll buy that
23:48 Hobbes2: i disagree but its not a huge deal
23:49 Hobbes2: doesnt it make sense to silence the tail?
23:49 Hobbes2: consider it's not actually landing on a particular sound
23:49 Hobbes2: its more like..well the wub sorta ends here
23:49 Shiirn: silenced tails are not silenced
23:50 Shiirn: the thing is, to me
23:50 Shiirn: if you listen to 01:29:600 (1) - these noises
23:50 Shiirn: they start fading around the blue tick
23:50 Shiirn: and fade out entirely on white
23:50 Hobbes2: its hard to tell where they end
23:50 Hobbes2: so when you put a noticeable hitsound on the tail, it sounds weird
23:50 Hobbes2: when you cant really even tell
23:50 Shiirn: so having a hit object ON white, makes it EXTEND past white.... both audibly and viscerally
23:51 Hobbes2: alrigh that makes a bit of sense
23:51 Hobbes2: i still disagree but i like i said this is such a small issue that i don't care if you change it or not
23:52 Shiirn: well it's also something that crops up an unusual amount of time so i always have to explain it
23:52 Shiirn: lol
23:52 Shiirn: ive done this in many of my other maps
23:52 Shiirn: and do it in enigma helix except extending PAST white ticks
23:52 Shiirn: :thonkin:
23:52 Hobbes2: 01:43:200 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this bothers me a bit
23:52 Hobbes2: in that
23:52 Hobbes2: here its circles but for no apparent reason the next one uses kick sliders
23:52 Shiirn: it's not even or clean?
23:52 Shiirn: :P
23:52 Hobbes2: or well maybe there is a reason but i cant tell
23:53 Hobbes2: naw its alright
23:53 Shiirn: 01:45:800 - there are twoppy noises on these
23:53 Hobbes2: 01:46:600 (6) - this should bea circle then
23:53 Shiirn: noise is actually there though
23:54 Hobbes2: damn thats feint
23:54 Hobbes2: well ok makes sense
23:54 Shiirn: it's quiet as fuck but it's there and keeping it helps with the consistency of the section
23:54 Shiirn: structurally
23:54 Hobbes2: 01:49:800 (6) - well
23:54 Hobbes2: i hear it just about as i did for the other one here
23:54 Hobbes2: lol
23:54 Shiirn: true lol
23:55 Shiirn: fucking inconsistencies
23:55 Hobbes2: 01:49:600 (5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - on sight read i didnt catch this at all
23:55 Hobbes2: but im trash so
23:55 Hobbes2: xd
23:55 Shiirn: you're gonna point out 02:10:000 (1,2) - vs01:57:200 (1,2) -  and 02:03:600 (2,3) -  next
23:56 Shiirn: :(
23:56 Hobbes2: were those intentional?
23:56 Hobbes2: also those seem fine to me
23:56 Hobbes2: based on the sounds
23:56 Shiirn: well
23:56 Shiirn: more the first two
23:56 Shiirn: are identical sounds
23:56 Shiirn: different objects
23:57 Hobbes2: huh, so they are
23:57 Hobbes2: i got placebo'd
23:57 Shiirn: 02:08:800 (1,2) - and 01:56:000 (1,2) - are seperate too
23:57 Shiirn: well structurally they're different sounds and noises
23:57 Shiirn: but same point
23:57 Shiirn: lol
23:57 Hobbes2: yeah
23:57 Hobbes2: i think this is up to you, what do you think?
23:57 Shiirn: i mean
23:57 Shiirn: i put them there for a reason
23:58 Shiirn: i'm not 100% clear on the reason myself but it feels right
23:58 Hobbes2: lol, yeah i figured youd say something like that since im not seeing a clear reason for it myself
23:58 Hobbes2: eh.. its fine
23:58 Hobbes2: im not super anal on consistency but i do value it
23:58 Shiirn: honestly a track like this shouldnt be 100% consistent anyway
23:58 Shiirn: xd
23:58 Shiirn: thematics, the ultimate "i dont wanna fix 'mistakes' excuse"
23:58 Shiirn: "muh art"
23:58 Hobbes2: lmao
23:59 Shiirn: the #1 thing irre hates me for
23:59 Shiirn: everything must be CONSISTENT
23:59 Shiirn: which is why felys gave him aneurysms
23:59 Hobbes2: oh yeah
23:59 Hobbes2: uhh
23:59 Hobbes2: 01:28:800 (1,2,1,2) -
23:59 Hobbes2: i dont like this
23:59 Shiirn: and literally made him quit QAT
23:59 Shiirn: whats wrong with it
23:59 Hobbes2: for one idk what that big hitsound on 01:29:000 (1) - is doing and i dont think that 01:29:000 (1) - is even notable enough to warrant this kind of pattern
00:00 Hobbes2: a pattern like this implies that 01:29:000 (1) - would be a strong sound
00:00 Hobbes2: and its not really
00:00 Hobbes2: feels like its mapped to the hitsound and not the music lol
00:00 Shiirn: oh
00:00 Shiirn: that's me making shit up
00:00 *Shiirn blunt
00:00 Hobbes2: lmao
00:01 Hobbes2: 01:48:400 (1) - quality mustache slider
00:01 Shiirn: but for a more relevant explanation
00:01 Shiirn: i just felt like
00:01 Shiirn: all the other pitch sounds in that section were paired up
00:01 Shiirn: a setup of 4 notes felt out of place
00:01 Shiirn: 01:28:300 (2,3,4) - pair,01:29:200 (1,1) - pair
00:02 Hobbes2: well musically the others are paired
00:02 Hobbes2: and 01:28:800 (1,2,1,2) - is not
00:02 Hobbes2: so that contrats would stil fit
00:02 Hobbes2: pretend i can spell
00:02 Shiirn: you're right
00:02 Hobbes2: what you said does make sense to me
00:03 Hobbes2: so i'd be willing to accept it if you dont want to change it
00:03 Shiirn: lol
00:03 Hobbes2: but id prefer if you did lul
00:03 Shiirn: idk what i'd do with them
00:04 Hobbes2: im personally not a fan of additive hitsounds being used like this
00:04 Shiirn: other than just 4 stack into the slider
00:04 Hobbes2: that actually wouldnt be a bad idea i think
00:04 Hobbes2: 4 stack i mean
00:04 Shiirn: i'll just 4stack it and be a boring betty
00:04 Shiirn: http://puu.sh/wxPT1/0bb7151c40.png
00:04 Hobbes2: hot
00:04 Hobbes2: be sure to remove the hitsound since
00:05 Hobbes2: its not really needed :eyes:
00:05 Shiirn: did
00:05 Hobbes2: swell
00:05 Hobbes2: 01:48:400 (1) - nice mustache slider
00:05 Shiirn: tfw a modder said "fix this blanket"
00:05 Hobbes2: LOL
00:05 Shiirn: and i moved the big circle slider so it was obviously not intended to blanket
00:05 Shiirn: :thonkin:
00:05 Hobbes2: lmao
00:05 Hobbes2: the red node on that slider
00:05 Hobbes2: is actually ugly af
00:05 Hobbes2: but who cares lul
00:06 Hobbes2: the first one i mean
00:06 Shiirn: whats wrong w- what
00:06 Shiirn: which
00:06 Hobbes2: http://puu.sh/wxPWw/8db5abb3d6.jpg
00:06 Hobbes2: puke
00:06 Shiirn: honey
00:06 Shiirn: i'm sorry to tell u
00:06 Shiirn: u did that
00:06 Shiirn: that's not part of the map
00:06 Shiirn: http://puu.sh/wxPXT/8b2847ef09.png
00:06 Hobbes2: wtf
00:07 Hobbes2: k im deleting htis form the log before i post it on the forum
00:07 Shiirn: but i'll know.
00:07 Shiirn: i'll know forever.
00:07 Hobbes2: ;-;
00:08 Hobbes2: 01:54:400 (1) -
00:08 Hobbes2: im like
00:08 Hobbes2: idk
00:08 Hobbes2: this is unrankable
00:08 Hobbes2: just make it more v shaped
00:08 Hobbes2: just a little
00:09 Shiirn: its
00:09 Shiirn: fine
00:09 Shiirn: its not burai
00:09 Hobbes2: its like borderline
00:09 Hobbes2: hmmm
00:10 Hobbes2: hard to chang eit without making it ugly af
00:10 Hobbes2: yeah w/e its fine
00:10 Hobbes2: 02:07:200 (5,1,4,1) - pixel perfect or no bubblerino :^)
00:11 Shiirn: moved 1 up by 1 pixel
00:11 Hobbes2: 4 and 5 prob need to be moved down by 1 too
00:12 Hobbes2: that actually fixes it perfectly
00:12 Shiirn: god fuck you
00:13 Hobbes2: i was just fucking around i dont care about stuff like that lol
00:13 Hobbes2: uh yeah rest is fine
00:13 Hobbes2: id be ok with this top diff is nice
00:13 Hobbes2: ill pm mir and talk to him about his diff sometime and just forum mod the rest
00:13 Shiirn: ok
00:14 Hobbes2: :ok_hand: